San Angelo City Council 4-1-25

[0:00:00] April 1. Let me just warn you ahead of time, no jokes at the microphone. Everything's got to be upfront, honest, and to the point. And we'll leave the jokes for later on in the afternoon. With that, we will start this meeting at officially at 8:30 a.m. And we will start with our chaplain prayer and pledges with Chaplain Marcela Jenkins leading us in both today. Good morning. Good morning. Another day, another journey. Praise God. Um, will you bow your head as I pray? Dear wise and loving father, I want to thank you for many abundant blessings. Thank you for its life itself, for the measure of health we need to fulfill our callings, for substance and for friendship. Thank you for the ability to be involved in useful work and for the honor of bearing appropriate responsibilities. Thank you as well for the freedom to embrace you. And thank you for loving us even so from your bountless and gracious nature. In the scripture, you have said that citizens ought to obey the governing authorities since you have established those very authorities to promote peace and order and justice. Therefore, if I pray for our mayor, the honorable Bernard Gunner, the various levels of city officials, and in particular for this assembly council, and for our first responders, I'm asking that you graciously grant them wisdom to govern among the conflicting interest and issues of our times, a sense of welfare and true needs of our people, a keen thirst for justice and righteousness, confidence in what is good and fitting, the ability to work together in harmony and even when there's a honest disagreement, personal peace in their

[0:02:02] lives and joy in their task. I pray for the agenda set before them today. Please give them an assurance of what would please you and what would benefit those who live and work in and around our beloved city of St. Angelo. And Lord, last but not least, I pray for rain. It is in your most blessed name I pray. Amen. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible. Honor the Texas I aliance to the Texas one state under God one and indivisible. Our first proclamation today is the fair housing month. So those of you who are here today to represent fair housing, please come forward. It's good to see you, dear. Hello again. The Fair Housing Act enacted on April 11th, 1968 enshrined into federal law the goal of eliminating racial segregation and ending housing discrimination in the United States. The Fair Housing Act prohibits discrimination in housing based on race, color, religion, sex, familiar status,

[0:04:06] national origin, and disability, and commits recipients of federal funding to affirmatively further fair housing in their communities. The St. Angelo Association of Realtors is committed to the mission and intent of Congress to provide fair and equal housing opportunities for all. and our social fabric, the economy, health, and environment are strengthened in diverse, inclusive communities. More than 50 years after the passage of the Fair Housing Act, discrimination persists, and many communities remain segregated, and acts of housing discrimination and barriers to equal housing opportunity are repugnant to a common sense of decency and fairness. Therefore, I, Brenda Gunter, mayor of the city of St. Angelo, Texas. On behalf of the city council, do hereby proclaim the month of April 2025 as fair housing month in St. Angelo, Texas. As an inclusive community committed to fair housing and to promoting appropriate activities by private and public entities to provide and advocate for equal housing opportunities for all residents and prospective residents of St. Angelo, Texas. so much. Hey, good morning everyone. My name is Ashley Hambright and I'm here representing the St. Angelo Association of Realtors. I am joined today by immediate past president Sterling Frier and our West Texas field representative for Texas Realtors, Michael Reeves, as well as Shirley Spears. I'd like to begin by thanking Mayor Genter and our esteemed council members for their leadership and dedication to our community. Today we gather to recognize April as Fair Housing Month, a time to reflect on the importance of equal access to housing and to reaffirm our commitment. This month marks the anniversary of the Fair Housing Act passed in April of 1968, which prohibits discrimination in housing based on race, color, religion, sex, disability, familial status, and national origin. It was a critical step in ensuring that housing decisions are based on choice

[0:06:08] and financial ability, not bias or barriers. But fair housing is just a legal princ is not just a legal principle. It directly impacts the health of our housing market. A strong fair housing market benefits everyone. It ensures that individual individuals and families have access to safe, affordable housing while supporting a thriving local economy. As we observe fair housing month, let's take this opportunity to educate ourselves, support efforts to create inclusive housing policies, and reaffirm our dedication to ensuring that everyone has a fair chance at securing a place to call home. Thank you so much for having us today. Anyone else like to speak? All right. Our next proclamation is month of the military child. And I know we have individuals in the audience today to receive this proclamation. So please come forward. Come on. Since 1986, the Department of Defense has recognized military children during the month of April. The commitment and sacrifice of our

[0:08:10] military's youngest heroes in supporting the brave men and women of the US Armed Forces is worthy of honor and celebration. The unique demands upon the children of our military personnel do not go unnoticed from often being the new child in school or the feeling of missing a parent deployed while serving our country. Here in St. Angelo, we are blessed to have Goodfellow Air Force Base. Strong military families that call our community home add so much to our West Texas community. Today and for the month of April, we will make a special effort to lift up our military families and to salute them and the contribution and resilience of our military children. As part of this salute, St. Angel is partnering with the city of St. Angelo to honor our military families and children. The city and SISD invite our St. Angel community to join in our salute and gratitude. Therefore, I, Brenda Gunter, mayor of the city of St. Angelo, Texas, on behalf of the city council and together with St. Angelo Independent School District administrators, principals, educators, staff, and students do hereby proudly proclaim the month of April as month of the military child and urge all the citizens of St. Angelo to acknowledge the occasion of this month in honor and recognition of the outstanding strength of our military children and families and in gratitude of their sacrifice. Who would like to receive this? Well, it is an honor. I'm Chris Moran, superintendent of St. Angelo ISD. It's really an honor to recognize our military uh connected students and Commander McGinness. Uh this a this morning I'd like to just make a couple of comments directly to you and your staff for uh for gratefulness from the district. Uh the word indelible means that there's an imprint that cannot be uh removed or erased and Commander

[0:10:14] McGinness and her leadership and her staff have made an impact on our school and our community that is indelible. uh it's indelible with the characteristics of excellence and high character. And so today, I'd like to just hand Colonel McInness something from the school district as a thank you and recognize what a great job and partnership we have with Goodfellow Air Force Base in your leadership. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mayor. Good morning, everyone. Uh on behalf of Goodfellow Air Force Base, the 17th Training Wing, and our military families, thank you. It is humbling to be a part of a community that so values uh our military families and certainly our military children. Uh they're born into families that have service members. Uh sometimes both both parents are service members, sometimes one, but they didn't ask for that. And yet we ask them to pick up their lives uh after they've made friends in a community and move to other places having to start over, build social networks, build friends, build activities and all of those things. Uh as well as try to get integrated into new schools. And I believe that St. Angelo is the best military friendly family community that I've ever been a part of. Uh because you all welcome us with open arms. And so I'm very grateful that you all are are recognizing our military children because they need your support as they continue uh this military lifestyle. Thank you. Let's go a Sure. [Laughter]

