City Council Strategic Planning Workshop 5-31-22

[0:00:00] 7 a.m on today tuesday may the 31st and we are calling this meeting to order it's terrific to see this many people in the audience here to listen and hear what's going on in the city we appreciate all public comment and all opinions on strategies that are going to be discussed today generally speaking today is a strategy workshop it is not a workshop in which we'll be taking votes on any of the issues their presentations information and for future consideration on a vote so your opinions your ideas your comments are greatly welcomed we're glad you're here today and with that we will open up the public comments section of the agenda today issues or concerns not on the regular agenda may be raised by the public at this time citizens should speak from the podium address all comments to the dias begin by stating their name and address or single member district number and limit their remarks to less than three minutes so i will open it up for public comment are there individuals here who would like to offer any public comment on any item other than the items that will be discussed during the regular workshop itinerary if so please come forward and where are they going to speak from over here today okay see no one come forward for the public comment section of the itinerary we will move into the workshop itinerary and we will start with item a the overview of the planning workshop daniel you're on yes ma'am thank you um this part of the as far as the workshop itself it really is to kind of give an update on the uh priorities that city council had established kind of the guidelines that the director the city staff has received

[0:02:02] from city council so this is the opportunity opportunity at this point to review those projects and have some discussion about maybe uh leaving the priorities the way they are actually we've had the same priorities for the last five years they've ever confirmed this past year so we'll have a little bit of a discussion afterwards to see if there's anything that will change we are going to be looking at different things today not just the update but possibly the possible possible funding sources that we may want to consider again this is a workshop no decisions being made but an opportunity to really garner the input from all the council members and get a little bit of a direction moving forward so that's the kind of the overview tina as far as finance will be doing the revenue and expenditures the american rescue plan update uh she'll also be going over some of the capital improvements and the cip followed by uh immediately by the three strategic priorities that the city has had for the last five years we'll have um uh tina we'll move that to the next one uh what we'll have is going to be the the three priorities have been infrastructure economic development and public safety you'll you'll see that as far as infrastructure and public safety those are the parts that are the the expense to the city the economic development part of it has always been the discussion that we've had that uh actually addresses those expenditures what do we need to do in order to ensure that we can minimize the burden on the on the taxpayers to leave the tax rate the way it's been and by the way the tax rate has not changed over the past decade uh so that's always been a concentration you want to repeat that and then talk about that number i think you need to emphasize that the the tax rate has not increased uh has not changed over the past decade and that's at 776 per 100 valuations so again that is something that this conservative council has looked at and always said hey we want to make sure that we maintain uh the the rate uh we don't want to put more of a

[0:04:04] burden on our citizens so let's take a look at what we need to do to make that happen but uh with us in the same respects we also know that we have a lot of needs uh they need to be addressed uh infrastructure is the biggest one the biggest complaint we have is streets we hear it all the time so on our end we want to make sure that we address the needs that we have for the community again keeping in mind the tax burden as well with that said i guess i'm not there you go so today uh we'll have shane or patrick will be coming up here talking about the drainage uh the streets and the uh on the infrastructure portion of it and of course allison struby our water utilities director will be giving us an update on the water and wastewater uh economic development we have guy andrews uh and also actually aaron benoit is covering for john who is on vacation this week again a lot of great information a lot of great updates as far as where we are and also some of the needs that we'll have in the future to continue addressing the needs we have right now do you know if you'll go to the next one so again as i mentioned a while ago um the current strategies that we've had the the strategic priorities have been in place for five years um other priorities will be discussed at the end of the workshop after the presentations have been made and at that point we'll be finalizing strategic priorities and some funding funding options that we may want to look at no funding decisions will be made no ma'am no funding decisions today so again with that said that is the just a really quick overview i will open this up now to tina and i'll pass it to you ma'am tina dierski director of finance city's property tax rate again is that 0.776 per 100 valuation last year our certified values came in at just over 5.5 billion dollars at a 98 collection rate that means we budget almost 42 million dollars with about 5 million of that going to debt service and the remainder to mno we did see a 2.3

[0:06:06] percent increase uh for this fiscal year and that is with all the new appraisals that's out there this is this the most the most current one that is driving our current budget this is the current budget the year that we're in currently have you been provided with numbers for the 2022-23 projection from the tom greene county appraisal district to determine what percent increase might happen for next year's or this upcoming budget year and speaking with the chief appraiser city-wide values increased by an average about 30 percent statewide they increased by 25 so we're not alone with that um we did receive our very very preliminary rough estimates as far as valuations but we expect that to change quite a bit because we haven't pulled out the tiers we haven't pulled out debt service there's so many things you know people are appealing we're still in that process and so we don't really have a final number for that we don't receive that until july 25th usually so you have no numbers projected numbers for our 2022-23 budget i'm not comfortable throwing a number out there but i would say it would be at least in the area of two million dollars of increased revenue to the city and so this past year what was the dollar it's a 2.3 percent increase in the current budget year you're saying so what kind of dollar increase was that do you have that kimberly i want to say it was about 1.2 remember it went down to eight hundred thousand dollars it was uh less than one million dollars in terms of what we actually saw for the budget so we didn't even hit a million dollars if i'm not mistaken it was 870 some thousand dollars that we actually put into the budget for property tax dollars over the previous year yes kimberly's going to look that up just to confirm but i think you're correct that's in the ballpark and the state law is what is it relates two percent increases before it goes to the public so if the time green county appraisal district keeps the overall appraisals below 3.5 percent then that number

[0:08:11] is the number we accept if it goes over that number then we have to take it out to the public to vote to determine if they're willing to accept the overall appraisal increases yes they allow you also a three-year look back so for example last year we only hit 2.3 percent so you could capture that 1.2 it's it's kind of a complicated calculation but some number you could recapture from last year or the two years preceding um of course sb2 went into effect 2019 so we don't actually even have a full three years behind us but um but yes it would be capped at that three and a half percent plus maybe a little bit more um for recapturing from last year um and at that point you would either have to lower the tax rate to whatever that tax rate calculates to that keeps you at that cap or go to the voters but i will repeat also the city's percentage has not increased for over a decade 10 years so we have maintained a 0.776 property tax rate for over a decade so there have been no increases that's correct yes proceed and this is just your chart depicting and showing that growth um the 2020 u 2022 property tax revenue is projected um in this chart um but that just kind of gives you a graphic representation of where we were describe mno maintenance and operations and so we put 9.36 cents of our tax rate towards debt service and the .006 to the new street construction fund and the remainder goes for maintenance and operations for regular expenditures sales tax as of may we were over budget by 1.2 million dollars projecting flat to year end are not flat pardon me projecting with a 4.6 3 growth rate which has been our average growth rate uh at year end we'd be about 22.5 million dollars in sales tax revenue

[0:10:14] leaving a surplus of 2.1 million dollars not using the plan that's out there for the balance of the months that's based on budget what we budgeted but we budgeted sales tax down so the question mark is the year-to-date growth currently is 4.63 but what are you using you say year-to-date is 4.63 what are you using to determine the balance of the year the budget or last year's actual sales tax it's based on the year-to-date growth rate average last month it was down 0.75 right so you don't know whether we're going to continue to be conservative and flat or whether we're going to that's 0.75 is factored into the average as well so this is just a projection we're not planning but we need to understand what the projection is what it's based off is it based off a plan is it based off of last year's actuals what is it based off of we need to know the trend line it's based off of our current year okay growth average and this is just the chart again depicting that growth which when we look at that and you look at san angelo and we look at the other cities that we compare to our growth has been substantially less than the other five four cities that we compare to for this year correct yes and the next chart again is just that month-over-month revenue trend i'm just showing how we've you know month over month for each fiscal year how that looks and if there's no more questions on either of those we'll move on to general fund performance for the current year property tax is at 98 of what we budgeted sales tax at 61 we're currently 58 through the year so again that's

[0:12:18] positive um for this fiscal year alcohol and bingo tax french at 56 not why why is that not trending as well with the rest of the sales tax number i'm con bingo tax is somewhat c the alcohol tax is somewhat seasonal and the bingo tax comes in quarterly so this is only two quarters worth and yeah but it's excuse me every time we go into budget session you basically that seasonality is based on the the plan anyway the budget because the budget would be based off of the trend line from the previous years so the question mark would be with that in mind you would assume we'd be at 58 percent not 56 because we based off the trend line and that trend line would have been last year's performance so we see alcohol tax usually spike during summer months and so it should catch up by your end is what we would expect i know but my point is we don't budget on them we don't budget seasonality based on a monthly basis you don't base it off of last year's numbers which are seasonal numbers we do it on an annual basis though not monthly and so in those summer months when we see more revenue than we would in the winter months it should help us catch up to where we budgeted year to date okay um and then charges for services is that 40. i want to go back up to friend size tax because we have had all of these new people come into town laying fiber everywhere and so the question mark is all those people that are bringing fiber to the city do they pay the franchise tax so that in our next budget we would start to see more franchise tax being collected they um they are required by state law according to teresa uh to pay for franchise tax if they're using our rights of way and they are yes and so receive franchise tax from sun lake and frontier well we already do from suddenly yes but we have two or

[0:14:21] three other companies are in town lane fiber i would assume that they too would be adding to our franchise tax dollars once they once they start having sales is based on their total revenue so i think that they're not quite at that point yet but at that point yes they would be required by state law to remit do we need to be contacting them to find out when they anticipate that that i might ask brandon who the onus would be on do you have any idea if that would be no one can hear you you need to speak into the microphone if you would please yeah i'm sorry i'll have to look into that and see at what point they're supposed to either contact us or we reach out to them we need to know for our plans for 2022-23 what to anticipate yes ma'am that's a good question thank you now you can go under charges for service and my question is why is that down so much okay so a large part of it is that we haven't received the 1.7 million dollars that's been budgeted from the county uh with shane and his street reconstruction or i guess it's not street sealcoat uh project um so that's a big part of it um ambulance revenue lags a month and so that's usually about 300 000 dollars per month but i do know from speaking with chief brody that ambulance runs are down this year and so he's not entirely sure that we'll make that revenue budget this year and then municipal courts um another big so that is that in charges for services or other sources those are all under charges for services so talk about the municipal court numbers they're down quite a bit from last year and they are at let me see what percent budget they're at i have uh 43 as of the end of april they're 43 of their budget which would be under the budget by 1 million 394 901

[0:16:27] under the budgeted dollar amount that's correct and what does that mean i can't really speak to that myself it would be a question for the department but i would think it would mean that tickets and fines and fees are down in general daniel can you talk to that subject ma'am yeah the uh the the and i hate to reference it as basically when you go out there we receive our fine revenues through tickets that are written you know so the numbers have been trending down as far as the number of tickets uh we've taken a look at that as far as a number drop off i believe the number is like 10 000 ticket drop off over the past five years and that's significant for us because we see uh that revenue number dropped quite a bit and again that's something that of course is addressed with the through the police department but uh that's what we're seeing right now so when it it's so when we miss that revenue dollar amount which is the 1 million i just said 1 million 394 000 so when we don't hit that revenue source there then what happens and where's that money come from to make up for that shortfall it's all general fund mayor i mean basically the moneys that come in from the general fund which this this item of course anything going into the municipal corp as far as the fees and what have you is included in the general fund so we project for that that revenue and when that revenue drops down downward we have to decrease our expenditures on on the other side or move monies around to cover the expenditures necessary for that without one area so again what pays for the overhead of municipal court a lot of it does come and i mean basically has come in through the through the fees of the fines that has actually covered those expenditures for the past i mean for the longest time actually yes we uh budget we we group municipal court in under public safety um in in our blue book and our financial statements and so that general fund revenue is what covers any of those expenditures

[0:18:32] okay do i have questions from other council members at this point considering this general fund revenue because this is the big these are the big dollars this is what funds a lot so do you have questions concerning this revenue because this revenue will be the same line items that we use to figure out what we can or cannot afford in the next budget session question mayor yes please or whomever tina daniel if we have to make a transfer to uh cover the shortfall in the municipal court does that just come out of reserves is that we just pull it out of reserves do we have a savings account for that specifically where from where does that actually i mean yeah i mean it definitely could come from reserves because we do have our fund balance that's built up and we have a healthy fund balance but again we want to make sure that we maintain that especially for our credit rating we want to make sure that that unbalances where it is so yeah it does affect us that way i mean we have to we have to use some of those monies either reserves or by reducing expenditures in other areas or obviously increasing revenue in another line okay thank you lucy um tina you said that that the municipal court revenue was down from last year so last year it was one point we're down 1.3 million this year's budget uh it's actual revenue from this year's budget but we were down last year and the year before as well and then going into next year we have already received revenue budgets from the departments and they have are they are projecting a 70 000 decrease next year as well so that again tina seventy thousand dollar decrease for their revenue budget for uh 22-23 okay and do do you happen to have at your fingertips what the um decrease was uh in 2122 and 2021. do you happen to have that what in the actual budget in the uh yeah performance yeah the actual performance what we actually did receive really has that just one second

[0:20:36] give us the past two years 21 to 22 a decrease of 65 000 from the plan the budget yeah but what was the actual from the year before because budgets just a number we put out there what i want to know is actual revenue versus actual revenue what was the actual revenue and the decrease in the revenue not the budget okay she's she's gonna work on that just give me the meanwhile karen has a question okay you may have already mentioned this and if you did please excuse me but i um would like to know what what you can attribute to the shortfall to over a period of three years is it capture rate on tickets issued or people are just behaving better well with speaking with municipal court um i think it's a combination less tickets being issued um i don't i can't speak to the behavior element that would be a question for pd or municipal court um but looking at the number of tickets issued we've looked at that recently and that has absolutely decreased as well sorry we're trying to think of the best way to find that so she's going to pull up the year on your blue book where's your the year-end blue books and compare those in the blue book it's a grouping of

[0:22:39] several accounts and so that's what's making a little bit more well in our blue book all we see is one line that says municipal court right that contains multiple accounts that add up into fines and fees do you want me to move on to expenditures while she looks or just so 21 actuals was 2 million 171 2527 for 2020 right so the 1920 budget actual actuals yes it was 2527 in the next year which would have been 2021 was 2 million 171 000 and right now the projection for 21 22 is what we don't have a good way to project that well right now year to date you're at a million bucks and so you you're october november december january february march april seven months into it and you're a million three off of it so if you're seven months down yeah if you want me to just do a straight line monthly basis yeah that'd be great tina 200 000 a month my god

[0:25:04] about 660 short of the year before of what they budgeted so not so sixty thousand sure of the budgeted number yeah so that 1.39 at your end would probably read somewhere around the 660. just flat flat line calculation okay all right any other questions or comments rough estimate but it gives you an idea yeah and not seasonal yeah i don't know how seasonal that would be okay all right go ahead and move on to expense expenditures public safety are they're right at 58 of their expenditure budget which is where they should be at this point in the year uh public works is at 41 public services at 52 development services at 57 neighborhood and family service is at 56 percent health at 60 government at 54 and administration and transfers both at 58 that's a percent of the budget not a percent of actual from the year before correct that's correct and on the one public works is 41 can we talk about that for a minute yes not that we don't mind being less but right we would expect that it would not be 41 by the time the year was over so let's just talk about what we're anticipating the biggest accounts under uh public works are street and bridge and so i am [Music] guessing that is sealcoat oh here's shane shane to the rescue we haven't at this point we haven't done sealcote project yet and so that's uh that'll be about 3.53.6 million so that will once

[0:27:07] that expenditure um comes out we'll see we'll see us trending almost right where right where we're supposed to be and so the sealcoat program that's not in that right now talk about when it's going to start and when the public will start to see the silk program the silk ha-5 has been applied already which is a small portion of the actual silicone program but the traditional chip seal will actually start here in about two to three weeks we're expecting them to move in about between the second and third week in june and start the program so we we should start seeing seeing that happen here pretty quick and then of course by the time they get that out it'll be mid july mid to late july by the time they get through with that and we'll start seeing then we'll start seeing those invoices come in and we'll start paying paying those invoices and so probably as we start finishing up in into our budget season uh we'll start seeing those numbers climb up closer to the percentage of year to date you want to remind everybody where that steel coat is being done um the majority of the seal coat work will be done in the southland and around lake nazworthy in that area this year there'll be a few other streets around town but that's the majority of the work will be in those areas okay other questions for shane while he's here as it relates to public works and the uh expenditure line on current budget okay all right oh wait lucy can you explain to me the health that's at 60 percent what is this health can what is it what's that yeah uh health is the the health department and that is on the health administration line which has an encumbrance which means it's it's been committed but not yet paid so it's just making it look a little over inflated meaning what do we do that means that there's a that means there's a contract

