San Angelo City Council Strategic Planning Workshop 5-7-24

[0:00:00] 3 on May the 7th 2024 this strategic priority Workshop is now called to order we will start with the workshop itinerary which is um uh item a which is capital Improvement plan priorities Daniel you're on mayor council members audience uh what we want to do today we do have an item that will be coming before the city council at the next city council meeting for the CIP for a decision by city council so we wanted to do today is make sure that we cover the CIP PR priorities uh council members you've had an opportunity to submit your top three and they've been listed uh you'll see that they're actually broken into two different categories one of them is the active category those are priorities or uh CIP items that we're currently working on and then also the proposed ones which I want to make sure we go into some discussion to determine which one of those uh are the key ones that the city council would like to prioritize when we look at funding strategies we'll be talking about a couple of issues that need to really be addressed by city council uh Finance has an really good idea on how to address the uh some of the needs that we have through rolling and short-term debt we'll have a good discussion about that and then Public Safety has been a big item of discussion for us so we'll have a an overview when we get to that item I have a few things I'd like to share with the city council members and we'll take it from there but with that that's just a quick overview I'm going to go and hand this over to Tina and Kim to go ahead and kick this thing off thank you Daniel Tina deari Director of Finance I'm starting out here this first slide is just kind of to show you the big picture of what we have um in the works we have 50 active projects at a total cost of $440 million in the plan 56 proposed projects at a cost of 281 million for a total of 106 projects at $722 million and of course as Daniel just mentioned we are proposing the public hearing and Adoption of this Capital Improvement plan at the next city council meeting meeting um just a reminder that the capital Improvement

[0:02:03] plan is a is a planned document it's not a funding plan and so as we discussed these items as Daniel said some of them are active and funded and others um will will uh maybe have recommended funding sources things like that as we work through the slides would you first of all go through what um constitutes uh a project submitted to the capital Improvement plan so what are their criteria has to take at least two years to complete a cost of $25,000 or more and I think that's it so those two things drive this yes ma'am so if you look at the $722 million there's no time limit in terms of when these projects would come up for funding it's just Capital Improvement projects that we know need to be done at some point in time yes ma'am some are in the fiveyear range others are even f further out into future projects but the purpose of the plan and why it's included as a requirement of the city Charter is that city council is made aware of needs not only in the next five years but into the future so that we can have plans to address those you know that's um in 2016 we implemented the rolling Street debt issue plan um that was kind of a result of some of these types of discussions so that we're planning into the future and getting things done um as we can as we and you don't have to have it right now but what I do want even if it's not before May 21 or May 21 is what of the 722 million is in the fiveyear plan okay because we need to understand how big five years is and how we're going to take care of the fiveyear need to get done in five years because the clock is ticking the ones that we're presenting today are all in The Five-Year Plan okay so they would start and complete within a two-year window within five years not the criteria was completed in two years uh it means that the project has

[0:04:05] to take that long to complete I know what I said um but yes these are the projects that that directors or managers have submitted that they think Council needs to be aware of that they think need to at least be started within the next five years and can we ask that our U that those be prioritized by by whom by the directors uhhuh Within their world so if you're looking at water if you're looking at sewer if you're looking at which whatever area you're responsible for what are your priorities and is it realistic to say that we can get those funded and started and completed within a two-year window within that five years yes we could definitely ask Department directors to do that because that's got to be top of mind and then Tina we want you to tell us what to do yeah got M for at all exactly go ahead I also want to point out that as far as the CIP project items uh before an item can be considered as far as CIP it has to be included in the CIP plan and so that's important a lot of people uh come to us sometimes citizens and say that they want something funded but unless city council unless we actually put the item on there it can be considered by city council so those items that are that are on the rer can be considered so the First Act has to be included in the CP in the cips CIP sorry CPI CIP you think think of this Consumer Price IND it mayor we we we'll help you okay thank you all right move forward so um Daniel um had asked City Council Members to each submit their three top Capital Improvement project priorities and then we consolidate those into a list in no specific order um but the the first SL here is showing projects that were submitted by council members that are already active and have some um at least partial funding for them so um we weren't going to go into a

[0:06:10] whole lot of detail on these just because they are already active and and partially or if not completely funded but if you have questions on any of these in particular then we can go into a little more detail well the Glenna Drive is funded right I mean that because we're working it now it's torn up and we're doing it right right or we're somewhere in the it's okay Shane it's all right but I know it's been mayor these are just the the projects that council members expressed as important to get completed and they wanted to make sure that they included them on there and that's why we have the have it up there as active project so again it's just to reinforce it yes the commitment is there as a matter of fact we've already started these projects and we'll continue working through these questions Tina you said these are no particular order right okay that's correct um you know what I don't have a copy of that you didn't get it yesterday no sir no I didn't okay mayor there you go May got it I got they gave me one I didn't meet yesterday so I met last week so we didn't have I said don't give it to them I know no we didn't say that okay continue so these are the remainder of the projects that were submitted by council members um and these are proposed Capital priorities um that are not yet funded um but that are uh priorities for city council members and really what I like to do with these mayor council members is so these are the proposed capital projects these are the ones that uh may have a little bit of funding but still don't have for instance the river stage does have a uh a funding source for a portion of it uh but the others are items that were brought up by council members that

[0:08:12] quite frankly of course you don't have uh Deep Pockets and the funding to fund all of these for sure but we definitely wanted to make sure that we came up with a listing hopefully uh listing of one through three which ones consensus wise the city council of members would say are the ones that are most important that we should be taken care of so again these items are are up there for your review if you have a specific item you'd like to discuss at this point we're prepared to put that on the screen and we have uh directors here that can address those more specifically okay hold on you want me to move on we have we do have a slide for each one of these since they aren't yet funded we figured there might be more discussion on them so we can move on to that first slide you got it okay so the first slide is the riverstage renovation expected Capital cost for pH phase one of $1.6 million and for phase two of $4.4 million and we do have some ideas that will suggest we have a little bit of funding set aside for this phase one already and then we have some ideas that we'll suggest later on in the um conversation that may be uh an additional funding source for this project so clarification on phase 24.4 million is that not $1.5 Million worth of the uh lift station isn't there a $1.5 million piece of that the lift station that which also would have to be done in order to develop the edge water in property Al is saying 1 million for that part 1 million okay so FYI it's not very specific just to the river stage but also to the edge water and development which I think everybody knows one that milon yeah yeah the other part that I want to remind everybody about the river stage renovation is the following and that is is that we are lucky as a city that we have this asset called the river runs through it every Community wants to have a river that runs through their downtown or

