San Angelo City Council 2-21-23

[0:00:00] speak and as usual we start with our chaplain prayer and we have police chaplain art mavrode here today to help us start the meeting with a prayer and I hope you'll help us with the pledges following the prayer thank you let's pray Almighty Living God we pray for wisdom for strength for courage to do what is right and good for all citizens may we put the interest of others above our own may we act with love for the common good maybe may we be good neighbors recognizing your image and every person here we thank you again for this Council our mayor our city staff our First Responders our Hospital staff and all those who work to make this place we call home such a wonderful City in the name of Jesus who whose perfect love sets us free from all of our fears amen to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all indivisible thank you art we will now open the meeting for uh there are no proclamations let me say that first and now we move into public comment and issues or concerns not on the regular agenda may be raised by the public at this time citizens should speak from the podium address all comments to the Diaz Begin by stating their name and address or single member district number and limit their remarks

[0:02:03] to less than three minutes do we have anyone in the audience today who would like to come forward and make public comment going once going twice sold public comment is now over we will move into the consent agenda Larry do you have an item to pull from consent Karen Lucy e I'm going to pull d Harry no ma'am Tom no ma'am Tommy no ma'am all right may I have a motion to approve the consent agenda with the exception of items D and E so moved by Karen seconded by Lucy any public comment concerning the consent agenda and the items with the exception of items D and E seeing none will take a vote all those in favor of approving the consent agenda with the exception of items d and e please say aye aye hearing No No's the consent agenda is approved we will move to item D consider approving the tax increment reinvestment Zone tiers incentive funding for seven private projects in the north tiers area for the properties located at 2600 MLK Drive 901 903-905-909-1000 and 2626 North Chadbourne totaling 477 846 and three private projects in the South tiers area for the properties located at 402 West Beauregard 213 and 215 South chadburn and 109 South Chadbourne tolling 199 141 and authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute all necessary documents you're on John um well at first I'd ask if you have any questions or I have a brief presentation I'd like a presentation thank you oh and

[0:04:07] that's not it to the rescue [Music] I feel like I could actually just kind of go down the list and start describing the projects or if you pictures we do have a few hopefully waiting for him to load up well they're looking for it yeah okay well I think we had some pictures documents so I guess anybody here Amadeus can pull up on their if you brought your computer you can pull them up if you didn't then we'll wait yes I know on ours I know there are

[0:06:12] another option I I could help them find that maybe if you go on to item e and then we could come back to D after that okay let's hold off on item D we'll go to item e which is the second reading of an ordinance amending the budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1 2022 and ending September 30th 2023 for an additional full-time Parks position for the purpose of Maintenance activities within the tax increment investment zones and capital expenses Tina you're on thank you mayor Tina deschi Director of Finance this was the second reading of the budget amendment that amended the tiers fund to fund the the Personnel to uh clean up the chadburn corridor and things like that and then the second one was for the PFC applications out of the PFC fund um I just wanted to go ahead and finish the second reading I was against it from the beginning so I wanted the record to show that I was still voting against it okay with that do I have any other questions or comments from anyone on Council then may I have a motion for approval move to a previous presentation thank you second by Harry any public comment seeing none will take a vote all those in favor of approving item e please say aye with none opposed Motion One opposed motion passes six to one we will try going back to item d John you want to come back up or are you back in the back foreign it's a big foul I think the pictures are

[0:08:19] big and so that's what may be causing part of the issue again we could possibly move on and maybe take it later in the meeting if that works for you all and see if we can get that resolved all right we will come back to item D in a few minutes I hope it loads is it loading now the question mark is if it's repairing is it repairing all presentations or simply the presentation of item d that's what we need an answer to because there's no reason to move forward if it's holding up all presentations Ryan's asking that we moved to something else for the time being while they work on uploading that other person it's only holding up the one presentation not the everybody's presence it's like the dmo's presentation is loaded okay all right so what we will do is move into the regular

[0:10:21] agenda comments regarding items on the regular agenda may be made by the public when each item is discussed is outlined above applicants proponents and appellants are exempt from the time limit above and instead must limit their remarks to less than five minutes item a is the presentation of the destination marketing organization's quarterly report and Chamber of Commerce president CEO Walt conning is here to present thanks mayor Gunter good morning Council people and good morning everyone else it's my pleasure this morning to talk a little bit about what we did in 2022 at the DMO and what our plans are for 2023 as they're unfolding green button right we saw some interesting Trends emerge in 2022 which were anticipated um we have seen a pullback in business travel generally across the United States in the post-covet economy and we have been to some degree affected by that pullback here in terms of our hotel bookings in 2022 I will say however though in 2022 we had 67 planned events and right now where we sit in q1 of 23 we have 74. so we do see some positive trending in terms of bookings into 2023. just to give you an overview of some of the bookings that we saw last year some were repeats and we take the repeats very seriously because we want to make sure that all the people who come to visit our community whether they've been here before for an event or coming for a new event have an excellent experience and continue to come back if we look at the tattoo convention that's a good news story and that they had one event now is two events and they're continuing to grow those so that's a good one and if you look at those in Amber those were new ones for 2022 and some of them were quite unique and Innovative including the windmill School Mooney aircraft clinic and some

[0:12:24] others so it was a recovery year in 2022 and we did have some good new events that we saw as a result Visitor Center continues to be a big draw we did have growing numbers visitors at the visitors center in 2022 we had over 2000 from Texas about 1600 from other states International is still a bit small but we will see an uptick in that from Italy as my wife's family is going to be coming this summer so we'll see some diversity in the international with a total of three eight six nine um but talk a little bit about the visitor center and some plans we have for that into 2023 a little bit later in my presentation we did a lot of earned media in 2022 we did we were featured in 23 online public Publications uh YouTube bloggers and Texas kind of Country Reporter uh so we did have a good showing in terms of earned media some of that earned media resulted in us again being named the number one true Western City in the nation through West magazine our print and digital advertising spanned a lot of different Publications we were heavy on print media but we did a lot on Virtual as well we've really focused on Texas and Texas Travel market and I'm going to talk a little bit about that when we talk about some of our statistics we also marketed to the shoulder states to capture that important Drive Market our public relations efforts yielded a lot of distinctions and designations in 2022 as I mentioned before we were ranked number one through western town in 2022 following a number two rating in 2021 we hosted the wine tent in San Angelo Stock Show and Rodeo we did Rebrand the organization you can see the new branding on the lower right hand corner of the slide and we've received multiple

[0:14:29] advertising grants from travel Texas in the office of the governor Economic Development and travel and tourism through arpa funds I'll continue on there I won't read all these but we did have a great year in 2022 in terms of our public relations efforts I would like to point out our Howard College on Hospitality management certification work began in 22 and will continue into 2023 and I'll talk a little bit more about that when I talk about our 2023 objectives social media we saw some ramp up in social media in 2022 we did launch our brand new website and if you haven't visited it we encourage you to do so it's quite popular very easy to use very well received with 375 000 page views for a new website those are pretty impressive numbers if we look at the others across all the platforms we saw growth in terms of followers and viewers in 2022. we look at our occupancy rate and daily average daily rate we see kind of a mixed story of what we saw if we looked at 2021 versus 2022 it's virtually flat in fact a little bit back in terms of occupancy rate but we did see a significant appreciation in terms of the average daily rate and so that I see is a positive development if we look at where we launched into 2023 we started the year strong with strong gains on both the average occupancy and the average daily rate as we move through January and into February look at our plans for 2023 obviously we've got a lot of interesting things going on at the DMO with some staff changes and some recruitment efforts which I'll touch on at the end of my presentation but we were named in the top 10 Western towns by true West magazine for the fifth year in a row this time we came in 10th why we moved from first to Tenth as anybody's guess I don't see any ground

[0:16:33] truth in either the winning Community or us that would change us that dramatically my suspicion is there's probably some process or politics behind some of that but we're still in the top ten and we're still very proud of that designation we run an ad in the tech in this year in that magazine yeah because I understand that impacted our ability to get back and get number one again because we didn't run an ad funny thing about earned media is it's not always earned it's sometimes bought and paid for through other means and I suspect that was part of what happened here still landed in the top ten there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of communities that competed so we are going to work real hard to continue to improve in that area I wanted to touch on one small success story that's emergent we are a film friendly Community we have had the revolution Film Festival it'll be the fourth year in 2023 and we do have some Film Production going on in San Angelo right now one of the winners of the Revolution film festival in 2023 is actually producing a film here and that's going to put us on the map in some respects with respect to film and I think that that's an important growth opportunity for us in 2023 and Beyond attracting those kinds of activities they put a lot of heads in beds and they're very very important for our popularity our publicity there we go we will be resuming our good fellow newcomer tours in 2023 actually starting in April we have had a Hiatus there due to covet and other reasons but we're really happy to begin establishing those critical linkages between ourselves and

[0:18:34] those who are serving our country at Goodfellows to bring them back into town and to get them familiar with what's going on there I'll also note that I personally go every month to greet the newcomers on behalf of the cities and chamber and DMO to make sure they feel welcome and feel able to come to town and enjoy their stay here our Marketing in 2023 will again be Reliant a lot on print media very similar to 2022 and we will be working with true West magazine in order to continue to have that designation going forward I will say with respect to our print media advertising we have done a top to bottom assessment of all of our ads I've looked at every ad that we've placed over the last five years in order to tighten up the quality of the ads to standardize on the format for The Branding strength and to make sure that going forward we have the best possible quality of the ads we did find some issues with respect to some of the ads primarily where we took big ads and made them small and we lost some of the pictures as a result and we've come up with a new set of standards for our advertising going forward which will eliminate that problem we're going to go with standard color standard fonts standard layout and varying the photography and presentation to to the specific messages that we're trying to send within the publication of questions so it's we're making some progress there we're going to continue to work with as I said travel Texas and others in order to get the word out and we are going to be focusing again on the Texas Drive market and the shoulder States is a primary focus but we are working to develop our International markets we will be going to conferences in Mexico and Canada to promote San Angelo as a travel destination some in conjunction with travel Texas and that

[0:20:36] way we can use the Texas Brand to draw people into San Angelo for visits we've gone to Texas I mean to Mexico and Canada before and have not had good results so why are we going back to Mexico and Canada again because we haven't seemed to be able to pull from there well we think that in the post-covered situation I think we we had some disadvantage particularly with international travel during covid we want to see what the post-coveted world looks like from International standpoint San Angelo's gotten very popular internationally on the economic development front as well we think it's worth the effort and expense to try it again if it doesn't work well we will reassess that in the future who are we reaching out to in Canada and Mexico that we think would be able to bring primary audience of these events are Travel Planners and event planners our Unity dinner we just had last week went very well and for those of you don't know uh Unity dinners an annual event put on that put on by travel the Texas Travel industry to bring elected officials together with tribal Professionals in order to get positive relationships built for future legislative action and to just generally put the travel and tourism industry on the map from the perspective of our elected officials it was a good event we appreciate all those from the electeds who participated and we look forward to continuing to work on that in 2023 I want to talk a little bit about some new services that we've incorporated into the DMO Arsenal it's a way that it's a set of programs that we use to further understand and better understand our metrics who's visiting our community how long they're staying what their demographics look like and what the trending looks like from previous years into the current year we are using a