[0:29:10] in existence and that we've budgeted the full amount of the contract but not yet actually paid the entire contract and so that inflates the percentage a little bit that contract is with who he's where we run the health department so there's a lot of things sometimes for medication for drugs that we get in the microphone if you would so did you get all that drugs that we can add our shannon that we work with for the health department facilities other questions from council okay move on [Music] here's our bar chart that we show you every year every year depicting that property taxes makes up 47 percent of our general fund revenue budget was sales tax coming in second at 25 percent of our general fund revenue budget followed by other taxes and then miscellane charges for service and miscellaneous um revenues okay so i think this is one that a council we need to really pay attention to because these are statistics and percentages that we really need to focus on in 2017 are the amount of the money spent from property tax and sales tax for public serv safety was at 54 so that means that of all the revenue we take in from property tax and sales tax you combine those two lines 56 percent of that money pays for fire and police and it has increased from 54 percent in 2017. so that means where most of the general fund revenue or the funds that we have to work with has decreased even though the revenue has increased because a larger percent of it's going to public safety well and mayor another point that that probably is worth making um is what our total revenue is just

[0:31:14] from the ad valorem tax which i believe is about 37 38 million well so i said the combination of property tax which increased about 800 000 last year i don't remember from two years ago and then the sales tax revenue if you combine those two that revenue dollar amount 58 56 of it has gone to pay for the needs that we've all approved for fire and police so i think so growing sometimes the the the citizens think that what they pay in property tax covers a lot of things it does not cover the police and fire budgets correct it takes all of that plus some of the sales tax dollars a good bit of the sales tax to cover that so yes so just so everybody's aware you know all the property tax that is paid does not cover the police and fire budgets yeah tommy you're correct the property tax revenue budget for this year is less than 37.4 million dollars the total public safety budget currently is 45.7 million i think strategically what we need to be focusing on is we need to keep that percentage at 56 percent we can't keep letting that number grow our revenue is growing so it becomes a bigger dollar amount so it's not reducing the dollar allocation it is living within that number and making sure we maintain that because we can't keep doing that does that make sense yeah okay and then expense by type this is the other item that we need to really focus on as city council and that is already if you combine property tax dollars sales tax dollars and look at all of the personnel that we have inclusive of fire and police and all of the personnel that we have now takes up 71 percent of the revenue so if you look at those numbers you see

[0:33:22] what's left over to run the city with would that be correct explain it better terms than i'm explaining it well uh personnel is always going to be of course the largest expenditure for any city uh 71 percent that's about that's about the number that you have but you're correct as far as the remainder the amount that's left over is to um is for the other functions of the city of course personnel is throughout all the city and all the departments and all the divisions you know so it comes out of those but there's an amount uh the 29 percent that's used toward the running of the the city as well and i would say daniel that this i would point out that this is personnel in the general fund and the general fund would be more personnel heavy because we provide more services from the general fund than goods yes but that's where it exactly but that is where the revenue is so your property tax dollars and your sales tax dollars are in that general fund the total revenue that we have to work with which is that first sheet if you go back to that first sheet right there so of that actual amount and the forecasted amount for the budget those are the dollars which we have to work with to pay for fire and police which we've already said is 56 plus which is inclusive of the overall personnel which is 71 percent of that revenue so if all of that revenue you can see the largest percent of it is your property tax dollars and your sales tax dollars that's correct so the city is doesn't generate revenue it accepts revenue it receives revenue and that's the revenue that will be used to pay for all the overhead and expense of running and managing the city okay just to be sure and finally um for the financial side of things um the american rescue plan act as you're aware we your u.s council designated 8.5 million of

[0:35:26] that for the college hills drainage portion of the project there's still an unassigned balance of just over 8.1 million dollars that council still has discretion for using for other projects they have to be obligated by december 31 2024 and they must be expended by december 31 2026 and there are some limitations on the uses of the funding but i think we'll delve into this a little bit deeper after daniel has time to talk with you about what your priorities are well when we get through the other presentations and stuff so we're not making any decisions on funding today so it's just the number we're not making decisions today on funding that's right so let's just be clear all right next next we will move into the capital improvement plan portion of our discussion um department directors and managers are asked every year to submit any projects that they feel will be needed to be completed within the next five years and so these projects that we've gathered are based on their presentations and their recommendations currently this year they have submitted 47 active projects and the amount of 448 million dollars that they believe will need to be either started or completed within five years and 51 projects totaling 100 million dollars that are further out beyond that time frame and the active projects the 448 million they've been funded so how could they be active projects if they're not funded they're they're considered active if they if the department director or manager that submits it believes that it must be either started or completed within a five-year time period and so this list here is kind of showing you how those are broken out oh i'm sorry kimberly's correcting me over here active means that they will they believe that they will either start or complete it within the current year so some are partially funded but not fully i'm sorry because that's the

[0:37:28] confusing part if we say we have 448 million out there that's active it means that we have found the money to finance those is that correct or not correct the cip is not a funding plan it is i know it's not but that your description of what that 448 million is is sounds like it's active based off of kimberly's say that again kimberly they've been begun or about to begin but are not fully funded so how do they begin if they're not fully funded that means that they'll probably be coming back to city council in the near term to find a way to fund it or they might be paying for the design phase within the next year and not necessarily the entire project all right so we're going to go through those now we can go into those or we can focus on any of these general um departmental you know totals and delve into it over here if you want to what we can do is we can start going through this list and and asking questions about it and then at the end well we'll because that's their 448 million right there so but it says active and then proposed and then totals 548 million kimberly can actually pull up our software on the screen if you'd like to get that into it or we can have um the department directors come up and kind of tell what are the big things in their line items it's up to you however you want to let's start with our department managers coming up and describing from it because i think that would be great you want to start in this order with allison we're basically saying we have 448 million we're either active or starting to so i think and there's partial funding or not funding i'm not sure which is partial and what's not but let's talk through it because that's a big number okay alice we'll start at the top of the list with allison let us know which project you'd like to

[0:39:54] start with on that list our treatment plant improvement projects these are ongoing maintenance items so this is something that we budget capital dollars for replacement each year this year we do already have our contractor to replace the clear wells which is another cip project listed in here but the hickory expansion and all of those type improvements work into this water treatment plant project the time frame on that say that again contracts are signed and executed and notice to proceed has already begun uh the clear wells may not happen uh till later this year until we get into the winter season but we are already breaking ground so to speak on hickory expansion and clearwell construction and material ordering the north concho river wastewater system improvement so we've done wastewater uh trunk main improvements now up to santa fe park or to the golf course itself um and then that's where our sulfur uh draw lift station ties into this next uh portion of that wastewater improvement project goes through the park near central or not freshman campus near central campus under the loop and there is a lift station there is our shiloh lift station one of our largest lift stations and it would ultimately take that lift station offline and offload everything into the trunk main that one is in design phase or soon to be bringing to you for design phase so that's why it's in the active category live station improvements as kim is showing on the screen is just ongoing pump and motor uh replacement of our lift stations uh wet well rehab uh basically we put in close to 200 000 if

[0:41:59] not a little bit more into lift stations each year and just their ongoing maintenance backtruck is a one of our largest pieces of machinery that we own in the sewer department it is i think a little over four hundred thousand dollars for that unit but it cleans and vacuum is in the name but um it does vacuum work yes vacuumed out uh wastewater um in lines that get clogged up for various reasons for for rags grease any of those type of debris water reclamation plant improvements so this is also each year we dedicate more funding to pumps and motors and large pieces of machinery at our wastewater plant but this one is also very high as a part of the concho river water project and so as a part of my presentation later we'll we'll go through that but it is to upgrade that facility to meet discharge quality requirements to dump into the concho river hickory expansion project that kim was scrolling over so as i've stated the expansion project has started the drilling of at least one well we do have one drill rig set up and ready to go and so we are currently in the active mode of expanding that project from 8 million gallons a day to 12. and then the lake nas where the sewer system project again is a part of the sewer expansion to the airport in lake nasworthy areas to offload one to be able to handle additional capacity reduce lift stations that we have in the area and to provide the backbone of sewer service to an area that has historically not had sewer service are those the active projects that i have

[0:44:00] and just for everyone's information most of your projects are either paid for from the water you want to describe the funding for these projects that's out there right now allison yes ma'am all the funding from the water and wastewater projects come from rate payers not from any tax dollars so they are all from the water and wastewater consumption and the usage by our customers we do receive a little bit of funding from costa dc through the half cent sales tax but that's dedicated mainly towards water supply projects such as the west texas water partnership thank you so mayor that was 213 million of the 448 the next biggest one is 202 million dollars from engineering um those two make up about 415 of the 448 so those are the two big ones if you want to go through engineering as well yeah and then they'll do better more thorough presentations when they talk about the aries but since we talked about that big number i think people have a right to know what the projects are and the funding sources for those within the engineering there's some of these that that kind of spill over into the water utility as well too they're not all street related or traffic related but we do have um the a m water line replacement there's there's quite a few of those of course that is the entire length of the a m we just brought that to you at the last council meeting for that number was like 4.6 million something like that it was that yeah it was 4.7 was the after we after we got the bid in yes ma'am um and there's there's quite a few um this is also for the um out there old crystal road uh out there the at the state where the state is widening the road right now we're having to design

[0:46:03] and actually replace the water uh water and sewer sewer lines out there underneath that roadway that they're rebuilding and so that's part of part of this as well too that's estimated at 5.2 i believe 5.26 that's just the utility piece of it because the mpo picks up the other cost right the state the state is picking up the other cost through some of our mpo dollars as well correct yes ma'am for the reconstruction of the road itself we're responsible for the utility the next one is randolph waterline replacement this goes from the other side just the other side of the river which actually this side of the river on randolph street and we'll take it all the way to just north of the loop it's an old cast iron main for replacement and so that's that's on that one 6.96.7 million estimated on that one right now do you have a designated time frame or funding source for that one it's they're currently in design on that and the funding source would be the water utility okay the next one we just have street construction general we have several several streets out there looking at future for design as well in the design phase of it as we come along this is kind of a place this is more of a placeholder for us and so as we have those streets we have issues come up like when we had the winter storm and we and we had to go in and replace you know the council authorized a million dollars for going in there and doing that work that way we have a placeholder within the cip for basically general road construction estimated again just a little over 6 million but again this is more of a general placeholder so we're not having to come back and amend the cip out of turn or in a hurry we have a placeholder where we can work on do

[0:48:06] general street work as well too so again not necessarily an identified funding source as of yet but those will be identified as needed as we have this general placeholder because we do the real console project that we have out here going right now was one of those that we actually were able to work under under this line item because they were not bond funded dollars they were actually o m dollars that we had had saved up to to do this roadway so do this project with storm water quality improvement projects we have those identified some of those that identify the foster road we have another um oh it's just general another general construction so again if we do find the money and of course we do we've been watching for hazard mitigation grant dollars and things like that where we can start looking to address some of those issues like the foster road issue and some of those that we have identified in our hazard mitigation plan and so as in we'll talk about a little bit about that in the drainage updates but again those it's basically just a general placeholder for those type of projects as well too and as the funding comes available that's when we would use them but again we're closely watching those grants out there to try to capitalize on those as we can so most of the projects that you're talking about today are already funded projects either through water some of those some of those were these these two were these two are not necessarily funded but all the water ones are yes ma'am they're or they're being prepared to be funded in the near future as as the design designs are completed and we bid them out okay uh foster road reconstruction uh we have that in design currently right now we do not have a dedicated funding source for this but again we're getting it in design right now again hopefully looking for those hazardous mitigation dollars and those grants as they become available and also and i'll mention this a little bit later but we're we are closely watching a lot of

[0:50:09] grant opportunities right now with the new infrastructure bill coming down from the federal government there is going to be a lot of granting opportunities and we want to make sure that a lot of these grants you have to have shelf ready projects and so we do have this project in design currently so again if we do have those granting opportunities available that we can that we can capture that this is a another stormwater project the sunset lake and parkview lake dredging improvements um again we've been working on this trying to save up money within our existing o m budgets to to complete these projects and we have enough money in our in our stormwater fund balance right now we we're hoping we have our fingers crossed to uh uh set aside to to accommodate these projects right what's the time frame on that uh they're they're currently in design right now we hope to have those out this fall and be ready to bid early fall is our goal if we can we want to make sure we dredge in the in the winter months is our preference so reconstruction of jack jackson from knickerbocker uh the to the railroad tracks to knickerbocker on jackson this was uh we have some set aside monies from when the chick-fil-a uh put in the new chick-fil-a at that corner uh portion of of yeah there was they had to allocate certain monies for actually in lieu of doing the construction work at that time and so this has been uh this is one of the projects that's on our list it's um it's it we were looking at designing it in-house because it is such a short small strip however uh currently due to personnel issues or the lack thereof uh we're probably going to have to look at getting an engineering firm to help us out on this one as well too so it should go in design here real soon we have i believe we got another two years

[0:52:12] uh before we would actually forfeit that money back to chick-fil-a so we want to make sure we get that done and then of course now we're getting into getting into some of our bonding projects here reconstruction of avenue inn from sherwood way to south chadburn next one is millen overlay of sunset and from foster road to loop 306 we do have some and there will be some reconstruction in that as well too it won't be all just milling over there would be some construction but again uh part of our bond part of our bond projects that is part of the bond of the 80 billion dollar bond project yes this this is a bond project the mill and overlay of smith boulevard from pulliam to gordon is also one of our bond projects coming up that will probably be in our year 10 letting so that project still weighs out it has not started design yet milling overlay of howard street from glenda to sherwood way uh and a lot of these will go over some well we'll go over some of this with in presentation later again another bond project it is in design we're at 90 percent we should have uh we should have finals in probably 90 days and be ready to bid that project out so that one will be coming up real quick millen overlay of east harris from avenue inn to abe street through the downtown area over to bell street that is going to be a year 10 project in the bond project next one is mill and overlay of glenda dr edmund and 29th that again that shane when you say it's part of that of 80 million because i think we're not are we in our third year or fourth year of that we are fixing i believe we're in the fourth issue of five yeah okay and then it will be the fifth would go is two years from today so this is

[0:54:15] 2022 so in 2020 four basically would be the last the last yeah the last should be these that you've yes when i say year 10 that's the last issue that's that's correct yes ma'am uh this one on glen edmond and glenda drive edmond and 29th street goes all the way from houston heart all the way to chadburn it's going to be a a really large project as well too it is in design uh we had the 60 uh design review about two weeks ago and so we're in that process currently right now hopefully that will be ready to go to bid this winter and so we'll get that one done next one milling overlay of chadburn from loops 306 to 43rd that is in its final design phase right now i'm not going to say 100 but we're 90 99 uh waiting on uh waiting on working with txdot rail division for one final piece of the puzzle uh which will basically take us from the railroad tracks um there at the just south of 67 because it's not 306 right there txdot well let you know but just south 67th railroad tracks all the way to 43rd so that that project is gosh we're just waiting on that one final piece of the puzzle and that one will be ready to bid and then the next one [Music] uh sewer main replacements uh again just a a a general placeholder as as we run into issues and have issues that's just a general placeholder for that again would come out of the sewer fund if if those are identified and necessary stormwater avenue p that is now finished and we're ready to close that one out so yes and then reconstruction of college hills boulevard currently the project just started i noticed if you if you're in that area uh starting to see the congestion in the

[0:56:19] traffic and uh we actually did have to close the road uh for a portion of the road today uh from nine to four but it should be opening up here well hopefully it's opened up already it's 403. so hopefully it's open back up and we'll back up to two-way traffic again so but again that project's just starting again remind everybody it's a 30-month project so uh reconstruction that's utilities and street total reconstruction correct correct yes and dealing with the flooding and and and drainage issues just ma'am uh it's it's a it's a very large project for us so very excited about it reconstruction of bell street from concho river doe ballinger highway that has been completed i have a couple of small sections of sidewalks we've been waiting on utility been working with utilities to try to finalize those and get the get the last signal installation there at um real concert drive in bell street get those signals up but other than that the road is complete it's opened up and it's actually pleasant to drive again so we we we've anxiously been awaiting that uh next one million overlay of southwest boulevard again this one is currently in construction and and we're kind of uh getting towards the end of it now finishing up right there at the low water crossing uh to the loop we do have to reap we're going to have to rip out and rebuild um the the intersection at green meadow in southwest that's still left to do it'll take place uh they'll do half the road and then come over and do the other half of that intersection and then once that's complete the only thing that will be left on that project to complete it we'll be working down there by lamar elementary at the railroad tracks and we're we are working with texas pacifico on that one currently right now trying to coordinate

[0:58:21] the two efforts there's someone had said to me that one of the when frontier was working on laying fiber on southland that they broke a big water lane bank line and consequently water seeped underneath the new construction that we'd already done and create a big bubble there in the street from the excess water is that true and if so who pays for that since we just did it i have not uh i have not been made aware of that uh but if that is true we will go out there um and we'll we'll find it out but we will charge them back for the repair that we will if we have to cut that out and re redo it we will charge them back i believe that was a green valley in southland and i said southland i just didn't know where on southlands yeah it buckled the asphalt there but it was not new construction but now they have finished with that small project as i understand it okay okay so it's okay if you just look at that we'll take a look at it and again any any repairs we any repairs we need to make we'll either they will either repair them or we'll we'll repair them and charge that back to them i think as we talk through all these projects all of us are concerned that with the amount of work and money that we've put into these new projects and we know that the damage that's being done by all these companies that are laying fiber we're hoping that they've been told and know to get this stuff done before we redo these streets because we can't afford to redo again yes ma'am and unfortunately some of these are especially these new companies that are coming into town and or some of the fiber but we are working with them what we actually do with all of our utilities franchise utilities we do actually meet with them uh for several months prior to or actually during design uh the design