[0:10:15] their city it's one of our greatest assets and I say the following with it being one of our greatest assets what we want to make sure that we do is to take care of all those things and those projects and those properties that we own on the river to put our best foot forward statistically when you take a look at the performances that are happening on the river stage the numbers are pretty amazing in terms of here it is out in the open hot 115 degree weather sitting on stickers and dry dirt and yet we still have a tendency or we have proven that people will still tolerate those conditions and come out and participate to events at the river stage and I think that's key in terms of looking at why we want to continue to upgrade and take care of one of our great assets on the river so those are my comments on that mayor yes um I want to go hearken back to something council member Thomas alluded to several meetings ago about public private Partnerships and how they tend to work well in many cases um and this is just I would say there's nothing specific to this there's nothing I'll say Flesh on the bones of this but the city may be presented with an opportunity on that Edgewater end um Redevelopment with uh the possibility of a public private partnership to help move that along is that going to happen I don't have a clue well what I can tell you on that project is the following following ISS is that they're getting ready to try to put together a feasibility plan right to address whether it will or will not make if you will for someone to um do that project but you're taking you know if you look at that you're looking three years minimum before that project will come to

[0:12:18] reality and so you could hold it up hoping that the feasibility study says yes it works you need it anyway you need that lift station to happen well and I I am in full agreement with that my my point is just kind of the bigger picture is we may have an opportunity to participate as the city to help move the project even maybe more quickly or further down the road so again that that's getting off in the weeds when we really don't have any weeds to get off into yet so well I think they're dramatically separate projects so the edge waterer end is a a big wish list which we really think M will add a lot to the city we need it developed we want it developed but pulling together the statistics and that's the reason it's out there for um a feasibility study to get done and funded by a private source is to evaluate the reality of that property and what investment the city will have to make with that partnership in order for it to make as a project my point thank and so there is but it will cost the city yeah thanks any other questions comments Tom on the detail of the river stage and you're right towns that have a river that go through it they push it they promote it it's part of what they have St Angelo the majority of our commercial development faces away from the river and and we're doing this to make sure the forward progress develops that and changes it do we do we have development plans for the south side of the river that will help push and make this I understand this a project there's several projects on here that I think are absolutely necessary and I want to see this maybe a little more detail on you know what what are we really what are we going to

[0:14:22] volume size is it going to develop the south side of the river I mean well we have the plan for the river stage so we've approved that already all right we've approved phase one of that already if you're asking about the Edgewater and property those properties or are you talking about the river stage property the edge water I mean the whole development process I've had people ask me about this very detailed say okay I get it they are not in as much knowledge and share of information as we have and so I if somebody could give like a 30 45 second explanation of just help opter view 30,000 foot view of what this is that's what I'm talking about the feasibility study because the issue is and what has to be studied is to determine the viability of a hotel what size of hotel is it what about parking you cross over South Irving residential is it condos is it town houses is it duplexes what is it and the only way we know to answer those questions is to get this feasibility study done which is in the works meaning someone has signed up to pay for this feasibility study to determine statistically what the cost might be what the viability might be and at what level meaning is it 150 rooms do we need meeting rooms with that hotel do we need a 100 rooms do we need a miniature Convention Center do we need tow houses do we need duplexes do we need condos what is it we need and there is conversation a feasibility study being discussed um to address those things so we can make it viable and the biggest issue is if you take a look at the edge we end property is that is a tough piece of property to

[0:16:26] develop it goes down it's it's going to be expensive to do and so again the feasibility study needs to be done to determine the viability on it have we had interested people over the past few years yes have we met with them yes and many were interested and then here came the interest rates and it changed the viability and we also know that we're competing with larger cities for many of these um developers in terms of return on investment whether this one gives them the return on investment that's perhaps they would get in another market so there's a lot of questions and that goes back to the reason we're going to do or a person is going to do this feasibility study so everyone can look at the sheet of paper and say I'm interested I'm not there's a lot of questions and they're not answered yet so that covers our I mean our housing and we go but our our River Stage will accommodate x amount of people we're looking at a side amount of potential hotels condos whole thing it's a whole project that's going to take well the river stage is over here that's its own it's separate this is its own thing they're not connected right but we got them under one project here only the lift station okay only the lift station but you can't finish the river stage Project without the lift station which legitimately as a part of the development of the edge waterer in it would not be surprising that the developer asked the city put in the lift station as part of their contribution to developing it so it's out there as a a need one way or the other it's got to happen Okay other questions

[0:18:30] comments okay you want to move on next up is the Foster communication Coliseum renovation with a an estimated cost of just over $40 million mayor there was there was plenty of of Interest with council members that submitted uh their for their request to be discussed today and this is one of the items that popped up a few time several times actually uh for that discussion we haven't had one out in the open at this point to kind of have a kind of input from Council Members to see what your thoughts are we definitely would love to hear those from yall and uh we take from there look like my first question is originally when this conversation started maybe a year and a half ago two years ago it was a $28 million project then it grew and now we're at 40.6 what's the difference from the original 28 million to the 40 almost 41 million and does a 41 that's a capital cost that doesn't um include um carrying costs and what does the 40.6 million buy and what is the I think my other question is the fine where did this 40.6 million come from and to talk through what the $4.6 million buys us and what input has a city given relative to this proposed renovation okay so this project was submitted by Carl um but I think that's just simply a function of him um having this division SL uh reporting under him um but I think he gets his information from the Rodeo Association but I would have to ask him to confirm that car take the hot

[0:20:39] seat I believe that the the first figure of the 28 million was an earlier estimate so when the stock show rodeo Association got uh a more educated quote estimate of what the project would be it came back at about 37 million but the total project cost includes the design fees which aren't included in that any kind of escalation in prices since the quote the estimate and also some work at the parking lot that wasn't included in the in the Coliseum project all right qu yeah Harry you had your hand up I think certainly uh I'll go back to something that Tommy just said and it's one of the things I've said for the eight years that I've been sitting up here and public private Partnerships and I know there are people uh in this community that want this project to go forward that are willing to invest in this so I don't think the city is going to be on the tag for the $41 Million by themselves and I know there's people sitting in this room right now that can testify that there are monies out there that are available if we make this a priority and I certain are one of the council people that put this as as a priority on the capital Improvement plan so make that statement we can have conversations we go forward with it whatever we need to do I have a yeah Lucy on the other hand I would like to know firsthand who is going to be in the partnership who is going to help the city and uh the question that was an answered was when the mayor asked what do we get in in return how much money do we actually actually are going to we're going to invest this what is our return on this investment is what I would like to know Tom so I can answer some of these questions it's in my district I don't