[0:13:19] We will now move into the public comment portion of our agenda today. Members of the public may raise issues or concerns not listed on the regular agenda during this time. To participate, please sign in with the city clerk prior to the beginning of the meeting. Speakers will be called in the order they signed in. When speaking, citizens must speak from the podium. Address all comments to the deis. Begin by stating your name and address to single member district number and limit their remarks to three minutes or less. Heather, do we have anyone who signed up for public comment? None this morning. All right, we will move on to this. Yes, sir. Would any member of the city council like to make any public comment at this point? All right. Uh, just to remind everyone, tonight at six o'clock at the Museum of Fine Arts, there will be the meeting to continue the discussion on the Cultural Arts District. With that, we'll move into the consent agenda. We will start by asking each council member if there's an item they would like to have pull. Larry, please. B is in boy. D is in dog. D is in dog. Karen, no ma'am. Lucy, no ma'am. Harry, no ma'am. Tom, nothing to pull. Tommy. All right. Let May I have a motion for approval of all items except for D, please? So move by Harry. Second. Second by Tommy. Public comment concerning any of the items on the uh uh consent agenda. None. With none, we'll take a vote. All those in favor say I. I. Consent agenda has passed except for item D. And item D is consider awarding sole source purchase of two Zodiac Texas task force rescue boat packages from Triad Marine and industrial supply for the amount of 63,000 753 and authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute all related documents. Would you have a question for

[0:15:21] Yes, ma'am. Uh, I believe this is a critical element for the fire department, but I'd like Chief Brody to explain its importance. And oh, yeah, you can throw a few of your heroes names out there, too. Yes, sir. Thank you. So, um, the tail end of last year, we did a needs assessment and risk assessment of St. Angelo and we determined a couple gaps in the service delivery model. And one of those gaps was a, uh, uh, rope, excuse me, a water rescue team. And, uh, creating a water rescue team is no easy lift. Uh, number one, we need equipment and we also need trained personnel to operate that equipment. So, the events on September 3rd last year, that swiftwater rescue event where um our rescue team pulled those seven individuals out of that out of that tree um really opened our eyes and the fact that we we got lucky is to to be frank, we got lucky. We needed a rescue boat. It would have made that operation a lot safer and then it would have also made it a lot faster. So uh we created a task force to analyze what we needed to create this team. And of course one of the first big ticket items in the first need was rescue boats. We need trained personnel. Currently our entire department is trained to the operations level. And uh in order to serve on a rescue boat team, you need to be uh technician level certified. We do have a handful of guys that are technician level trained. Um, so we need to step that up to our entire team being technician level certified. And then furthermore, in order to operate a boat, you have to have a boat operator's license, a rescue boat operator's license. So this task force analyzed different boats, different models, and determined that this Zodiac is going to meet the needs best for this team. Uh, meaning that not only can we back it into the water if we have access, you know, with a low line, gentle slope to get it put into the water, but our team can also manually pick it up and set it into the water, which um increases the deployability of that unit. And uh you can't just operate one task boat. They have to run in unis.

[0:17:25] You have to have two of them together to have one uh primary rescue boat and one backup. Um, so we looked at several different models out there and we settled on the Zodiac style just for the ease of deployability and the maneuverability in the water. Um, and then uh we looked across the state of Texas. We looked across the nation and uh Texas Task Force Texas Task Force One is the um, uh, gold standard for rescue operations in the state of Texas. Well, this indiv individual vendor was able to produce a Texas Task Force One Edition boat that Texas Task Force One actually uses. So, they were our our leading uh vendor. I did find another outfit out of California. They do not build to the Texas Task Force standards. And then also shipping it here was unreasonable and driving to go pick them up was also unreasonable. um the benefit of getting a Texas task force edition. We are very active in the tiffas world as y'all know and uh there are certain standards that tiffmas and Texas task force one um mandate for you to be deployable. And I wanted to make sure that the on the front end that we purchase a piece of equipment that not only we can use locally here, but we can also have the ability to deploy out in the Texas community to possibly generate revenue to reimburse the the cost of these boats. Um, an important uh key to these to these two boats is that uh there's no local dollars. Zero dollars out of the general fund is going to pay for these boats. This is money from the TiffMiss program uh to pay for them 100%. And we've received several donations from our community and I've ear tagged those donations for the specialized training for this program also. And again, uh Mr. Miller, you mentioned uh feel free to throw in a couple of the local heroes. Uh we were all here the day that we honored our rescue team and Texas uh Forest Service as they received their life-saving award and uh award of heroism and valor. U one of our one of our own Buddy Lemons will

[0:19:30] be awarded the the state level um medal of valor uh at the Texas Fire Chiefs Association in two weeks from now. So pretty proud of that. Any other questions on that, sir? Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you very Any other questions or comments from council for chief roadie? I thought this was an April Fool's joke. Nothing. Thank you. May I have a motion for approval of item D. Larry? Is there a second? Second by Lucy. Any public comment concerning this item? None. Then we will take a vote. All those in favor say I. I. Motion passes 70. That completes the agenda for consent and we will now move into our regular agenda. Comments regarding items on the regular agenda may be made by the public when each item is discussed as outlined above. To participate, please sign in with the city clerk prior to the beginning of the meeting. Speakers will be called in the order they signed in. Comments are limited to less than three minutes. Applicants, proponents, and appellants are exempt from the time limit above and instead must limit their remarks to less than five minutes. The first item is item A, keeps St. Angelo Beautiful's annual report. And today we have, as usual, executive director Charlotte Anderson to present. Charlotte, it's good to be with you guys today. Hey, there's a tire underneath this bridge right over here that you picked up. Okay, it's on my list. We do have a cleanup this weekend. So, um, while I'm waiting, do I need to just press forward here? Anyone who's in control of the air conditioning, it's chilly in here. Okay, looks like we're all systems go. Um, again, we want to thank city council, Mayor Gunter, Daniel Vanuela, especially Harry, um, for your vision and your inspiration to continue, um, this beautiful program to keep St.

