San Angelo City Council 12-3-13

[0:00:01] it appears to be 9:04 if you would set that down and let's let's get this meeting started let's begin this morning with their invocation I'll ask Rodney White the Catholic dicese of St Angelo to come forward and lead us in our invocation my phone is yours sir let's bow our heads Almighty and everliving God we thank you and we praise you for your goodness to us Lord for your Abundant Blessings that you continue to pour out upon us and upon our families and friends Lord we ask that you be present here amongst us as we begin this meeting that we may work for the betterment of our community and our city and we ask this through Christ Our Lord amen amen thank you sir and now to help us with the pledge allegiance we have the fifth grader from Cornerstone Christian School Miss Lizzy Ireland if you would come forward please ma'am how about you are you ready to go you get us started and we'll follow you IED Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stand one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for Allon the Texas flag I pledge Al to thee Texas one under God one and indivisible good job thank you so [Applause] much and we do have a proclamation this morning I have to read all of this yes

[0:02:06] sir there's big words in this too Lea Luger big words I told you i' kept it as short as I could let's read this Leaf Luger will be accepting the proclamation this is the 19th annual city of St Angelo cono Christmas celebration with over 3 million lights one of the largest Christmas lighting displays in the state the display offers two and 1 half miles walking or driving tour beginning behind the main post office on the corner of Abe and first and ending up a sale to Santa Angela and those involved consist of hundreds of volunteers including offenders from the direction Department of Corrections who assist with the installation of Christmas scenes and hang lights the sanangelo Restaurant Association who Supply food to the inmates RSVP Who deliver inmates food and the community of Christmas tree lighting ceremony will be held Saturday December the 7th of 213 at 5:15 p.m. on the corner of South ch and West consono Avenue activities will include the S Angelo Community band conducted by Dr Constance Kelly of Angelo State University the harmony Bell's chorus directed by Libby kamik and the twin mountains tesman directed by Mark Clark and the community tree lighting will be followed by the 12th annual lights of Christmas parade at 6:00 p.m. which may be viewed on Second Street between Oaks and chadburn on chadburn between second and kcho on kcho between chadburn and Oaks on Oaks back to second and the tour of Lights can be seen Sunday through Thursday from 6:00 to 10:00 p.m. and each Friday and Saturday from 6:00 p.m. to midnight December the 6th through December 31st of 23 therefore I Dwayne Morrison mayor of the city of Stan Angelo Texas on behalf of the city council do hereby declare Saturday December the 7th of 213 as Concho Christmas celebration day and encourage our citizens to join the activity and view the Magnificent display that has become a measured Community event Mr fluger thank you thank you very much make a speech now well I believe Dwayne is probably said it all right there uh

[0:04:09] but on behalf of the Concho Christmas celebration committee uh we'd like to invite everyone to come out multiple times we have a great event for our city it's uh it's got a dual purpose first first of all obviously it's to uh enhance the quality of life of all our our PE of our citizens and of our visitors by enhancing the holiday spirit and secondly uh it's a it's an economic driver for our community it attracts U hundreds of people uh that use our restaurants and and our motels so uh we appreciate the support of the city and uh and of the community and and I can't say enough for the hundreds of volunteers we have over 400 volunteers that uh participate in this event each year and we invite you all to join us for the occasion thank you very much thank you thank you mayor let's get a [Applause] pict that gets to Hollywood Lee we're both gone and Carl white are you in the building sir this is a recognition Carl white put together the city of San Angelo Riverfest and for doing it more and doing it better and exceeding our expectations and the high standards inspire all of us so I've got Carl up here Carl tell us something about it and accept our congratulations buddy sir I was hoping we could bring the rest of the committee up as well if if you're part of the committee please come forward cuz this wasn't just Carl's event it was the committee's event and I want to make sure you all get recognition for it it was really an honor to be able to to work with these folks and uh we had a great time we had numerous meetings and we got to bond during all those meetings and we had a great time hosting the event so uh the Thanks goes out to The