[0:22:42] know I know there's people here from the association I don't know if they're allowed to speak at a CIP discussion but I called and spoke to one yesterday and I said I know y'all have engineering plans I want to make sure there's something in and they provided me a document that itemizes to a degree what I think would cover 80% of our questions today and I don't know if I should share that now hand that out what we're doing now is just talking of we're putting it on the CIP but the association has come forward with the opportunity to pay for a percentage of it all right out of their own funding so it's they're paying for the city's Coliseum you know or a portion of it which would be 25% I don't know how the interest rates affect that as we go in in debt but they're a offering to put some of that money in and I don't think we've ever really sat down with both parties and and line those rules out Lucy I mean we've never said okay who gets this do you still if you're going to pay 25% of the project do you still have to pay an annual lease who takes care of this I mean are there things back and forth that we probably need to understand who's going to bond who's going to end Insurance who's going to be over the project I talked to Justin just yesterday and it was like we start here but we've never even heard back from the city once your engineers look it over what you would want specifically I mean we have an engineering plan that we've spent money on but we don't know if that's in agreement with what y'all would request I mean when you go up to 9,000 seats there's other changes you have to make HVAC internal infrastructure there's I mean there's a lot of directions every body has chased to pursue financing for this but what I will say is if you look at one thing that a a set of grounds that provides money there's stock sh there's Rodeo the one that's on everybody's R mind right now is

[0:24:44] rodeo and it's great but there's other things you can do when we have somebody offering to pay for the city's Coliseum okay pay for a portion of it I don't know how many we just talked about interlocal agreements and agreements with private funding that can come in and help and I think it it merits discussion naturally you know my history you expect this from me it's not a surprise that I'm going to take this stance but I think there's certainly some times that we should sit together and say okay this is here we're looking at it what are the options of funding because there's the feedback has been very you me and the mayor have talked about this many times do you have the money to buy it off $40 million and have a bond that may last for X period of time do you have to go to a bond I mean if you make something that actually is concert ready and now we have people that want to use it for concerts you can do more in one event here than other things around here all year long you know we're going to bring in 9,000 people and if you sell that ticket you know but we the Coliseum as it is is not capable of generating enough Revenue to be honest have a high dollar concert I mean you divide it by 5,000 seats it's a $5,000 ticket you know well I think that's the big challenge you know if you take a look at historically the number of attendance relative to certain events right so other you you take a look at the rodeo which obviously this is the project was stimulated by the stock show rodeo folks and certainly because they're the ones who sell the tickets right so but if you go outside the context of the 10 days of the hot ticket nights what does exist for opportunity right so if you take a look in 2017 ZZ Top was in the Coliseum most of those people wanted to sit on the floor in front of the stage not in the seats there were 4,600 people

[0:26:48] who came to that that's the highest number of use attendance usage see um of the Coliseum then you go down to Mercy Me which is in 2021 3,088 people attended if you go to the monster trucks 2,152 people came then if you did monster trucks in 24 1,828 came so if you do for king and country 2,110 people came one of the issues with concerts is the following is is that you've got a middle and Odessa incredible facility abalene just put in one a lot of these big bands go from City to City to city is there really a chance for us to book at those ticket prices and fill to pay for these bands are expensive when we have competition from two other cities as well and the interesting thing if you take a look at the river States just as a comparison where you have weather and um stickers and dirt in the wild West Fest of 2021 the attendance was 5,295 people if you take a look at Kings of the West in 2022 4,103 if you look at Parker McCullum 2022 3,633 so the question mark is what is the realism attached to a $40 million project can we really fill it to pay for the need outside the context of the rodeo or are we spending the money for the benefit of the rodeo when the city won't benefit necessarily much beyond that and I can't answer it it's a question out there last one you just said is probably the key one that everybody brings up I mean they they bring up the Rodeo's ability to have 5,000 people 13 nights in a row every night they have one and then to go on to

[0:28:52] the next step but my question here is if we don't put ourselves in a position to compete with abing Midland and Odessa we don't have a plug-and-play venue that people come to we'll never know what a facility like this I I think the whole thing is you know it's whatever you can have in there there's indoor paintball tournaments there's pickle ball tournaments there's there's a ton of different events and you get to the end of those 11 months oh by the way we also have a rodeo in here yeah so I just want to say at this point there are things we need to sit down and discuss and I I don't see the reason these first two projects aren't the primary two that move forward I mean they're both value they both generate revenue and economic impact we have to proof that up we've talked about doing economic input studies that are in process to to proof them up to go with it once we get to that number and it looks good then I just want to say we continue those discussions I think the big challenges are falling and this gets down into financials later on but as it relates Ates to how you finance projects how do you finance $40 million if we go out on a bond we got you know we took out an $80 million bond to do streets and it's not paid for all that we need done so you take put a $40 million bond out there for a Coliseum we only have so much bonding of money's available to us do we do it for a Coliseum do we do find a different way to finance a Coliseum so that we don't direct our ability to bond infrastructure projects which we know we have to put as a top priority so the question mark is financing and funding and the question mark is have we looked at at the plan as it is presented and made sure that we had input from people other than the rodeo people we have not and so that's a number one issue is it's a singular perspective which does not

[0:30:55] mean it's not a holistic perspective that will work for everybody there's no no one saying it doesn't but have we and we haven't but I think we can do that can't we we can when I'm through yeah um yes we can do that and we should do that but my point is the following is there's a point in which you start to top out $40 million does not have carrying costs attached to it so the question mark is what is the final number how many years does it take because that impacts the carrying costs but everyone believes the Coliseum needs some improvements there's no question about that the question mark is where is the financing where's the money is it doable is it Financial capable and what if it goes beyond 41 million I mean how many years because if it takes 30 years your data before you complete it and that's the other issue so it's going to take a lot of analysis on that money to figure out what is or isn't viable how viable and how do we get it done Harry so back to my original Point let's see how much private money is available for this particular project and then see what it's going to take from the city's perspective I think it's well what we're going to find is that it's a project that can move forward in a relatively short period of time now I'm not talking about tomorrow but in a relatively short period of time in the next couple years but to Tom's Point let's sit down and just have this discussion all excuse me all the players and and figure out exactly what it's going to cost the city if there are issues that we cannot put out there because of the amount of money for for Bond well so be

[0:32:58] citizens will know that but we're getting asked regularly why can't we expand the Coliseum and if we've got private money out there let's talk to them I think everyone's in agreement I think yes go ahead Tommy I want to zoom out um I'm GNA ask our finance staff is there maybe do y' all have access to does does somebody could y'all find data that would tell us if you invested it doesn't matter what amount of money but if you invested 50 million and let's let's and because we've talked about I say we there has been talk of renovating this facility in which we sit um I'm just I keep asking myself H how do we know if the money is well spent would it be better spent here here or here I don't have a clue at this point so my question to y'all is is there data or something that y'all could access that could input data into it and then it could do its analysis and say your return on that money again doesn't matter the amount but the return on that money would be better spent likely here and there's going to be variables plugged into that no doubt but is that something y'all could access for us to to run that through yes um we use a software called Zack tax for our sales tax analysis and we can have them look into that and provide some information on either or both properties to show what kind of return on investment to Lucy's point we're receiving for the inputs that we put into the projects I personally as as just one council member that would be helpful for me just to