[0:21:32] Angelo beautiful. We, this past year, um, we had over 20 events. We had over,500 volunteers and reached out to about 50,000 in our community, uh, who participated in several of the events that we were at. We're really proud of that. That gives us 4,721 hours of community service to the city of St. Angelo in clean, green, and beautiful initiatives. Um, in addition, that's about $158,000 value to the community. So, we're real proud of our work this past year. So, of those 28 events, 14 were cleanups, and these are a few of our teams. We do recap at the Girl Scout House and um we have our Don't Mess with Texas trash off as well as our fall sweep events there. So, always very exciting. Again, our don't mess with Texas trash off this Friday and it's still not too late to have a team. Let's talk about tires. 3,100 tires this year. This year we had 62 participants. Um the best number that we've had in five years. Is that a good news or bad news deal? No, that is fantastic news. So, um that means that this event will happen again in September and we will have a good crew again. I think September allows us to have the students from Angelo State University participate as well as GoodFellow. Typically, we would do this in November or December. Um GoodFellow is exiting and ASU students have already taken their finals. So, um, this is just a win-win for tires and hazardous waste, of course, uh, had a wonderful event. Oh my goodness, about 90% of this event is paint. And we're working with our community now to educate them because if you just take the lid off your paint and let it dry out, it is disposable in the trash. So, we would love to plant more trees um, than have our paints just

[0:23:37] disposed of in a landfill. So, um, we're working on that. Again, um, is an education piece. Uh, but this is a fantastic event. This will occur at the end of June. June 28 is our tenative date on that. Are those paints still usable? So, some of the paints are reusable. Of all the paints that were collected last year, 75% went into a dumpster. Only 25% were recycled. And that is from our provider. uh safe harbors that comes from San Antonio. So those paints could have either been dried out or the buckets could have been empty. There are a lot of reasons why perhaps they were not recycled at all, but 25% of them were. So, and we've talked about maybe having um community cabinets at some of our locations where people who do have larger amounts of paint, maybe, you know, a full gallon bucket or a 5gallon bucket so that our art community could take advantage of that. I was going to ask you if community would have access to usable paints. Yes. So, um that would we tried a couple of different avenues with like maybe Goodwill and the Salvation Army. Um we offered to provide the cabinets. um there's liability with that because of the community. Um so we just haven't found a winning combination, but you know that's what committees are for. So I think you know a group of people could put their heads together and probably come up with ways to uh retain and reuse that paint. So we did uh we did a couple hundred trees this year when we do trees. So we've done uh 1150 trees uh over the past five years. Please go to all of our SISD campuses first and then we left the residual for the community to pick up. So for five years, I think every school should have had about three trees planted every year. So um we should be greening up the community. Um and we do invite some of our partners um

[0:25:39] TLCA and Wall and our private schools as well. Um Cornerstone, Trinity Lutheran, and St. Angelo Christian Academy. So we try to share the love on that. Um, our St. Angelo Gives project has been wonderful every year and we've updated our profile for that. That will happen in May. So, we encourage people to keep that in mind. Um, we do go to the Star Spangle celebration for the fireworks concert. And, um, that's been a wonderful program. We hand out trash bags to all the citizens and hand fans because it's typically 100° plus. and um one of our um students that we've mentored since about the second grade, Ella Saves the Oceans. Um she along with Harry are winning statewide awards. We're really proud of that. We're proud to promote Ella. She's been at all of our hazardous waste events collecting trash bags. And then we've also hooked her up with an inuse with the ladies um the prayer Shaw group in Mertzen. and they um they tear the trash bags into strips, weave them into balls of yarn, and then make mats for the homeless with that. So, um the trees um the trees that are from the loop um out towards the new HB and then on the other side, Lowe's, right? Are those owned by you might not know this, by those businesses or is that text dot? It's text dot. Yeah, text dot developed that area. Can we give those trees to Tex DOT to replant those that are dying there because they don't look so good? Yes, that is a great possibility and we should be eligible for 200 trees through the Apache Corporation. That grant comes up in August and um we do have a great partnership with Texot. They did install our four um gateway signs that say uh we are a keep Texas beautiful affiliate and I think they would much welcome. We need them there in those locations because they're they didn't make it through the freeze a couple years ago. Sure. And we'll keep that in mind. So, next we

[0:27:44] have education. Oh boy, this is uh probably the highlight of our work. The kids are just amazing. This past year, we brought in Dr. Alper, who is um on the uh Kobe engineering team at University of Texas in Austin. And his program reached everywhere from elementaryaries to middle school to high school to college um to professors and even our um engineers. A few of our engineers participated with this, but um they actually have a 501c3 on the side and have invested in biomedical fuels that reduce plastic waste and we got to watch um plastic dissolve right in front of us. So there's hope for a better future and lots of different ways to address the needs of eradicating plastic. So um it it makes us um have a great validation of the work that we do. Um we have an intern hie. Um we work with Fort Koncho and Santaorita students on their triest research projects. Of course we do our readalongs. Um we take our book when we get to read. So that's just fantastic. Um and the Girl Scouts were with us for um our America Recycles Day. So creating awareness again we have our coffee talk segment. Um we um were um published again in St. Angelo Lifestyles in their summer book and it was a great story that just kind of touched a little bit on all the things that we do. Um, our partnership with Lamar is wonderful so that our billboards highlight our mission and our work. Of course, Cash is our rock star. Um, we've done presentations. This is Dr. Alper here in the middle um for Upper Colorado River Authority and I have a presentation at their annual event next week. And then of course Tex DOT. Uh again appreciating the work that we've done with them and that they have done for us. And here are a few of our um America Recycles Day projects. This

[0:29:48] past year um we had an art contest. So some of these items are the first place winners from the art contest. And then for Earth Day we did rock the garden. And so our students got rocks and got to paint the gardens up. And um that was just a wonderful activity that shows that even though we don't have as much water as we'd like that you can still have a beautiful garden. And these are a few highlights um over the past five years. So um again we're very grateful for um our recognition um Mayor Gunter. Um we also received a proclamation from Governor Abbott. Um several awards state of Texas Alliance for Recycling. Um, our awards have been for our tire program, outstanding um, public outreach. We've been a five-star gold star affiliate. We've been a governor's community achievement award of sustainable excellence for five years. Um, again, public education outreach. Um, we are also a judge for GCA, a mentor. We've gotten that Apache tree grant for five years, several publications, um, and recognition from text dot. So again, um just a fantastic and a beautiful year. Um so for our 5-year period, 754 events, over 4,000 volunteers, um 18,000 hours, and a $431,000 value over the five years. So we are so grateful for your support um not only um from council, but the city of St. Angelo, our operations team, street and bridge, um parks and wreck, um especially our economic development team who's always been very encouraging and supporting if um Joe Spano at Republic Services. We couldn't have gotten off to a good start without them. Um Buts Recycling, um our board members, past and present, Bob Solless, who um has retired. Um again, Roger Havlock