[0:22:40] program called datify it uses geo location data to identify how many people are in a given location during a given time period and everything about them that is available is also available through this service so we have begun to use this and we have some I think pretty interesting results to look at as a result we will continue to use data Phi through the year assessing its quality and the effectiveness of the information it's providing but what this program can allow us to do is to ring fence a specific location during a specific time frame and look at who went there so we're looking at Christmas at Fort Concho we're looking at the Christmas parade we're looking at Stock Show we're looking at other big events to try to understand who's coming and what they look like in terms of their demographics this is just a single report it's a high level report and it's selected as such for this meeting because I wanted to give you some ideas on what this is going to start giving us in terms of metrics if we looked at 2022 in its totality if we look at total trips we're up 8.4 percent over 2021 so those are out of town visitors coming to our communities up 8.4 percent our visitor days are almost 6 million visitor days and that's a 4.1 percent over 2021 so we see some positive moves there that aren't necessarily reflected in the hotel occupancy rates and the reason for that is because we're seeing the average length of stay drop 4.5 percent so people are coming as more day trippers and our unique visitors I think is very encouraging in that these are people these are unique visits so this means an individual who has visited our community counts in this metric so there's five million I'm sorry 2 million total trips

[0:24:43] 5 million visitor days and 1 million unique visitors and that's up 23 percent describe again what a unique visitor is a unique visitor is an individual who comes to our community within that time period in this case a calendar year so one person one visit or days is how long they stay in aggregate total trips is how many trips are made so unique visitors are individuals who come to our town during that time period they don't count twice they count once you look at the demographics it's not particularly surprising we're very strong on the 45 to 64 year old in age and that's held pretty steady if we look from 21 to 22 second biggest age group is 25 to 44. it's almost the same if you're not a huge statistical difference between those two and if you look at those as an aggregate that's somewhere around 60 percent are 25 to 64. and that again is held pretty constant year over year if we look at income by far the largest is in the 50k and less category so a relatively modest incomes or median incomes are seen there with the second largest income category being the 100K plus so it's kind of a bimodal distribution where we have average income and some higher income is the primary participants in those demographics and that's held pretty steady year over year how does the World of Sports impact all these numbers that we're seeing because you would when we talk about single days are we talking about people coming to see a Central High School football game so they're traveling from wherever to here see their son or basically an 80 mile radius and if it comes from outside that within a given day it counts as a visit we can set that and change that but that's kind of what we picked it has a big Impact Sports have a big impact

[0:26:46] and I think when you look at the family size household size you know you can kind of probably pick out the three to five is probably that kind of family day trip for a sports event for a kid so yeah it's a big part and uh what we're seeing again is a lot of them don't spend nights but they do come and spend money so we do like to see them visit so it's an interesting interesting set of data education level high schools primary ethnicity white is primary and that's pretty robust year over year so we can we're going to continue to look at these numbers and we can take these same kind of metrics and more and look at much more specific areas than the city in general so we can look at what's going into Shannon hospital or Miss Hattie's restaurant or whatever and we can determine what kind of draws those various businesses have who's going there what their age group is what their relative income level are and we can use this for two purposes one is to assess our effectiveness of our marketing efforts and two is to understand where our market trends are going so that we can further Target those key market segments or pick up some of the market segments where we may be lagging behind in terms of some focused attention so we're big metrics people we want to make sure we're measuring the effectiveness of every public fund dollar that we spend and this set of tools will give us the ability to do that in ways we've never had before since you're planning on trips to Canada and Mexico where do we see statistics that say Canadians and people from Mexico are coming to visit San Angelo that would justify those trips I don't have that for you now but it's certainly searchable using the services that we have we can look at the international load and where they're coming from which don't have that for you today but I assure you we will be watching that for the effectiveness of these campaigns and again how does how do we make a decision about Mexico and

[0:28:48] Canada versus for example Colorado California Arkansas in terms of who's coming here in both cases we're piggybacking on travel Texas so we get a substantial cost benefit in terms of sharing those costs with those events with those with that entity and to go as an independent entity to some of these larger States is a considerably larger investment not one that we wouldn't necessarily make but we are afforded this opportunity we're taking it for this year so far and we'll be watching those numbers very carefully now that we can do that we have had some good meetings already this quarter and we have some in the pipeline as I said before we have 74 meetings on the book so far and that's as opposed to 60 in total in 2020 two so we are making progress there and we are continuing to see that pipeline build and we're working hard obviously to get that number back to where it was pre-covered and we are in all honesty off from our numbers pre-covered but we are moving and trending back towards those though the mix is looking a little different we're going to be reimagining our Visitor Center I'm very excited about this set of projects I think it's overdue we will be resuming the sale of merchandise at the at The Visitor Center at the chamber um in April yeah April 23 we'll be focusing on locally produced products and other branded San Angelo merchandise I think this is something that we've been missing there's not a great place to buy this kind of stuff in San Angelo all at one place so we'll be providing that as part of this upgrade we're also going to be looking at doing a redecoration of The Visitor Center to include locally produced mural we're going to have a mural competition where

[0:30:50] we're going to actually have artists compete to do the mural on the back wall I think it'll really refresh the place and give our local artists a good boost also leverage our Visual Arts Capital status through a lot of publicity that we'll do around that we're going to be looking at doing a whole series of new displays that focus and highlight our various key institutions in town including Goodfellow Air Force Base ASU Howard College Shannon Health and others so we want to make sure that our Visitor Center isn't just brochure racks we want to make sure that the visitor center really highlights all the great institutions that make San Angelo a great place to visit it's a visitor center open on Sundays it is yeah it will continue to be open on Sundays the hours I think I think it's ten to four if I'm not mistaken but yeah we will be open on Sunday as we have been we're also going to do City events we're going to have a artist of the quarter so we're going to have some draw of that you know of of the of the uh of the local citizens into the into the visitor center uh in order to have them have the ability and the opportunity to use that phenomenal facility and get some education themselves in terms of what's great going on so they can go past the word to visitors who come to our town as ambassadors so it's going to be very very exciting I've always seen that facility as being a huge asset to our community and we're going to work very hard to make sure it optimizes its potential in 2023. it's time to train our Hospitality folks um I had an experience and we've shared this where I was picking up my luggage at the airport and I was overhearing the the counter host at the Avis Rent-A-Car and he said he was asked where's a good place to go to eat in town his response was we really don't have any great

[0:32:51] restaurants here um I immediately stepped in uh and helped that visitor but that points out with our relatively Dynamic Hospitality staff here in town a lot of people come in from out of town a lot of people take the jobs they don't know what's going on in San Angelo and they're not able to communicate that as a result so we're going to have a campaign where we start reaching out to our hoteliers restaurant tours and others and offer training to their folks in terms of what's going on in San Angelo what the great tourist locations are so that they can start passing that on and at the same time we're going to continue our work with Howard College on a training and certification program for Hospitality professionals I guess that's me just ignore it so it's important that we always put our best foot forward with respect to how we interact with our visitors at all levels and we're going to focus on that are we making sure that we use the earned media information that we have for educational purposes yes ma'am yeah I think that our earned media is one of our best credentials and our best qualifiers as a visiting place and we're certainly want to take fullest advantage of the great designations that we've achieved through that process does that mean we're going to have postcard or something that people can give to people or how are we how are we doing that because the turnover is high in those industries that you just talked about so you can do a training class but one month later somebody's news it's an ongoing process we'll have appropriate collaterals to leave behind and put in key locations we do have rack cars that we do distribute we've distributed 180 000 through not only Texas but the shoulder States in 2022 we will use a similar concept up to date with the latest and greatest visit locations to not only have for local distribution but for regional and shoulder State marketing efforts and I just want to bring you up to speed

[0:34:56] quickly with our recruitment process for the new VP of the DMO um I want to say right up front we're about two months into it Diane left at the end of 2022. um we have established a search committee um and we will be working with that committee to make the best choice possible for the city the search committee uh has representatives from all key constituencies uh on board so that we get a voice from them as key users of the services of the DMO as far as what the leadership of the DMO should look like this includes restaurants hotels safe pack Museum of Fine Arts and and many others so it's going to be a collaborative effort the selection will be informed through that effort and I'm very pleased with a level of response that we're getting from the market in terms of candidates we've got a great internal candidate we have some external candidates that we'll be looking at I'll be cutting off the application process at the end of February we'll begin the narrowing down process early in March and start the formal interview process probably toward mid to end of March we'd like to get this position filled but I assure you were going to be very deliberate and make sure that we get the best fit and the best possible person for this position so I'm pleased with how that's going I'm anxious to get it done being acting dmos a lot of pressure but I have learned a ton and I'm very honored to be working with a great staff of people who are very passionate about doing a great job here so with that I'll leave it up to your questions talk to me about the social media growth their the numbers that you reflected how does that relate to the previous year so is it more than less than how do we evaluate that yeah we've seen positive trending and I probably could have engineered that slide better to show that but across all of our media platforms we've seen positive growth and

[0:37:00] I've been particularly impressed with the growth we've seen with respect to the new website those numbers have been quite quite strong in terms of visits and in terms of all the other metrics associated with the website so I can I can follow up and I will in subsequent meetings with more Precision around those trending data for social media and uh should have done that this time apologize for that on your print media which I'm a print media person talk to me about the effectiveness of the ads for example in Texas highways which I think is one of the best magazines out there so are we getting good response from Texas monthly Texas highways where are we getting the best response in print media you know it's it's a little bit hard to attach marketing effort to result uh directly but what I can tell you is that those are primarily Drive Market Publications and what we've seen as a kind of Highline is as we saw in the statistics that we now have Drive is high day stairs are high higher and by significant margins and so one could surmise that the print media there had a positive effect there and I think that's pretty robust and we're going to continue to look at our spend in those areas with respect to the specific numbers we see coming and we're going to establish more correlations there and we'll make those investment decisions accordingly because it is called the destination marketing organization today at what percent of the total budget is being spent on actual marketing um as it sounds right now it's about 50 percent give or take but that's that's that's right about where we're at with respect to marketing spend versus staff and overhead is that up or down well with the with the pullback of the budget it kind of depends on how we are bonused we have as you will recall three bonusing periods for sixty thousand

[0:39:02] dollars uh over the course of the year um I'm anticipating that we'll earn those budgets and if that's the case then we will be growing our spend in terms of the marketing versus overhead if we don't we'll be right where I told you we are because with it I'm just destination marketing organization I want to make sure the focus and a large percent of the budget is actually into marketing very important and we certainly have maintained a consistency of that over my period of time here and we will strive to continue to maintain that consistent mix of of of budgetary priorities I think going to conventions is nice question mark is what is the productivity of conventions and making sure that the dollar spent produced results in terms of people coming and staying in our hotels because it's hot tax money paying for it all so we need the growth in hotel stays to continue to grow because if our budgets start to decrease because of a diminishing hot tax money that impacts everyone no absolutely the case we're very uh aware of that we watched the star reports we now get them weekly just to be able to further get those metrics in front of us so we can track that with more precision and more frequency um we're with you in terms of those priorities and we will be running our program in 2023 in consistency with what you're saying no we changed the name the reality is convention Business Bureau is the focus of hot tax money and we need that to continue to grow it is and one of the things that it was encouraging is we're seeing average daily rate going up and that will contribute proportionally to the hot tax in a different way we'd like to see the occupancy up and we're continuing to to monitor what that looks like Drive Market is encouraging and it's what we anticipated when we got into the covid pandemic we figured that was our way out in terms of recovery is to drive push the drive Market because that's the easiest one to recapture I think we've done a good job there