[0:35:02] see where where's your money best spent uh it may be it may be renovation of the Coliseum it may be renovation of the convention center um if I'm the only council member asking for it then I guess we don't do it but I would like to see that data no you're not you're not I mean I think the other issue that everyone has been talking about and it's been out there forever is the convention Visitors Center building we in and the reason it's asked a lot is we're constantly told right or wrong good or bad information that the rodeo does not book hotel rooms they're local people we know we're missing out on convention business because we don't have enough breakout rooms in this facility and the CVB can validate that we can't go after a lot of these events because of the facility that we have today so how do you balance the combination of investing in the convention center where we know we'll get hotel motel tax and particularly at a point in time where we might be saying that the Coliseum might be paid for and partial by a venue tax but the venue tax might be increased greater if you had a larger Hotel I mean a larger vention Center versus a Coliseum versus a river stage all three have viability all three have Investments needed the question mark is what can you invest in today to get your first big best return on it so if if y'all can do that analysis analysis for us um again sounds to me like there's pretty much consensus on the council here that that would be helpful data I would like to see that before we start I'm going to say wasting anybody's time um absolutely

[0:37:07] so yes we we'll do that we'll do that it may take a week or two but we can definitely get them started working on it okay thank you appreciate Karen I know you're shaking your heads about stuff you want to make comments no I was just agreeing with Tommy as far as the for you to get that uh paperwork to us or that info that we would see that and I think once we get that then we could start making more better informed decisions yes ma'am I think the end of the day we all know the Coliseum needs improvements the question mark is at what price tag and how do you do it we know the river stage is a great assets important we know this convention center needs work done and it needs to be increased in size unquestionably and when we say those things we also know that there's other projects out there that everybody's going to compete with as it relates to monies whether it's a police station whether it's additional fire stations what there's a lot in that 441 million oh yeah mayor I do want to point out that as far as the venue tax itself I'm glad you are talking about this because quite frankly we do have an item that'll come up here later on which has to do with a Convention Center as well uh I'm glad that we're talking about that because we're going have competing projects here we need to deter if we're going to use a venue tax which project are we going to use that on uh we're going to be limited by that one usage at at a time so doing an evaluation is the right way to go to kind of determine an Roi uh for the project and I think that's a good discussion Tommy thank you for bringing that up as well I agree I think that Coliseum needs a lot of work I'd love I've seen the the uh the rendering I think it's beautiful it looks wonderful um but again on our end since we are are limited as far as the resources that we have we need to make sure that we Choose Wisely uh for the biggest impact that we could possibly have for our community those are three big well two big ticket items they are yes

[0:39:12] Tom we've gone down that path before of talking about how many times can we put a $350,000 Band-Aid on the Coliseum on MCN you know to to be honest we just need an event center we need an event center with a hotel we' we've gone down that path I think Rick has had discussions and I think our group has made trips to look at other event centers and say is that really I mean in all honesty one big event center would cure all these problems I don't know what you do with these but just to make it even more you know 100 million-ish but I mean so but that's what other communities have done it's not it's not where we've been it's where we're going and so I I agree with all of y'all we need to sit down and look at it but is this the one Council that looks at it and says well this is where we go the biggest step we're going to be that'll get us the next 60 70 years with hotel with availability I get it but I as long as all of these things are willing to be openly discussed and everybody look at it all PS down to financing I mean it all gets down to money I mean bottom is where you find the money but they're not it's no one's questioning the viability and I think that's the key part no one's questioned the viability nobody's questioned the need nobody's questioning that it isn't a big want and a big wish and could have a good impact you know we are proud of the Heritage that the rodeo brings to the table I think this community has the greatest Pride tremendous pride in what's happening out there and it's due to the leadership and the organization and their willingness to listen to input and delivering on that input and they need a lot of credit for that we need to figure out how we get these projects done and that answer can't be answered today agre but what can be done today is we go forward to find what can be done what time frame it's going to take how we find the money how we

[0:41:16] continually improved the cities and citizens experiences and V visitors experiences well so Maran we needed that direction because this uh conversation's been out there for a while now and we just need to make sure we got that direction from city council so we can start looking at viability we start looking at which which which Pro projects would be feasible uh specific to this one as well so um again that's a good direction for us we can start working on some detail on that as well these are quality of life projects which are hugely important but then we're going to have infrastructure challenges which are real important and the question don't ruin a good day don't ruin a good day I'm going to end it on a good note we'll vote on that okay good so the question mark is how we separate infrastructure needs got to have from quality of life issues and how we focus the monies accordingly but we got all of that to get done and figure out okay Tina don't disappoint us it's in your hands to find the money and the resources cuz we want it all yeah no pressure thanks mayor you are you are so directed okay next up we have the mise Convention Center renovation um this again is not a a broader scale Improvement project but it's it is in the capital Improvement plan at $350,000 well part of the you know what could happen here but it won't solve it all is the possibility of a do um Hotel on the Edgewater and uh property as well as some meeting spaces there but it won't satisfy the mediumsized convention needs I think they're medium size whatever that means because we still have travel restrictions based off of flights but we need to look at that this facility isn't working the way it

[0:43:22] could T I think that's good because we had a good discussion about that this is going to be a competing project if anything so um let's go ahead and move on to the next one uh comprehensive Plan update was submitted by one or more council members at a capital cost of 700 $750,000 I would say we can vote on that every meeting for ordinance changes and updates versus spending that 750 on a comprehensive update which we might need that $750,000 to finance one of these projects it doesn't have to be a priority this time around M so we get it saying wow but it is something that's let me let me let me let me let me I guess I guess balance what the mayor said um as one council member it has troubled me over the past several years that I I'm not going to say we but I have not been more diligent in thinking longer term than shorter term for me personally the comprehensive Plan update is important to help us with future planning and I could go down my I've got a rant that I'll that no I'm not going to go through that I could go through about why this should be done but I don't want to just dismiss this out of hand um uh without you know at some point giving serious consideration to updating our comprehensive plan because every everything we have just discussed in my opinion plus multiple other things with respect to zoning with respect to planning in general with respect to rights of way um that we that we desperately need today on some of these things all of these things that we' discussed would then be addressed by a comprehensive Plan update so just I'll say to balance what the mayor said I I