[0:06:13] Community for uh supporting us in the event and for coming to the event introduce are you going to introduce him Carl I don't always think too quickly up here Pamela Miller from the convention visards Bureau Jenny Campbell as well from the convention visitors bureau Roger havlock Park superintendent Mike Hitchcock Deputy Park superintendent Lori davala with Civic events uh Ida Rios with uh Parks and Recreation Administration ANH hel capena with the Civic events Civic events manager um Sanford muton with ASU and the Yas group The Volunteers the youth volunteer group and Joseph Ashmore with the sound stage and songwriters Association it was a really great pleasure to work with everybody so thank [Applause] you picture we're take picture back this way back where you going large [Music] group sh [Music] want to do a dou one two thank thank you Carl thank you Carl H yeah one of them was

[0:08:26] cancel did you want me to go ahead and read that or did you you want just cancel it since they didn't make it we had one more recognition but they're not here so we'll get it to them later and this is the time in our council meeting that we take public comment let me read this and get the legalities out of the way and then I will open up the floor to the citizens public comment the council takes public comment on all items in the regular agenda public input on the regular agenda item will be taken at its appropriate discussion public input on an item not on the agenda or consent agenda may be identified and requested for consideration by the council at this time the council May request an item to be placed on a future agenda or for our consent agenda item to be moved to the regular agenda for public comment on public hearing items public input will be received on each item immediately following the council discussion and prior to any action on the item each member of the public shall make the remarks from the podium Begin by stating their name remarks by each citizen will be limited from to 3 to 5 minutes unless waved by a council member for all speaking on that matter no individual will be allowed to speak more than once on anyone's subject until every citizen wishing to comment has done so and here's the time if you have any if there's anyone in the public that wishes to approach the councel if you have a complaint or a grievance to Heir or anything you want to talk about that is not on the regular agenda or if there's something on the consent that you would like to be moved to the regular this is your opportunity to come forward please everybody seems be in pretty good mood this morning so we'll move on to the council are there any Council comments that need to be made at this time or are there any items on the consent agenda that the council would like to move to the regular I'd like to move item seven to the regular number seven

[0:10:30] s Charlotte anyone else I'd like to move move number five number five Johnny mayor I don't even really need to have it pulled or moved but number two it doesn't really uh it's not clear whether it's a budgeted item or not it's 2 million 2,938 6454 I I can't it doesn't say where it's budgeted you want to pull it and have Mr krger address it sure okay let's pull number that's my question we pull number two and have Krueger address it and I was going to pull number eight because I voted against this every year since it's been showing up because it's not a local so I'm going to pull number eight and we're going to discuss that one too so that's number two number seven number five and number eight everything else all right with Council there's very little left but if someone wants to make a motion to accept them we'll move on motion to approve the consent agenda with the exception of 257 and eight for public discussion okay I've got a got a motion to have a second I'll second that I've got a mo motion by Charlotte a second by Rodney any further discussion from the council further discussion from the public if not I'll call for the vote all in favor say I I any opposed nay all right let's move on then to number two uh this is consideration of awarding competitive sealed proposal w213 for the 2113 Rio cono sewer line improvements to Darnell Construction LLC of St Angelo Texas in the amount of 2 milon 093 869 54 cents authorizing staff to negotiate a contract and authorizing the city manager to execute said contract and any related documents Mr kriger would you answer Johnny's questions please sir be glad to good morning Council yes this uh project is budgeted under the Wastewater Capital

[0:12:32] Improvement um program so it it's a project that we've we've had on the books been working on for all the past year or so but okay I just I just read what it said funded but wasn't clear on the budget okay okay satisfied Johnny Yes you want to move to approve sure any you do anybody want second is move second got a motion got a second all in favor say I I any oppose nay I would like to abstain is that okay okay so we've got one two three four five four one abstain okay let's move on then number five number five is the second hearing consideration of adopting an ordinance amending chapter 10 traffic control regarding the operation of go golf carts Chief vuscus an ordinance of the city of s Angelo Texas amending chapter 10 traffic control s Angelo code of ordinances to add a new article 10700 entitled operation of golf carts on public streets in order to allow and regulate the operation of golf carts on any part of the traffic area of any public Street or Highway within the city limits where the posted speed limit is not more than 30 mph providing definitions establishing limitations on such operation establishing requirements for equipment annual registration establishing administrative process establishing a registration fee providing for a penalty for the violation of this ordinance and amending appendix a entitled article 3,000 business related fees to add a new Section 3 1300 golf cart registration fee providing for severe ability and providing for an effective date of this ordinance uh who from the police department Kevin you going to talk on this sir what what what's your questions Don me Rodney what are your concerns the the main question that I have is that U according to state law if you live within two miles of a golf course you can still do this without doing a registration the information that I've been given is that that is going to be