[0:41:04] clearly we have to work to make up the deficits we're seeing through a reduction in business travel with more leisure travel and that's where you're seeing the Investments being made the question is Tom so Walt and you may not have this answer ready today and if it's not that's fine so the data data file that you're using that data set as far as working on geofencing how quick can you set up a geofence for an event so do you pretty so like if somebody called you today and said hey there's an event going on next week or Thursday do you have the ability to set that up locally or do you have to call and have somebody set it up how quick can we do a Geo fencing analysis on datify there's a number of points of interest already set up in the system so the likelihood that you we would need one off the fly is next to zero if there is a new point of interest that comes up it's a matter of us feeding that in from those Geo locations to the company and they could get them set up rather rapidly right so the dashboard is somewhere else you just send them the metrics you want and they work the dashboard correct okay cool nice and so here's where I'm going with that there's events that go on and there's people here in Private Industry that would love to have those metrics you have the ability to provide those and you could probably charge for those too if it was a reasonable fee and those people looked at I was just trying to see if that was a way for you to help justify and pay that because there's many individual events that we would like to know did that pay for itself or did it not and even the people that put it on I mean there's events at the lake the rodeo ground not specifically stockstrone Rodeo but there are several individual events and if you could dial it tight enough with those Geo fences down to a mile radius or whatever it'd be interesting to see that data I think that's an awesome idea one we'll certainly explore we are working to understand the full capabilities of the system and the and the and the investment we're making we have 585 points of interest identified within San

[0:43:09] Angelo already so we went pretty aggressive in terms of getting everything possible we could in there we can also do Geographic multiple site kinds of analysis you sub-categorize them for example I'll say all sports events over here or lake events over here or we can we can look at the big categories so you see the impact not of a single event but the combination of all those events in that category because things like weather can impact one event versus another so the categories would seem to be very important if it's if it's tied to a physical location and most sports events are tied to a physical location be it the sports fields or be it at the rodeo or wherever we can look at that geofenced area during any time period or any aggregation of time periods and see who was there and what their demographics look like so it's it's a very powerful tool and we are already working on some projects as a kind of getting used to doing those for a number of different entities in town already I think your idea of charging some modest cost recovery there for the value of that data is something worthy of analysis and I think probably very very probable that we we could look at doing that you know geofence planes Pub we're good all right well I'm not say that again that was kind of mumbling through the microphone I don't think he wanted us to hear that geofence Blaine's Pub we're all good just to be clear just to be clear yeah it's uh I'm not I'm not a huge fan of the technology but if it's available I'm going to use it and I think we will see we're going to understand our Market here better than we've ever ever understood it and that's really really important to connect those dots that we're talking about between investment and result and that's what we're really all about we will make sure every public dollar that's spent is spent wisely and effectively towards the Fulfillment of our mission and I assure you we're going to continue to work on that and I look forward to a future quarterly presentations to tell you how we're doing and make ourselves

[0:45:13] accountable to you all uh in terms of the Investments we're making on behalf of our community it's one of the single largest organizations that we fund so we need to make sure that it justifies the expense we invite the scrutiny and we appreciate the partnership we appreciate the support and we're really looking forward to an awesome 2023 so thank you all so much for your service and we're always at your disposal at the Chamber of Commerce any other questions before I move on all right thank you well we will now move into Item B consider resolution of General support for construction of affordable housing project as part of oh okay so we will stop and go back to the tiers presentation thank you John James director planning and development services I'll go through this quickly this is just a list of all the projects but I've got slides for each one and then I'll have this summary again at the end but this just shows all of the projects and these are in the north tiers uh the requested funding amount and then the recommended funding amount so the first project is a 20 26 26 North chadburn they requested seventy five thousand dollars in funding after reviewing the request only 72 681 were eligible expenses and given that they're required to do a 10 percent match that meant that their recommended incentive was 65 000. that's for facade improvements Paving Fire Systems fee reductions secondary egress as well as asbestos abatement this is a picture uh the before of what it looks like now and then the after it's proposed for a new donutopia there on the north side feel free to stop me if you have questions about any of these but I'll just kind of go through them quickly uh we need geofence that and see if how much Tom goes there

[0:47:15] [Laughter] laughs this next item is 1000 North chadburn requested 59 000 with their 5900 match uh the recommended incentive award is 58 000. this one's for Paving facade improvements landscaping and screening and you can see some pictures here it's um of what it looks like now and then the proposal is for a new building as well as some fencing and screening of that where's the Landscaping outdoor storage it doesn't show here but they'll they'll provide more details on the Landscaping as part of the project that's something that we typically we require Landscaping if we do parking lots yes we would typically do that yeah and in this case they have proposed Landscaping we just don't have the the renderings of it here and now these next four are all in the 900 block of North chadburn it's a shopping center and so each of the four separate business slots within the shopping center are requesting funding um and so I won't read through all the numbers here but uh basically all of them are in the neighborhood of 75 000 a couple of them are less than that the ones on the end each end of the building are including facade improvements on the sides and so theirs are a little more expensive than the two interior slots but again it's mostly facade Improvement and Landscaping installation so not 01 903 907 and then 909 so as you can see here the shopping center uh you know with four individual spaces there and you can see the side of the building that's what it looks like today it doesn't show up real well but it's includes some rock facade and basically

[0:49:17] facade improvements to to improve the the exterior appearance of the building and you can see here it's a little hard to see again but the The Rock on the bottom and then redoing the top with like a stucco top finish on the top that's the side of the building and we have two okay so two things one are there businesses that we know are going to go into these at works cited to see that strip oh I guess you would call it redone it's um it's exciting to see someone's going to take that Adventure on are they doing it without knowing who's going to go into those separate entities or we're redoing it and then hoping someone signs a lease their their narrative description in their application does not say whether or not they have identified tenants we encourage the applicants to be here I don't know if any of them are here today um they may be able to answer that but they did not give us that information and then because there is Art on the building what happens to the art that's a good question that at this point I don't know given the renderings that they showed I would suspect that that would be covered up but know that for sure but but based on the drawings they submitted they would be adding Rock You Know along the bottom and then refinishing the top so they may have plans to replace that art with you know redo it or do something different but that was not part of their application well it's exciting to see someone taking this project on I'm I'm really excited about it that's great good this next one is 2600 MLK requested 66 000. um for outside storage Paving and facade work and again you can see here this it's

[0:51:22] kind of a storage yard and they're wanting to improve that with some fencing improvements to the building as well this sort of metal R panel type fencing would screen all of that outdoor storage that is something that we've talked to a few businesses on the North side and what came out of our town hall meetings as well as some of our staff drive around in that area we identified screening of some of that outdoor storage as a high priority item that could really improve the appearance of the area because there are a lot of open lots that either don't have fencing or they have chain link fencing and so all of that stuff that's stored on the side is is very visible and and is not always as attractive as it could be and so some screening of that with opaque fencing is helpful and so it's good to see we've got two or three applicants that are proposing to do that so this is back again to the summary I'll note that that we did have a project for 1720 MLK that was for a church as you may recall the policy currently allows a non-profit organization to apply for funding which they did the policy also requires a three-quarters majority vote of the entire board as well as the entire Council um that tears board only has not or they have non-members at the meeting there were only seven present and this church proposal got six votes so it was a six one vote however to hit that three-quarters majority of the entire board it required seven votes when does it go back to the board to exclude non-profits uh that will be at their meeting uh it was actually on their schedule for this past meeting but their meeting went long and we had members had to leave so they didn't get to that Autumn they've carried it over to their to their February meeting so uh that'll be here I think next a week from today I believe uh and so they'll be taking that up um I think this Council believes

[0:53:24] strongly that nonprofits should not have the right to apply if you don't put money in you don't get to take money out now just just so you're aware this um they are reconsidering this at their next meeting hopefully with a full board to see if it would get sufficient votes you always have the ability to deny it based on on what you just said but because they did apply when nonprofits were eligible it will still have to go through the entire process but that is not before you today and then we had three projects in the South tiers and I'll go through each of those the first one is 109 South chadburn they requested 75 000 and the recommended incentive was 75 000 the full amount for facade improvements fire system egress as well as historic preservation it had been approved for fire sprinkler in 2022 and so this is basically coming back to kind of finish the project largely with the exterior work to the building have they gotten the the because they've been ready to open for a while right and then the fire sprinkler system is at the building that they haven't been able to open because that we didn't have the fire sprinkler system no they actually received funding last year for the fire sprinkler I'm not sure if they've completed that or not but they have already been approved that funding and so this is based primarily the exterior facade they had requested both last year uh given the limited amount of funding in the South the board recommended in fact at the meeting they asked the applicant if we can only fund the fire sprinkler or the facade which would you prefer and they said the fire sprinklers and so that's what was approved last year and so this year they've come back for the exterior facade improvements and so that's what's before you today and so is there any way we would open them up without because there's some missing thing with the fire system that has not

[0:55:29] allowed them to open their doors for business I'm actually not aware of that what might be holding them up but presumably this will finish out the project that they've proposed to tears and so hopefully that would get them everything they need to be ready to open and again this is the what the exterior would look like after the renovation the next one is 213 and 215 South chadburn requesting 75 000 however this was another one that the eligible costs were only 65 000 and then in the South it's a required 25 percent match resulting in a total Award of 49 000. I'll just note for your benefit and for any applicants that may be listening um only eligible expenses can be requested and so we had some projects where they would request as part of their project you know Plumbing work and electrical work and stuff inside the building that's just not eligible so that has to be subtracted out because it's it's not eligible per our policy this one is also for fire system asbestos abatement and secondary egress just a note on secondary egress that basically means a lot of these downtown buildings don't have a secondary access like out the back of the building for to meet the fire code and so building that secondary access is an eligible expense most most interior improvements like that aren't eligible but fire sprinklers and secondary egress are two examples of interior improvements that are eligible expenses nope this is the building again that's the exterior but in this case they're not really proposing anything on the exterior it's it's all that interior work for the fire sprinklers Asbestos and the secondary egress and then the last project here is 402 West Beauregard they've requested 75 000 and the total project cost is 250 000 uh

[0:57:34] the recommended incentive was the full amount they've requested for facade improvements Landscaping fire system and asbestos abatement this is the hotel there on Beauregard what will be the is it the same hotel that current owned it or has it sold to somebody new or what's it going to open what's the flag that's going to fly I I'm not sure it has sold and so when they applied in the past they they were using the name Hotel angoria I don't know if that's still the name uh or if it has an affiliation but it is under new ownership you'll note that in your packet it indicates that the previous owners owed outstanding Hotel occupancy taxes that was not paid as part of the sale of the property and so that burden does extend to the new owners and so as noted in your packet we will not be able to move forward with the agreement with them and then move forward with the project until that issue is resolved just to make sure they have to be current on their hotel motel tax before they receive tiers funding that's correct now that doesn't hold the you off on approving it today because we'll hold off on issuing them a letter to proceed until that's resolved but I just wanted to make sure you were aware of that this it could delay this project until they get that issue resolved this is kind of a rendering of what it will look like afterwards where do you find those pictures of those cars yeah this is from the applicant so I'm not sure where where they got that but you can see it is making some information we don't need to use car lot and it will have this pool area in front that's that's right here with some landscaping and then you can see the trees Landscaping along the front of the building as well as well as all the facade improvements so again that's a summary of the tier South I will note that the recommended