[0:31:51] with um parks and wreck was just instrumental. our fire department. Um, and so many more, uh, SISD, ASU. So, I know y'all have work to do. Well, Sha, what I I know you're returning in a couple weeks, and I just want to take the opportunity to thank you for your leadership and all the work that you have done. You took this program, which had been dead and and not active for some time period, and you really turned that around. It made a big difference in the community and we want to say thank you for work, the effort, the leadership and we hope you enjoy retirement and more importantly we hope you've trained somebody up to become the new Charlotte Anderson. So thank you. We've we have um we've planted the seeds and built a great foundation and I know the city will just take the ball and run with it. So I'm excited about that, Harry. Um, I know you're going to spearhead that and make sure that we keep um this positive trajectory. Um, a couple of little things are um our sheep, Crystal Goodman, she did the first sheep and she took her to the beauty shop and gave her a a quick little revamp, but uh it will be at the chicken and art farm and we will have a dedication for that next Thursday. Again, the don't mess with Texas trash off is this Saturday. And for Earth Day, our students are going to get this planner that you've received and they're going to get literature on our butterflies, our monarchs, and they're getting some milkweed um to plant in their yards so they can come and visit. And if you need some milkweed, you're welcome to stop by um our office at the city annex 301. Thank you again for an amazing five years. I wish I had five more. And that's not an April Fool's. Thank you. Thank you. We will now move into item B which is consider awarding RFBFS-01-25 to Denton and Bradley Metal Solutions Incorporated for the purchase

[0:33:55] and installation of garage doors in the amount of 361,189 utilizing 170,290 of fleet services fund balance and authorizing and the city manager to negotiate and approve all related documents. Ryan, you're on. Good morning, mayor and council. Mr. Valenc going. Fleet services facility is in some need. Uh 16 of these doors will go there. Um the the grant that's mentioned here is an energy efficiency grant. So, they will help us save some energy bills along the way. The other three doors in this um request is for the water distribution or the sewer collection facility down at the end of the street of St. An Street. And so we're excited that uh we were able to use partial funds to get this accomplished and uh a a smaller amount luckily than we were expecting uh out of our own funds. So a much needed project and and appreciate your consideration for it. Thank you. Do we have questions for Ryan? Move approval from Tommy. Do I have a second by Lucy? Public comment. Mayor, yes. They really need a new facility and so kudos to Ryan for finding some funding to extend the life of this one a little farther. Uh it could it'll be much more expensive when he comes and starts talking about a building. Nothing like open air. All right. With that, uh we will take a vote. All those in favor say I. I. Motion passes 70. We'll move on to the last item on regular agenda, which is discussion and direction on an expansion of the open structure overlay section 312 of the zoning ordinance into other areas of the city of St. Angelo. Aaron, lucky man, you're on. Thank you, Mayor, uh, city council, and Mr. Valenuela. This is coming as a request, um, uh, from Councilwoman Miss Gonzalez. She asked last fall about u some areas of expanding the open

[0:35:57] structure. The planning team did some research, brought some items to planning commission and today we're just giving an update of kind of where it stands and some items that are items that we need to take a bigger look at, a longer look at is what we believe. So our section 312 does have an open structure overlay that was adopted in 2005. Uh it came out of trying to modify some front yard setbacks for open like structures from porches and carports. That's what we commonly call them, but those are open structures. Uh in those rules, there were specifics on roofing materials and roof slope and design. And in fact, the original proposal to the planning commission back in 2005 actually had drawings of what it had to look like. Those got removed by the time it got adopted by city council. Um why were they removed? Looking at the the records is that they wanted to allow um the contractors to submit items and allow city staff to work with them to try to find ways to make those roof lines match. And that was really the main concern was having roof lines matched so that the structures that were added looked like as if they were original to the home, not as an add-on later after the fact. Uh, and as all of you know, that cost usually more money to do that than just building a a regular flat roof carport or something like that. Um, the original concept was designed for smaller properties that had no garage or onecar garage as trying to allow um property owners to protect their vehicles. Um, over time, as we know, that is that has changed and I'll give some more information about that. And it came it came about really there were so many variance requests coming through the ZBA. They said we need to write an ordinance to resolve this issue. And so the open structure ordinance was written. Issues today that we see vehicle size can be much larger compared to the garage space even for two vehicles. I know that garage spaces are still designed for two vehicles. But our vehicles in including mine are bigger. If I put my vehicle against the model

[0:37:59] maybe 10 years ago, you're going to see it's 25% bigger. It just is longer, wider, taller, whatever it may be. Um, we as uh citizens use the garage as multi-purpose room now, not just as a vehicle storage and protection of vehicles, but it's storage for our stuff. Uh, it's a workshop, it's a man cave, it's a she she shed. Say that fast a lot of times. Um, so our garages as they're being added by our builders are not necessarily a garage for a vehicle. And so that that challenges things. also trying to keep housing uh affordable subdivisions. Over time, when utilities stop going in the alleyway and trash stop being packed in the alleyway, we move the utilities to the front, put those properties back to back. So, you have no alleyway. So, now you have no access to the backyard to put a carport or garage structure there. So, the only spot to put it is in a front yard setback. And so, that that can be challenging. Um, we all know that vehicle values are higher. We know our citizens want to protect those those uh property items. Um we've had major hail storms. Um in fact, my my wife and I, we've every time we've moved, we've always looked for at least a carport or a house with a garage, and that was because of a major hail stom in Abalene when we lived there. Uh and so we understand from our citizens perspective, how do you protect things? Um, we also saw that through this open structure that there were some contractors that had the perception that it took a long time to get a permit so they would just go build it without that. We have not seen that. We've been able to talk to some of those contractors. They're starting to come and get permits. We're trying to work with through through them and make sure that we have a good set of plans that we actually have most of those plans already preset if they're doing uh certain things. So, one thing that has uh come about over the last 5 years is government code 3000, which talks about building materials. It essentially says after April 2019, citizens are limited in requiring specific materials if they're