[0:14:35] excluded from here in St Angelo we're not going to make anybody living near a golf course or within two miles get a registration on their golf cart and have to go through the inspections that these golf carts are going to have to go through is that correct that's correct corre okay that's all I that's all I wanted to get it on the record to make sure that we're good you want to move to approve I move that we approve this item anybody will second it got a motion to approve Rodney Marty safe is seconded any any further Council discussion discussion from the public made it easy on you all in favor say I I any oppos Nay put a 60 on that one please ma'am number seven this is a second hearing consideration of adopting an ordinance amending the 213 214 budget Morgan an ordinance of the city of St Angelo amending the budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1 213 ending September 30214 for incumbrances restricted and dedicated monies incomplete projects and grants who is this m Don yes uh I noticed on this we've got some uh Hotel occupancy tax uh monies and I just wanted to uh uh see what the status of our Coliseum roof was I noticed it wasn't on here and we discussed it during that time so I just kind of wanted to know I can briefly answer that and and Angelica can as well come on up Angelica but in short the staff has beening working on that we've gotten the engineering reports those kind of things um and Angelica can give you the details yes we did have an engineer um evaluate the structural Integrity of the roof and found that it was it it's very um structurally sound so we can move forward with the project it's not included in this budget amendment because we don't have a cost associated with it yet we do plan on bringing that early next year for your consideration okay um why why does it take so long the the initial component was getting the engineer in place and getting that assessment done so we know what we're trying to bid so that's just happened now she's working with Roger as

[0:16:38] far as the type of roof material correct and secondly we were trying to figure out how are we going to do this are we going to bid it out we going to do a request for proposal we going to go with a consultant and we have decided that it would be best to use a buyboard option that we have which is a dural last company and we do have local um representative correct that can help us with that process so it did take a little bit longer to get all that background and all the the information that we need to move forward our hope is to move forward with getting all that in place and then after the rodeo is over you know that's when we would want to try and get the install done okay and and that was was my concern particularly you know with the spring rains and I know that that uh it's been patched is that holding all right everything yes it's actually doing very well we had it patched by Harrison Roofing and since we've had rain we've had no leakage okay good deal thank you I move for approval sir thank you I've got a motion to approve I have a second any further councel discussion public discussion if not I call for the vote all in favor say I I any oppose Nay put 60 on that one please and this last one I have called for number eight is consideration of selecting image trend for RFP fd213 authorizing staff to negotiate a Fire Department Records management system system contract between the city of St Angelo and image trend for software annual maintenance and hardware and for additional Hardware to be purchased from other vendors and a total combined amount not to exceed $210,000 and authorizing the city manager to execute said contract and any related documents but Dwayne I might you might I might clarify on this one this is not our collection agency which is the one you've typically been concerned about this is just simply the software that we brought to yall a while back that is crashed and no or is no long it's obsolete and they will not support it anymore our operating software so this is to replace that operating software internally it's not the collection agency yes sir it it's it's