[0:59:39] total funding for the south is 199. there's currently 265 available so that if you approve all these as recommended by the board there will be about 66 000 remaining for future projects so we will have another cycle coming up in a couple of months we do know there are some projects already in fact we had some applications for projects that had to be rejected because they did not yet have the dhrc approval that's required so we know that there's at least two or three projects that we'll be resubmitting for that but as in the past there likely will be more requests for funding than there is funding available with that I'd be happy to answer any questions any further questions from Council we're all excited about the uh the way the north is now jumping on this and I think it reflects reflects very well on the future I wasn't going to bring this up except the subject was broached in terms of the tears but I would wish that there would be a component addressing ADA requirements on the application I know of at least one of these facilities that has a relatively severe problem with with Ada that can be solved very quickly but I wish it could be part of the application on those areas that are are being affected by the the request I mean I'm I'm certain based on the fact that some of these buildings are 75 years old that there's internal problems sides of bathrooms and a whole Litany of things but as long as their requests for Tears has nothing to do with that you know what I mean I don't see the sense in jumping in on a 75 year old building and saying well you better tear down the bathrooms because they're not big enough that's I think to be addressed in another another way yeah and that's typically how we would treat it but if they are touching it then through our typically through the building permit process they have to indicate how they're bringing it into

[1:01:43] compliance but if it's an element that they're not touching then typically they wouldn't have to now I will say that there have been projects in the past um that the tears board has recommended additional improvements so for example we had one on the North side two or three years ago they had not planned on doing any sidewalk work and they had not asked for the full amount and so the board said hey we'll add you know ten or fifteen thousand dollars to your award if you'll repair the sidewalk and create the Ada curb ramps and all of that so that is something we try to look at but it's probably something we'll be doing more so in the future thank you any other questions yes Harry since I've been on this particular Council traditionally the South zone is doesn't have near as much money and I'm wondering if there's a way to extend the South zone or bring more businesses in or whatever that needs to do to increase that amount of dollars that we've got in the South Zone well the number one thing is is um the number of buildings that go from tax paying people to non-profit status that's our biggest Hiccup and you the more that happens and it's been happening a lot the more it impacts this funding so that's number one you probably recall just a couple meetings ago this Council asked us to take to the board moving looking at moving the north-south boundary and that's also going to the board later this month and so that would add at least some uh actually that's going to take some out of the South and put it in the north so it doesn't address your concern no it doesn't it takes money from the north to put in the south right right it gives more money to some of those South areas but it it we struggle all the time now with the South tier Zone and I just I'm just looking at if there are ways that

[1:03:49] we can add more businesses to that zone to increase some of the funding now I also know that a good number of those buildings in the South Zone are utilizing what we've got because they are not in good repair so here's what I'm going to ask you to do Harry buy a building open up a business that'll help thank you any other further questions or comments I just want I'm really glad to hear that these north side business people are actually coming and applying for the funds and I hope they continue to do so I think what we'll want to do later on this spring season is have another town hall meeting because I think having the ability to showcase um these projects might entice other people to look at their property and do it so I think we need to continue with the town hall meetings we need to continue with walking door to door we need to make sure that the pamphlet that we talked about is in Spanish so people understand it those things are all things we committed to in the town hall meetings and I want to make sure that we continue with that and don't just stop because another year came and went so that that process has to continue okay thank you so may I have a motion to approve item D Lucy made a motion to approve item D second by Karen any public comment see none will take a vote all those in favor say aye with an unopposed motion passes seven to zero we will now move into Item B consider a resolution of General support for construction of affordable housing projects as part of the 2023 annual low income housing tax

[1:05:52] credit or the LI HTC program for the project Roosevelt Lofts by OPG Roosevelt Lofts Partners LLC who is um going is here with us today April engstrom is here today and Dev Velasquez is also here today so um Bobby you're on I guess good morning Council um now we usually have several tax credit projects vying for uh Council support and the form of forms of resolutions but this year we only have one it is the proposed project by OPG Roosevelt lost Partners LLC and the name of the project is Roosevelt Lofts located at 50 North chadburn and of course as you all know that the city's resolution support to a resolution carries a lot of weight in the State scoring system so we certainly want to support some similar projects anyway we have um Miss April engstrom from the company this year to give you a short presentation and should be glad to answer and have your questions thank you April all hi thank you for having me this morning um so I'm here to talk today about Roosevelt Lofts which I'm feeling pretty excited about um but first I wanted to talk about Overland Property Group our firm uh first to give you some background so Overland property group was founded in Salina Kansas about 20 years ago okay so it'll be 21 years this year and since we've branched out from Kansas into Colorado you know Oklahoma Missouri but our largest footprint is actually in Texas so this is where we spend most of our time and development efforts uh we really like to keep everything

[1:07:54] kind of In-House so we manage every step of the process from site selection all the way to you know working the budget submitting the applications for funding working with our lenders and investors to close on debt and equity and then we oversee construction and work with our management company we have an in-house Asset Management division who oversees our third party management company just to ensure that everything is always running really well we like to run a tight ship um and so it's it's part of our business model to um you know develop these buildings and communities and then to keep them so we're not just developing to sell to make a quick buck when we come to town we want to establish a working relationship with a city a friendly relationship with a city it's important to us because we want to be here we plan to be in these cities for the next 30 40 years you know we don't um we don't develop to sell we've won some awards for our work over the last 20 years some of which have actually been in our historic preservation work so we specialize in housing tax credits but starting in 2015 we started working on historic Rehabilitation so that has you working with housing tax credits historic federal and state tax credits and I just wanted to run through some of our completed historic deals we have four that are up and running at this point we have two that are under construction and then a couple other that are in the preliminary stages pre-development stages uh so this is Landmark at Lamar in Wichita Falls Texas this is actually in there downtown as well um it finished uh construction had people moving in in 2019 and that is 30

[1:09:57] units of senior affordable housing here are a few after pictures um Wichita Falls is I think pretty close to exactly the same size as San Angelo um and I know that they came to be super fans of this project because it had a real impact on their downtown as a whole uh this is Lee lofts in Salina Kansas where the first floor is actually our Salina Kansas office this is one of my favorite projects when I started working at Overland property group we were office across the street and I think we had just applied for um tax credits for funding for this deal and I could see the building just like right out my office window and then I found the keys one day like after we acquired the building and I was able to go and explore and take photos and it was um pretty much our closest to Roosevelt Lofts that we've worked with it was just a shell mostly just wide open spaces and this is what it looks like today so it was really um kind of inspiring for me to watch this come to life over the course of you know my first couple years at Overland Property Group and this is also in Salina Kansas's um sorry this is also in their downtown it's on the North End so this block had like um a bar and then some abandoned warehouse buildings like these ones um it was just not a super vibrant part of our downtown and at around the same time our downtown was ursulina's downtown was undergoing like a big renovation revitalization project it took about five years and this was a key piece and in their efforts so we're proud of it um and then this is actually our first historic deal the Tabor Grand Hotel apartments in Leadville Colorado that we did in 2015. I unfortunately wasn't at the company at the time because I would

[1:12:00] have loved to work on this one um but yeah I think um you know we won a couple of awards for this one which was exciting given that it was our first historic rehab and this is Stone post lofts in Hayes Kansas an old school house and that's a family um development with 18 units and that opened just this last year all right now about this deal um so you know every year we we do a lot of new construction as well um I personally love historic architecture I love antiquing it's one of my hobbies uh so this um you know I was very in line with my personal interest so every year when we start looking for vacant land I always want to find the historic buildings because I think that they have a twofold impact on the community and I like to um you know be as efficient and effective as possible in my work um so I found this one and I thought yeah I found some old photos of it too and I thought it was um ultimately a really beautiful building and then I got to talking with Steve the owner well I think maybe my broker and I talked to Dell first and he introduced us to Steve um but it seems like you know Steve really cared about this building cares about it um he had awesome plans for it um and you know in talking with him you can you know we both share a passion for historic architecture um unfortunately these historic buildings can be a bit expensive when you start looking at all the um you know structural issues with your engineers things like that they become a big Financial lift um so through historic state and federal tax credits we're looking at you know roughly a little bit shy of three million that we could bring in uh that we think would would be eligible to

[1:14:01] receive in historic funding and then we'd be over a 10-year stream we'd get about 12 million in housing tax credits so you can see how you know when you're working with just the historic tax credits sometimes it's not quite enough and it makes it makes it pretty tough but these housing tax credits really allow us to renovate this building you know to a really high quality um I think to you know the thing that's tough with these is that they can only sit vacant and unfinished for so long um while they are assuredly made better um than a lot of the new construction we see these days uh they just can't last forever so I know I was telling um the mayor and Daniel and Dell in our last meeting that I checked out a really cool building in Lubbock's downtown a couple years ago and I really wanted to work on it but our engineer and our Architects were like this this is so structurally far gone that there's nothing uh like we wouldn't recommend it's not feasible um so I think when we're looking at buildings like this and when we care about preservation in this historic architecture it's really important to sort of strike while you can um and these housing tax credits would allow us to do that uh so we are looking at about 25 units these would be senior affordable units a rent range roughly between 365 dollars low end and then closer to a thousand dollars high end they'd be one in two bedrooms between 600 and 900 square feet um so it's a 6.5 million investment those are our construction costs tentatively But ultimately this would be a have a project budget of about 12 million total and then here's our proposed rents and unit mix this is

[1:16:04] uh during the application Phase which you know lasts anywhere from like late fall to March 1 when applications are due to the state this is influx most days um because we're trying to really cater the unit mix to the city's needs um the the residents needs um and then finding what what works um so right now we have uh 19 one bedroom units six two bedroom units and we have I broke out the area median income tiers so we have three units at 30 percent five units at 50 and then 17 of the units it's 60 percent so the interesting thing about this deal is it um as Bob mentioned earlier uh we didn't actually end up having competition in the region which is unheard of I mean I haven't experienced it at least of course I haven't been at this for years and years but um that's the first that I've heard of and when you don't have a lot of competition the scoring criteria changes a little bit you have a little more wiggle room um so that's something that I was just talking to our consultant last night about um you know kind of revising that unit mix to be to cater to what the city city wants the most so on something like this you know we we really think that we would be able to fit in some market rate units kind of change the mix around uh the other thing you know in conversations um it was made clear that the city's preference was for market rate you know totally which I I understand um the other thing that you know we were able to look into and that I talked to the mayor about and Dell and Daniel about was um exiting the affordability period in year 15. typically we hang out in the affordability period for about 35 to 40 years and that's oftentimes a real big scoring criteria there's no way around

[1:18:09] it um it's also just our typical business model that's oftentimes you know we'll see if that's what cities want um but with this one um you know there is an option for us to exit the program in year 15. it's about a year-long process so we'd start in year 14 but we are completely committed to doing that because again we want to stay in the community we want to be friends with the community so it's really important that we're not just you know coming in here and just doing something that benefits ourselves that's not our business model um we want to you know do something that works for everyone so that is something that we would be looking or that we would be pursuing in year 15. you talk about because you were the only ones who applied in this region and we certainly know we want to move towards market rate but the other issue is the number of one bedroom versus two bedrooms with the desire to have more two bedrooms and one bedrooms with that scoring criteria change somewhat because you are the only applicant does that allow you to remix the num the one bedroom versus two-bedroom and unfortunately not because that ends up being just a revenue thing like if we're only collecting rent for primarily two bedrooms and we're not getting rents from one bedrooms it makes it operating expense Wise It's just tough and you know this is really on the small end of what will do a historic deal with just because you do need a certain unit unit count to have like the financial viability of a deal and then when you're working you know in senior housing those are typically the units that lease is the one bedrooms versus the two bedrooms so unfortunately that's the that's a tough part because we do have to hit a certain amount of units to make the budget work from an operating standpoint is your budget incorporate um the Roosevelt sign because that's really important to me that that runs outside goes back up on top yeah okay yeah no that's