[0:40:03] already adopted in a standard building code. And we adopt standard building codes here that allow all different types of building materials. So, you're thinking, you know, brick, metal, wood, all of those building materials. Well, this this law that came into effect basically said that if you if you're not within an historic historic district, cultural district, or an architectural importance and significant, or you have a certified CLG per the Texas Historic Commission, and there's some other caveats in there, too. But these are the ones that apply to us. You really can't regulate materials. And so, in our current open structure overlay, we can. If we were to expand that, I don't believe we would be able to regulate the materials, which means the roof materials could be dissimilar. It means the post could be dissimilar. It could mean that it does not look like it was originally built with the house. Now, that may be okay for our community, but I think that's a longer discussion than simply saying, "Let's just expand the area to allow carports." I think we need more thought, more interaction with our neighborhoods to understand if that makes sense. Now, fortunately, City of St. Angelo and city staff uh back in 1994 did make St. Angelo a CLG per the Texas Historic Commission. The challenge is that really only limits to those districts that are design districts, not really an open structure district, which really is not about architecture and and design. It's more about an open structure in a front yard setback, which is different. Um, so again, it it does kind of challenge us with the materials. And so that's a major con not a concern, but a major point we need to make sure that when we're making those decisions in the future, we may not have design control of what a carport or an open structure looks like compared to the original home. But here's our open structure area right now. Uh, everything in pink. And you can see that's a majority of our older neighborhoods, but not all. Um you can see all the way just north of

[0:42:05] Goodfellow on the east side comes up uh through the Fort Concho area goes all the way up uh to 50th in fact kind of through an area there just to the left of Armstrong or Highway 208 does come over through Angelo Heights area and kind of curves around with Glenna at that area. I put this one with major our major thoroughares. Um, as you guys know, Theafares make a difference on how people get to neighborhoods, but that also is in relationship to where our major roads are. And you can see there was some decision making based on where our major roads were and where the open structure overlay should and uh go at that time in 2005. I'm going to just kind of zoom into a couple of areas. Um, this is the Pauland area. Um, you can see from the large uh view, you can see where it kind of comes in here just south off of uh Bell Street or just to the uh excuse me, the east of Bell Street and north of of the Houston Heart Freeway there. You can see the neighborhood that uh continues to grow off there to the northeast. One thing that we noticed in this neighborhood, as we see from the overhead, you notice there's no alleyways there, and that that can be challenging. Now you see there are some smaller structures in the backyard, some sheds, some swimming pools, but nothing large like a carport. Now the ones that are on the ends, they might be able to put in a carport um from the sideyard or something like that, but you really don't see that. This appears to be an alleyway, but it's actually a drainage way over there. So, it's really not an alleyway for those homes on that side. As we drive through the neighborhood, we do see vehicles during the middle of the day just in the driveway, which means there's some reason why they're not in the garage. We don't know the exact reason. Um, but this is about 11:00 in the morning and this is just one block and you can see there's approximately 20 vehicles sitting in the driveways and so I I would assume that most of these

[0:44:08] folks have a desire to protect their vehicles over time. Um, but they don't have a great way to do that because they don't have alleyway access to add on. Um, could just be simply a metal carport. And you can see this property owner, they had the room to the side of their yard. They didn't have to have design controls because they're outside of the open structure. They're behind the 25 ft setback. Nothing wrong with the metal structure. It serves its purpose. Um, the question is, does is do we want that look in all of our neighborhoods? Maybe we do, maybe we don't, but I think that's a bigger discussion. Looking at just kind of the southwest, this is, you know, another area that has grown um since the 70s and 80s. Um if you go further southwest across the railroad tracks, this is uh southwest right here and uh Twin Mountain, you start seeing that there's no alleyways here either. Again, that's a a development decision to try to keep the cost of homes lower because paving an alleyway costs money and maintaining an alleyway costs money. But then that's at the expense and potentially this neighborhood may never want carports based on home valuation or based on size of home. But those are also areas that we look at of well in 50 years does somebody want a carport there because they've used their garage for other purposes or other things. And naturally, our Lake Nazworthy um obviously if you're backed up to the lake, it's hard to get to the back of your property. Some of those properties are bigger than others. Some of them are very, very narrow and you don't have room. And so, the only space is up front if you wanted to put a carport. Um you can see see here on this little stretch of South Koncho Drive, there's one that's got a carport there, another one that's got a carport there. One of them received a variance, the other one didn't. But there's some of those properties you can see are they just have the minimum 5 foot sideyard setback. So getting to the backyard access or putting a carport in the backyard or garage structure in the

[0:46:10] backyard is not very viable because your vehicle is just not going to make it back there. So when we talk about architectural design that we currently have within our open structure, this is one of the ones that we showed uh last time. Um, it's very similar to the house. It's painted the same colors. It has the same roof slope and roof materials, but we know this costs a little bit more than these types of structures. And if we were to just extend the open structure overlay, there's nothing that would prevent these types of structures, then they may be okay as we design and start talking to the community for a bigger purpose. Um, but we don't have any design control. It's really just talking about are these appropriate in the front yard setback. Um, also, you know, the front slope, we I know I have to work in wood. I'm unfortunately I never learned how to weld, so I have to build that structure over there. But we know that one's going to cost a lot more than that structure. They still serve the same purpose of protecting someone's uh property, private property. Yes, sir. with the Ferrari. That Yeah, that's at my house right now. Yeah, it has a cactus, too. So, it's got to be Yes, it's my house. No, it's not my house. That's an April fool. Sorry, mayor. I thought you prohibited that. So, what do we do as a community? Um staff recommendation is we really need to look at our comprehensive plan update to address these types of things. Uh and then really work on our unified development codes with subdivision design. Do we want to make sure that our developers understand and property owners understand if you don't put in alleyways then you really lose that ability to put in a carport or garage structure in the back. And that may be a

[0:48:12] good decision for for some and others may decide, no, I need an alleyway so that we can do that for for that. It really does come down to zoning zoning setbacks in our neighborhoods. Do we really want something in front of the 25- ft setback as a structure? We know that they're out there. Um, but we and we have to address them at some point. And I really do think it comes down to our neighborhoods and neighborhood plans of what works for those individual neighborhoods that help them make those decisions that it's maybe not a blanket statement for the entire community, but neighborhood decisions saying, "All right, in this neighborhood, we believe these types of structures are appropriate or not appropriate." And that takes work of getting out and talking to the neighborhood. Um, but we also have to have cooperation with our builders, our contractors, and designers to find ways that if you're building new homes, maybe it's okay to build in a carport instead of a garage to start with, and is there ways to do that through our zoning uh properties and things like that. And so I think we we have great builders and great contractors and designers that are forward thinking and are thinking about how do we do that and still keep a home affordable because that really comes down to the biggest key is what's affordable and what are we doing to help people um protect their private property. So with that, mayor, I turn it back to you guys if y'all want to have a discussion or any direction for city staff at this point uh and where we may go. I'm going to open up for Lucy to speak because I know this is a subject that she wanted to brought forward. So, I know she has some comments to make. Yes, Erin. And you thank you so much for presenting this to us. Um, yeah, you've covered most of the reasons why my constituents had asked for this because of the fact of of the weather, everything else. Um, I would like to see you be able to have uh the ordinance read like it has that about the materials, about the building, about it attaching to the house. Um, some of the ones that you showed us that were the cheaper kind and stuff. Yes. Less expensive. This less expensive. Less Oh,