[1:00:24] phase of any project we meet with all franchise utilities to coordinate with them to make sure that anything that we're doing within our whether it's water lines or sewer lines or street if we're widening streets or adding sidewalks or drainage that we're working with them to make sure that they're moving their utilities out of our way and that their utilities are being replaced prior to if they need to be prior to us doing any work on our streets and so we do do that now with the new installations and with these two new companies coming into town that's it's kind of throwing a a wrinkle in our process but we are reaching out to all of them and working with them prior to construction questions for shane i mean i this list keeps keeps going on forever so i'm gonna stop right now because i think there's a questions comments from someone karen i have two questions for shane um early in your presentation you mentioned several times that you're watching grant yes ma'am possibilities for your department and we all appreciate that of course so thank you for that my question however is how valuable would it be and would it create further efficiencies in your department if you had a grant writer this is something here and i've asked a couple of times because i feel like right now with the infrastructure bill that's been passed by the federal government that the number of grand opportunities is larger than ever and it really takes a keen focus so i think shane you reassigned someone in your department right i have reassigned i have reassigned our operations analyst to to primarily focus on those um i'm not going to say that that that position or that person is actually a grant writer per se but you know i as many of these opportunities are coming our way we've had to shift focus of personnel to to actually just watch them all of them uh because there are so many of them and and

[1:02:26] there's so many different uh requirements for each one of them and so it's kind of been one of those things that we've actually had to assign somebody to do it but a grant writer uh somebody that is a dedicated grant writer that that's what they do and they've been trained to do would be an amazing help because though they the techn the technical portions of that is a special skill set for sure it is uh my second question is for the public and me as the newcomer if you could give us uh an expanded definition of placeholders in your budgeting process in the cip in this in our cip process um for us to do work the uh almost reconstruct the street or to build a new street or any of those things where we're going to expend large capital dollars on those things it has to be there has to be a project placed in the cip before we can actually spend dollars on those projects and so that's why we put these we call them a placeholder in there to where we're talking about water and water main replacement sewer main replacements or street reconstruction rehabilitation efforts that way that we're not having to come back and amend uh the cip every time something becomes available for us to do or again if there's an emergency or something like that to where we need to get in there and do something quickly uh it's already built into our cip process and so and the plan it doesn't mean it's in it'll say not financed or funds not designated but it will list it as a project and it will list it as an approximate dollar amount attached to that project gets it in the cip and then and then if if it is one of those if it's something that is that we're not you know that we haven't anticipated and it goes over those dollar amounts then then yes we will bring that back as an amendment to the cip process before before we'll actually move forward with that project as well

[1:04:28] thank you and i will add karen that um the projects of a certain dollar threshold the bigger projects are required by our charter to be in the cip before a department can complete them or start them thank you other questions at this point shane do you um i think the largest dollar amount that was in that 448 million which was that chart that we saw earlier you have gone through and described and i think you've exceeded that 448 million that has been what they called partially funded or funding designated so i you can go through the rest of this as you're doing your presentation if you want or you can continue now and not have to do it then so you you decide since we're on it might be best just to keep on going yeah i think we're wrapping up the engineering here it looks like we're wrapping those up so again uh another one here we have the of course the full depth reclamation real concho which is going on currently right now we're keeping our fingers crossed uh this is the new pro the new uh full depth recommendation process it's it's not it's not a new process but it's this is a it's the first time we are using it and it's also kind of an improved version of the old process and so um we're looking at that keeping our fingers crossed this project has moved very quickly um and so and we believe based on talking uh not only to reese but also their subcontractor that they brought in that specializes in this process and looking at some of the test results that we're seeing on the base the base right now road based right now it's really looking positive and the and how quick they are able to do this and get the turnaround time is is just amazing uh they're they're hoping reese albert if the weather holds they're hoping to be through um by the end of the week or first to next uh with pavement back on the ground so that's fast it is fast so we're really excited

[1:06:31] about that process and hopefully we'll be able to use it in other areas lucy would have liked that done today yeah you would have gotten here faster right on time yes traffic the next one mill and overlay of johnson street again part of our bond bond funding projects that is not in design yet that will be a year 10 project we have started talking to engineering firms to look at start start the design work on it but again that that's going to be a a year 10 project as well another placeholder for water main replacements right below that and then reconstruction oh and then the downtown chadburn this phase two of the downtown chavern project so and that is actually of course the initial design was part of phase a b and c and so all of those are all of those are done and and we're just again uh trying to finalize some funding on that one project but we believe that'll that'll go here in the near future all right questions comments questions a lot of work yeah quick comment mirror um he did all that without notes he has it all memorized that he did that well i was known so that's incredible we haven't even got into operations yet great job thank you so on that 448 million that we were talking about you can see that if you first glance at that it seems like an overwhelming amount of dollars and amount of money but the largest part of that is already in a game plan of funding so the dollars were there or been planned for okay next we'll switch back over to the presentation please kimberly okay so we will be um publishing this

[1:09:29] draft cip online and reaching out to the public for any comments um questions they may have wait a minute go back because we did on that go back this one so we did water utilities we did engineering let's hear about airport do you want kimberly to pull back up the website for him okay no you can't no no jeremy you can't use anything you got to pull a shane you can't do that yeah it would be good to pull it back up so everyone's on the same page the only active project i've got right now is our terminal security system the camera upgrade to the terminal for 500 000 and that's security right that's security terminal only yeah are the gates included in that or not yep it includes all the gates all the doors it's cameras and a full security system and that's being funded through the cares act through faa dollars what you might take the opportunity to do jeremy is i know at the last city council meeting we had someone offer some comments on some issues at the airport which i'd like your feedback on that you sent us all information on it but i think the public should hear that information so we're on the same page on that we can do that you want that now good okay i will have a memo out to you on for your friday packet so you'll all get the full story but basically he was concerned with the condition of the asphalt if you've been out there on the south side of the airport down by what we call the precision hangars there's two private hangars down there they're not city hangers we do have a ground lease with them it's a raw land lease but under the raw land lease they're required to maintain that

[1:11:32] asphalt so it's the hangar association's responsibility to maintain that asphalt and not the city's responsibility this individual was not aware so i highlighted that as he is one of the tenants to the hangar association it did state in his lease that they are responsible to maintain that asphalt he was concerned about a downed power line it's not a down power line it's a communications line and it just sits right on the peak it's a it's a frontier line sits on the peak of each one of the hangars he was also concerned about the hangar door that blew off we did have one hanger door that blew off it was one of our t-hangers the skyline leases from us the hanger was not pinned and latched appropriately that's why the hanger door fell off we had a welder come the next day pick it back up reattach it and it was working operational he did bring up the concern about the asphalt around rt hangers the ranger hangers just the rest of the the general use area that is old asphalt we're working through our txdot ramp grant every year to do a crack seal and seal coat project on it to rejuvenate the asphalt so we do have issues but we have plans and funding to cover it anybody have questions for jeremy thank you okay all right and then the next go back to that capitol um next we could look at operations that was the next on the list that'll be shane or patrick do you have any projects that are only five hundred thousand dollars this first one yes um we recently purchased a new emergency mobile command trailer for the city

[1:13:37] we want to actually build a basically a shed to put it in a barn to put it in along with pd's emergency trailer just leaving them out in the sun and the weather is is really hard on them also keeping the batteries charged and a lot of those other things that we need dedicated storage space so this was placed into the cip for for basically a structure to cover those assets next on city hall annex 34 east harris the old standard times building this is looking for the rehabilitation of that for the design and also for the construction of the rehabilitation of that for a new annex for the utilities and basically all of public works as well as um the the communications department um and and the fire marshal's office and uh we also are looking at uh the possibility uh with enough room that we could actually uh possibly move the elc operations into this facility as well too and they're currently out at the airport in the old faa building correct and so that's that one uh and then the next one is uh the new uh basically we're currently working on looking at a new um landfill a new permitted landfill and so this is the expenditure for that estimated expenditure currently what's a time frame on that looking at three to five years uh it's it's it's a long drawn out process and um it's it just it takes a while to get through the permitting and and all the testing that you have to do so how many years do you have left on the current landfill on the technically on the

[1:15:41] um on our uh post-closure closure and post-closure uh report uh we have eight years and it's tough to judge when you start getting down to this um our year-over-year intake at the landfill has increased quicker uh at a quicker rate than what we uh have expected it to do and so we've been trending a lot a lot steeper than what we have and so uh we're [Music] but we're we're going to go with eight years you're not looking at two are you no no no stop taking your trash out there tommy causing a problem he was he was hedging his bats i'm thinking is he gonna come out with two no no no no we're not so [Laughter] we're i think we're in good shape so that was it okay that was it for operations up next on that list was fort concho carl white i have a question for shane sir patrick and i talked a little bit about this and this particular landfill i was under the impression that we were going to use the area that was east of the current landfill to develop that i wonder if you want to talk to that so that everybody's kind of aware we have a contract on that land to sell it oh to yeah just to the north we we've gone through the rfp process um and are working through that right now um uh on that covered that an executive session last meeting of the meeting before and so yeah and so but we were looking at the land to the east as an alternative side as well for a new landfill new permanent landfill it did have some environmental issues uh attached to it and so um the and of course ownership as well too but

[1:17:43] with this with the area that we are looking at now those there wasn't any environmental issues with it so thank you [Music] okay this is fort concho barracks three and four with the mess halls reconstruction this is an active project and it is fully funded it is underway as we speak should have substantial completion this year next project fort concho visitor center we have the uh basically the site plan for how those can be redeveloped barracks one and two into a visitor center and interpretive center we have half cents sales tax that's how it's been funded the next step is actual construction documents for that so that's the next step it is an active project we do have has sales tax again for that to do the actual reconstruction and improvements we will need to acquire some additional funding but we intend to do fundraising for that how much of half cent sales tax is committed to that it was a million dollars originally there's about 800 000 left yes so that won't cover everything but it's definitely going to cover design and a good chunk of the improvements but i have more so those were the active projects for fort concho while carl's here we could go through his parks and rex projects if you'd like these are active park projects

[1:19:59] yes this is fully funded it's ongoing we're under the design phase of this project it's largely a tpwd trail grant with some funding that we had some matching funding 40 000 the rest is matching funding it's for trail improvements and trail signage and trail trailheads a shade shelter at twin buttes recreational lands working with tpwd and the bureau it's ongoing next please dog park pavilion this one's fully funded um we had a gracious donor donate the funding for this 75 000 it's ongoing it's the next project we're going to tackle after we finish the renovation of the construction of the new playground at united park which should be finished here mid-june we'll begin that project right after that it's an in-house project that's fully funded i know the original dog park was but are you saying this piece of the dog park pavilion is also funded i'll leave private funding riverbank ongoing we have a little over a million dollars for this we're still under the design portion uh it's we're having to make an assessment to see if we have to do the assessment to see if there's any impact on the river itself so that's taken a little the time we have funding to do and some grant funding and some funding council previously allocated as well as a little bit of have since sales tax to do this project what i want to make sure we do is because a couple of the areas where there was river bank stabilization by

[1:22:01] the time we got to it totally collapsed the sidewalk and everything we need to make sure we don't get to the point it's collapsed and it's a much more expensive project so that when we evaluate this riverbank stabilization do we have a priority list still going on so we can tack i you know again i don't want to see collapsed sidewalks into the river as well as the trees and and i mean we just need to deal with it earlier on we do and as you stated mayor earlier in council meetings there were some hot spots as we called them and shane and his crew as well as some others addressed those to try to stop the erosion if you walk that whole stretch of the river we got issues that we need to address and there's no way you can stop it all this we will eventually but we're going to have to continually send some allocations this way what they're doing with the design is actually designing a further piece because you have to do these low mark clone mars all these kind of things to show that you don't impact the water rising and floods and so forth so they're trying to get more of it approved in this process so that as you allocate funds we'll be able to take those quickly for construction so yes we are looking at those hot spots still though to make sure we try to stop those as best we can we had some orange netting up at this point on any of those things that's down isn't it there's a little piece is there one spot yeah there was earlier when like it was last year or something there were several spots over here and they addressed those i don't want to see we can't let them get that far down the road before we attack them we'll be coming back to y'all as as this design comes in place so then we'll start the actual construction at that point we'll probably be asking you all to look further down the road and how we want to address those we watch for the grants but sometimes if we have some funding allocated it makes easier for them to actually attack those grants

[1:24:03] when they come available okay next up is recreation for carl as well this is the old girls fast pitch complex site it's we still call it 29th street sports complex but it doesn't even touch 29th street but it's along the river it's this is a renovation of this site but it's really a very low-level renovation uh to provide open practice space for things like baseball softball soccer football and make a connection across the river to kirby community park it's it's basically to allow us to make use more usable this open space for sports practice primarily for youth and this is half cent sales tax funded i think tom we were looking at trying to figure out how we could get that bridge connecting kirby park over here to this facility and i don't know if we got very far down the road you've had a couple meetings about this just within the past 60 days what i'd say and that is in the bid process unfortunately it's not our local vendor that's across the street yeah which is what irritates me but yeah it's in the process the design on this al torres is doing in-house so we're working on that trying not to expend as much dollars when we get to construction drawings and those kind of things we have to have some of that done but al has been doing all that work and he's coordinating with tom it's in his district and then we're not too far off from probably bringing that to council for a look at it and go from there i think that is a key part of making this really function okay good next the new filtration system for the municipal pool uh council funded this a couple of months ago the system is on order it's to arrive mid to end of this month and hopefully

[1:26:08] we're planning to be back online early in july so it's ongoing and it's funded and i think that's all for carl's active projects and we can move on to the fire department they did submit brody we want him to do that during his regular we can yeah chief we can do that during the fire and the police the same thing because those tie in a little bit better and animal services i think morgan or bob solis may be here she's here good afternoon good afternoon what i've submitted for uh rehabilitation of the animal shelter is a partial very soft voice what i've submitted for the animal shelter rehabilitation is a partially funded project i think we've proposed the total project cost to be three hundred forty five thousand dollars two hundred thousand is currently funded for uh renovations to the uh processing room and garage to make it functional to how we use the building today um and then there's a 145 000 unfunded component related to a large hvac improvement project to improve the air quality inside the building that's included in the 300 350. okay is that it on it yeah other than that there was a project submitted by facilities maintenance i think that's upgraded to cameras and security systems for a hundred thousand dollars security for where well can you pull that up since this isn't my project let me look at it i think it's city-wide and city facilities the they're needing to upgrade the security equipment okay and that came in at an estimated an estimated hundred thousand dollars

[1:28:12] it's cheap compared to the airport um and other than fire that was it for active projects okay all right we'll switch back over to the presentation and i'll quickly finish up mayor and let you get on with it okay so as i was saying earlier we will put this um draft online for the public to view and so that they can send us any comments or questions they have we will begin to compile those for you and we'll send them to you on june 17th and then we'll have the public hearing and adoption at the tuesday june 21 city council meeting what kind of comments would the public make talk through that because the cip is established so we have the cip project established what kind of input are we looking for so we try to get feedback from the public to see if they have anything that they want to tell city council about any of these projects and that's why we wait to have city council approve it until after they get that feedback from the public to to see if you want to have any other questions or if you want to add something to the cip or you know something like that you can direct department directors to do that okay and finally um we're on obviously draft published online we'll get that done pretty quickly and then we'll compile those comments and send them to you and we'll get the plan adopted okay thank you yes ma'am thank you i think we'll take a break it's 4 37 and we'll take a 10 minute break as we move on then into the top three strategic priorities continue on with this workshop itinerary and so we are now at the top three strategic priorities we will start with shane kelton and allison's truby knowing that they have presented a lot of the

[1:30:15] information already so but we will let them come forward and continue the conversation and add to what's already been presented thank you oh all right mayor get started here um of course we've already touched base on some of this stuff but kind of give you an update on on where we are and and what's going on in the world of of drainage uh throughout town uh of course i haven't had to worry a whole lot about that this year but uh in years past uh had had some issues uh out there and so uh i believe it was three years ago three or four years ago that uh we added the drainage component into um into our um uh and our priorities and so as we as we went back and we looked at it and took a took a look at our master drainage plan from 2000 we had started some work in that of course you know drainage is one of those issues that there's not any dedicated funding for that it's as we can find funding either through if excess sales tax or whatever those what wherever those fundings come from or grant funds that's when we start working on drainage and of course as we are doing going through our going through our street plans um in in the bond projects and other projects if we can incorporate those drainage improvements within those projects we're doing it at that time so as we as we look on here some of our recent accomplishments where the east angelo dropped bell street we were able to accommodate that within the bell street