[1:20:13] um very important to me too and one of those things that was very exciting to me when I first started talking to Steve so we've worked it into the acquisition price yeah Steve's awesome too by the way he just wants to see this building he cares he's very committed and has been very disappointed that he hasn't been able to make it happen so we're glad that you all were talking and yeah to some positive conclusions yeah he said I you know it's always fun to chat with people who um who have a passion for for this kind of Rehabilitation um so right here I have just a couple of conceptual unit floor plans um and then I'm not going to read all of these out but I do have just an amenities map um you know as a developer when I'm looking at a site to develop it's really important to me that I'm um trying to develop housing in a place where it makes sense where there's actual services available and that's the positive about our downtown area there are lots of services available in a very small tight area yeah absolutely um and so that's something that gets me really excited about you know the total viability and health of a deal um you know you just want to you want to do something that makes sense and this makes so much sense to me from a location perspective um as you know as Dell knows because I think I've told him 30 times I'm a huge fan of your guys's downtown I think it's really special um so you know when I look at the Roosevelt and its location I think like the question I always ask myself is in for senior housing is like would I want my grandparents to live here like would I feel good about them living here and it does feel better and say your parents okay sorry my parents yeah um so yeah no this is a great great

[1:22:15] location um for housing and then I have my info up on the screen um I like to be accessible so anyone can text me call me email me anytime our address is there too if you prefer to write a letter um but by the way April went to Kansas State University as well so I just I wanted to ask that question yes she did yes did you oh no yeah I want to say that um April has been very open to the questions and challenges that we put before her and working with her company to make sure that we believed in the long run that this project addressed the needs and the wishes of where we see our downtown going and they have committed to do as much as that as possible they have to obviously live with the rules and regulations attached to these tax credits but they know their business and they know how to get these projects done and the slides that she has shown in conversation with individuals in those cities they've been very very supportive and very proud of the pro and project and the success in terms of really helping to drive their downtown revitalization so I am very supportive of this and I feel it's in the best interests of our city to stand up and stay strong in supporting this resolution thank you so much other questions or comments Karen I have three questions um adequate parking yep so that's something that you know we're looking at I mentioned it in our last meeting and we'll talk with Planning and Zoning about it and we hit the ADA requirements for parking um you know I was just looking at the survey like a couple days ago and it looks like there's

[1:24:17] um an alley that will be under our ownership that we didn't realize was going to be part of our ownership um so that's something that you know during the building permit approval process that we'd want to work with I think we'd already went before I think we already did a quick claim on that okay so you need to check on that but I think that was part of some of the previous work done was a quick claim on additional real estate to get the parking and okay okay so that's why that was done I saw that on the title work but I wasn't sure yeah we've already done that okay um retail or other tenants on the ground floor I think it's important to all of us that we have quality Street sure businesses sure and so uh related to that is how will the property be managed how do you ensure that you have quality tenants on that ground floor luxury even luxury tenants oh yeah no that's a great question um the housing tax credit program is no joke um so you know when I went to rent my apartment I was verified in a day this is like a two-week verification process you can't have any felonies you can't there there are a lot of um stringent rules and checks that that we do and something like this with 25 units you know we have we've all uh be scrambling to fill vacancies um so we'll only be you know selecting the best tenants or the ones who fit the stringent criteria we also have an on-site leasing manager and maintenance man um so the property will be you know managed locally managed locally and staffed every day so um your other properties that are similar in profile to this proposal are they fully occupied

[1:26:19] um I would have to check on current occupancy um but I can look into that and get back to you and yeah go ahead are you asking if there are other tax credit projects here in San Angelo no no she's talking about the other cities thank you Bob yeah so you know and with our investors we have to keep a certain threshold or else we get put on a watch list that's the other thing too when you have housing tax credits you're very heavily looking at you yep so um you know we have to keep our vacancies High I think they're usually in the mid mid to high 90s but I'll check on our they have to be in order for them to financially be viable yeah they'll continue to look at more projects if they weren't financially viable yeah yeah that's I'm sure the mayor knows that I'm very excited as well she's cool she knows yes about to hear it thank you Lucy you had a question yeah just a quick question and I'm uh not heard it What was what was the age eligibility for when do you feel old sometimes not [Laughter] um it varies typically it's between it's either 55 and up or 62 and up um I think usually we end up going with 55 and up Harry quick comment since it's in District three yes I'm glad to see I support this project I'm glad to see that we're going to move forward with Roosevelt and I do share the the mayor's enthusiasm about putting the Roosevelt sign back up there so I definitely support this thank you um do I need to take a vote on this resolution do I have oh Larry go ahead uh we're interested in jobs this thing is completed what are you

[1:28:21] talking about in terms of rough figure of management and everybody involved in let me say this it's not about jobs it's about housing and downtown and it's about putting dot property tax dollars back into the bank because those are the two things that we need to accomplish number one the number one request for downtown is housing number one and number two is as Harry made an allusion to a minute ago we need more property tax dollars to generate more funds in the cheers fund and it accomplished those two primary objectives I'd suggest if you want housing then it's got to be people that can afford housing and have a job so that's my concern is about how many people it's going to put to work in San Angelo as far as like the development like not talking about the people who live there not the construction I'm talking about the folks that are managing we would have frustrating two local staff members okay so that's not anything large no maintenance crew or anything like that no we would have our you know on-site property property but then you know the maintenance man obviously can't do it all himself so then when we need something bigger you'd have to be a licensed plumber or a license electrician so then he has to farm out that work if it needs done so there's x amount of that yeah but this hits our two primary goals yeah that's key if your experts evaluated the building you know those of us that drive bite every day it's a you know they strip the inside down to nothing and yeah so um we just got our feasibility report back like mid last week but yes definitely and that's I mean that's obviously Paramount when we're talking about a building like this but the engineering requirements um and support that we need to show are pretty extensive so you talked about amenities outside of the building but are there any amenities inside that you project yeah so we have like we'll have a community space

[1:30:25] um and then I'd have to look at the plans again because again at this time of the year they're always in flux as we're working towards you know it makes the most sense for the building I'm in our application um but we have a community space inside and like a clubhouse we call them and those end up being super popular especially in these Senior Communities um and so it always ends up being really cool to visit these properties and you know see a group of friends who are hanging out in the clubhouse together um you know a lot of times they'll have coffee groups or like breakfast groups or once a week they'll all go out um in town together things like that so without uh don't have to mention names but there's this place called raw 1899 right across the street that I've heard has great wine and some good appetizers a great amenity close by yeah yeah yes Lucy when you were talking about your other projects what was the time limit or what's the time limit on this project yeah like so you mean the timeline for development sort of yeah so that's a great question and I meant to address it earlier so um I'll start from the beginning we will apply for funding March 1st um the state will evaluate all applications until their board meeting July 27th the capital uh so July 27th we'll know whether or not we've secured funding right now we don't know why we wouldn't seeing that we have no competition um so uh and then from July um you know for the next six months or so we're working on securing you know a debt and Equity providers Like A lender and investor working on a financial feasibility with a building like this we're working in the historic approvals process because all of our plans have to go through the historic process um they have to sign off National Park Service has to sign off on everything um you know and then we hope to close in January or February of that would put us

[1:32:30] in 2024 and then construction would be between 12 and 14 months so then that would put us at you know first quarter of 2025. yeah you're welcome Larry one last question and it kind of parallels the question that the mayor had about signage on the north side of that building it's painted Roosevelt Hotel it's fading yeah what are the plans for that because uh you know I don't know whether we leave it exactly the way it is or do we paint it again what happens with that yeah so I keley and that yet but as I was sitting there a few minutes ago I was thinking about um I think when you were someone was talking about the mural project um you know I was thinking about um ways that we could do something there um you know as far as rehabbing what's there I love what's there you know just to Spruce it up what would be determined but is by the Texas historic and the National Historic organizations because they determine what has to be done and what could not be done so depending and that we have gotten in the past well Steve sorrows and Mike biggerstaff applied for Texas and of federal and Texas historic tax credits so that process has been done one time already now whether that was part of the approval process I don't know but I do know this they were very very specific about a lot of details and they will be because it's historic and that's where they're getting funding so when they get these tax credits they have to make all of the requirements happen yeah it's no joke um but I also too know a woman in Kansas so it's Kansas and not Texas who does um you know historic building like repainting signs like that you have any idea I'm sure you've been looking at the old photos of the building what is that below Roosevelt I

[1:34:34] can't make out whether they painted a buffalo or the United States or what it is I'm not sure I'm not sure um you know the other thing too that's really great about this deal is that Steve Steve was using the same historic consultant as us and her name's Ellis with poke host preservation she's an awesome resource and at some point in time you know it's early on in the process but um she usually goes digging you know like at the local library or in the archives for historic photos so I need to touch base with her and and ask on that and she did a lot of that when we got the first original tax credit so a lot of that work has already been done because they wouldn't have gotten tax credits uh Steve Searles and Mike wouldn't have gotten tax credits and been approved for it if that work hadn't been done and they had to work pretty hard to come up with all that information thank you very much yeah you're welcome all right with that may I have a motion for approval of the resolution Karen second Harry and Lucy double second of that so we got strong support any public comment seeing none will take a vote all those in favor say aye 7-0 thank you thank you okay item C consider approving amendment number four South Hangar taxi Lane with javiation a woolpert company Master airport agreement in the amount of 498 000 24.37 and authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute all related documents Jeremy you're on morning mayor staff uh Jeremy valgartsen representing your San Angelo Regional Airport very excited to be here today and this is kind of an introduction to a project we've been waiting for for quite some time we do have Federal support and this is the design engineering and construction management for this project and I will be coming to you soon for the actual bids and the construction portion of this project

[1:36:36] so what this project is is if you're looking at the picture this is standing at the Precision Hangar on the ramp where airplanes Park looking to the West that's an old Access Road getting into the ramp that will soon be a 1000 foot long by 110 foot wide taxi Lane yay yes yay the project consists of relocating a significant amount of utilities if you name it it's pretty much with you just stop would somebody tell the people in the hall to please be quiet thank you we're looking at relocating power lines that are above ground putting them below ground sewer water fire hydrants telephone fiber and the big one is the FAA Communications line we've learned there's some copper lines that are running out to the radar facility and the repeater antennas that will need to be relocated as part of this project what this project will do is open up development opportunity for 400 by 100 hangers for 90 by 90s 860 by 60s which are all in high demand and two t hangers which are in low demand at this point but we're opening up the opportunity for future development can those two t hangers be converted to 60 by 60. they sure can yep well if that's the demand is for the 60 by 60 let's not do T hangers right this is just a bird's eye view of the airport you can see the red area down this Tom wants one development's good uh that the red section is the the location of this project and it is it is consistent with the master plan we've made a few alterations from the master plan but we have full support from the FAA so here's the layout the blue area is what we're going to construct we'll put in the taxi lane and then we'll the the orange and the ramp will be leased by tenants and they can build to suit they'll build the hangers that they want that would meet the the standard specifications and then they can tie into that taxi Lane there is also some additional work we're going to do with the 60 by 60s the FAA has agreed that it would be considered