[0:18:41] all of our data that we collect from either fires or EMS runs or our shift work all of our hours that the guys put in are scheduling this collects all that data for us it is obsolete at this time uh this is our second trial the first time uh we put a rfps for it we had nobody met the criteria that we needed to put together for all this so we come back to you and we rejected all those rfps in 2012 we since then have found a company that will combine it all and put it together for us and that's what we're recommending and they are out of uh Florida is that what I read I do not want to lie to you they might be uh we put out seven bids there's not a whole lot of companies that will do EMS fire and scheduling all together and combine those for you so you have to go out and buy an EMS package you have to go out and buy a fire package and then you have to try to place them together this company does all three of those for us and places them together so Minnesota Minnesota Minnesota thank you Vikings is that close enough yeah that's close enough I wish we had somebody local that would well that's that's that's my question this is $210,000 we've got we've got the finest University in the world that backs up the state of Texas on computer issues and I just wonder why we have to go to Minnesota when we have something done when we ought to be able to do it in St Angelo Texas we put it out for bid and anyone locally is more than welcome to bid on it we would we would love to have that but and they did not but we get what we get as far as the bids yes sir I guess you've answered all my questions sir I'll move to approve it as presented I have one yes sir done uh as working with this system for years uh what is your projection as far as as this thing standing up and and handling the load that it has and then along with that I noticed that there was some monies in here uh basically for maintenance uh yes sir did you did you ask questions about that and what what did you get back as

[0:20:44] far as answers oh definitely they will uh contract with us to maintain the program for up to 5 years at the pricing level that they have uh quoted us okay uh I believe it was 14,000 a year just under just under 15,000 a year um we're paying 9,000 right now through Z which does not maintain uh that system that we bought in 2000 has been purchased by four different vendors that is supplying it to us now so now Z owns it and Z is not uh maintaining they're not going to maintain it because we're not purchasing extra software and servers from them uh the last uh bid that we got in on the rfps for 2012 they did put a a bid in for it but it was the price was way up there and the maintenance was I to say was $50,000 a year from maintenance on it how how long do you think this system will be viable and and was it budgeted yeah I I think we actually got 10 plus years down the road uh out of this system here it actually has some parts to it that other fire departments are going to that we may move to in the future that we have access to we're not there yet but we have access to those parts for uh any future needs so I'm hoping it's going to work out for us for at least up to 10 years okay good deal any other questions from Council I'll second your motion Charter Beach do it oh she got it okay we do have a second we do have the motion we do have a second no further counsel comments is there anything from the public on this if not I'll ask for the vote all in favor say I I any oppose Nay put a 60 on that one please ma'am and that will take care of our consent agenda moving on now to I to uh item G public hearing and comment number nine uh we did have one request and the council I need to ask if we can do this we've got a got a lot of people here to deal with number 14 this is on neighborhood Blitz would it be all right with the counsil if we pull number

[0:22:48] 14 forward and deal with it while the people are here anybody Marty you have a problem with it done sorry started okay let's go ahead and pull number 14 Miss Marley will'll get to you in just a minute please ma'am thank you number 14 is a public hearing consideration of approving an amendment to the 13 annual action plan for use of cdbg funds for neighborhood Blitz and authorizing staff to submit set amendment to HUD and any related action there too Bob Solas you are on sir good morning mayor uh Council uh as you know the annual act the annual neighborhood Blitz has become a very important part of our neighborhood revitalization efforts and it's been suc successful due in large part to our Partnerships and of course our city staff but what really sets us apart from the other cities who do these kind of things is that we replace deteriorated sighting before before we paint um it really has a more dramatic impact on the neighborhood in the past we've used the half cent sales tax affordable housing funds uh the fund balance to pay for the siding replacement uh unfortunately um those access funds have dried up so in order to continue the blitz uh we're recommending using cdbg Grant funds uh we'd like to move 102,2 from from what we call complete rehabs uh to the annual Blitz uh currently housing rehab projects can cost up to 25,000 per project um while the blitz average is about 4,000 so we really almost we can almost double the amount of rehabs we can complete in a year uh it really gives us more bank for the buck and we're asking Council to allow us to uh to use cdbg funds do I have any discussion on Council I do start with Don and then it'll go to you John um I'm totally opposed to this I would rather us fix up uh houses from from top to bottom more