[0:45:27] hear that but I don't want to just I'll say throw this um out out with the with the bath water um I'll leave it at that Tommy I do want to express that and I agree with you the comprehensive plan is something really important that's going to have to happen in the future near future far away future it needs to happen uh we are looking for Grant monies I can pretty much guarantee I'm sure the city council would would probably agree that if we received a certain portion Grant uh that uh we would need the remainder amount to really balance it out and pay for it I'm sure that we can bring this back to the city council and that would be probably not in that would be approved you know it's you definitely want to leverage whatever monies we receive through the grants but we are actively looking for those grants right now and we're hopeful that maybe this will be the year you know if not we'll continue looking at it and plan for the future please do thank you and the good news is as we move along on a monthly basis on um twice a month we certainly have things that we approve and adjust the zoning accordingly as as projects come forward so it's not keeping us from moving forward I get it and I understand it and understand the need it's a lot of money when we can deal with some of these things immediately and we have to anyway because they come forward twice a month so yes Tom so my question to everyone in staff is does the lack of an updated comprehensive plan prevent development from from coming here does it prevent economic people looking at it us and say okay we know that area town is now dedicated for housing we know this area of town is dedicated for commercial but I will agree with you here several spots in there Brenda is you know Santa Rita Sanita comprehensive Plan update I don't know how much it's going to change it I don't know how much it's going to change smd1 or two I mean North chaturn and smd2 are they're pretty well defined what they are I don't know how it changes it going

[0:47:29] further if it is developed to where it creates more invitation for people to come look at as for economic potential and growth I get it but I'm I'm kind of like you sometimes when we do a study it's a study and we spend a lot of money to give it if there's grant money to go for with it I I agree with Tommy but there's parts of St Angelo that we don't know are they developmental or not well we address these issues twice a month on the agenda they come forward they're like we need this change from neighborhood to commercial or commercial to neighborhood we address it as we move along again it doesn't mean that we don't need a comprehensive plan at some point in time but we're not ignoring the needs for development on a regular basis and that's all I'm saying Aaron does it does it hinder us not well I'll go back to something councilman Tom uh Thompson said is where are we going our last comprehensive our major update was in 2003 so 21 years 2009 then we had a a minor update with River Corridor in 2006 and we had a 2009 minor update with just the downtown economic area uh we are two decades behind of decision making of where are we going as a community we are that far behind and it does impact our economic growth it impacts our property values where are we going to actually get more property taxes in the future what are those areas designated for so it does make an impact every day of what we do in planning now we can do some small fixes as cases come through but that's not a comprehensive plan of where does our community want to go and where does our elected officials and administration want our community to go is it investment in the Colm is it more investment in downtown in the river is it where is it at is is it lake nasworthy is it a combination we we are very far behind we know we've been designated for two interstates and

[0:49:32] where that Corridor may be and if we don't get ahead of that we are going to be very bar far behind we're going to put challenges to Patrick and Shane and his staff of infastructure roads all those things even the CIP plan should be pointing back to our comprehensive plan what were those decisions made back then to move forward so I I I don't disagree with you mayor I know there are are things that cost dollars but I think we should in that fiveyear window this is going to be very very important for our community to look out in the next 20 25 years so that we're not putting that next group behind the eightball of trying to make huge decisions so that would be my you said something that jogged a question in my mind do we have a clue what it costs and what the the return is in the neighborhood I and that may sound like a silly question but if I if I said I live in this area of town could you tell me that is beneficial to the city in terms of the revenue with the property taxes with the commercial that's there everything that's there is that something that we have at our fingertips now I would probably lean on our finance department to assist us I think they've got some very good numbers but I don't know that we could go and point to block a and say well this block contributes this much towards our bottom line in my opinion the comprehensive plan could help us identify and quantify those areas that if if we say this is for commercial development in this area um and you're going to need another fire station because of the residential that we have planned over here and you can then I'll say shape and form that from the future standpoint to me that would give Comfort to the to the business Community to the development Community to have that kind of certainty with from

[0:51:34] a from a comprehensive plan standpoint okay but that that's something at some point I would like to know is I I'll say the the let's just call it the profit and loss of um certain areas of town uh and do we want do we need to look at infill more infill in certain areas of town do we need to look at more you know uh RS3 do we look at look look at more multif family uh Etc well it goes back to the number one thing that addresses most of that and that is the housing study we know that housing study addresses the needs of the city and the price point of which houses Apartments town houses Etc need to be that housing plan is an important document it drives because it tells tells you what the population of this city is income per household it gives you all those statistics those statistics tell you where growth is going to happen because the lot price in Bentwood is not the same as the lot price in Lake View so a lot of the information in that study is at our hands already we know what it told us we know where the growth has come from we know if we have or haven't addressed the housing needs and we also know that the development Community knows way ahead of us where to go they know where land is going to be important for building houses the commercial industry knows where they need to be Sams knows where they need to be HB knows where they need to be they know the rooftops and they knew the income in those rooftops they know it they have it that's how they decide what to do so again we probably spent enough time on this issue it obviously needs to be done but we're not ignoring the need on a on

[0:53:37] a agenda by agenda basis to deal with the issues at hand all right Twin Mountain Drive Extension oh you're on Tina yes Twin Mountain Drive Extension has been submitted to the CIP at a capital cost of $21.6 million um the estimates I've seen were closer to double that amount but I'm not sure if maybe they included it elsewhere in the CIP um but that's a project submitted by um Shane and Patrick Shane does that seem like a realistic number to you you're pretty good at this stuff I think you've built a road or two yes ma'am the 21.6 is excuse me is a good number for the roadway portion of it uh what we do have in a in some bigger numbers that we look at is also the water and sewer that would go along with it the extension of that as well as um um sidewalks or other things that would need to go on an arterial roadway so uh the 21.6 does cover the cost of the roadway itself but not the development but not the development not the water not the sewer those type things that you would want to probably go in at the same time as you're putting in the road but again this is just the roadway side of it not the water sewer side of it Shane wouldn't it make sense and wouldn't it make sense for us to start looking at acquisition of right away we know Twin Mountain is going to be extend we know it is it's just a question of when shouldn't we start looking at acquisition of RightWay the the one place that does really concern me is all the growth that we're seeing on South 67 um out out towards the old steakhous and and some of that area out there um that really does concern me about how that growth is really taking on and and and those properties are being bought up right there and and developed right now I think the