[1:32:16] design and so we were able to take care of that and then also the avenue p detention basin we were again through grant funding and through some stormwater funds and through actually some excess sales tax that had been set aside um probably about eight or nine years ago we were able to finish and complete this project and so working through that and and have got that done we're also of course uh we we talked about it a little bit ago um uh with the college hills project uh we're taking care of uh some of the drainage issues there and we're not gonna be able to completely solve all the problems especially at the arroyo but we are looking at significant underground drainage getting that water underneath from the loop all the way to the south fork of the red arroya getting that water off of the street i believe the capacity that we have designed to or were able to design two would hold a 25-year event underneath the street and so again that will help tremendously during rain events in the college hills project and uh of course you know we were looking at some other uh getting designs ready we talked about the foster road project a while ago uh trying to get something shelf ready for in case we get some hazard mitigation grants and things like that as well too um and of course again we're continuing to in one of the other projects that we're working on that was identified in the original one currently is the lower crossing at southwest by the mcdonald's and councilman miller's district so we're working through that as well too as part of the road road reconstruction project and so we're trying we're addressing some of these as we go go along so again but it's a slow slow process we did uh work with uh an engineering firm to update our 2000 master drainage plan so we did get that we do have that updated we ranked the top 36 problem areas around town some of those were areas that we um that were identified separately

[1:34:20] in the old plan that we combined and kind of created some new looks to them and we went through that and of course developed developed a plan for how a possible solution for 10 of those problems the top 10 of those areas and got got opinions of probable cost on what those possible solutions would look like estimate estimated 60 million dollars to in the opinion of probable cost for to get those um to where again none of them are going to be ever completely 100 percent fixed but again to at least provide a lot of relief in those areas in those 10 areas and of course again no designated funding but as we find those dollars whether that's through grants or other opportunities we will again try to address those in as and if any of them are street related as we as we address those streets like we have in the past we'll continue to to address those so that's kind of a quick rundown on the drainage and kind of moving into the streets we we talked through this quite a bit a while ago but just a little bit of history in 2015 uh we we worked with uh fugro roadware inc uh to come in and do a con straight condition survey for us they they surveyed every street in town they gave us a payment condition index score for each street and we worked with them to prioritize our bond projects that we're working through right now and they uh went through you know and it it was a it was a process of looking at the condition of the of the road the classification whether it was an arterial or a collector and then also our average daily traffic as we work through that and so as we went through that we've got that done with that city council authorized the funding of 80 million

[1:36:23] dollars over 10 years so every other year we're we're allocating 16 million in bond allocations to to our uh reconstruction and rehabilitation projects and and we're going down that list went through a lot of them a while ago and then of course two back then council did increase our operation and maintenance budget uh to help us address the seal coding uh program uh to where we can we're we're touching a street we're still coating the street uh at least once every eight years and so uh to actually start a more robust maintenance program than what we'd had in the past and then we do we set aside about a half a million dollars a year for a crack sealing program pothole repair small constructions uh alley maintenance those type things is kind of where we set aside our the funding for that as well and the study the fugro study that was done in 2015. obviously we've had a lot of development and a lot of construction going on since 2015. is there anything in that 2015 presentation prioritization of those streets is there anything that's changed that you think needed to be moved up or moved down based off of new traffic flow or traffic patterns based off of construction and development right now we're the streets the majority of the streets are in the prioritization list i i believe still still are deserving to be where they're at uh with the new development we haven't seen a lot of actual traffic movement um i think there there could be some things in the future that happen that that could cause some movement of traffic but currently right now our traffic patterns are remaining relatively steady other than we are building a lot of new residential roads uh we're not seeing a lot of new arterials or collectors coming in and so that's where you're going to see the majority of your heavy traffic and your deterioration taking place and so i think right now the the the existing path that we're on is uh is still a very viable path so i think

[1:38:26] we're i think we're still heading in the right direction with that just a quick recap again completed projects mlk boulevard the southland by the sam's club college hills south of luke 306 to valley view has been redone west concho avenue and then of course bell street is completed active project southwest boulevard the chadburn street downtown rio concho drive and college hills boulevard has just started it's just underway with the utility portion right now coming up soon we have the chadron street downtown phase two of course we talked about this while ago the north chadburn from basically the railroad tracks uh there 5th street all the way to 43rd howard street again and uh getting close to final design edm edmond glenda and 29th kind of midway through design sunset uh just now fixing to get started on that one in design phase and then cristoval road you will be seeing an item on this next council meeting to authorize the design of cristoval road looking at and also looking at to apply for a dsip grant uh for that uh christopher road project as well too so that uh we'll have that uh coming also before you at this next council meeting to apply for that grant yes tommy quick quick question shane um on the christopher road is that from chadburn avenue l or is that avenue l all the way out to where it hooks up with the 270 or with 87 what is this this portion is from chadburn to avenue l okay uh that's the portion that the city owns from chadburn to 87 um 277 is still belongs to the state state loop 378 and the state is currently uh they're they're planning on letting that bid for reconstruction in september so uh at some point that will

[1:40:31] that will be widened and reconstructed from south chadron to 277. is it part of the project will or any any kind of curbing be done on christopher road chadman avenue l some some of it does not have current curbing gutter good that will be part of the in the design phase we will be working with the engine engineering design firm to determine uh from the drainage aspect of it because there are quite a few drainage issues in that area as well too uh probably needing to to widen the road in certain areas and then of course add we're looking at adding some shared use pedestrian pathways along that segment as well too and so when we look at that some of that will require curb and gut or some of it may not uh but they're more than likely we will see some uh new curve and gutter going in it is just thinking you know it may greatly extend the life of the roadway obviously if it wasn't rattling yeah okay thanks um you had some questions so shane you talk a lot about some is city property some county property some estate property do we have any input on where the state prioritizes what they do next through our mpo [Music] the mpo board that we have we do work closely with txdot in that group to they actually we identify areas that yes we're all on the same page and we're all heading in the same direction meet every other month and each of those streets or projects is discussed funding is moved around if for some reason something becomes like need to do it so you'll get some phone calls sometime and there's like that state property that's not ours similar to me and patrick had an issue with a sign inside the city limits but anyway you answered my question thank you and maintenance and they're and we don't necessarily on their maintenance dollars we don't have a lot of input on their maintenance dollars but a lot of their construction or and or some

[1:42:34] sometimes their reconstruction uh we do have quite a bit of input as well through the mpo so are the questions on for shane at this point from any other council member all right keep going okay and then just briefly uh you know we did touch base on some of those the year 10 projects they're not on this list but we did touch base on those in in our previous cip discussion as well too so just to let uh let y'all know there and so kind of changing that's kind of the quick update for the drainage quick update on the streets and kind of where we are and where we're going of course we did we talked about the the seal coat that we're going to have come up again this year so we talked about that already so one thing that we wanted to bring up today is funding sources if you remember council for the last several years uh we've we've talked about you know the importance of streets in the infrastructure and and trying to address it and how we're going to address it and so and council has um has done an amazing job of of working with staff to get us the funding that we need to really get started and really get working on it of course you know i know that each of y'all because um y'all internal uh call and visit with us y'all are you know continuously getting phone calls from citizens about streets and prioritizing streets in in and trying to move move this forward and move our street program forward and of course we we as staff want to be uh we'd much rather be proactive in this than reactive and so for years and years i mean we've kind of been in reactive mode and we're wanting to switch that into a proactive mode and so as we're moving forward you know we want to talk about funding and and i think council has given us that direction in the past to look for alternative ways to fund things and so we have we've gone out there and we've looked at multiple options and things like that and uh you know currently when we look at our current funding sources uh we have the bond bond project of course we're fixing a bond um uh the fourth of the uh out of five

[1:44:38] of our bond projects and so we'll have this one in two years we'll have the last one and so you know within the next four years we're going to kind of that's going to kind of be on the downhill slide of all the projects being completed and coming to completion um and then you know we do have our own our annual o m maintenance that we've used for maintenance for the sealcoat program and and for uh other daily activities and and then we did city council last year um in last budget uh adopted the uh uh was it 0.006 is that what you said tina uh out of the out of that and dedicated that out of um out of the property tax um for funding for the streets and so that's kind of where we are right now from uh from a funding standpoint right now and how we're funding and how we're moving forward we have established a strategy for doing the major streets and then some of the artillery streets so there is a game plan and a time frame as just proposed almost um 448 million dollars worth of projects that are out there so we have spent tremendous amount of money on streets over the past four years we've made it a key priority we have made that a priority that says if we have money we're going to give it to streets first because that has been one of the biggest issues that that citizens have had with the city is the lack of maintaining our streets and so we have made that a key priority and the in the you know and again we're it has been a priority and and and city council has really stepped up and and worked with staff to try to find those funds so we can move move forward as we're going on and of course uh the one thing that we do are the grants that we're looking looking at you know we've been we've been working uh quite a bit with txdot here recently um in our um in the in their safety program their road to zero program and some of that

[1:46:40] stuff we're looking at some signalization upgrades uh of course mostly that's on system uh with txdot but again we are responsible here in town for the maintenance of those uh of those structures and those lights and so but working with them in that project as well from grants we're also we've been webinar after webinar after webinar about the infrastructure bill that's come down from the federal government and so again we believe the grant granting opportunities are going to become more viable as we uh move into the next three four five years and so uh really kind of working through working through those and making sure that we do have ma the matching funds that it's going to take and require to to get those grants as we move forward so but again it just makes our local dollars go that much further when we can when we can get that influx of federal dollars with it and and we talked last year if y'all will remember last year when we were at the strategic planning meeting we brought we brought a an idea to city council for a street use fee um and so as we as we did that and we looked at the and we looked at that last year and we talked through it kind of in a very high level [Music] to look at the proposed street use fee you know council council gave staff direction to kind of delve into it a little bit further and see what that could look like for the city of san angelo and and and what that uh and what that could possibly be and so we did that and so we have we have uh we engaged kimberly horn an engineering uh design firm uh we're an engineering firm that that has specialized well and i would say specialized but they have done done several of these and worked with several other municipalities around to to establish these street use fees here are some of the examples of the others other cities somewhat similar size some smaller uh definitely like snyder and then of course corpus christi and some of those that are much bigger and but as we look at them uh they're so they're it's kind

[1:48:43] of across the board is the is what the cities are doing and what through uh and how they're starting to engage in these type of street use fees um and the one that we kind of we looked at uh fairly closely was abilene and and we brought that to y'all's attention last year um abilene is the one that uh is probably the closest to to not only you know and i guess in a physical relationship but also in size and and kind of how they're set up and how they work and so we looked at theirs we looked at their program that they initiated um and and have visited with them and talked to them about the successes that they are seeing with their program and basically they used theirs as a to get started in the maintenance as to where uh our city council had uh had stepped up several years before that with our maintenance program and so abilene is using theirs as a maintenance program but they've they have seen that as such a success that they're actually looking to maybe want to expand their program into more of a uh to expand it to start addressing uh rehabilitation and reconstruction of their roadways as well too not just maintenance so uh as we look at that you know we're seeing we're seeing other communities that are uh that have that have implemented this and and are seeing definite benefits across uh across their cities as they move forward um you know and kind of going through it and kind of some of the benefits that we see uh from city staff as we're looking at it you know you know it continues to to provide that funding you know we know we're going to get to the end of the bond funding before long and then trying to figure out you know what's that next step then and and so and how are we going to continue this program and try to get on the proactive side instead of the reactive side of street construction street maintenance and as we look at it you know one you know one of the things that city council has been adamant on is not increasing property tax and so we do not want to increase the property tax

[1:50:45] and so as well and i mean that's from you know uh not only you know when you know the economic development guys and and guy and his bunch when they're going out and michael looney and his bunch when they're going out and trying to bring businesses in you know uh if if businesses are seeing your property taxes increase increase increase you know they're not going to be enticed or want to come to town and so again there's multiple reasons for for not increasing the property tax tax rate uh to address this as well and two and you know there are concerns about how much debt you know we're adding to our books and we don't want to continue to keep adding debt so this fee would be one way one possible way not to do that not to add it not to increase your property tax rate and as you're going through the you know and and some of the things that we could do with these funding um that's possible you know kind of how we set up right now councils kind of set somewhere between four and five million is kind of would be a target for us to look at and so that's kind of the target that we've worked through and patrick here in a minute is going to kind of go through the inner workings of how this how it would work and how it would look uh but as we're going through this and we're looking you know one of our thoughts is to bring in an in-house mill and overlay crew if we're going to actually get out i mean because we cannot i don't believe my it's my personal opinion i do not believe that we could ever borrow enough money to address every street in town uh but if we start bringing some of this in-house and we can start directing it in-house and i believe we can do this a lot of this work especially the rehabilitation portion of it i believe we can do a lot of that in-house at a lower cost and more efficiently and bringing that in-house will also give us flexibility to go where we need to go when we need to go versus being tied to a contract [Music] that being said there are going to be those things that we are not going to be able to do in house of reconstruction full depth reconstruction or the fdr process that we that we're doing out here on bell street those are things when roads have failed we're not going to be able to rehabilitate those

[1:52:49] so this money could also be pay-as-you-go capital to contract out some of those services that we're still not going to be on it or we're not going to be able to do in-house and then also when we're looking at it being able to one possibly as we're looking at these granting opportunities give us a source for match money for these grants because a lot of these grants that are going to come out are going to be 80 20 matches or 70 30 matches and we are going to have to have dollars here in the city for us to be able to take advantage of those grant dollars so again it does that and then two with the street use it it is it's it's it's based on um trip it's based on a trip factor and trip generators and so when you apply it in that manner across the board it's it's equitable across all land uses all business types in all sectors of the community so when you look at it from that it's a more equitable way of putting or basically acquiring the funding you need to take care of the degradation of the payment you know based on how much it's you know the the the how much money you're generating will be based off your trip generation how many if you're a business how many you know and patrick will go through the details here in just a second just kind of a high level view here but uh if your business you know typically generates you know 5 000 trips a day you're you know you're going to be paying more than somebody that you know only generates five trips a day so again again it's it's the the the the trip generation and the degradation of the payments kind of it's kind of linear in how it's set up and designed and so as we move across we will let patrick kind of chime in here and start and kind of go through the details of how this program would work let's stop right now and just see if

[1:54:50] council has any questions that they want to ask at this point in the presentation before patrick takes over oh please yeah i don't fundamentally disagree with this concept and i don't think anyone else up here does although i won't speak for them but i think that the elephant in the room is that the community needs to be be brought along slowly on any kind of cost increase especially right on the heels of their tax bills so i think my concern is one of timing and i just want to put that out there so that it's part of the conversation i don't know how we address that i don't know if it's a town hall but i think that council needs to hear what the public has to say about this and of course we all understand that the amount that will be added potentially to our bills is the cost of a hamburger and a coke but there's something about the fact that it's news right now after news that was startling to a lot of people yes ma'am and and again this is we're bringing this just as a proposal and it was it was something we've been asked to look at over time again presented it last year yes part of our strategic planning and it was at that point in time we said just continue to pursue it so meaning we don't have enough information to start immediately but continue to pursue it and the other issue which you can address in a minute and when you get through with this is somehow because it's proposed that it would be on the water bill everybody thinks it's water increases just as people look at that water bill and think it's expensive water but what it is it's many things on that water bill because it's the water it's the sewer it's the trash and it's storm water

[1:56:53] and so the reason for using the water bill as the means at which to charge folks if you will can you explain that and the reason behind that yes ma'am we it'll well we can touch on it here in a minute we have a it kind of it's a problem okay and we can address that but again it does it's uh one the utility bill is already established where it's already an established uh means by which we send out a bill every month instead of creating you know four bills or five bills that we're sending out we just put all the utilities that we charge on one statement so it's ease of that and then also if if there if if you if it's not set up correctly there's no way to think um there's no way no way to collect uh to collect on that in in such a manner that it's um enforceable basically and so again we have to have that set up in the way we do it and again there again there is no specific time or nothing we're just bringing this forward for council for council to look at forgive us feedback is it good is it bad i mean do you not like how it's set up or the way it's set up and so again we're just trying to garner feedback right now not necessarily try to you know we're not taking a vote today this is a presentation only an opportunity to learn more to ask the questions so that you can answer your constituents issues or challenges or explain it better so use this as a learning situation for all of us and we and and again we will kind of go through some more things and we definitely do need council's feedback on some of these items as well too because again we're we're still we're not it we're not at the we're not at the final stages of this we're still kind of mid-level uh working through the details and so again we need to get council feedback and work our way through erie do you have a question or comment i just have a comment uh and that is i think the proposed uh

[1:58:54] direction that we're going with this if we decide to do this has a lot of benefits first of all we can we can put some city employees back on the roads doing what streets doing what we what i think we can do from a maintenance standpoint and small reconstruction that will save the taxpayers dollars in the long run and so from my perspective this investment i think will pay benefits so i think the concept whether we stayed with 675 or some of those other numbers is is is not anything i'm worried about discussing today but i think the concept will ultimately save taxpayer dollars and so i think it's a good concept lucy i just have a quick question uh shane how did you come up with 6.75 we based a lot of what we did off of other cities numbers that we were that not only we looked at but also our consultant looked at and so these numbers are based a lot on what other cities are doing so and again some of them are tweaked a little bit some of our numbers are tweaked a little bit to kind of work for the city and kind of what council's target number was for us to look at and so some of those numbers are tweaked but again we based a lot of this stuff on what other cities have already done and established he said abilene was already doing this correct and that that all those the list of cities i had up on the screen yes are currently in the program my question is and how how much money are they bringing in say for instance just happily per year i believe that i believe they've been doing it i think their dollar amount per person is larger than this proposal but i think six to seven million abilene's bringing in right at five million just over five million on there with their fee and again theirs is for maintenance activities so their chip seal and stuff like that so that's what they're bringing in but and again as we kind of go through