[1:38:37] public use because the the hangar furthest to the South would depend on the hangar to the north to get his Asphalt in before he could access the taxi Lane so the FAA has agreed to put some additional Asphalt in there um to the mayor's point you can see the T hangers the 60 by 60s in the old master plan were actually slated four T hangers but we had such a big demand for the 60 by 60s we were able to convert those to that for that use so same thing can happen with that the two t-hanger slots if 60 by 60s is a better use we can put them in there 90 by 90s 100 by 100 we're not limited on on what we can do in that area but we will have access to that far west side of the the airport uh the point of this one I know it's hard to see on your screen is just to show all the utilities um and I already mentioned it but we're going to be putting below ground the big one is that FAA communication line that the FAA should pay for and we're still crossing our fingers that they do this here is my level of commitment all the red X's I have a letter of intent in writing of somebody ready to build so as soon as we get this project done they're ready to pull a lease so all the hundred by hundreds without any advertisement have already been spoken for uh two of the 90 by 90s and five of the 60 by 60s and again without any advertisement when this thing gets advertised and people know about it they're going to fill up very quickly um both the fbos are maxed out on Hangar space we're busting at the seams and I get phone calls almost daily now for do we have any hangers available again we are not constructing the hangers we're just putting in the taxi Lane so this project we're recommending that we use Aviation under the master agreement that we have that Master agreement is good for five years this would be amendment number four it's design engineering bidding construction Administration Geotech cultural and historical which is already done testing and closeout here's our proposed schedule we're looking at a

[1:40:40] March bid advertisement day so we're coming up really soon on that construction award in may start a construction in July and project completion in October I'm pretty confident with these dates because we're also going to run this in conjunction with our entitlement project with the South taxi Lane project to try and get some economies of scale because the FAA is going to require FAA great asphalt down there on this taxi Lane so we're gonna if we're going to run the South taxi Lane project this time this will go and it's a very high priority item fabulous aviation's total fee this is all inclusive again this does include construction management is 498 000 24.37 source of funding it's the bipartisan infrastructure law the bio Grant and the airport infrastructure Grant the AIG Grant um I put budgeted for an FY 23 I do have the the budget amendment in hand this wasn't actually actually an FY 22 grant that was carried over to 23 and we will receive another one million forty three thousand fifty for FY 23 here probably um just before September it has a multi-year grant for the next five years we'll receive that amount there is a 10 requirement so 90 FAA the rest would be us and it is PFC eligible I did do an independent fee estimate the free for some of the new council members I have to do an independent fee estimate because we have a five-year agreement to make sure their fees are fair and reasonable and then I send a letter to the FAA stating they're fair and reasonable I get a letter back from the FAA saying we support it use our money to pay for it the independent fee estimate actually came in higher than javiations fees so I did get that letter back from the FAA this project did go to airport board last week and they fully support it with that I'll take any questions we have questions Tommy Tom yeah so uh one thing that was pointed out at Precision when we did some construction years ago on the west side of precision they had a and it's shown not included in this but

[1:42:43] they used to have a I would say a concrete or an asphalt driveway that allowed them to Loop and Tow around the back side is it worth looking at maybe while that's not going to be something they taxi on but at least they could tow their helicopters and things if we were able to take some of this and get that back improved to where the excavators ran over at the last time we did some improvement and I know it's not a solution now Jeremy but that's been brought up to me several times by several different people right I understand and I've been looking at that project that is unfortunately not FAA eligible because it's on leased private land it's not eligible for public use but we do need to do something locally as a city and as an airport to take care of that because it is something that we damaged in a project years ago so but this this project will not pay for that what this project will do is because we're going to have to amend some of the leases because that taxi Lane is going to cut into their lease it's going to cut into precision's vehicle parking area so it will pave an area just a little further to the Southwest for the vehicles to park there and it actually is going to connect to that ramp where they could tow around the west side and still get out to the room thank you Jeremy um Tommy did you have no I was I was going to move approval of uh Amendment four for the second Taxi motion and uh second uh any public comment s seeing none will take a vote all those in favor of approving item C say aye aye motion passes 7-0 thank you Jeremy get it done item D receive received presentation from specialized Public Finance Incorporated regarding proposed plan of Finance for city of San Angelo Texas tax notes series 2023 and direct specialized Public Finance Incorporated to proceed with such plan of Finance you're on Tina thank you mayor I'm going to introduce the subject and let you all have a discussion on the projects before we go move on to the

[1:44:46] funding source that will propose for you so the projects are approximately 1.6 million dollars for Public Safety improvements and approximately 303 thousand dollars for installation of a traffic light and here we'll go into a little bit more detail the Public Safety project is at the animal shelter and I have asked Morgan and Al Taurus to be here if you have any questions on this project I'll have the slide here and she can kind of go through the plan she and he we're good morning Morgan check with an assistant director of neighborhood and Family Services what we have before you today are talking to the microphone yes I'm hearing it back are y'all yes um we have some what I call whole house improvements need to happen the HVAC overall needs a significant Improvement and that's duct work the air handling units compressors the air exhaust system throughout the building so that is included in this proposal we also have lighting and ceiling upgrades really just so a good bit of my building has drop ceiling tiles and then some of it has the flat like permanent ceiling all of it is holding odor and so I think that you'll get the same complaints I do which are about odor noise um and standing water in some portions of the kennels drainage issues Plumbing issues and so that's what's before you today is to really speak to those complaints and make the building more functional and the security improvements are something it's not a security system it's not any kind of you know burglar or or anything like that it's simply functioning doors throughout my building I I choke my building's full-time job is to use water and our building is in use every day every minute of the day and so we are building that deteriorates more

[1:46:48] frequently than an office style building and so literally just the doors throughout are failing and need to be changed out so that is the kind of the whole house needs we are recommending a significant investment in the general population kennels that space is really tough for the customer experience as well as staff in the animals in care so we are looking at dropping that c feeling right now it's about three thousand square feet of 120 kennels and so that is if we drop the ceiling and make those five individual rooms that'll decrease noise decrease odor decrease the risk of spread of disease all those things that are really important to us we also are looking in the general kennels we'll demo everything every kennel is coming down all the cinder block walls all the chain link gates all of that's coming down to be reconfigured and the reason to do that is because we've got to deal with the plumbing the plumbing that's which is great but what about the animals that are in there now if we're taking all the kennels out all the all what where did the animals go so the logistics of the move out and how much of the building needs to be emptied and for how long is going to be discussed early on with the vendor if the council does give support of the project the logistics of moving out you know in in September we've evacuated um more than a hundred dogs out of the building for a pest control treatment we evacuated the larger half of the building about 4 000 square feet of the building for that and that was for a short period of time and so we stood up a temporary location we leaned heavily on the community a hundred dogs left from part of that process and never came back net either were adopted kept in Foster went on transport whatever it was and so we're going to lean on the community heavily we also will stand up a secondary location for housing but we'll look for guidance from the vendor of how long we have to be out so that we

[1:48:53] can clearly communicate that with our partners and who we lean on um because this would be like a four to six month construction timeline for the project to be complete so we do know that the 120 dogs in the general kennels would have to come out that building's I mean that that room is coming down to nothing it cannot hold animals at all um and so we're we're going to work through that in um because we think the improvements are um that necessary so so speaking to the plumbing um in the general kennels is significant um expanding the lobby to serve our population our lobby has never been sufficient if I have three people in line at the front desk it's it's full and that was uh even more made clear during covid and and social distancing that we just we do not have the space really available for um people um and we're going to do that through a reconfigure of our cat room when you first walk in that cat room will be kind of turned inside out um so that that Lobby is um better better served to the community most of it um so some whole house things and then a significant Improvement in the general kennels which is about half of my square footage I'm sure we have questions from Council I'll start with Larry do you have any questions or comments your existing building when does that date from this this facility was constructed in 1999. it's not that old right but it is a building that's used 24 7 365. um you know if you were looking at other City facilities how often they've had a complete rehab they're not facilities and occupied as as much as mine are we've got staff there every day of the year and we're using every square footage every day all right Karen tagging on to his question I don't think that building was built for that Express purpose initially was it uh to be an animal shelter it was okay

[1:50:56] okay Lucy yeah Gary Tom I had the same question Larry did but Morgan you answered it's an outdated facility it's seen its course it's run its life it's got an expiration date on it I'm glad to see this come forward I mean I've been out there folks I spent a good bit of time out there with Morgan last summer last fall I don't know exactly when it was this is a long long overdue long overdue I'd move approval of this item do we need to do it all at one well we can do this piece and then the other because if somebody might be opposed to the other but um I think I've heard a lot of positives I don't hear anybody fighting this and I think everyone has heard enough complaints from the public that we know this investment's necessary and really important so we're going to go ahead and take a vote on this particular item first what in the interest of transparency just to have an asterisk on that this isn't going to solve all our problems right for the growth that we've had in our community in over 20 years is this facility even the right size to serve our community this is just to speak to the existing systems that are approaching failure it is um it is going to be living within our current square footage um it's a it's an investment and it's needed um but you know further discussions could occur about you know really what would we design from the beginning if we had been at the table in 1999 of what our community needs um so we can't look backwards it didn't happen but what we do know is the following the single biggest issues that we have and hear from people is number one the smell two is Plumbing I mean it you know everybody would love it would or Shoulda Coulda but where we're at is today and I think this addresses some key issues that we've all heard from from our constituents so yes Heather this is just a direction item so you don't have to take a vote but whenever they're done just to give direction to proceed with the finance plan I think that you see seven people saying we we support this strongly so go

[1:53:01] yeah hey Morgan so what you were saying was that this is not going to be an expansion of for more animals right we're going to leave it the way it is with the amount of animals that we have now that we're housing all of this is inside our current footprint our current square footage none of this is adding square footage adding um rooms adding space it's in our existing building thank you I think it's important to hear what Morgan said at the very end this doesn't do anything except address immediate needs it doesn't really give us a long-term solution to the to the some of the issues we're having but this has to be done to avoid failure well I think we also need to keep in perspective if we added 60 more kennels we'd still have a problem you can continue to expand it and then you take in more animals and more animals and more animals you're I mean we have to realize at some point we have only certain capacity financially we already spend over a million two of funding this animal shelter on an annual basis we can't keep growing the capacity of the animal shelter what we've got to do is find answers to solving the animal problem and that's another conversation okay another Factor though too is that internally the numbers are going down a little bit citations are going up and that helps to solve some of that overcrowding that we're going to have making pet owners responsible and we have to stick with the our policies okay next the next item is the traffic signal replacement of the temporary signal signal at Knickerbocker Road and Twin Mountain Drive approximate estimated cost of 303 000 um and Patrick's here if you have any questions about this one I think we've heard about this light