[0:55:39] acquisition in that that area would be fairly critical uh for us to go ahead and acquire a right of way right there so we we will not develop into something that we are going to need to acquire otherwise the extension is going to have to be kep being put pushed out pushed out pushed out until we're out around the lake somewhere and then that's not and that's not really where the road needs to where the is that included with the acquisition of any RightWay be inclused included in that 21 million yes I believe that in the 21 million we did I do actually have numbers um we were the surveying and acquisition uh just kind of looking at this was about the 2.5 million for the acquisition of RightWay surveying those type things that we would need um kind of as a preliminary uh to to kind of ensure that we secure what we need to secure so the road is in somewhat the same alignment that we have it in our master therap plan plan yeah I as one council member I would encourage you to start looking seriously at the acquisition of the necessary RightWay um to me that that to to your point you know if we want the road to go where we want it to go where we believe it needs to go um and rather than letting development dictate where it goes and keep just pushing it further west further west I would say let's start acquiring the right away we need um as soon as you can find the money wherever that may be uh that's just one one person's thought I've been a huge prop oent of extending Twin Mountain for the last three or four years a huge proponent of that so Shane what's the the cost connected with that phase one that we did the RightWay acquisition how much money we're looking at uh the it would be RightWay acquisition with all

[0:57:42] the surveying and the all the stuff that go along about two and a half million is what we have projected right now 10 and a half two and a half 2 2.5 I'm sorry wrong year I was hoping it was the two not the 10 okay okay I remember a number we talked about that was closer to half a million dollar was that just the design portion the that was the survey portion of it the half million is for the actually getting out and surveying the entire area meets bounds those type things for for the acquisition okay it also just gets back to do you have enough money to take care of your existing streets right now it's it's it's it's all it's all out there I mean there's not enough I don't I don't know that we can make enough money but we do what we can the question mark is correct that's been put forward to us is that we know what's happening out there it's not um it's something we're fully aware of how do you protect yourself how do we make sure that we get the road we want streets we want find the money find the money find the money find the money I keep hearing that find the money you know what since we're finding the money I'm thinking it's lunchtime and we should take a break right now good idea sounds good M find the Money Shane find the money you got time that's Tina at 12:45 p.m. after Tommy gets his other cookie I can't imagine I don't know anybody who would do that Tina we've lost where we're at so you're gonna have to guide us okay we're going to start back up um we finished off with the previous

[0:59:46] project and we'll start back up here with River Valley Lane drainage project at an estimated cost of $470,000 can can I add to this conversation Shane when the Republic trucks come down River Valley Lane to pick up the trash they didn't do a uturn to come back and they're constantly taking out the fence so the question mark is could could we just create a you you know a road somehow to do the U-turn there so the fence doesn't constantly get taken down yes ma'am we can definitely look at that and on this project here a lot of this is basically elevation changes within the road it's basically us going in there cutting down the road and then rebuilding the base and then of course just putting another two course um layer on top of it SE coat layer on top of it that's originally an old SE coat road so uh but that's kind of the base of this project and if if we want to move this project forward then we we can also look at putting a bullhead or some type of turnaround at the end to help uh accommodate the trash trucks uh there at the end of the road and of course it is city property from the edge of the road from the edge of River Valley Lane all the way to the river so we do have enough room to accommodate okay that sort of thank you turn around maneuver mayor yes sir this is this is in my district um there are people out there that do get water in their houses um with with a rain event I went out there uh we're praying for for that rain event absolutely we are um but it causes problems um I went out there not this not this weekend but when we had the the last rain it it when it rains pretty quickly pretty fast um um that we have water in people's houses so as soon as soon as feasible um this would be a worthwhile project for the folks out

[1:01:48] there that get the water in their house this and and this I'm not sure will address all of those issues on the backside because there are some other issues coming out of Butler Farms as well too into a private basically detention Basin back there and so I'm not I'm not sure that this River Valley Lane will cure that completely but if we can speed the water up leaving River Valley Lane maybe it will lessen that to some degree I agree with you I don't know that it'll solve it um if we had you know maybe some property owners that would would work with us that might be helpful too so correct and and like I said I think this would help the water move on off of River Valley faster that may alleviate some of those at least up in the houses issues uh but again I'm not sure it's going to completely fix the general flooding issues of that neighborhood coming out of Butler Farms agreed thank any other comments okay moving on Shady Point bridge replacement at an expected cost of60 can someone talk to Shady PL when they chewed up their chicken I mean chewed up their cookie and I I do have some comments on that as well Shane can a can our uh large larger emergency vehicles even is it is it wide enough for them to to cross that bridge the bridge the bridge is actually wide enough but it's now that we have it load zoned it's it's not safe enough for um one of the fire larger fire trucks to cross and definitely not for a ladder truck um and and so that is one of the issues there with the loads load zoning on that bridge and of course this is just this would be a basic replacement like going back with box cover instead of an actual Bridge structure itself uh in there um I know that some of the homeowners in that shady Point greater Shady Point area uh in there um have

[1:03:52] expressed wanting us asking us to raise the bridge so they can get us under it with uh boats and things like that we're we're not sure that that's actually going to be able to do anything like that because we do have water and sewer that runs along the side of the bridge as well uh and the sewer is the bigger problem than the water of course uh but those are things that we' have to overcome as well and we would have to and there would be some definitely some sewer cost and water cost involved with this as well this is just for the box box covert structure itself not for any water and sewer utilities that would be related cost as well the calls I get are are safety concerns um and for uh I'll just say access for our larger emergency um vehicles vehicles to to to get to them so yeah currently they have to use the other entrance on the other side to to access back in point correct correct so I'm in favor of this one when we can do it Tomy it is my area what the other uh constituents from that particular neighborhood uh a lot of them walk to Walmart and there is no access across the red aroya except that bridge bridge is pretty narrow uh you can't hardly get two vehicles uh in there at the same time but just it's a lot of money and I I believe that big portion of that 19.4 is the bridges self uh I'd be in favor of looking to see if we can find the money I just don't know that it's going to happen right away correct and there may and I know Patrick and um his staff are also looking for you know uh Grant dollars out there that may be available for you know pedestrian access those type things maybe if we cannot can't widen the bridge or replace the bridge to make it wi more accommoda for that maybe there is a way that we can accommodate some pedestrian

[1:05:54] Crossings as well in that area as well as sidewalk and and some of those improvements as well so there may be some Grant dollars out there that we can look again maybe not to replace the entire Road and Bridge and and widen the entire thing up to what we would like to see it but maybe at least get some pedestrian uh elements in there so we can uh at least facilitate those concerns thank you I appreciate that so um capital and Public Safety we've talked in the past um with you about um a rolling debt program that would alleviate uh expenditures and the general fund um so what we're looking at with that is $4.9 million uh biannual rolling debt program that would um give us enough funding to cover the transfer that we do every year for equipment replacement as as well as what we transfer over for the fire truck contribution um and that would be over two-year period in addition um we actually have $1.3 million earmarked there for fir truck and that's an anticipation of uh a need to replace the rescue truck for the fire department and so since we have that additional capacity um we are recommending using that rolling debt program to fund those needs in those ways um in addition this again frees up money in the general fund which will help to cover the cost of what's already been committed for the increases to Public Safety salaries that were implemented in January and then uh the shortterm debt issue it's a short-term note that would be paid off in one year um right now the capacity allows for about $2.6 million once we get final valuations Vince and his folks will update these numbers um but we're proposing to use that uh short-term note to cover the cost of