[2:00:57] the workings of kind of how we have it laid out and based on based on input from our consultant that we worked with uh and again based on what again what we saw in other cities because abilene i believe is 675 is that where abilene 675 is exactly where they're at and so uh that's exactly where they're at in in other cities and every city has their own nuances to their program and so you kind of you kind of define your program based on the needs of your city and how their city councils wanted it set up so they instituted it about three years ago and they've gone back and they're updating it and going back for i think larger dollars and more comprehensive thing so they're on their second round of implementing a change to it something like that yep they're they're they're starting to look again as i mentioned earlier they they they've had or they feel they've had such success that with this program that they want to actually expand the program that they have into a rehabilitation uh and reconstruction program as well a lot like what we were starting to do with our bond funding and so um and and again but i think as we start looking at some of these uh like um harry stated just a minute ago uh you know bringing some of these these things back in house and doing some of those maintenance activities that we can do in-house you know just looking at what four to five million dollars a year could do somewhere in that range [Music] i think of it you know i think of it in individual streets and not everybody may be familiar with the street but if you look at look at avenue l or avenue j one of those type streets and that act as a minor collector in the santa rita neighborhood if you look at something like that you know if we do brought an in-house crew kind of with those kind of funds available you know we could probably see doing an entire street section like that four or five times over in a year so you're starting to see some of those minor collectors and some of those

[2:02:59] smaller roads within our within our neighborhoods that handle a lot of daily traffic to where we can improve those we could do improvements in-house uh and again we could do a lot more and again the flexibility of it is is what i think is so key to that so i think the toughest not to correct to crack on this is equitability and i think you're taking some information from abilene on how you divide up this pie so that the public feels as though it's done fairly across the board i'd suspect that the next meeting we have and people are talking about that in public that's where we're going to get some important inputs about how they think this ought to be handled in terms of who's paying what sir and and patrick's fixing to get into that so it'll kind of show and break down how all that works and so i'll let patrick take it away right so after our strategic planning workshop last year we did engage with kimberly horn like shane was talking about and started to develop a fee structure that was something that for san angelo and and how our uniqueness so what they developed was a structure that basically had two categories you had a residential category and you had a non-residential category so on your screen there you're looking at the residential side of the of the pie here so for a single family residential which is a typical home you'd be looking at a at a flat rate of 6.75 cents per month on the other side there's multi-family as part of that residential and so you're talking about apartment complexes town homes duplexes in that category and and what the consultants proposed was six dollars per dwelling unit on that so if an apartment complex has a hundred apartments it'd be six times a hundred per month for that particular apartment complex so that's the residential side so the residential side is very very cl easy and easy to understand but for non-residential what we didn't

[2:05:02] want to do is just propose a flat fixed rate for for resid like we did on residential properties because the sheer range of different properties and commercial entities in san angelo just warranted a range of categories and fee structures as well on that so along with that there's a calculation that we used in order to determine exactly what fee a particular entity would be charged so based starting with that we we reached back to a nationally published manual the institute of traffic engineers trip generation manual that's a big name and it's a big book so basically what that book does is it goes in and it categorizes every type of business in the united states and for each of that type of business they generally tag a number in there for the amount of trips that that particular business type would generate and so as the easy way to understand this is to walk through an example with you and so that's kind of what we have on our screen so let me kind of talk you through how that that equation plays out so if you look at a particular entity and and we start with the business classification so in this case we're looking at like a restaurant a gym a salon something like that so you see there's a gym up there and that is then classified into a land use category that is stemmed from that it that ite manual the land use category again goes takes it from a gym to a health or fitness club from there that land use category within that same manual you have a development unit so for each land use category there's there's a multiplier or development unit in there so whether that's square footage whether that's number of acres whether that's number of fueling items whatever that particular business classification is in its in its niche that has a particular development unit so in the case of a gym it's based on per square feet so per thousand square feet you have a trip factor and so

[2:07:05] that's the number of trips that's generated per thousand square feet for that particular gym so if you do the math kind of there for example three thousand square foot gym classified as an athletic club three thousand divided by the thousand thousand per square feet gives you three times the trip factor of 4.52 gives you a multiple a sum of 13.56 so then you move over into that fee schedule over there and there's a there's a range there between the 10 and 15 that that 13.56 falls within classified as a c3 which ultimately is 45 there now there's a table all the way to the right there that kind of that we use that the consultants came up with as a way to expand that into the larger entities so you're really talking about your higher use category so if we didn't have the multiplier you're looking at a 75 max fee as proposed right now but what that multiplier does is you take it and anything between as it's shown on the screen there zero and three or zero and 300 would be multiplied by one between 300 and 600 would be multiplied by two so 75 dollars 150. 225 dollars is kind of how that plays out so based on what the consultants came up with when they looked at san angelo they took the tens of thousands of different business types that are in this manual and they pared down that down to 46 land use categories that basically encompass almost every business entity in san angelo so every non-residential entity would be classified underneath one of these 46 land use categories that the that the consultants proposed so moving on to that

[2:09:07] these are the rates that that were proposed initially by them what you see there is you see your you have your residential at six and six point seven five and six they're at the bottom and then in the non-residential categories there's basically six tiers there ranging from twenty five dollars to seventy five dollars that multiplier table off to the right and ultimately there's an annual revenue generation under these proposed rates of about four and a half million dollars if you look at the residential generation obviously it it would be interesting to know what kind of the numbers are behind it so if you look for each one of those tiers in each one of those categories the number of customers the proposed rate there kind of what a monthly and an annual revenue would be for each tier and then we we as staff wanted to kind of give council an insight into if we wanted to discuss or if they wanted to look at adjusting those rates in some manner kind of what a dollar would do on the residential side and what five dollars would do on the non-residential side whether that's increasing by a dollar or decreasing a dollar that would be a plus or minus both monthly and annually there in that far right column there were three entities that the consultants carved out as far as large land use categories based on san angelo specifically the airport goodfellow air force base and the san angelo stock show and rodeo association so based on a calculation and a methodology that they had come up with for those three entities those would be billed on an annual basis at 3 500 dollars per month 30 000 and 1050 respectively as proposed you talk about those because of the large land mass that they are my if you'll go back to that the question mark is okay so

[2:11:12] how would that compare to for example the school sisd as well as angelo state university because they too would be considered large yes ma'am land yes ma'am we'll uh we have a slide further on we'll we'll visit with y'all to try to get some feedback from y'all on those uh because the schools they look at the schools a little differently and so most well almost all of them have charged like a per student on a per student basis uh and so again we will look at that in a few more slides sorry the reason some of that would become an issue is because if you take a look at elementary school and middle schools they don't drive those students no ma'am but their parents do their parents do but so that's the reason i ask too is if you start taking and breaking it down into thought processes those would be some of the things that you would ask yes or think about and again that's why we we're looking this is not necessarily individuals but looking at it as based on trip generation uh and that's the key to this is the trip generation and and what does that entity or what does that school or or whatever it is what what do they how many what is their trip generation look like and so uh again that's that's how we're basing this on and so um because whether it's an elementary school or a junior high even though those children aren't driving um if if y'all been around one of the schools that drop off time or pickup time it's it's amazing how many vehicles are out there to pick up the kids and so and of course and then the bus is also traveling on the roads as well too uh again generating that degradation of the pavement so and so some of the other components that

[2:13:17] we looked at in this and of course we want council's feedback on this uh are are some of these things you know and and just to kind of let you know we are going to create a grievance process for this not necessarily the about what it is or how much it is that's a council decision but again when we look at [Music] as from staff and or our consultants we do not necessarily know i'm just going to mayor we don't know what brenda gunter inc is uh and so it's not descriptive and so we don't necessarily know what land use category to put that in and so we are going to have those where we're going to have people come say hey i'm not in this group i need to be in this group um and so a lot of those and so that's what the grievous process is for is so they can come tell us that hey i i don't belong down here in this one i belong up here in this one and so we'll do that and of course most of these uh it will be resolved at the department review level and so but if it if it escalates above that we we are going to have the city auditor review it and provide feedback and and guidance there and if that is still unsatisfactory to to the to the citizen or the business then we would have the city manager as the final um uh final process in the review of that and so to to do it again we believe that uh we believe that uh almost all if i i can't i can't see that you know once we once we get to know what the business is and how it acts and what it looks like and basic base it on that information that we receive i don't know why it would ever have to escalate beyond the department review but again just in case it does there is a process in place also want to really uh emphasize this is that this these monies would be in a separate fund and they would be restricted to basically the rehabilitation reconstruction and maintenance of roadway elements and those elements are you know the road base the road itself curb and gutter sidewalks

[2:15:20] traffic signals uh pedestrian elements all of those things would would and that's all that these funds could be used for they couldn't be used in water they can't be used in uh general services they can't be used anything but on the streets themselves and so which the other issue that i think we should emphasize here is that that would also not change and we wouldn't eliminate the dollars that's in operations and may or the funds that we already put into street construction as we said seal coatings 3.5 million 500 000 for potholes etc so we're saying that we would continue funding those as their funding so let's say we would put 404 million dollars into the budget for like we have been doing that's right right correct so we're not taking that away what we're doing is adding this would be an addition to addition to it so that we could do it faster quicker more efficiently and less costly correct and and we would and we would not mingle these these funds these dedicated funds we would not mingle these with our traditional operation and maintenance funds they would still remain separate and so the accounting and the uh the accountability would be there that we are using these funds where they're supposed to be used which is on the streets and so i want to you know wanted to make sure that everybody understands that that there will be no co-mingling of of of this fund with any of the other ones as well too so uh and then again as we visited about earlier signing it to the existing utility bill uh again to help with that enforcement in the collection of the bill again it gives it gives the city ability to to actually collect and also work through our collection system that we have with the utility statement uh some of the things uh as we that we need to consider as we're looking at this uh is as we look into the future we all know uh you know

[2:17:23] uh that um everything the cost of doing business goes up yearly and here lately it's been going up exponentially our dollars don't go as far as they used to so at some time in the future if y'all decide to implement a program like this one of the things we would know is kind of what would you want to look at from an escalation period would we want to you know staff would recommend doing it on a percentage basis and whether we base that on some consumer pricing index a municipal price index or cost index something or one that's related to actual road maintenance itself one of the indices that are out there with a percentage cap on top of that would we want to look at something like that would we just want a fixed annual rate at some whatever that is at two and a half three percent whatever it is kind of what we would consider a general inflation rate um and then also you know would you want to start that type of rate escalation you're two you're three you're four your five how far out would you want to take the program before we actually started looking at increasing this fee to accommodate for um for that for the basically the inflation that that we know we're going to see over time so that's something to consider as we looking into this and and hope to get feedback at some point um another thing that staff would recommend is also for a low low income accommodation uh is to utilize what we're using in with our water utility currently uh is adding funding into the low low income assistance program through the concho valley action agency and that way if people are having problems paying their bills or or covering their bills or the cost of this is that they can seek uh assistance um that that from this agency that that works with with low-income people on a regular basis to help them pay their bills and so we would recommend that as well again would like y'all's feedback on that as

[2:19:25] well too uh one of the things that we that we wanted to bring to your attention is the apartments when you look at um when you look at this when you look at apartments when you have a hundred units or 200 units or 250 units times six dollars that's that starts becoming very burdensome up front um and you know a lot of those apartments uh in people like that with you know they're in con you know they're in six months or year-long contracts and so they're locked in and so for them to absorb that cost all at once um would be considerable and and so we want to make sure that uh you know but we would as staff recommend a phased approach to where maybe we do fifty percent uh year one and then a hundred percent year two to allow them to build into their contracts as those contracts come up for renewal to help cover those costs on the apartments as well too and then finally we start talking about schools and again we look at schools sasd tlc cornerstone asu howard et cetera all the schools uh when we look at that most every most everyone else is is charging a per student basis instead of a flat per campus or whatever because every everything and everybody varies and so by size and so they've they've looked at a per student basis and so when we looked at this kind of to give y'all um basically let you all look at this and kind of give us direction as to what y'all feel is appropriate for schools we looked at anywhere from 60 cents per student to 1.15 per student and you can kind of see what the uh annual generation revenue generation would be for uh for that and this is based on sd's enrollment numbers this last year so that's kind of what uh first nasal isd that's kind of what this would look at and and when we look at that you know these type of dollars those are pretty significant for somebody to immediately absorb into a budget and so we would also recommend a phased approach uh for our schools uh out there as well too

[2:21:29] um you know 50 year 100 in year two if council has other ideas we would love to hear those as well too but again to allow these schools and and people time to build this fee into their budgets uh because again it's uh that's a pretty substantial uh dollar figure just to all of a sudden be plugging into a budget one day especially if they're on a different fiscal time frame than we are as well and with that i think that kind of wraps up the um the funding and the fee proposal so again we would love love y'all's feedback and any questions comments and i'll start with larry do you have questions or comments for them are there any entities that are exempt from this as it currently stands larry no we're not proposing any entities that are exempt per say but again that's that council's discretion in consideration so we would look for that feedback from council but these numbers are taking into account all residential and non non-residential entities currently that include that includes the city i mean right the city departments or city entities we would all within our different funds would also contribute to this as well too because we are trip generators as well erin the implication is that this does not require voter approval can you speak to that please no ma'am this does not require voter approval this can be um this can be adopted as an ordinance by city council lucy um i just have a quick question on this uh property tax that we had gotten approved talking to your mike please sorry um you know this uh property tax rate that we had approved that .006 for the street fund is that going to be combined with this

[2:23:32] rate that we have so it's all going to go in one one pot yes ma'am that dedicated source since it since it was dedicated by council to specifically only be used on streets that could actually be i mean we you would see it in the revenue as two different line items but we would keep that in the same fund since it is a dedicated funding source for streets only thank you erie i like the part where you talked about being a dedicated fund that could only be used for street because i've heard a lot of citizens in the last couple of weeks uh think that we're just taking money and it can be used for whatever so when we if we make this decision and it's passed as an ordinance that part i hope will be in there that we can say hey it goes into a separate fund that can only be used for road maintenance and road construction yes sir and and i know teresa has been looking at this some as well too and unfortunately she's not here today but i believe there's state law that also has it restricted as well too so it wouldn't only just be in our ordinance but i believe for us to be able to pass an ordinance to to collect a fee such as this and name it a street use fee that their state law that restricts the use of those funds as well too thank you tom so harry touched on that and i think we'll roll this one over to brandon brandon there's a couple people here that brought up the fact that they thought there might be some legal issue of putting a fee on our water bill can you expand upon that i know we've kind of given you a little force out of that question yeah so the way that the both the administrative code and the water code uh define a water and sewer utility it has a whole laundry list of entities that are encompassed in that but it actually excludes municipal corporations so i believe it could be on the the water bill but the other point about the the commingling the funds we want to ensure that it's not

[2:25:34] a revenue generator that exceeds the cost of the program or providing those services otherwise it could be an author unauthorized tax so as long as we if there's a reasonable basis for the fee then we're good there and my summary on this just you know we're all throwing out opinions on this i love the fact that nobody escapes this all right everybody pays everybody shares and there's no way around it and i think if all of our tax structures were based like this we would never be in this type of situation and so i'll be the first one to say i like the way this thing's going i don't think it's a burden but i do like the fact that you have already established a process if there's a grievance in here to pursue but i'm certainly open to anything further and i'm very encouraged by the process tommy i'm going to echo what karen said much earlier in the conversation i do like the concept the timing is of question to me because of everything that's going on um i don't know how we deal with that other than say we're going to bring this back in six months a year whatever i don't know what that is but the timing at least for me there's uh it just doesn't feel good doesn't feel right to me and i want to chase a rabbit just a minute and this is going to be a real chase and a rabbit shane mentioned signals and there has been an issue that has arisen and i'm not going to go down this path because i think it would be far more appropriate at the discussion of the cip but there has been a a a signal that has been mentioned to be removed that i think we need to discuss that but you mentioned signal so i wanted to throw that out i'm i'm thinking the more appropriate time to talk about that is when we talk about the cip later in june no i tell you what we need to do and we'll talk about that in a minute with shane not right now i think

[2:27:36] tommy because i think the idea was that it was announced that that traffic signal was going to be pulled today that temporary light was going to be pulled today so i think the issue is we need to talk to shane outside this meeting today and say there's too many people who are opposed to that temporary light being moved from knickerbocker and twin mountain and we need to leave it there and then then at some point go ahead and get that put into the cip but we need to address the issue of not pulling it right now well i think it's the the signal is in the cip we just need to find the uh instruct the staff to find the funding so again that's another another day another discussion but when you said signals a minute ago it triggered my triggered my thought process so if they're out there moving it now stop them they're not they're not moving it they're uh they just bag the bag the heads there's there's a process for moving even temporary signals and so we were we just started that process the trailers are still there so there's a lot of opposition too we'd like to see it stay there for a while and we'll deal with the cip later yeah okay separate from speed different from this yes yeah i i think that there might be some people in the audience today who wanted to add comment on this issue if you are here for that purpose please come forward state your name your district city council member in your district and offer your comments if you are here just hit start and stop seeing none we'll move on thank you questions thanks for hanging with us