[1:55:06] heard a lot about this mayor so have I this is in my district so I am extremely supportive of this Patrick enough said that's it I like it that way thank you are there questions it's like driving straight through and not stopping but I'll go figure out if are there any questions honestly for Patrick if not then I think he again heard from this Council that that is a project we strongly support and the citizens will be thrilled okay so now for the funding portion we're looking at uh reviewing the issuance of approximately two million dollars between those two projects and tax notes to fund these improvements of course the note will mature this year in August it's a one-time funding that's available from The Debt Service fund we've built up a little bit of fund balance so we need to use it for our projects it will not increase the current ins tax rate they'll be these notes will be offered directly to local and National Banks and I have Vince vial from specialized Public Finance here to kind of explain how that process works if you want a little more information but the bids on the note will be due March 17th and we'll receive the proceeds in April I think what we like is the fact that the money exists that it will finance the projects I'm not sure we need a lot more verbiage on it we need to get these two projects done and I think it's very it's great that we found a source of Revenue to get these two projects done so thank you yes all right with that we'll move into item no take a quick yes we can take a quick break let's keep it short I know Tom's got to go he doesn't have much time so when I say 10 minutes I mean 10 minutes and that means we're at 10 27. so everybody don't let's not linger in the hallways flick hearing of a reconsideration of an ordinance approving the abandonment of approximately four thousand sixty feet of the right-of-way of Cox Lane beginning near 1861 Cox Lane and

[1:57:08] extending 2 330 feet to the west then 1730 feet South ending approximately 320 feet north of the intersection of Sunset Drive and Foster Road John James director of planning and development services most of you have seen this but I'm going to go through for those who weren't here but a little more quickly than last time but as you mentioned this is a proposed abandonment of a portion of Cox Lane and if you're familiar with this area there's Foster road that runs right there and then Cox Lane comes in from Sunset and then runs right beside it until it turns and then goes over and so it's that duplicated roadway that is being proposed for abandonment we did send out notices to the surrounding properties that are immediately affected by that 31 notices none in opposition that we received this is just the thoroughfare plan map for the area so the area we're talking about is is kind of in here you'll notice that it's currently outside the city limits as this property looks to develop in the future they will be seeking annexation into the city um one of the issues and I think I've got it on the next slide actually is part View easier to see Parkview used to come across from Knickerbocker and come all the way over to YMCA and then it would continue on at some point in the past this piece of Park View was eliminated from the thoroughfare plan and so that's no longer a continuous collector street through there but the piece that currently exists is still a collector and the piece that would go through the proposed development would continue that part view this is Adobe Lane most of that does not exist either but that would be a north-south piece as well and that will come into play in a minute as we talk about some different options this is a little bit of a zoom in of

[1:59:11] that same area but with the aerial photography so you can see the existing development and the applicants that are requesting the abandonment basically on this piece of land here and again are looking to abandon a portion of of that Cox Lane I have some traffic counts here I won't go through all these but some of the concern of course is that if you bring part view in like this or in some other configuration that you might increase traffic into the neighborhood particularly using part view as a collector Street I think based on this is sunset where Cox comes into Sunset and Foster staff's belief is that most of the traffic that comes from this direction will turn South on Foster either because they're trying to ultimately get to the loop anyway or they'll go down to Sunset and over Sunset has no stop signs along the way it's a pretty straight shot right right if if you went if you came into Parkview here you're going to have to stop you'd go over to YMCA stop again then South to Sunset and stop again um but I I think it's it's fair to say that some traffic would probably uh take those streets through the neighborhood whether it's part view or one of the others but traffic tends to stay on the major streets when possible and so that's our belief that long term that's what will happen so as I mentioned staff doesn't believe traffic patterns would be negatively affected there are you no utilities that would be impacted by this abandonment or if there are they would have to be moved appropriately through the plot process and we believe that it would be a public benefit to eliminate those duplicated roads that literally run like 10 feet apart from each other that's just an extra maintenance concern for the city having to maintain two roads that that are literally just a few feet apart

[2:01:14] this is the picture of that Foster Road Sunset Cox Lane intersection so you can see the the two separate roads there that run parallel and I should mention that Foster if you recall on that thoroughfare plan map it is also a collector street so it was built and planned long term to be that north-south collector for that neighborhood and this is that corner on Cox Lane by abandoning this you would eliminate this uh somewhat dangerous corner there and you can see at the time this picture was taken uh somebody had gone through the the guardrails there and um that would also be well you can see here also Foster and Cox Lane that parallel each other you can see that there's an elevation difference so in any future development that would have to be addressed uh you know if if roads are going to come in from the vacant property over to Fox to Foster however this this is about the steepest route here and Cox Lane descends and so in just a little ways down from this they're basically parallel again little elevation difference so the Planning Commission heard this at their December meeting they did recommend approval it was a 5-2 vote so there were two in opposition the recommendations are with a few conditions these are just our normal conditions with an abandonment that the property be absorbed into the adjacent properties through a plat the city would issue a quick claim deed there is a unique one with this that's not always on an abandonment but it would basically require that the abandonment shall not be basically affected until replacement streets are created so there are a few properties that if were abandoned immediately they would lose any access to a public road so basically what that means is when development happens on this property they would have to build the New Roads and those roads be open and operational before Cox Lane goes away that's a quick overview about happy

[2:03:19] happy to answer any questions there are some slides I'll note I won't go into them because I think that the applicant will go through them but there are some options that they wanted to show and and discuss but I'll let them go through those slots any questions for John at this point go ahead Karen does the developers proposal include a storm water drainage study I'll let them address that but yes they have attention of addressing drainage and in fact any development of vacant property like this has to prepare a drainage plan and address that through the development process all right I mean you know I I think there's at least in my mind there's there's uh maybe misunderstanding I'm not sure if that's the right word but what we are being asked today is whether or not we should abandon those two sections of Cox Road and I think there is some some again misperception whatever that we are approving some design of what this development is going to look like that's not the case correct that's correct it's only about the abandonment and and any drawings you see about how roads may or may not be lined up in the future is all just conceptual at this point that all gets worked out through the development process that's our future that's a totally separate part in a step in the just in the process that they would have to present to the planning department a conceptual layout for plotting purposes of the development which I think I've learned just through this process there's some state laws that would say to us if they present a plan that is acceptable and meets our subdivision ordinances we have to accept it is that is that what I understand that's correct so we may or may not have a whole lot of say in the ultimate design anyway so I

[2:05:23] just want to yeah I don't think any I think what has come up before is that some of the comments and challenges from Neighbors uh couldn't be addressed because we hadn't seen what a potential development might look like so the idea was because it's um it's hard to say you support or don't support if you don't know if there are options to satisfy the issues and the challenges and so you have to have some plan presented to you from even if it's just a conceptual perspective to say all of those things including the drainage plan have to be addressed in the future development approving Cox Lang doesn't mean or not that we ignore everybody's issues or challenges and you hope that those things can be addressed in the future with what happens in the planning department but I think it helps address people's questions and concerns and that's what we need to do thank you okay so with that let's see the presentation Sherry good morning Council Hillary Bucher with Dorado Construction Group we are representing the owner here so we will go into our presentation in the last council meeting we heard three objectives that you were really looking for again these are conceptual what we heard Street layout options just so you could see all the options and stuff we have considered we heard drainage patterns and the concerns with the drainage and we heard about the master thoroughfare plan so we've come up with some slides to talk about different options again these are all conceptual we will present the final through the planning process which will go through the planning Division and then ultimately be approved by the Planning Commission so option one is the option you have seen in the past so this would be coxling turning down to combine with Parkview Drive so this would create an S curve and combine the two streets this

[2:07:27] would create an easy way to flow traffic through our proposed subdivision so that's one of the original options we looked at this would provide a two-way stop We Believe at Foster Road City staff has let us know that that was kind of their plan so Cox Parkview would have the Stop and Foster would be the through street so that would I think help prevent people from making the decision to go through to Park View if they're already at a stop they would probably take the easiest route and turn down south this also combines the two collectors that are very close to each other into one so that eliminates the duplicity of some of these streets again reducing maintenance costs for the city in the future in contrast to that we looked at another option again this is conceptual but one other option could possibly be taking Cox down to the new Adobe turning Adobe down and then having these streets so this would produce probably more stop signs and in some ways slow traffic again we believe there would be a two-way stop at Foster no matter what this helps maintain the two separate collectors so they are not connected but we wanted to make sure that we put this out there as well both options have possible additional through streets in future phases again those are not guaranteed that's why I kind of dashed them in but the possibility that these other streets can come through and provide alternates it could really break up the amount of through traffic that that each Street sees so those are kind of some of the options we looked at in regards to the traffic so going on to drainage just to give you a slight overview this is all very preliminary so I don't want to go too far into it but the future drainage study when we do the full thing will evaluate the existing conditions and the future efforts needed for the proposed subdivision the goal of this study is to maintain the peak drainage discharge flow rates onto the existing drainage structures that exist today the detention ponds will be utilized to hold the specified rain amounts that we need that are additional to what is

[2:09:31] currently out there and this will ensure the overall impact of the development is minimized and will not change the existing drainage scheme in a global manner so with the preliminary drainage study that we've done it's very preliminary but the existing unimproved site which is 91.3 acres in a hundred year storm would release approximately 28 acre feet per 24 hours so that is using the Costa standard on the unimproved side as it is today again preliminary numbers we used a mixture of coefficients so coefficients are different for different types of development obviously roads and paved surfaces have a very high coefficient because nothing is able to sink in it just runs off single family has a little bit lower because you do have a rooftop but you also have the landscape around those so we used a mixture of those of residential multi-family roads runoff coefficients to show the improved site would produce about 37.78 if this number holds true through the design process this would require to detain approximately eight acre feet so some of the reasons those numbers are a little different you see 28 to 37 is some of it has to do with flow rates so obviously the flow rate of the road is going to be very quick the flow rate off of a subdivision might be a little slower so so with that being said we've currently designed a proposed detention Pond that could hold 10 acre feet so we are not only hoping to detain that we're hoping to keep even a little bit more again to slow the water as it releases down toward the Concho River and that's what I have for my presentation does anyone have any questions or comments Larry Karen you refer to existing drainage infrastructure was it this one

[2:11:35] bullet point yes bullet point two so subscribe to us if you would please what those existing drainage sure So currently if you look at the site it drains to the southeast corner of the property where there is a drainage easement through an existing subdivision that is currently southeast of this property that then heads to the Concho River so there are existing facilities that take the water from this unimproved site down to the river so we are looking at how those will be affected we do not want to increase the rate through those existing facilities if that makes sense so I know that that the homeowners and the in the area that have objected consistently objected to this particular development proposal I think we're all learning as we go and and we thank you for your patience but the concern was what happens with the drainage that's actually to the west and north of your property where those two parallel roads run together and there's a five foot deficit in in height and I think we even have the videos that were sent to us we can show them publicly if we need to so while it's not really your problem and you've you've managed the the puzzle for your own development beautifully it is a problem for the city and interestingly enough yesterday's Planning Commission meeting developers multiple developers got up and discussed in in great length the need for improved drainage guidelines if if you will for the city of San Angelo so apologize for dragging you through that sort of parallel conversation but it is relevant it does concern the property owners so if you could help us understand why what you're doing doesn't matter to that maybe that would reassure those homeowners well and I will say it does matter I mean we are hoping that by