[1:07:56] Public Safety radio infrastructure equipment um at a cost of $1.5 million and then whatever is remaining we would propose to put towards improvements at the river stage okay questions comments yes a question Tina is is this when you say Public Safety we're talking fire police U all public safety that talking about the radio infrastructure yes ma'am Public Safety radio infrastructure I believe it covers all but I would have to defer to IT director Bucky probably to answer that question okay if if y'all can just I'll say confirm that with him just it let me know um be my hope that it would be for and and since you're asking about that that is just the infrastructure part of the project it does not include the actual Hardware the radios and things that go with that system and what would that additional amount be for Hardware do know the police department I think just received word that they're going to be receiving a grant and I think that's the purpose of that Grant is part of that funding um and then okay yes quote for radios for fire and police is three and A5 million so would the grant cover the that total three and a half I believe the grant came in at $2 million I don't know if Chief Howard might want to speak to that here he comes good afternoon how's everybody um yes we did receive a grant it was uh we applied for through August Luger's office and it was a $2 million Grant and the early estimates on the radio system with the with for Public Safety was $3.5 Million so

[1:10:00] yes ma'am yes yes um in addition Kimberly just informed me that um the fire department is also working with the Cog to try to identify some grant funding for that purpose as well hopefully we can get hopefully yeah hopefully we can do do the hardware as well as the infrastructure part too good all right moving on it is skip the um Public Safety right we wanted to talk to to the U Public Safety funding um as well as what that would require for a tax rate and a timeline um we do know as um that the state has limited our ability to generate property tax revenue and so that has put some limitations on us um in anticipation of the possib of having to go to an election for the adoption of a tax rate we are um scaling our timeline for Budget back to where we um do all of the meetings in the manner as if we assume we will go to an election just in case that comes to pass um so that means that all of our uh meetings will be in August instead of September this year and we do plan to adopt the tax rate in the budget um by August 19th um at the next meeting on May 21st we will have those dates available so that you guys can look at them and make sure that you're available and work with our schedules to make sure everybody can be there and I do want to talk a little bit about this as well mayor council members as yall are aware state legislators several years back uh they passed law that limits the amount of property tax revenues that the cities cities can can receive and that limitation is 3 and a half% per year that really um has hurt our our city I know that that the legisl ERS will immediately say no we're not limiting you guys to 3 and a half% all you have to do is take it to the voters you go you can go higher than that where

[1:12:03] our needs are there right now uh to address uh Public Safety that became a major issue last year it's going to be another issue again this year the 3 and a half% limitation I think was short-sided you look at what cities go by is what we call the municipal cost index for the past 5 years we've averaged around 4.52% as far as far as the cost of cities actually end up having to expend uh and the reason behind that you look at equipment that we purchase is so much more expensive and you've seen the price go up inflationary wise it's gone through the roof the chemicals we buy everything that we purchase especially road work now you look at petroleum based products everything is going to the roof so being limited to 3 and a half% when we know that our cost is higher than that is what really is hurting the city at this point I tell you that the last couple of years that we've kept to the 32% limitation because it is a limitation the city has lost out on $7.8 million you want to explain that a little bit more in detail what you're talking about on 3.5 because no one many people listening or watching today don't understand what you're referring to yes ma'am so the biggest Revenue source that a city has coming to it is going to be property tax revenues that is number one what the state legislators are telling us is from one year to the next year we uh will will not collect uh but the 3 and a half% revenue above the previous year's numbers on existing on EX yes ma'am that's that's correct on the existing values new values is a different story but again uh that part of it really is the the huge impact to a city I mean $7.8 million is a big chunk of money for the last couple of years with that said we're at that point that we did a lot last year to adjust pay for Public Safety uh which got them to about 85 85.6 7% competitive you look at that number that number is still um is still back there compared to what other cities are paying their Public Safety officers so on our

[1:14:06] end uh in order for us to to actually fill that Gap to where the police officers would be and and firefighters would be at the 100 and I say 100% right now I just want to make sure that I that I that I mentioned that as well in order for that to happen the Gap is like $4.6 million to get them uh to that point that equates to about 6.37 cents in the property tax rate that we would have to uh adjust in order to really meet the need for pay for the public safety uh and this doesn't even address the the non Civil Service uh employees this is just Public Safety that we're addressing at this point but we are there now over the last four years uh Public Safety has gone up about 25% over 6% per year and again we're being limited to 3 and a half% it's hurting us and we're at that point right now where we're going to have to go to the citizens and say hey Public Safety is important to us I know it's important to Y all too we need to do what's right what's fair for our Public Safety and address that concern now and say hey we need to increase the property tax rate in order to be able to cover uh that dollar amount when you start looking at the difference between our goal has always been to ensure that whatever comes in in uh property tax revenue covers Public Safety well it doesn't the difference right now is over $8 million so we're having to supplement uh from to the um the the property tax revenues with sales tax revenues and other fees that the city collects so we're short at this point so we have to get to that to that point where we can actually meet the needs that we have uh and right now the way to do it is to look at that property tax revenue look at the property tax rate and say okay we do want to adjust that property tax rate if we truly value our Public Safety we need to start looking at this very seriously so what does that mean that means that at this point we

[1:16:11] have to and Tina talked about the two different we actually came up with a plan and a contingency plan Tina I'll let you talk about that as far as the uh the steps that we have to take to take this to the voters Tina if you want to address that that as far as those staffs go for it oh sure um so if we uh choose to adopt a tax rate that exceeds the no new Revenue rate then that uh Senate Bill two does require us to go to an election um and if that's the case um there are a lot of deadlines that shift um in that scenario it has to be I think 72 days days prior to an election you have to have adopted your tax rate in your budget and that's why I talked earlier about the press schedule and so um it's really going to depend on where property tax values come in this year um and what that yields uh if we see a decrease in property tax um Revenue then we would have to figure out how to cover that shortfall um but in order to do anything as far as raises really for anyone there's the possibility that we would have to go to an election to at least maintain our existing rate if not slightly increase it and so those are discussions that we'll have to have right now we don't have enough information from the appraisal district to to make those um calculations um we did receive very preliminary um estimates but there's it's nothing that we can really rely on to provide you valuable information Tyler I spoke with him earlier this or earlier last week and he did say that he expects to have something a little more um reliable I guess if you will by mid June and so I'd propose that we come back and maybe even talk about it at the in print Enterprise funds Workshop just to give you guys an update on where we are with property tax but if you were to say we um are going to use U last year's number as your base number let's just say you use exactly the same amount or add 3.5% what you're