[2:29:51] allison good evening um we're going to talk through mainly water supplies is it evening already yes it is i don't know what time it is but it definitely is evening um my presentation is mainly about water supplies and waste larger wastewater projects we've already kind of touched on the water and sewer line replacement projects those are college hills a m mlk and randolph that shane went over so it's not really about the distribution replacement projects but more about supply in general so as of may 1st we are sitting at 58 months of water supply this year has been very sad depressing whatever you would like to say as far as rainfall goes and i think the concerns you mean there's been no flooding no no drainage uh which i know shane is not a fan of but i definitely am um and so we haven't seen that runoff but these calculations do assume a zero inflow scenario so whatever those lakes are as of may 1st we assume no additional inflow will come into those reservoirs how they evaporate over the course of time crm wd provides ohiv's numbers and so then we use those calculations to see kind of how those reservoirs project and we only factor in so this doesn't include hickory but only about a million and a half gallons a day obviously we can turn on that system to the 8 million gallons a day right now soon to be 12. but this is a worst case scenario so sitting at 58 months of water supply as of may 1st i like to show this just as our trend so last year when i was presenting this it was very much an increasing trend we are seeing 2021 drop back down into 12 and a half million gallons per day this is an

[2:31:54] annual average so in the winter sometimes we send out nine 10 million gallon days depending on the weather but in the summer we can hit 22 25 million gallons and that is mainly off irrigation demands and then how our usage stacks up so we are primarily residential consumers so we do not have a we do have large commercial customers but we don't have them as a whole across the city 71 of our water usage does go to residential and then you can see the breakdown between commercial institutional and industrial we have a very small industrial demand so we have talked about the hickory project and it's been discussed at several council meetings um going into this year these are actual these top two pictures are pictures taken last week so you can see the drill rig is up mobilized and it is actively drilling the first well of five for this expansion project the picture on the left is the right-of-way clearing so those will be a roads and pipelines leading to the well sites and then the bottom picture is one of the pictures from several years ago when we were marketing the ranch but it is the main drive into the into our well field from the head gate this is the project that will take the hickory to the full permitted allocation of 12 million gallons per day hydro resources and plw are the contractors on those projects and we are working through the additional funding but a total of 62 million dollars to take this project from the 8 million gallons to 12 and to do the two new clear wells 62 million allison you've talked about the clear whales a couple of times i want you just for the benefit of the public define what what a clear whale is and what it does

[2:33:56] okay um a clear well is the final holding area or the holding storage tank so to speak uh before the the pump station which what we call our high service pump station is the pump station that sends out water to the extents of the city and throughout all parts of distribution um so whether that water is coming from ohiv or the hickory it goes into a very large tank a 5 million gallon reservoir which is the clear well where it undergoes that contact time with chlorine and all the other makeups to basically allow it to meet the regulatory requirements to be pumped and sent out to the distribution system they are very very very very critical yes to our water supply yes and currently we have one large clear well and so we can only or only do maintenance on that clear well in the winter months so the we do not have flexibility from right now until probably mid-september to do any sort of maintenance on that clear well just due to our demands and how fast water is having to be pushed out to the distribution system hence it's extremely important that we yes we so what those are there's money on the clearance so the clear wells that we're doing uh for the future are two two and a half two million gallon clear wells so we can operate one while we do maintenance on the other and it allows a little bit more flexibility going forward with treatment options all right thanks for the info uh the next large water supply project that we are actively working on is the concho river water supply project uh this one was adopted several years ago our permits there's two necessary permits that we need with the state of texas dcq to be able to move forward with this project one is a discharge permit and the green star you see on the map is our wastewater treatment plant we are apply we've applied for a permit and received admin com completion um but it would discharge at the end of that

[2:36:00] black line that you see it would travel seven to eight river miles following the green path where the city owns an additional property where the orange star is where we would take it out and pipe it back to the water treatment plant in the yellow star our water treatment plant is a part of the cip that you saw earlier you saw you know 60 plus i don't i don't quite remember the millions of dollars tied to it but the upgrade to that facility to where we could treat by micro filtration and other more modern technologies today versus our conventional surface water treatment plant so it would produce a better water quality but the other permit is for the water to be able to follow that green path and for the city to maintain ownership from where we put it in to where we take it out today if we were to just discharge it it'd become waters of the u.s and therefore we have no ownership further downstream both of those permits or our applications are admin complete and so just working through the regulatory process and that can take some time but we are actively working through that so how all these projects stack up is for the next 50 years the blue graph or the blue bar that you see is the full allocation of hickory the red is the reliable safe yield from ohiv and so during the drought of record this is what we can rely on ivy from the little green line that you can see in between red and orange is what we can safely rely ultimately from south contra river but it's the south control river system between twin buttes nasworthy and the river itself from nazworthy to where our treatment plant is so it's a very small reliable yield because twin buttes has ultimately gone functionally dry to where we can't get water from twin buttes into nazworthy and then finally the

[2:38:03] orange bar that you see would be once we get the concho river water supply project online and how that stacks up with projections and demands as we move through the out years so it is very critical that we move forward with the contra river water supply we don't have a time frame on those permits being no ma'am there the state doesn't yeah they don't give you an exact timeline and then finally for the last water supply project that we are still actively working on is the partnership so we do have the long-term water agreement with fort stockton holdings between the city of midland abilene and ourselves and then you see the breakdown between each city and how those are being how those water supply contract is being allocated switching now from water supply to the lake nazar the sewer project so this is to ultimately increase the capacity at the airport and the lake now is where the area take lift stations offline so that we can continue to develop and expand in that area the texas historical commission has approved the alignment so we have passed that regulatory step so to speak and this is um the path from the lake nazworthy or i can show it on the next slide um so the blue line you see um this portion is what we do have um thc approval on we are still working through some other legal issues in this area due to private property issues but for the the backbone and the important critical component and path uh to getting from the airport in lake nazareth the area to chadburn street has been approved by the historical oh let commission

[2:40:06] go back um so we are in final design right now and the final design is is is due november 10th and so that is when we will have final design plans and then we would start putting that out for bid either at the end of the year the first part of 2023 to begin the construction of that pipeline so we are looking within the next year so to begin construction on that project when would it officially be available for use uh that would depend it is probably a two-year construction window at least would be online before then no ma'am no it it there could be parts downstream closer to chadburn which isn't where our needs are our needs are at the furthest extent of this line which is the airport in lake nazar the area but ultimately you have to have the full system in place so it isn't like our need is halfway in the middle of that project it's at the very end so we do have to start to identify a timeline and that's key yes once we can ultimately get it out for construction now we are seeing supply chain issues with pvc pipe and pumps and motors and it's the world we live in today but we could see some delays there but ultimately once we get a contractor on board i think we're making the next big step to hopefully lining out that timeline to a more definitive time frame for everybody to be aware of questions for allison at this point or comments for her no continue the last one i have is just an update the last time i spoke to you all a year ago about the customer service inspectors i was requesting additional personnel and so we've now been a year since that last meeting since that request and wanted to give you an update of kind of how that has progressed

[2:42:09] we were able to hire three additional employees we already had reallocated one employee to be a dedicated csi and be the administrator of this program and to kind of lead this effort so i can say as of april 30th we have four licensed customer service inspectors and that is a tcq license and so one of them does hold up b-pat so he could test a backflow device if he needed to but this is kind of the breakdown of the initial inspections they have completed ultimately there's 474 initial inspections in the in these categories that you see they have been focusing on commercial industries we do have to go to residential every once in a while when there is a water well issue or something that we need to go make sure that the city system is protected from their alternative water source but ultimately we are making progress here they have done a presentation at the san angelo apartment association because as you can see they went to 110 apartments and so a lot of those apartment complexes have a some owners own multiple apartment complexes and so kind of educating the apartment association of what we're doing why we're doing it things that they're looking for and it was very from the feedback i received it was well received and it kind of gave everybody an idea of what was going on almost i think about 90 percent of these facilities will have to have a re-inspection because there was a deficiency of some sort whether it's a hose bib vacuum breaker or tmp drain line that on a hot water heater that wasn't air gapped enough those type of things or their fill on their pool was not air gapped just different things they will have to go back for another inspection so it is not a one inspection and done it does sometimes take multiple trips to getting these businesses uh to

[2:44:13] full compliance but so far it's been very well received and this was just to kind of provide you all an update with the personnel y'all allocated last year to this program i'll be happy to answer any questions you all may have i didn't see restaurants on that list and since they've been to my place of business i know that they are doing them um it may so these are the ones that they've kind of highlighted like in industry that they're trying to wholly get so to speak um but i can we can look at we haven't tackled restaurants in an entirety it's mine been hit i'll ask them about that this is just the list that they gave me you'll see yeah see where's brendan's right let's go get her and so is my office building allison thank you very much mayor yes tommy can we take a quick we can take a break but why don't we have dinner while we're doing it so 30 minutes 30 minutes okay so it's 5 6 15 we'll be back at 6 45. 6 50. and so we will call this meeting back to order and who's on next it looks like guy must be because he's sitting there come on you're on i am so i know that you'd be highly disappointed if i didn't start off with uh planes trains and automobiles whoop there it is so that's what we're going to be talking about which are our economic development priorities on the plains side we've had some ramp improvements that have been ongoing with the customs and border patrol some facility improvements and those are bringing in high paying jobs into our

[2:46:16] area our airport gateway signage a great project first of all we cleared the brush installed signage and altouris design out there reduced the blight as you go outside the airport great idea that you're not just running into a wall of trees and brush but that there's a cleared area so it's visually appealing and since the airport is our key economic development driver we want to make the airport look the best that it can we have a project ongoing the project skyline and we're doing a public private partnership to restore the gte hangar improve the commercial apron along there we'll be constructing a new fbo terminal adding new parking facilities for general use parking and rental car parking san angelo rail ports one of our huge projects another public-private partnership construction is ongoing it's underway out there there is electricity out there now we're working on gas and water for those facilities um it's an ongoing marketing effort with our partners the chamber and also with the south place la mesa railroad marketing that and this will be a key driver for our economy both now and in the future we go back to the plains part first guy certainly ran too fast for that one one of the biggest questions that we all hear from constituents and people that are passionate about the airport is what about airport hangars what about airport hangars can we construct them can we what's going on with the airport hangar so could jeremy come forward while we're on this subject and talk about airport hangars absolutely yes

[2:48:22] you hear me yes um yeah so as you know in my cip i'm going to come to you with that south taxi lane improvement it's going to be 90 percent funded by the faa under the infrastructure grant that's going to open up room for four additional 90 by 90s and four additional 100 by 100 hangers we're working right now with the faas of the reimbursable agreement because there is a main transmission line that runs through there that could take up to six months for us just to get the agreement the paperwork in place to start construction otherwise what would be your approximate time period to start if the faa wasn't in the way well they are so i can't you know we i can't get around that but what do we tell people i want to build a hanger out there what do i do were hoping to get the grant by the end of july so we could start at least the flat work there i do have about three or four spots where somebody could come lease land now and build a 90 by 90 or 100 by 100. i don't have any t-hangers available i got a 18 person waiting list on all my t-hangers executive hangers have been full forever we just don't have the hanger availability okay so go ahead tom you're going to say something me and jeremy we've had these kind of is there somewhere we could start some more hangers i mean could we build some shade hangers i know you know i guess there's to me when i go out there it looks like there's lots of property the point of it is you're the airport guy i'm not and i have to realize i got to stay in my lane but i look and i'm like go if we could put shane hangers or t hangers here in this spot i mean you've got a a project and a plan and an approval is there things we could do to help help you facilitate that yeah and i think we're doing that with the south taxi lane construction the problem right now is there is land there's lots of land out there the whole east side of the airport can be developed but you have to have infrastructure to the runways you got to have a way to get there and that's multi-million dollars worth of infrastructure

[2:50:23] so if somebody wanted land now to build a hangar and they want to be somewhere close to the ramps now so that south taxi lane it's about a four million dollar investment we pay 10 percent of that cost cfa pays the rest but that will open up the whole south side of that taxi lane for t-hangers covered tie-downs and that type of stuff but if if you wanted to build a t-hanger today i just don't have the i don't have the infrastructure to the ramp so can the infrastructure as far as you're talking electricity no uh taxi lane taxiway access okay so you're just worried about the taxiway yeah well because if you built let's say t hangers outside the fence they still got to get to in through the fence to the runway and i mean it well on that but i was wondering if you had a timeline on that you can't build t-hangers overnight so i mean if there's a year and you know it's coming you can at least start this but i guess as you say deal with faa sometimes that that window's nothing we can gamble on yeah and we're not waiting especially with the executive hangers when i build when we build this taxi lane i've already have four of those eight already spoken for they want to pull a land lease and build most of them want to build 90 by 90s but the mayor's wisdom she said let's extend the taxi lane all the way to the fence so we can open up all that area for larger hangars bigger businesses and we're also decommissioning runway 927 next year with the next faa money and then that will open the whole industrial park all the area between the border patrol hangar and the new skyline hangar will be open for development so my final question is on hangers are all the rented hangers have functional planes in them that are used or do we have a minimum i mean somebody can't buy it just to store a plane forever is there a timeline that they have to have out and use their plane so it just didn't become a storage unit um we don't have that in our rules and regulations all we say is it has to be air worthy an airworthiness certificate usually about four years when you have to register and keep it flying so when we do our inspections all we do is make

[2:52:24] sure that it's insured and that it's airworthy but we don't have a requirement on how often they fly of course we'd like to do that we could consider that because we write minimum regulations and standards well now i'm i just go here i would hate to see something like that i mean you know there's 18 people deep i'm the worst person at having a storage unit or something that i've never been to the back of all right and i don't want our hangers to be used that way right and we so we have to stick to the faa's hanger use policy we have to inspect those hangers and make sure that they are being used for aviation use those hangers are also coated through the fire department excuse me for aircraft storage only so if somebody pulled a boat in there they'd be in violation of the lease we'd terminate the lease same thing with even someone was storing model airplanes in the back of their hangar that's a violation of the lease because all you can store is that aircraft with the tail number registered to that hangar and there was there was one recently that was not in compliance but all the other t-hangers everyone else is in we're in full compliance now i'm good i was just okay looking at a way to make more hanger space it's just a weight there's plenty of space we just got to get that stuff done hurry up we're pushing hurry up as fast as we can now is there money wait a minute i have i can't pass this up okay is there any money for an escalator a functional escalator out there [Laughter] that's the only reason he called you up that's it that's it because when i fly out the other one's not working and when i come back the back when it's not working we know when you're flying out we know how to shut it off he's here we'll throw the switch it's looking good you got lots of people coming in and out of there and playing in planes and the plane's looking like we're almost back to industry standard and that's nationwide san angelo's done very well even with the cost of plane

[2:54:26] tickets as high as they are right now we're still looking at 90 load factors and other questions for jeremy while we have him up here i don't see any okay thank you you totally ruined my three-minute presentation it was good stuff we're always glad to come along where we can and help the airport advance to become the world-class facility it can be you can move on to rail now give me a slow down i'll stop you appropriate next time instead of okay so i think that rail is is our future uh in san angelo we've got lots of prospects that are lining up for that when the border crossings open at presidio i think it's going to really change our economy will become a major distribution center don't you think we will become that before the rail crossing because i think that there are other companies looking at it right now that that are not necessarily right within interstate as well we could see some progress in that regard uh in developing warehousing space and that sort of thing i think it will really kick off though internationally especially chihuahua and sinaloa durango and some of those northern countries or parts of mexico are just chomping at the bit to get a shorter route for distribution and to not go through the overcrowded port of laredo as we saw a couple of weeks ago any questions about the rail port okay interstate 27 designation it has been federally designated and now

[2:56:27] the importance of having both i-14 and i-27 designated is that actually construction begins almost immediately because as they're making improvements to that uh designated route right now that can be done at interstate standards uh make them four lane uh and that sort of thing so we talked about before the statements made it you're 20 years off maybe for a full-blown interstate but you'll see sections of those interstates developing uh all along fact is i-27 already exists and has for a number of years between lubbock and amarillo and that stretch and so you'll see it developing in different stages during that time frame as well you see part of it right now with the 67 construction over across from howard college that's being done at interstate standards as well and also i-14 which is the gulf coast strategic highway coalition or forged the forts strategic corridor and of course just a reminder that those intersect in san angelo so the largest city without a interstate it will have two interstates the dynamics of san angelo will change dramatically in our industrial park we're gearing up also for that of course we have well-served industrial park that we're looking at expansion into but you'll continue to see in distribution uh additions to our uh business park uh phase one uh there were no property sales we still have about 17.6 acres uh left with seven acres under development in phase two we're opening up additional 118 acres and we already have prospects for a about a 10 acre