[0:50:18] okay. Less expensive. Thank you, Mary. those that are less expensive aren't really what you want in the neighborhood where because like the mayor is always saying our homes are our biggest assets and in order for and the neighborhoods. So in order to keep this all together and accommodate everybody. I would think that we would we would want our homes to continue to look nice and by making the ordinance to where it does look like it's been built in with a home or whatever would be a great thing to be able to um build on. Like I said, um in our home in Paul, um we haven't had any. The people that do have them like that one that you showed her. Yeah, that one. that one. Um, like I said, um, it would have been nicer if it wouldn't have been I mean, especially for the neighborhood is what I'm saying that if it all would blend in together instead of, you know, somebody's got this, somebody's got that. And that's what I'd like to see out there is the fact that um, it it does go along with a with a house and it resembles like, hey, this was built with it. I know it's a big expense for some people, but like I said, um, in this neighborhood, a lot of these homes have been lived in by those people for 30, 40 years. So, um, if you're willing to invest a little more into your home, I think that uh, this would be the way to go. So, I'd like for you to continue working on this and seeing that if um we're able to keep those uh requirements as far as uh them all coming together. You know, I see this issue as a two-part strategy strategic because number one, there are people who have purchased homes that

[0:52:22] have uh carports already built. They did not realize that the carport was not permitted. There was be nothing on the paperwork that they have that said whether it was permitted or not. And yet we um people our code enforcement people are doing their jobs and going out and and telling people you got a problem here which they didn't even know about. Right. So I think we have to develop strategically how to approach structures that are not permitted that exist that are for all the right reasons, protection for weather and and they bought the home thinking it was part of the home and it was obviously part of the value of the home when they bought it because the structure was there. So we need to deal with that issue number one. So that's a separate issue. Then number two, what we need to do is develop a strategic plan going forward that better accommodates all of the issues that you just talked about and perhaps going to a development task force meeting where the developers uh builders and have this conversation about we know number one pricing is an issue. We know that affordability in St. Angelo is a big challenge and producing the best house for the best value for the money that someone wants to spend or can afford to spend is is key. But how do we develop a plan that works for developers that will offer these open structures that blend in better with the area and then to determine which areas of town should um be different than other areas of town because not all areas of town are the same. There are areas where affordability is a bigger challenge, but it doesn't change the challenge, and that's protecting an asset, which is a car. So, your home is

[0:54:26] your biggest asset. Your car or truck is probably your second biggest asset. So, they're both very important. And then protecting the value of your neighbor's property by not making your property look like, right, um, it diminished their value. You know, very often these structures are used for storage and not for vehicle at all. And so it's all the things that came out of the house that goes into this structure that does not look good. And it's not good for all kinds of reasons. So it's not a simple issue. It's complicated. But my challenge for you is to come up with a plan a plan here that's more than just one part. One's about new development. ones about ownership of homes um that when one was not aware of that you couldn't do that or wasn't permitted when they bought the home. So existing home ownership with these structures, we have some sort of strategic plan for them or way to work with them. Whether it's improve the existing structure so it looks better. Whether it is we hate the word what is it grandfather. We hate the grandfathering thing. Then we maybe there's a father one, not a grandfather one that we need to look at. I don't know. But we need to address the issues that exist. And there's too many people today trying to deal with the existing uh code that's a problem because they need their structure and they thought it was legal when they bought the home. So that's my challenge going forward is a better comprehensive plan on open structures by neighborhood existing structures that exist. So that's my comments. Thank you, Mayor. Who else? Tommy Erin, where are you in the process of beginning to look at doing a

[0:56:30] comprehensive plan? And it sounds like we may be a lot a lot of the same conversation here, but where are you? I know we had talked about that last year a little bit. Yes, we are refining our grant application. Uh I don't know that those were conversations. I think they were heated arguments is what I would call them, but we had it. We are refining our grant. Uh we've had some experts kind of look at our grant to say tweak this, tweak that so we can get it submitted. Uh we feel like there'll be a quick turnaround. uh and secure the grant that will help fund a comprehensive plan. And then the then it would come back to our decision- making during the budget time this season of if we want to fund any additional items within that comprehensive plan this year or next year and how to look at that. But I do think it'll be a multi-year uh discussion and request um to look at the comprehensive plan. We also know that our transportation plan needs some looking at as we look towards the future for our interstates and connectivity in that part of town. So, I think we do have a great plan coming forward, but we just have to keep grinding at it to get it submitted, to get it approved and start bringing it back to council so they can make bigger decisions for long term. I appreciate that big picture update, but what about now? What about the people today who are getting ticketed for not by code compliance because they have an unpermitted home? That's long term and that's long term long. It's not the next two or three months. We need to address the issues that exist today and have a plan for that. Yes, ma'am. And I do think that we can work on that and we have been individually with as as home buyers, home owners, property owners come in, we work with them individually to work through any issues of an existing structure or proposed structure. I think we can continue to work and refine that uh to see if there's ways to make that a little simpler. But it really comes down to the is it constructed correctly? Um, and how