[1:18:14] allowed what would that mean for the average person in terms of an increase in their property tax dollars I would have to do some work on that mayor I just wanted to really introduce the idea right now because we really as I mentioned a while ago we just want to do what's what's fair but we also know that in order for that to happen again our legislators have been telling us we didn't limit you guys so all you have to do is take it to the voters if that is the case I think you'll start seeing more and more cities having to do that because as I mentioned a while ago our costs go up more than that limit that they've given us at this point they just do and um the only other way to do it is to really start looking at where can we cut back our services and um that would have to haveen on a year-by-year basis we don't take it to the voters okay where else can we cut our services okay we got to cut our services again every year would be a subtraction of services rather than making sure that we're receiving the revenues necessary to actually operate a city because you only have two sources of revenue sales tax and property taxes primarily those are the primary yes ma'am and even because the franchise and the alcohol don't bring in enough the offset they don't impact it yes ma'am and you know that the franchise fee is the third largest revenue that we receive even that is starting to dwindle as well correct so that is problematic for us I think there's questions comments yeah um Tina I want to put words in your mouth or even in Daniel's mouth I guess this is for Daniel at this point if if we went to the voters and and said you know we want 6.3 additional cents I believe is the number you used that would get Public Safety to 100% of comparable that is correct that is again I am throwing I'm just showing the true gap between the percentage where they are and then the

[1:20:15] 100% yes okay Tina for you um I I am concerned about Public Safety as well as all our other employees do do we have a number yet maybe we don't um where we can start make me start making meaningful progress um on all our employees pay do would would that be the 6.3 and at this point if if it didn't 100% didn't go to Public Safety if if 90% 95% um of comparable um is that some information you can you can get us absolutely we can definitely get it for you I was just trying to see if I had it calculated here already um I do I can say that a gap the Gap in Pay um to get us to 100% would be 4.6 million for Public Safety 3.1 million for um other general fund supported employees for a total of 7.7 million but again that gets us to 100% And I'm not saying that that's our goal but we could come back to you with like the cost of a 1% rate to kind of give you an idea what it's going to take to get wherever it is that you do want to go okay but yeah at least for me please that would be helpful other questions or comments Tom so when you look at property tax values and what they pay for and what you don't and I'm going to get into that area that I'm going to lean on finance for the answer at 65 we lock a lot of these people down to where they have no more changes correct so what was a broad tax BAS is becoming a little bit more narrower and so we take everybody 65 and older out of the mix of being part of the contributors to the pie to the increases yes so I think it's important to remember as we look at this it's going to affect this percentage of the population it's not 100% of the population it's by far closer to 60 something per of the population and with

[1:22:17] those preliminary numbers that Tyler sent us um we did see a pretty substantial increase in those freezes right so I get that now there's things we look at but I there's a cost of doing business and moving forward every day the cost of operating the city is no different than Commercial Business for those living at home that we all have R of you know a cost increase and we we need to be aware that we're going to have to assume that burden if we want our city to be as good as it can be we're all going to have to pitch in and have some money in the game so I'm not afraid to pursue that but I I think it's really important we do say what decisions we make affect a a centralized part of our community that's closer to 60% than it is 100% I think the financial book that you know I was referring to earlier today it reflected a $1.5 million change from 22 to 23 and the exemptions on property tax that was last year gotcha I'm sure it was 1.5 well that exemption thing has come back to Bas several times over 20 years I mean when they locked that in across all those boards and Angelo is unique in the fact that we're like the only city that locks in all those tiers and it's cost us we could those a lot of discussions we have today could have gone away if we had those less costly absolutely yeah questions comments anything else okay move on um so this is my last slide but I just want to reiterate that we are planning to do the the Enterprise funds Workshop um June 25th if that works for everyone no out leave that I do want to say that um we're going to be on a very tight timeline tight timeline and we're starting to look at the increase in property tax rate that it's going to become really difficult to coordinate and really when we actually have a date committed we

[1:24:20] have to stick to that date if not it really throws everything else off so um we have some flexibility with this first Workshop excuse me with both workshops it's the other meetings in in August that are going to be we have to do them those days um so with this one um give yall let y'all look at these dates come back next time and decide on them but we do have some flexibility with Enterprise and general fund Workshop um we were just proposing to do them a month earlier so that we have more time once we get to the point of where where we have to get everything done in August that our staff has a little more time to work on that stuff so so the 25th meeting in June could it be backed up to the 21st of June because then you'd be here right right or one day the or even the 18th after the city council meeting better Mond 24th you said the 24th yeah 24th a Monday or she said we could do it after the city council meeting on the 18th cool that's easier just to get it done on city council meeting so let's do it on the 18th of June could we do that okay we're going to be here anyway so yeah so that's the Enterprise ENT Enterprise on the 18th yeah so we could do the same thing for general fund on July 16th if that works better for y'all after the city council meeting why don't you plan it for July 16th right now and then give us a day or two we're already here come back to you on that um but tentatively put it on the 16th of July okay and then the next couple days if anybody has a problem with that date uh you'll let us know okay we're going to be here anyway so yeah that's my point so just so I would I would say lock that in almost and that third date we just have on there because you'll recall that we don't get our draft of property tax values of our

[1:26:23] certified estimates or values whatever they may be this year um until July 25th so we'll be having that general fund Workshop in discussion before we actually have final property tax values but you'll have but we can get the direction from y'all um at the general fund workshop and you can tell us what you want and then we'll do whatever we can to bring that back to you so okay the key thing is really having a more defined Str strategy as it relates to property tax rate because that's the driver of this whole conversation so the sooner we can nail something that's something that's within the realm of whatever we need that date we need that information because it determines the rest of the general fund and everything else so we're just going to need to push hard to get that information so I'm hopeful that by June 18th when we do the Enterprise funds Workshop we can add um a slide or two to go through that as long as we've received anything from Tyler but again we're kind of at his Mercy as far as when we receive that information but as soon as we do we'll get it onto the agenda okay all right all right so these tenative schedules have been changed so that slide's going to be updated all right thank you may thank you very much mayor that's it for our presentation I just want to thank all of y'all for for uh assisting and giving us that direction and we look forward to that next meeting we're good thank you thank you thank you

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