[2:58:28] addition to that already as soon as we get that property it's in the process of being cleared right now so future needs we'll continue uh to look at workforce development in conjunction with our chamber that's doing a great job of of really pushing that we'll emphasize our quality of life initiatives as we have been a type b we're not only recruiting businesses into san angelo we're developing quality of life projects the airport's a prime example of that your chadburn streetscape project others like that and we'll also collaborate with our development board to update our economic development strategic plan with the chamber we're glad to answer any questions that you might have i have questions for guy from anyone up here [Music] seeing none you're done thank you thank you good evening aaron venoy planning and development services i'm your pinch hitter tonight for john james who strategically decided to go on vacation so i'll go over our development services and building permits planning and gis group so here are some of our established goals over the last few years talking about re reviews timelines review timelines in particular provide good information to citizens and applicants effective and friendly customer service ensure ordinances and processes mesh with our comprehensive plan and consistency in the development review process and consistency is probably one of the biggest keys is that each customer that comes in hears the same message from any one of our development groups that we kind of work with

[3:00:30] so one thing that the city council invested in about five to six years ago was some plan review software to help us with the efficiency and to help us with what's going on in our development review and so we have been running any kind of project we can through our review software because it gets it out to our review teams all at the same time and so you can see you know lots of commercial plans our plats our site plans and our design reviews are all going through there our residential plans are all going through there now and even our engineering services has started taking advantage of of this and doing all their infrastructure reviews in there as you know new streets uh new water lines new um sewer lines and stuff and and things that are going in there and they're able to see and say hey engineer of a we need to change this because of elevation or something and so it's really working well the local engineers and even our our groups statewide like this software they're getting used to it uh it's easy communication with the reviewers and it gets directly to whoever made that comment not just somebody in the department it gets back to that reviewer specifically so some of our stuff over the last few years commercial plan review one of the things that we track is how fast are we doing those reviews our standard is a 21 calendar day uh review time line uh in 2021 we were down to six days so within six days those applicants either got a permit or comments back saying we need changes on sheet two or sheet three and then the second review the average review for after submissions is five days and so usually within 11 calendar days a person that's doing a commercial structure which sometimes can be big sometimes can be just minor things within 11 days they should be getting that permit and so on the development services side we track the timelines and we try to encourage our reviewers to let's keep up

[3:02:32] with the timelines and keep going and so we think we've done really well on commercial review the next slide is our residential residential really just started in 2020 as far as going into project docs and then we started getting more and more projects in there of course 2020 was a very high year for residential single-family projects and you can see how high that number was 7.26 that was because one project called creek 27 had about 250 units that were reviewed as single-family residential but really kind of in reality they're detached apartments this year we're probably going to be between that 283 and that 333 number for single family units we've through we've done about 99 so far our average review time is 2.35 days and that is very very quick um if you look at some of the other cities around abilene is at 10 days for residential midland odessa is at 15. and i'm sure some of you all have heard other places that are even higher than that so our staff is is really doing well uh you can see our planning timelines are staying strong uh our engineering services even with the software has helped them get it into a format that they can see and understand and make comments quickly uh and so they're they're able to see that as a benefit to them so we're excited that they're able to use that uh software as well um we have increased in our consultations in drc's and i think this is really critical because this is where we try to talk with the applicants before they even submit something and try to get them through not only the process but what's really required and how what the real timelines are going to be and i think that has really improved our review timeline because we're talking to them ahead of time instead of just getting some sheets of paper or some plans and they really don't know what they turned in and then it's taken review after review after review and

[3:04:35] that's even helped with our our engineering services who speak for water utilities and operations so if they see hey there's a lift station that's got full capacity they get to talk to them here before somebody submits something and say hey we've got to find a way to solve that lift station or hey that road's undersized or whatever it may be and so that's really critical that we get all those departments together and talk to those folks about what the not only the challenges are but what are solutions to help people to get through those processes some of our plan and ordinances updates there was this last year a expansion particularly to the west and northwest of the central business district over towards abe and coenheim kind of a little bit to the west of the central city district we did do an update to our street wits and sidewalk ordinance that we worked with the home builders association on a lot of developers on that they actually have some options of some narrower street widths which actually helps the city in the long run because you have wide streets you got to maintain those for a very long time if you have a little bit narrower street you don't have to maintain as much each at least the developer now has some options where before they were kind of tied into certain things in progress here soon y'all are going to see the interstate highway thoroughfare plan amendment particularly for the north part of our town uh that we've been working with txdot that they have an a kind of an approved plan and so we're going to bring that forward uh as well as a downtown historic district overlay we stop right there why is there such a delay that was supposed to have been brought to council for approval in may which one mim the downtown historic district overlay i'm not 100 sure i know the answer to that i know that we were making sure that we did proper noticing but i'm not sure if i know the 100 answer of why it was delayed okay yeah but i mean you already passed the

[3:06:49] deadline that we're supposed to you sent out earlier so why weren't you aware of those things earlier when we found out that those guidelines are covered if we approve something without following those then it could bite us later so we agree we would like it happening sooner than not but that's the only way we could get it done and make sure it was all done properly problem we needed it done i do know it is on the dhrc agenda for for june they also moved that timeline on a mayor i think i for station on that so the the timeline got moved up because they could do the i don't know dhrc or planning commission and then the council meeting was the day after that and they're going to put it directly on that next meeting date so that there's no delay in there because whatever their recommendation is we can verbally give to you all we don't need to wait for that to come in a report we can tell you at the meeting we need to get it done whatever it takes it needs to get done okay and then another option that they're looking at for particularly affordable housing and we're really in the research phase of accessory drill accessory dwellings in rs 1 and 2. we do have currently some rules in our zoning ordinance it based based on ownership and house how large an accessory apartment can be we like those types of things but there's there's lots of if we pull our report on how many accessory dwellings are being built that don't have a kitchen that's basically how they kind of do it now is they don't have a kitchen well if you look in some of our newer neighborhoods most of those have what they call a mother-in-law suite they just don't have a kitchen because our zoning ordinance doesn't allow two two living spaces on one piece of property does that need to change maybe maybe not but that's something what happens if i

[3:08:52] convert my garage into an apartment it depends on what your zone if you're rs1 right now you would not be allowed and we don't know if that's good or bad i mean that's really something we need to research i've already done that what now because there's a lot already done i i mean a lot of them already done there are a lot of them that are already done and so they would be either legal non-conforming or maybe they're in a status that they shouldn't be renting that out we are just a complaint basis of if we go and investigate but that's what we're trying to decide well do we have a lot of them out there and do we go ahead and make them legal does that make sense grandfather men and women do we grandfather them in do we do we find a way to make it work and so we are bringing that research forward what does this state say about that since we're always like the state says what does the state say well the state really doesn't have an opinion on it and since it's a zombie are you kidding the state doesn't have an opinion on it that's got to be a first well it's me it's a zoning item and it's really each city gets to choose their zoning ordinance on how they'll be the next legislative session yeah they make you change at that point but this is a a lot of cities i mean abilene has gone to where you can have two an accessory apartment that you can rent out as well as your own living dwelling on one lot they did that about five years ago they thought they'd have a lot of problems and they really haven't they actually solved a lot of problems because they were a community that grew in world war ii and they have a lot of those existing things and i think about our sanerita area that have those existing things and well how can we make those those work for today it's already happened and it's already happened they're there so we need to just move forward and make it because they're there we're not talking about something that might happen it's happened yeah so we will be bringing forward some research and proposals to planning commission and ultimately city council to decide what what is best for our community in that respect some other things i don't remember for i know that i saw this it said new building codes i think

[3:10:55] we're on the 2015 building codes right now we would have communication with our development task force if there's things that they would like to see implemented or not implemented i know sign ordinance is coming if with some updates um as well as cleaning up some of our things that might be a little more restrictive and trying to make them a little cleaner so that citizens understand how they can do things uh flag lots is a challenging configuration of how lots are laid out some of our areas have you know five or six little bitty five foot slivers that touch the road and then the big lots at the back and so we're trying to figure out how how to work through that because that crams a lot of infrastructure in a small piece of space at the very front of a lot and there becomes property arguments and issues later down the road and we're trying to solve those before they become a big thing a simplified plating process plating process is our infrastructure trigger and infrastructure is our biggest challenge when it comes to development water lines sewer lines and streets it just costs a lot to do those as shane and allison have talked about it cost a lot and so for developers it costs a lot is there a simplified planning process for some situation that makes this easier for developers to create new things as well as our vested rights process make sure that we're all up to date on vested rights if somebody's got a preliminary plat from the 20s is it still good and those types of things so we do have some housing development numbers because that's kind of been important over the last few years you know what you can see kind of the multi-family has been a little bit mixed but we have had some apartment creation over the last three years we do know that there's about three different apartment complexes that are are speculating right now that are either going through a planning process or are considering a planning process one of them had an annexation off of appaloosa trail they're looking at about i think 87 units out there and so we have some more multi-family

[3:13:00] that'll be coming in where's wolf creek on there wolf creek is that 2022 that they're go they got their occupancy well they're getting their occupancy now um but they i believe they permitted in 2018 or 2019. i think it was 2019 it's when they secured their permit to build yeah but they have started getting occupancy now the first i think 15 buildings uh have certificate of occupancies is the last count i had and so those when do we include them when they okay so if they got their permit still it doesn't reflect it in here because you have creek 27 and you have wolf creek which the combination of those two would be over 400 units right and this is when the permit is actually issued so we issued the permit not when they received their certificate of occupancy wolf creek wouldn't show up in these because they were they were reviewed as single-family home because they were detached they aren't attached apartments and so under the building i mean creek 27 creek 27 yes ma'am sorry about that but wolf creek i believe they permitted in 2019 because it was right at the beginning of covid and they were trying to decide if they were going to move forward or not and so they permitted each structure as one permit and then they have approximately 20 units per structure so that's that's some of the numbers in there let me ask you a question um do we have and let me see what it's called an electric an electric board electrical board electrical board to approve for example there are people in town that are going in and installing generators in people's homes without a permit to do that and they don't have an electrical license here in the city of san angelo so when they do the work

[3:15:01] it is inadequate and it's running the entire electrical system within a home and when it's been brought forward they have we have said back to them unless we see them doing that work we can't do anything about it and yet people have paid to have these generators installed so you would think just by the nature they got an invoice and a company name we could track down who these people are yes ma'am that does sound like something that we should be enforcing um and so if you if you have some information i'd be happy to stick around well i just got this weekend i'll get yeah normally they would all be required to get a permit through the work to begin with but if there's a company in town that's doing the work without a permit then you know we can look into that as far as yeah that would be our standard enforcement that we would go and one we would try to help the homeowner or whoever try to find a reputable company to hey let's get into compliance find a way to get that fixed but as far as going after the business or the contractor if you will we would we would certainly flag them as an issue in our system in this case it doesn't sound like they're coming in to get a permit so we wouldn't be able to you know jump on them i mean i can read this to you but it's kind of lengthy but it basically says this person went to this customer's house and the man introduced her to the individual that was going to install this generator she went inside her house pulled them up and went back outside and told them that they could leave because they were not licensed she called the city and told them and asked them if they were okay with what was going on before she called these other people and they said no but nothing's happening to stop this company from going around and doing these generators city does not have a process where we have contractors licensed for doing business in the city yes i know right so in this case they wouldn't have to be licensed with the city to to operate here

[3:17:07] i think this might be our last slide talking about new single-family housing again looking at that number about 291 which is still a very strong number for san angelo there are a number of lots under development um particularly the south part of town and yet we've done really really well with infield development even on the north side of town we are working with our gis system on the north side of town do what i just heard that phrase even on the north side of town well yes sorry about that tom it's okay performance review we need to do we need to relook at the infield dollars again i mean there's two things that i hear number one the infield's done really well and we're out of money and then number two i hear from the other side of the coin there's no more infill lots to do so we need to re-look at the areas of town that might need an infill program to better develop those areas so i think it's just something we ought to look at as we move forward and see if those two issues are applicable we need more to put more money back into it if we spent the 200 000 a year and then number two is there another area of town that would be infill that we would like to see development happen that's not currently being done because they're not in the current infill i think we can work with bob solis on that and get a report to you guys coming up soon and and make some recommendations okay that'd be great i think that's it any other questions for development services or just throw one kudos in and you're aware of this the other people in the room are not the company which i worked for contacted me and said oh by the way we hear you're on city council but our contractor is waiting on these permits and all of these things to go when i threw an email 10 seconds later to aaron and it came back in three minutes no we're waiting on them to do this this this and that and i think sometimes a lot of people

[3:19:09] throw the city under the bus parks i mean planting and just use it as an excuse for we're not doing this and i just want to say thank you for your group because you changed that whole thing around in a matter of hours and the whole perception on what was the holdup was nothing to do with the city at all but we were waiting on them to get their stuff in and you had it documented to a t and it was a nice job thank you we certainly want to be very transparent but even when we're in the wrong we want to be transparent for for sure and so that's how we improve and i think we do have a really good team that's that's focused on trying to help the customer i just think we need to make sure that we're consistent because the biggest complaint i get is he said that she said this what am i supposed to do because she won't let me move forward because he said whatever and those are the biggest issues that i hear about now is someone holding it up with him because she said he didn't know what he was talking about and i'm the boss so no i mean we got to clear up that within the department permits and planning that we're all on the same page and we're not under a power struggle for the ability to give the authority to move forward and it feels like there's a lot of power struggle going on there and people are looking for their opportunity to yeah and please counsel as a whole if you all hear those kind of things tell us we lost oh i do i know i'm quick and as with tom's you know sometimes we find that we have that has happened where there's but a lot of times we find where there's some misinformation that was not given out and so we want to correct that whether it's fixing the problem for them to move forward or if we've done something wrong then we'll correct it but yeah we want it all to move forward and we know that hiring staff is a difficult thing so we need to try to make the system work thank you okay any other questions or comments from city council members thank you aaron very much we're glad you filled in is that does that include commercial

[3:21:17] development and industrial development because they were all listed separately so that is all one presentation good we get across some more things off this itinerary that's good long-awaited public safety police frank carter and boys you're on walking a little too fast walking the fine line the thin blue line isn't that what we say the first thing frank i want to say is we need to get added to the cip plan the police station the new police station that's one thing missing on the cip plan we need to get it on the plan i'm not sure what number we use but i think we just get a number sort of attached to it and let's get it's not that it's going to hold us up but let's get it on the cip plan it needs to be added to that thank you very much we get started here and run through this our current num number is foreign officers for 2022 we're authorized 180 by council we're currently at 170 officers sworn officers we just lost one that was going through training decided he wasn't fit for the job we got seven cadets in the academy right now right now that will graduate september the 30th and we have 32 civilian employees public safety communication we have 14 total dispatchers as of may 9th eight fully trained two in training and four in the hiring process i'll do the uh some of this presentation as we all know one of the report cards that a police department gets on on how they're doing is a city's crime rate so that's what some of this presentation is about so a little bit of history chief carter

[3:23:19] was sworn in in july of 2016. 2016 was san angelo's highest crime rate in recent history there were 450 part one crimes per month on what part one is that's going to be uh larceny unauthorized use of vehicles aggravated assaults serious crimes you know sexual assaults over a four year period chief carter obtained 15 additional officers by working with city council and city management officers were utilized in areas that we we saw in need anti-crime criminal investigations narcotics and traffic also we were able to appropriately appropriately staff the patrol division for the first time in a decade as a result a cumulative part one crime rate in san angelo fell 44 percent or to 246 part 1 crimes per month so so this is just a slide showing our calls for service and and if it all works out we'll have about 90 in the 90 000 range again this year this was april of 2022. some of the some of the things that were done with that increase in manpower we increased the number of narcotics detectives illegal narcotics play a key role in many other crimes violent crime including violent crime narcotics unit has seized approximately 210 pounds of methamphetamine six pounds of cocaine and three pounds of heroin here in the city since 2016. in 2017 the sapd started the anti-crime unit it was designed to reduce the number it was a proactive unit to catch crimes as they're being committed they focused on repeat offenders who are continuing to commit crimes and since 2019 that unit has arrested 521 individuals the department increased the number of

[3:25:21] detectives assigned a criminal investigations division we added a child crimes detective and a cold case detective and we did clear two cold case homicides by arrest the traffic safety program we changed the guidelines for the program officer we looked at hot spots areas of there were serious serious high-speed crashes school zones complaint zones and this this change was made to reduce the number of traffic accidents and from 2016 to present there was a 10 decrease in accidents we implemented a dw where we've revived the dwi step program they were trained in new software and from 2019 to 2021 the dwi rests increased 151 percent as a result this is basically a chart of the part one crimes if you look over there to the left column mayor you'll see what the part one crimes are which is murder sexual assault robbery aggravated assault burglary larson and motor vehicle theft uh these are the stats on part one reported crimes from 2010 to present not included in that 44 decrease is the four months of 2022 we're tracking 11 decrease right now future goals and needs competitive pay new law enforcement training academy and refurbish the city hall annex and move the entire police department there or a new police building sure it's there it's been on there for several years yes ma'am but the dollars are different so we just need to update it because it's not that huge big number right