[0:58:34] do we how do we get it to fit in or shoehorn it into our zoning ordinance. But most of our concern is how is it constructed? Is it constructed safely? I mean, that's that's the biggest concern that we have and we want to make sure that we're protecting people. If mine is safely developed and built, I didn't know it had to be permitted. Am I going to still be allowed to have that carport as it exists today? It's very possible. We may have to go through some some steps to get it to be legal or legal non-conforming. We have to look at the age and and those things, but there are ways that we can go through whether it's a a zoning board of adjustment case for a requested variance. Is it something in the building code that they need to modify to meet the building code? But we do work with them very hard to try to keep those existing structures if at all possible. There are maybe some that we can't, but we we do what we can through the right processes to make them legal um within the wherever they're located within the community. There are some that are not. Add one thing that has been a big discussion in the past is while they may be structurally stable, in some cases you have a nice neighborhood. Um you have someone who illegally constructed a carport. is this flat looking thing that comes off the front of the house that's just not appealing. And so that's one decision that council has struggled with in the past in neighborhoods is do you want that change to be allowed just because they constructed something that's going to stand up but it doesn't blend with the whole neighborhood and it degrades the neighborhood. Is that something we Yeah, I'm a big believer that it should, you know, we need to protect our neighbors valuations of their homes by not turning my carport into storage bin. And I think that there ought to be some consideration and um issues with that. meaning uh if I'm using it for the reasons we say weather related for example protecting the car for example um we need to appreciate that if it's

[1:00:38] used as a storage bin I can't agree with it and so I think we need to be as specific as we can in working with people so that it's not a storage bin and if it's in front of a garage then I'm not the garage is obviously the storage bin. Yeah. And so we need to be so this is not just so simple but we those are things that exist we need to deal with and we need to have a strategic reply to those issues to to clarify a little bit on that and I don't disagree with anything you said but once the structure is constructed uh how they use it unless they're violating some specific you know uh code issue or something is very hard to enforce how they use it. So the the enforcement later on becomes difficult depending on what what's happening. I know that it is and I don't know if when you look at the game plan that there is language that can be put into this that would discourage people from using it as a storage bin. I know that's complicated. It's not easy. It's not black and white. And Larry, would you like to offer some comments, please? Yeah, Erin and I have had this conversation, and it's really an outlier here, but I think it's something that should be considered in the course of this. Uh, in my district, there's one building in a backyard that is 700 square ft and not quite the height of this room. Uh I I just think it's a terrible thing to create something like that in your backyard so that your neighbors uh their value of their house diminishes significantly because of that. I'd like to see some change in that so that Oh, by the way, this this isn't a garage. It's not an RV storage area. The largest

[1:02:41] door in it is probably a 36 inch door. I suspect there's a business going on in there or whatever, but that's a terrible thing to have. Um, Erin was telling me you can have 40% of your backyard. Is that correct? Well, you can have 40% coverage of your property lot if you're in RS1 zoning district. You can have up to uh 50% of your structure. So, if you've got a 2,000 square foot house, you could have a thousand square foot accessory structure in your yard and as long as you're not going over the 40% coverage of your entire yard. I would ask my fellow council members to imagine their yard with 50% of it covered by some kind of a tin storage area or other building. I think it's atrocious. And I think I think you're right. And I think that's another part of the strategic plan. It's not just in the front, but it's also in the back. And that perhaps needs to be looked at because we know these portable buildings are lots of places. Yeah. Um whether we like them or not, it's legal. So there's not much you can do about it right now based off of the language that you just quoted. Yes, ma'am. So in in an effort perhaps in this comprehensive plan that's two or three years out that you could deal with it, but many structures will be built during that time period. And so number one, let's deal with what's in hand and in front of us today. And that's carports, open structures in the front. And then um the next generation of that is obviously backyards. Does that work? I just have one quick question. You go. You got it. Okay, Erin. So tell me, how long is it going to be till you're able to give the constituents a permit if they're willing or wanting to build a carport in the area that is not permitted yet? Well, like in the plan area. So, if I go back to one of the images,

[1:04:46] um, so say one of these properties here, they wanted to put a carport there. Currently, they would not be allowed unless they went to the zoning board of adjustment for a variance request to build within the 25- foot front yard setback. But, see, they all have garages. So, I'm not even sure what that showing that picture has anything to do with this. They have garages. So, why would you even have a carport? And so, to the mayor's point, that property owner would have to prove they have a hardship to build in front of that 25- ft setback. This the city staff would probably oppose that decision. Now, that's up to the ZBA to make that decision. If they grant a variance, then they could build any type of carport. we would not have the ability to say they have to build it a certain way because this area is not under an open structure overlay and even if we were to extend it here, we believe we do not have the ability to require certain materials or certain architectural style. And so they could put any type of carport there, whether it was fabric covered, metal covered, however they chose to make blue tarp coverage. Yes, ma'am. That one. And that's that's our concern because one of our primary focuses as a zoning ordinance is to protect property values for all, not just for one. And how do we do that so that we have equitable rules for all? Uh and so I would say in in the Paul area, if you don't have access to put your carport in the backyard, if you're in front of the 25 foot setback, it will be very difficult to get one uh placed there. Now, garages. I mean, they do have garages. The question is, is there one already existing? We haven't found any in that area that's existing that's in the 25 foot. Um, we're also not actively looking for those either. We are a complaint-based um type of community that if there's a complaint base, we will have somebody go out and take a look. Um, but through our our research in that area, we did not find any right now. Now, I think there's

[1:06:49] a desire by people, but I don't think as to the mayor's point, we don't have a a quick answer for that. What we're trying to figure out is do some answers for those existing structures and how do we put together a a uniform plan for our community for areas that if they wanted to add carports in the future? Well, I would think that it could almost be somewhat of a black and white conversation. Meaning if an existing garage, if the property already has an existing garage, carports would not be approved because that basically means it's storage. I mean, not necessarily. Well, maybe not, but I think but now when you have four cars and one of them is in the garage, the motorcycles in the garage and then you got two cars right outside. It's not storage. Well, you know, we've got the toolbox and stuff, but the fact remains is that nowadays really more people have more cars, especially if you've got teenagers and stuff. So, you know, the problem is is that whenever this weather comes and the hail damage and you just got through fixing your car from the last, you know, here we go. So, and not only that, but you've got birds in the trees that constantly, you know, do their business on your car. So, we've got a lot of reasons why they want these carports. But like I said, if we can have them to where they look like they're blending in with the home and they make the home even look nicer. That's a tough one. Yeah. I was going to say, Lucy, the issue there, of course, merely expanding the boundaries really gives us no control over what u what material to be using at that point. So, we do understand that there's a need, you know, to protect cars from hell storms or what have you. But again, merely expanding the boundary will be problematic for us because we'd have no control at that point. If if a neighbor wants to build it, however they want to build it, as long as it's within the uh the size of the structure and requirements, they can build it with whatever they want. And I hate to say this, but they could open up the back of the garage. You could drive all the way