[2:13:37] cutting these streets through maybe we could take some of that water and pull it onto our side and store it in our detention point I mean I think that we can help through the process the ultimate goal for the city's regulations and for us is not to make a problem worse so I hope that we can even make it better we cannot affect the drainage that was already occurring on another site I wish there was a way that an easy way we could help but our current site sits about five or six feet above that so I'm not sure there's even a possibility to remedy that existing problem well and I mean making maybe working together between all of us there could be some possible solution but I know that water really wants to drain North toward the red Arroyo and right now there's stuff that's stopping it so I mean that that could be looked at those are individual property owners that we do not have connections to so I'm not sure that we could change it we're hoping to make it a little bit better if anything I think the key here is that the drainage issue is a city's issue from Foster Road and the development will not increase the existing City problem yes ma'am that's our goal for sure and so we need to separate those two conversations because approval of this and determine and determining what's right or what's wrong it's got It's a separate conversation for the city and Foster wrote this is draw a hard line between the two and look at this as a property opportunity or conversation about what can or cannot be improved within this existing land and all new plats have to have a drainage study and the plot cannot and will not be approved until the planning committee has determined that the flooding potential issues have been addressed within this that's the obligation correct and we have a long process ahead of us through this property as stated earlier we'll have to

[2:15:40] seek annexation we will have to seek rezoning which you will see the platting process as a whole process where they're going to require us to have the plans for the streets and the drainage study and all those things will be improved through your Engineering Services Lucy do you have any questions no ma'am Harry Tom Lin Tommy Hilary can you talk a little bit because while the mayor said it is a hard line I agree between the the Foster Road drainage that's that's not y'all's issue however as you I assume some of those streets will come through and cross what what is now Cox and ultimately tie into foster there will be some sloping I guess is the right word of the roadways to be able to connect the roadways so I I again this is an assumption I assume your drainage study will have to take into account whatever water might be coming from your correct development onto ultimately Foster Road correct those flow rates would have to be looked at to maintain current flow so and that it yes and no right right it's yes and no but uh still it's something that that has to be addressed even though we've got a totally separate issue right now on Foster which I think they are beginning to address I went out there Saturday it looks like to me they're starting to work through the easement back there to start addressing some of that well that's great news yeah I think that's what what's happening that's what appeared to me so I just wanted to to clear that up that y'all would be addressing any issues that your development possibly would create as it as it uh tied in some roadways into into uh Foster at some point correct as those plans are created and Grading plans drainage plans all

[2:17:43] those will factor into each decision but yes they will be ultimately looked at and approved by the Engineering Services Division yes sir all right with that do I have a motion I'll make a motion to approve this percentage the second second by Harry public comment please hi Brandy Beale single member district one these plans that have presented are not conceptual to the homeowners that have been working on on these homes for decades the the this this is our future this is our front yard this is not conception to have a retainage pond in the Southeast corner of this development will do nothing to the drainage issues that are currently on Foster Road that flow into the north I appreciate that the Mesquite and so forth has been cleared towards that area perhaps that will help a little bit but Mesquite in our area you can clear something to the ground fur Acres and it will be back in three years to a level where you can't even pass through it Mesquite grows quickly it grows in my front yard it grows to the side and clearing this land is not a long-term solution these streets will compound to the problem that slope that is going to pass into Foster Road so the math on that is you take the volume of the street so if it's going to be matched the same width of foster we're talking 52 to 60

[2:19:48] inches or 52 to 60 feet you take the volume of the road times the precipitation in inches and you multiply that by 0.623 and that yields how many gallons that you're going to add to this intersection where thousands of cars are going to pass daily that traffic count was presented again to you in the same way it was last time very small numbers that was almost impossible for us to see on the screen it wasn't presented publicly prior to this meeting and I again I feel that the traffic needs to be looked at because that's going to add to the drainage issues you have that many cars going through this drainage that's a safety issue for the residents of San Angelo this plan we talked about that curve to Cox Road this plan continues to have traffic pass at a curve the only difference is that now instead of there being a barricade at that curve there is a home there is a home that if someone does not navigate that curve right through the several inches of water that rests on Foster Road it's not going to be one car into a barricade it's going to be one car into a family's home a glass council meeting asked that mayor Gunter asked that the whole presentation not just a piece because there's no going back this is not just one portion it's not just the abandonment because once that takes place

[2:21:53] the rest is a Cascade of water flowing downhill thank you Brandy thank you other public comment hi my name is Melissa rodicus I live at 1601 Parkview and we're back again um still very very concerned about the drainage right in front of my house no matter what kind of retaining pond they're talking about putting in the South corner they're still going to be water coming down that slope if they build a street there which puts more water right there into the intersection of the video that I showed y'all it's already terrible if we get more than a quarter of an inch of rain which you know we don't get a whole lot of rain but when we do it's a very bad situation so I still have that same concern about the drainage um another thing that I wanted to bring up I brought up at the last meeting as well Parkview is considered a collector Street and that keeps coming up and these thoroughfare plans it will never connect to arterial streets since part of it has already been abandoned across the railroad tracks it will never connect to Knickerbocker will never connect to Sunset so I don't know how it can be designated a collector Street when it will never collect and move traffic to an arterial Street lastly I just want to bring up and it may or may not be an issue just something to think about I spoke with the fire chief after the last meeting and asked them about their response plans and if Cox Lane was actually factored in to their response plans and the answer was yes the fire department the police department the DPS they all use Cox Lane saisd uses Cox Lane every day

[2:23:57] so you know a change in the street is going to change what their response plans are and going to the loop to take to South Bryant is not part of their response plans today so it may make them better it may make them worse but if it makes it worse even a minute do you want your family to be the one waiting on an ambulance for an extra minute so just something to think about so thank you thank you again further public comment all right seeing none we will take a vote uh we'll start with um Tommy hi Tom Harry hi mayor Gunter aye Lucy aye Karen can I say I'm not sure no um I'm a no Larry motion passes six to one all right we'll move on to the next item which is item number f first reading and public hearing of an ordinance for z22-25 to rezone properties from the high-rise multi-family residential zoning District to the single family residential zoning District being 12.097 Acres generally located at the southeast corner of Bloom Street or Blum street I'm not sure if it's bloom or Blum and East 40th Street John thank you John James director of planning and development services this you may recall a couple of years ago was rezoned actually 2019 just seems like a couple this was rezoned for multi-family there was a project proposed for an apartment complex a fairly large apartment complex in this area that apparently fell through new owners have acquired the property and now want

[2:26:00] to rezone it back to single-family residential and so that's what's before you today and that that picture is just a layout of their preliminary plot of that area for single family you may recall that the uh the neighbors many of the neighbors were opposed to that zoning to multi-family and so they are in favor of this this change so we did send out 33 notifications to the surrounding properties 12 in support so again very supportive of taking this back to single family again it is a neighborhood designation so it is consistent with the comprehensive plan it's also consistent with the surrounding area which the rest of the surrounding areas all single family or Ranch in a state uh the staff does recommend approval as did the Planning Commission unanimously at their January meeting with that I'd be happy to answer any questions questions for John on this property Lucy how many homes are you are they planning on building that's a good question um it's quite a few um okay and again you can see there the the layout of it okay Harry Tom only support Tommy then do I have a motion for approval I'll make a motion to approvements in your District you have a motion for approval seconded by Harry any public comment seeing none will take a vote all those in favor say aye aye motion passes seven zero we'll move on to item G first reading public hearing of ordinance on the

[2:28:03] following cases for property being 0.743 Acres located at 3 5 and 9 West Avenue J won the cp22-07 a request for approval of an amendment to the comprehensive plan chaining changing certain lands from the commercial to the neighborhood future land use designation and two z22-26 a request for approval of a rezoning from The General commercial heavy commercial Zone District to the single family residential zoning District John euron thank you as you mentioned this is rezoning from commercial to single family you can kind of see here at some point in the past along Chadbourne Street they just basically drew a line down the street on either side and said that's all commercial but there are these three uh what were planted as residential lots that are currently vacant and so the owner wants to develop those as single family lots and so that's the purpose for this rezoning basically extending the residential zoning out to incorporate those three lots we did send out our notifications and received two in opposition I don't believe they had any specific responses as to why they're opposed um but uh typically think since it's gone from commercial to residential there wouldn't be an opposition that generally the other way around so I'm not sure right and in fact it allows for heavy commercial on that property so um okay no questions all right with that may I have a motion for approval move to approve motion by Harry segment by Tommy any public comment seeing none will take a vote all those in favor say aye aye none opposed motion passes seven zero item H first reading and public hearing of ordinances on the

[2:30:04] following cases for property being approximately 15.325 acres and located Northeast of the intersection of Montag um Montauk Avenue and Vex Street one cp2208 a request for approval of an amendment to the comprehensive plan changing the future land use from commercial and transitional to neighborhood and to z22-27 a request for approval of a rezoning from General commercial zoning District to the plan development zoning District John your arm thank you this is located near the Houston heart freeway you can see on the screen where the area we're talking about it's currently Zone General commercial as you can see they want to leave General commercial at the part up close to the freeway but then rezone the more southerly part for single family it's actually a planned development because they want the flexibility to do rs1 which is single family or RS3 which is zero lot line or townhome kind of development we did send out our notifications did not receive any responses in favor or against staff is recommending approval as did the Planning Commission unanimously I moved to approved second seconded by Karen Emotion by Lucy any public comment seen none will take a vote all those in favor say aye aye saying hearing no negatives we will consider that approved seven to zero and then the last item is item I first reading a public hearing of an ordinance for z22-29 to rezone property from the single family residential zoning District to the two family residential zoning District located at 1201 coverland Street thank you as you said it's a resulting from rs1 to rs2 it would allow duplex on this property this is an old church building uh and as you know it's often a struggle of what do you do with the church when the church goes away oftentimes people look at them for

[2:32:06] commercial or something which aren't always appropriate for a neighborhood in this case they think they can just convert that existing church building into two units a duplex and so that's the reason for this request we did send out our notices no opposition from the surrounding neighbors you can see a couple of pictures this is the front of the church on the left and this is the back of the church and this sort of area in the back is where the parking was for the uh the church when it was a church staff does recommend approval and the Planning Commission also did unanimously any questions for John on this item to approve I have a motion and a second any public comment seeing none will take a vote all those in favor say aye aye motion passes 7-0 we will now move into our closed session executive session under the provision is government code Title 5 open government ethics subtitle a open government chapter 551 open meeting sub chapter D exceptions to the requirement that meetings be open under the following sections a section 551.072 deliberations about real property regarding 122.36 Acres out of survey 644 abstract 1181 West spornhon and out of survey 645 abstract 4212 Z SEC sesh section 551087 business Prospect negotiations regarding project Sienna and section 551087 business Prospect negotiations regarding Skyline Aviation ND section 551074 personal matters to deliberate at the of the appointment of the city clerk at this point we are adjourned from a regular agenda and we will move into our closed session at this point leading back to order at 12 29 on the 21st of February and Daniel has an

[2:34:11] announcement to make following executive session I do it is my honor to announce our our new city clerk uh Heather Stassney she has been with the city for quite a while now she's actually been with the department for for two years and she's picked up so much knowledge she's going to do wonderful job for us and I just want to congratulate Heather on this appointment and the city council support thank you okay so with that the next item is considered approving various board nominations Civil Service Commission Brian Dunn which is a city manager appointment to first term ending January 2026 the construction Board of adjustments and appeal Scott Allison mayor to a second term ending February 2025. do I have a motion for approval of those two appointments move to approve a move a motion by Lucy a second by Tom uh any public comment concerning those two no there is not so we'll take a vote all in favor say aye aye motion passes 7-0 item C is announcements to consideration of future agenda items are there any none we will ask for an emotion for adjournment all in favor say aye aye the city council meeting um 1221 is adjourned at 12 31. done nice job team

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