[3:27:25] so much better probably so that's big on my priority list is getting that for that that building redone and ready for you all i think it's a really important issue it's huge on my list of projects that need to get completed not later soon i do want to point out as well that previously um the the the price tag for the the police department or the the station was about 40 million dollars so i know the guys have been working as far as the amount to bring that mountain down to the six million dollar figure which is much more manageable for um for what we as far as the money is that we have so we do we do appreciate that we're doing that i just think the presence of our police department being on boa guard and bryant boulevard is key and you've been living in a facility that i don't think i have an adjective for it but you might have but it needs to be we need to get it done for y'all that's key i think that's huge hugely important questions comments certainly the statistics that you present today the city should be beyond proud of the work the effort the leadership and those numbers speak highly towards the leadership the plan of action for this city in terms of dealing with the crime and in today's world of being a police officer you've had a lot of challenges because there's been a lot of national issues out there and you all have done a great job of staying positive keeping focus on the job and getting the job done and i have nothing but highest of regards for the work and effort of your leadership from frank chief howard and tracy chief spencer so thank you for that we appreciate it mayor it's certainly a group effort from these guys down our command staff the first lounge supervisor but the most credit goes to the boots on the ground it does the ones

[3:29:28] doing the majority of the work both civilian and sworn but they're getting it done and they do it because i think they have good leadership and they're willing they understand the plan and the plan has produced the results that we need to see so thank you thank you ma'am yes please larry i wonder if chief you could talk about the competitive pay aspect of it we you did get a pay raise but i just like to know how it's working with y'all guys and whether they believe that we're still uh we got more work to do i believe there's more work to do and then i think if maybe the next council media may come up as far as um compar comparative cities and comparative pay any other questions or comments for these guys they've been around all day waiting for us to get to this point so be good if somebody had a question or comment because they've waited all day to do this good job i will add this it's getting very difficult to find applicants basically probably because the environment we're in and the pay we've had an opening for police applicants civil service tests for about two months and the last time i checked we probably had 20 applicants historically it's been a while back since we did it but there was two 250 people that signed up life's changed a lot in so many ways and it's a national trend police officer applications are down 60 nationwide but we're seeing it here and certainly incidents have happened this past week have so yes please someone else had tom frank so when you're trying to get people to apply and come in we're not really structured to bring somebody in laterally correct it's all right so when you come in you're starting at the bottom and coming up that's correct so the ability to get somebody seasoned in that you don't have to train i mean is there a cost when you look at what it costs to train somebody versus bringing

[3:31:30] somebody in that's already met the requirements i mean is that something are you structured the way you want to be structured or is there something you need to do different that allow you some flexibility to pick up some people the only thing that will allow us to do the lateral program is basically through meet and confer based on civil service rules a lot of departments are not civil servants or they do have meet and confer and the laterals in the contract most of these apartment departments are putting the starting salaries very high because they're not having to invest a hundred thousand dollars in the cadet so that starting salary for whatever department is generally about fifteen thousand dollars more than the starting salary here okay answered my question thanks frank you guys had to wait all day thank you very much thank you so the good news is working so the good news is i'm the last presenter the bad news i've got like 240 slides have those pen marked we'll go through this as quick as i can so let's focus on 2021 some of our accomplishments seven purchased in the tail end of 2020 placed into service in 2021 ladder 7 provides aerial support to the southwest sector of our city and uh if y'all familiar we had an apartment fire and this engine was the first one on scene so very effective so we implemented a new health and fitness initiative we purchased about 10 concept 2 rowers and if y'all have ever seen those it is a very cardio based and it's a total body total body workout and

[3:33:35] we purchased this equipment established a mandatory printed training program and then we created the annual pt test kind of modeled after the dps system it's a percentage based on your age your body weight your height and our goal our target goal we set a baseline for all of our employees we tested the entire department set a baseline and now our new target goal is 70 of vo vo2 max and there's a whole bunch of science into that but uh 70 means that you you're in very good shape based on your age and your body composition and whether you are fit for duty basically so i'm not going to tell you my score so tiffany's capabilities uh tiffany's texas intra state firefighter mutual aid system so there's two parts why this is a great program to be part of uh first it's a great being a great neighbor whenever there's any departments across the state of texas that need resources for a catastrophic catastrophic event or wildfire they submit a request form through the uh tiffmas program they reach out to other departments that can lend resources we respond and our city our employees and our city will get compensated for that accordingly based on what is sent out we increased our capabilities last year we had about two engine bosses and that's equivalent to like an officer on an engine they command one or or they command two to three personnel and then we had about 20 participants that met the requirements for tiffmas we've increased that to a strike team leader one strike team leader trainee who is almost completed he will take a group of five resources with five engine bosses and five total crews and they'll run an entire sector of a fire um we've increased our two engine bosses up to six engine bosses and 40 deployable team members and this first the last three months of this year

[3:35:38] we have been very active in the tiffman's program we had units up in wichita falls where our strike team leader went to wichita falls and ran an entire division up there we had when they finished in wichita falls they moved down to the abilene fire i'm sure all of y'all saw all over the news we had units there on the ground making an impact in our state we sent units down to the sonora area called it's a wpu program wildland paramedic unit they were down there to provide support for other tiff miss units that were there but they provided the medical side of it anyways and a brand new program called the rim team rapid extrication module these are going to be required on every type one fire event in the state of texas and there are only two rem teams in the state of texas and we are one of them so any type one incident we're going to get called on that type one incident so like abilene was a type one incident and um it's a big incident that they're bringing in federal units for so um deployments uh we had one deployment in california and six across the state of texas as of when i created this powerpoint now we've got about nine deployments across the state of texas right now i'm looking very forward to what uh tiffmas develops into in the future one of the benefits is whatever unit that we send we get paid for that daily actually we get paid for that hourly in this very short period of time not only do you recapture the cost of that unit you're also putting money in the bank to purchase another unit and you know i think it's really important that this time of year when we're sitting around talking about budget that we're not sitting around with our hand out like i need more to run my organization i need more to run my department that we start exploring different avenues where our department can generate our own revenue now to supplement our budget and this stiffness program is absolutely one of

[3:37:41] those resources one of those programs to help us supplement and move into the future and get state of the art equipment that maybe wouldn't be available without this program so our training academy they've done some pretty neat stuff over there this year they've hosted two regional area schools for a local volunteer community and i find this be to be very very important we have 16 m volunteer organizations that surround the city san angelo and i don't believe a firefighter their worth is based on whether they receive a paycheck or not so i am very motivated to reach out to our volunteer community find out what needs they have help facilitate those needs we have a 4 million training academy i would love for our volunteer community come in share that facility with us we can all learn from each other and move into the future and maybe host statewide training at this at our at our new facility we hosted two national fire academy courses and the national fire academy is up in emmitsburg we can send firefighters up there for training or we can bring an instructor down here and train the entire region at a localized area and it doesn't cost our city a dime to bring this train in here and then our local personnel get the national training so we hosted two of those courses and i went to one of them it was actually fascinating so we started negotiations with teaks i don't know if y'all know what that is texas engineering extension they are affiliated with texas a m we've started negotiations with their command staff to potentially form an agreement for their annual fire school so texas a m is landlocked they have they cannot accept any more students for their annual school what chief dunn had kind of set a vision out for years ago as a partnership with teks there are overflow students coming to san angelo and living here for three

[3:39:43] months food on a plate and head in a bed and these cadets running through our fire academy and they would pay us for that again here's another revenue source so it's very important to me to move forward with this teks agreement because it's a generating a revenue generating format for us and then of course the picture in the background i couldn't help myself i had to put that in there so that is a metal car that we set on fire and it's got a propane system underneath it and that is one of the requirements tekx has certain check boxes that they have to meet and one of the areas that we didn't have was one of these car fire trainers and the pitcher up above is a propane tank trainer teex is very specific with the curriculum that we have to meet so that car trainer was instrumental in moving us forward for that looks very realistic it actually so what's really neat and i don't want to brag too much but uh that car trainer is 50 000 we did not pay 50 000 for it because i'm an incredibly talented member of our department that is a welder and this the the plan came to me a couple of years ago and i said we need a car trainer we got to have one when i was over the training academy at the battalion chief with it we need a car trainer started pricing it the the burner system the propane pilot system is 25 000. and that i don't want the liability of building that because if something goes wrong and it points back that there was a problem with that propane prop i didn't i didn't want the city or myself to have that liability to build that now the metal car is just bent and welded metal but let's go back you see the wheels see that that is so cool our one of our firefighters he cut those fire axes out of there all these doors actually function the hood is counterweighted so when you do lift it it's not the full plate steel that you're lifting up you can't see the front of it but the headlights used to be one of the tactics that you

[3:41:46] bust bust out the headlight to access an engine compartment fire but like i said one of our guys built this for 7 000 instead of 25. so anyways had to brag a little bit so engine replacement we actually secured the funding for two new engines in 2021 engine 5 actually was at the very beginning of this year so engine 5 and engine 3 are set to be replaced uh they are due to begin production in april of 23 with completion of june of 23. it takes a really long time to build a fire truck so our focus moving into the future has finalized this partnership with teks i told you why i'm so passionate about that it's a huge revenue source for our city and for our department um i want to start with the basic fire academy and then see where that goes from there i would like to to have a discussion on securing funding for to complete our firefighter bunker gear project so the nfpa national fire protection agency has set out a standard that every firefighter should have two sets of bunker gear currently we have about 50 percent of our department that has two sets the nfpa has not made this a mandate and the texas fire commission has not adopted it so at this point it is still a you should rather than you shall so we chief dunn saw the writing on the wall this is going to turn into an unfunded mandate and we need to get ahead of it before we have to buy 180 sets of gear right now so like i said we've got about 50 of the apartment in two sets in order to complete the project we would need about 90 sets at about 3 000 a set so about 270 000 um a fire truck replacement program currently and we receive about 250 000 a year for capital allocation we cash flow our fire trucks and when that was originally

[3:43:49] established a fire truck cost about 250 to 300 000. now they're about 750 to 800 000. so at the minimum it's taking three to three and a half year three to four years to get enough funding to purchase one fire truck and there's 10 fire trucks that's a 30 year replacement and back to the nfpa they recommend a 10 year replacement on an engine and a 15-year replacement on a ladder truck because of our maintenance program and our lower call volume we were able to push that a little bit and uh push the engine replacement to a 15 and the latter replacement to a 20 but with the current allocation it was just just making it very difficult to stay on track with this replacement program so cosa dc talk to you all about interstate 14 27 the railroad um lots of activity coming to san angelo which is going to mean population boost and trying to get ahead of the issue because it takes a while to build a fire station um i kind of forecast in the next 10 years we're going to need two more fire stations minimum two more fire stations so now is the time to start looking for land and potentially trying to find funding resources to purchase this land and they're not making any more of it and the price keeps going up so and then expansion at the training center this teks program we need another classroom right now it's pretty pretty jam-packed out there as far as classroom sizes and facility sizes we would like to have about a 7 000 square foot training room training classroom only and then of course the arf trainer the aircraft trainer that is a long term goal if we can get an aircraft trainer at that facility dfw charges five

[3:45:52] thousand 000 per student just to go to through their trainer now this aircraft trainer comes with a pretty hefty price tag but uh you know shane talked about grants grants grants grants there are a lot of grants out there and unfortunately no it's not unfortunate it's actually a good thing but a lot of the volunteer community gets gets most of those grants of course they don't have a steady income stream in the last year and a half two years uh chief fisher and myself have applied for four grants and we've not gotten a single one of them but we're not gonna stop trying because the money's out there we're just gonna keep asking and uh this aircraft trainer the only way we're gonna be successful and actually turn a profit and um is if it's funded through a grant so we're continuously looking for an aircraft trainer grant so we can move forward with that program as well you have any questions for me no i think your focus for 2023 is probably far more aggressive than there's available funds so i think you need to get some priorities established yes ma'am i i do have some priorities established on that of the things that absolutely need to happen some things that should happen and things that would be nice to happen so questions for cheap brodie thank you very much and thank you for waiting around all day long as well we hope you enjoyed learning more about your city today yes ma'am good job thank you patrick i think pd was wondering if any of those rowers left over they're welcome to come by anytime and use them i'm thinking they could have a contest between pd and fire department all right well we're moving into item e which is establishing confirming

[3:47:54] priorities for 2022 and 2023 and funding options i'm not sure why we would even be looking at funding options as a part of the conversation today because there's so many things that there's funding issues about so we're not going to talk about funding options today we're just going to talk about establishing and confirming the priorities which without a doubt there's no question that infrastructure is a number one priority and with infrastructure is very inclusive of drainy streets water is a very big priority we've laid out a pretty good plan for water for the next 70 years so i don't think there's a question there maximizing our assets there is a game plan for that and that's always been one of the key priorities and those are really about the planes trains and automobiles maximizing our airport making sure the engineering work is done so we can maximize lake nasworthy which is a key priority for us and economic development project mainta supporting the downtown historic district as a key part of our economic development strategy and um with that what else daniel these are the three priorities i mentioned a while ago they've been confirmed for the past five years uh we we do present this information like we've had in previous years and it's obvious that council members have always decided that these are the areas that we should be concentrating on and we should be so at this point it's just a matter of uh either just either confirming what we've already established or talking about anything else that may be added but right now typically in the past five years really has been these are the solid ones and we should concentrate on these okay with that yes tommy i have a question yes sir um daniel could we add a priority or are we are we whatever mandated do we have to to stick with three no i mean you could i mean you could definitely add if that's what you want to do if that's

[3:49:56] what you want to discuss but city council we're just looking for that direction and that's it so i have been over the course of the past year i have become concerned uh more and more that we have not had a really discussion like we've had with some of these departments today with respect to our and this isn't just about one year but our overall compensation plan i think we have issues at our entry levels i think we have issues in our mid-ranges and while shane doesn't know but he touched i think on one of our positions that's probably been vacant almost two years it seems to me that we as a council should make as a priority a conversation again this isn't about just one year chief carter mentioned it but let's let's talk about our overall compensation the structural we have structural issues so i have learned through conversations with different people department directors etc that they have trouble not only hiring people but even attracting people when in fact we have become our own competition or lack thereof so i would like to see the council add as a strategic priority our overall compensation plan that's me as one council member i think we can discuss it i think last year we made a pretty big step forward on that by doing the retain what was the program we approved last year loyalty pay that was a huge big issue and i say this that certainly personnel is one of the greatest assets we have in this city but i know that this issue of pay doesn't lie strictly with the city it lies with every industry every employer in this in the state in city of san angelo

[3:51:59] it employees are becoming short in terms of the numbers applying for jobs all over the place getting employees is tough i don't care what industry you're in right now and i don't think it means that we shouldn't reevaluate but we certainly made a big step forward last year in the loyalty pay that was a big chunk of money that was well deserved and well placed and good strategic move um so i have no problem i mean i think people are a priority i think they're one of the and i think we discussed it last year maybe even a year before that people are one of our greatest assets and you can't get a lot done if you don't have employees so i think it has to be a part of the conversation we will at some point through human resources presentation talk about it and we can ask further questions in terms of what we other information we think might be needed or an analysis that might need to be done so we're better informed i hope we don't just talk about it right here and then set it to the side and act as if we don't so i'm going to say daniel just as one council member to you as city manager i hope this becomes more of a focus for us year in and year out to make sure we are where we need to be um and i'm not candidly i'm not sure where that is but we we had never had a really i'm going to say a hundred thousand foot discussion about the issue the issues that exist today that maybe we could address that might go a long ways brenda like you say like the loyalty pay did last year so i would request daniel that y'all come back and it wouldn't be just the hr department talking to us but let us hear from some of the people that this actually affects day in and day out so that we can know how do we maybe begin to address these things that's just again me as one council member when we should and i also want to remind everybody 71 of the budget revenue goes towards employees

[3:54:02] right now i mean how much bigger can you make it and still have any money left over i mean 71 percent of the revenue stream that comes into this city through property tax and sales tax dollars and the other revenues it's 71 percent of our personnel well yeah yeah and that is big but again i think that's going to even brenda at some point that's going to have to grow too because of all the new development that we're getting at some point we're going to have to start talking about more employees anyway again this is the kind of remember 71 of the revenue so if you have increased sales tax and increase you're already if you stick with the 71 percent it's more dollars because the revenue is larger so the question mark is how do we have that discussion we need to have that discussion we'll have that discussion and then decide what to do but that loyalty pay last year was supposed to be a big step forward and i'm hoping it proves to be that way yeah don't let don't let it die on this demon you know and and definitely we understand definitely i definitely understand because i do hear it myself but on our part and in preparation of course going into the budget as well we can have information put together ready to go the city council can review and that's uh we can take it up at that point well and as as we hear from different people again not only hr but you know give us some options to go along with okay here's some things you could do or here's some things you might consider doing so that it's not just okay well if we don't do this then we don't do anything but maybe some different ways to address some of the issues that that exist i'm glad to have the conversation i have had with with uh employees that i'm sure you've probably had but i'm glad to let you know what they told me so i'm willing to do that all right with that uh do i have an announce um and a motion for an adjournment for this meeting i'll move we adjourn yeah i got it second by tom and uh any public comment on wanting

[3:56:07] to continue with this for a few hours longer i think we're done if not we're done tina wanted us to stay another app

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