[1:08:51] through and put it in an open structure in the backyard. Why you giving ideas, Mary? I know. I'm like, shouldn't put that out there, but I don't know about that because then it would go right through my living room. Just saying. Anyway, that there's a Yes, Larry. Please, could you go to that picture with the houses with the garages on the front? I'm asking folks to uh presuppose that there are no garages on that and uh one individual asks for permission to build it build a carport and he has to go through the review board and so on. Okay. I assume that he's also asked the neighbors are asked whether they're happy with this. Is that correct? Yes. If they go for a variance request in front of the ZBA, there is notification sent out to the 200 foot notice area around that. What about the subsequent owners who would like to do likewise? Do they have to also send it in for a variance if it's not in the current open structure overlay? Yes, sir. That would be So, they would have to and see if I have that picture. So, if they're not in that pink area, they're outside of that pink area, it more than likely would take a variance to vary the front yard setback, which then requires notice by staff to the surrounding area. And every every property that wanted to do that would have to be noticed for that property. Does that make sense? Huh? I mean, if you've got 80% of the neighborhood, it's already filled up with these things and they're still asking for variances. It seems uh I I agree and I think that's where we need to go back to that comprehensive approach. Our zoning ordinance is from 2000. Our current comprehensive plan is from 2003. This open structure overlay is from

[1:10:52] 2005. So we're 20 years past that and we still have the same issues that we did then. So we really haven't solved them yet. Um, so I do think that takes a bigger, longer, comprehensive approach to make sure we do something that really, really works. Daniel, would you like to make comment? Larry, on the I'm sorry, Larry, on the variance. So, and I want to make sure I'm clear on this. Even if somebody applies for a variance and notice goes to the neighbors, if a the neighbors say, "I'll support it. They'll build it a certain way with certain material." I mean, we don't we wouldn't have control over that either. Correct. We would not be able to regulate the materials or the design at that point. So really, the neighbors would say yay or nay. I mean, cuz they wouldn't have a say on what type of material they'd like to see next door, but yeah, they would not at this point. Other comments from council. All right. Uh so we will take a motion and don't we do public comment after the motion is made? Um there's not a motion to be made on this item. It was for discussion and direction. Do public comment. You got it. Uh, Twyla Huffman, come on up. Please come up to the mic. Sure. Mary Custom Waya. My name is Mary Castanola. Would you pull that microphone down a bit for us? Thank you. My name is Mary Castanuela and I live at 3642 O Post Circle. I am here today to address this city violation 5294 we received for having a metal corort without a permit. We purchased this property with a corport already in place in 2021. At this time, we did not know that there there was not a

[1:12:54] permit at the time they built it. The corport is an open one without obstructing any view and is 16 ft away from the street. According to the appraisal office, this core port was built in the year 2003, making it 22 years old. I come to you today asking you to please consider allowing us to keep this corort as we are senior citizens living on a fixed monthly income and it would be a big financial burden for us to have it removed. Plus, this is the only way to keep our automobiles protected from the weather as the car garage at this property had been enclosed the previous year. The owner that had it built is now deceased. But the daughter that sold the property to us now informs us that her father had been grandfathered to have this corport built and states that the city had issued him a letter stating this. But sadly, after 22 years, she has no idea what happened to it. Two of my neighbors at the time were living in the neighborhood when the corpor was built say that all the surrounding neighbors were sent letters asking if anyone opposed the building of this corport. They stated they didn't oppose and shortly after the corport was put up. One of these neighbors is here today to testify to this. If we had been aware that the corport had been built without the proper permit, we would have kept looking for another house with a garage as this was a major factor to us. Thank you. I appreciate you taking time to hear me out. I have a picture of the court. That's I only brought You want to give it to Rick? Okay. Spoken with the planning department about this case. So, is there someone from the city staff dealing with you? I talked to I went to the city office and I spoke to the staff. Well, if you'll I'll meet with you out and I'll get your name and information. Um, it's a

[1:14:56] separate matter from today, but we can take that and make sure they're working with you. So, before you leave, I'll come back. Uhhuh. Twila. My name is Twilight Huffman and my husband and I live at 36. Speak into the microphone, please. My name is Twilight Huffman and my husband and I live at 3637 Oppo Circle, just across the street from the carport on Sam and Mary's property and have lived there for over 30 years. I was one of the neighbors that was sent a letter several years ago asking if we had any objections to Mr. Scott, who was the owner at that time, putting up a carport on his property. We said we did not have a problem with him doing that. Several years later, we put up a carport on our property, but were soon tagged and were told we could not have one since it was against the ordinance. When I asked why Mr. Scott was allowed to have one, they said his had been grandfathered. I have two pictures of two carports that have been installed on Oppos Court and Blue Botant Street, two streets in our neighborhood. My question is, why are they allowed to have these carports? But Mary and Sam are being told they have to take theirs down. The carport we are here today speaking about has been up over 20 years. And I'm asking you to please allow it to stay up. None of the other neighbors have anything against the carport being left up since we were asked did we protest when they put it up. We said no, we didn't. I have several I have asked several of them and none of them have a problem with it being up. Thank you so much for considering this matter. Thank you. That's all. So, we won't be taking u a vote on any of these issues today, but Rick will get make sure that every one of you have an opportunity to meet with city staff and and Aaron to further discuss it. But I think we've given Aaron some direction in terms of what we need to do and do it quicker than later. Um because it strategically we need to

[1:17:02] have some sort of direction going. All right, with that we will go into a close session. The executive session on the provision of government code title five open government ethics subtitle A open government chapter 551 open meetings subchapter D exceptions to requirement that meetings be open under the following sections um a section 551.071 071 consultation with attorney about landowner requests for removal from the extra extr territorial jurisdiction and procedures. We will come back when we're through with the discussion session at uh 10:08 a.m. There were no items to uh announce or considerations or decisions that were made during executive session. So, we will move on to announcements and consideration of future agenda items. Do we have any? Yes, ma'am. Yes, Larry. Uh, this morning, a student from Central who most of you probably seen in TV ads with his dad's pharmacy. Well, he wants to get in touch with the candidates, they're running this time and and I'll certainly take care of trying to do that. He's he's forming a little group at Central. trying to get somewhat engaged in politics and certainly to get out to vote. Um I wondered if if we could extend an invitation to some of those government classes to come in during our council meetings to observe what's going on. I'm a firm believer in all politics is local. You mean just to observe? Anybody can come to a council meeting. Yeah, but they're in the midst of school. They probably would need something that indicates that there there's purpose. Yeah. You guys figure that out. Okay. All right. With that, may I have a motion for adjournment? All in favor say I. I. We are officially adjourned at 10:09 a.m.

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