[0:24:51] or less then then painting and and doing some of those sort of things that are are just outside kind of things if you've got electrical problems you've got sheetrock Pro problems those people have to live inside here um I mean it's all well and good to to fix up the outside and I'm all for that too but I would rather do fewer homes and help more people uh from top to bottom than than just a little paint up fix up on the outside oh you know we do have an emergency repair program to handle things like electrical problems gas leaks um seore backups those that doesn't go away that's one of our most popular programs and we have a report later on this afternoon uh that will show that um very successful um the problem with the rehab complete rehabs uh with the funds being cut pretty steadily Over The Last 5 Years uh we've gone from doing 25 a year to 15 eventually we're get down to about four or five a year um so we don't help as many people as as we'd like to uh so the with the dwindling funds uh will we're going to eventually have to do something anyway well and I would you know and here again the the council may not agree with me and you may not but I would rather substantially repair particularly an older person's home uh to make it safe warm comfortable Farm than than to put sighting on the outside and and uh uh renovate it so it looks good for the neighborhood and one more thing um councilman uh we we do fund a organization called Helping Hands that does Target elderly homeowners to do more extensive than just the outside so we do have some some services available well I wouldn't be opposed to taking this money and putting it toward them that's up Johnny no Bob and Don

[0:26:57] must have been been reading my mind I was just very curious on you know you're doing the outside my question what's going to be what's what happens on the inside and why if you can take care of a home for the you said around 4,000 why the the the dro in numbers and you would think that if you could do 4,000 per home down to nine uh why the DraStic well the difference is this uh the complete rehab uh with a $25,000 cap you can go in and do a the sheet rock you can go and do a lot more uh you could do the inside not just the outside and we typically do the on a typical complete rehab we do sting replacement and we do painting as part of the package uh part of that 25,000 uh uh so yeah the the blitz we replace siding and sometimes Windows depending on the on the situation and then we of course we paint with all the partners and and uh uh so that's the difference in the costs so of course of course um it is from the same pot of money though if we were to to do this what would happen is those complete rehabs would basically go away with exception of about five rehabs that we've targeted for rental rehabs uh we're going to trying to get some landlords interested in um uh getting the loan to help fix some of their rental units to rent to low-income families as part of the shortage of our um out of our rental affordable rental stock uh so that's the that's what we're talking about that complete rehab program would probably would basically go away and and I just like to say I I've always been a proponent of this uh this program because I I've seen what it's done out there and I totally understand where Don's coming from I'm going to um move that we go ahead and prove this but in talking about the other organization Helping Hands if you guys could work more hand inand and as to not only the outside but maybe tweak up you know cuz

[0:29:01] you're talking about a fire hazard if something electrical would to go wrong and then but we got funds for that though we can help with that and that's my main concern is just uh try to get as much done both in and out and uh and and get because it does improve the the neighborhood I I honestly believe that so I I'll move to to approve that second Rodney is there anybody here that's from the U the Blitz the Hood Blitz program that I mean how do they feel about this do going and uh they're very supportive very supportive uh um not only for the the community sake but I think for the neighborhood as well uh individuals uh I mean when you when you replace sighting and do the painting and do the outside um they um it's a domino effect and that's where we're after and again we talking about more bang for the bug getting across affected more citizens this program is a lot um I think it's a lot better okay thank you Charlotte I want to say that I don't have a problem with your request and I and I agree it should be done I hear what Don is saying and I appreciate that but I do know there's other programs to assist with more major repairs uh the even though sighting is Major to some but the the blitz program and the money that is spent there affects the entire neighborhood not just the one individual and the other comment that I wanted to make was um you do an outstanding job Mr Solace and I want to commend you for your leadership with the program and all of the programs and the things that you do for the city of St Angelo thank you thank you appreciate it Marty do you have anything before we go back and second round Don well you know of course with the blitz Michael how many people do we have that takes part in that for the city do you know or Bob you may know 400 400 what what's the cost to the city for 400 people being offer a day well they're not off for the day I'm sorry go they're not off for the day they actually work it's just that

[0:31:02] their their their um their job performance for that day is targeted somewhere else um absolutely if but if you were not to allow this the the the um the the staff to participate we would still hold a a neighborhood Blitz with volunteers and I'm not not opposed to that all my point is is it's still taxpayers money paying those and that's not figured in into this as far as the calculation and the monies that that are actually shown for that I mean when you take someone from uh say the legal department they go uh work on a park that's still city property so that doesn't you know what I'm saying it's almost I want say it's a wash it's more of a wash than than uh well but you you still have somebody that's getting paid I understand sir you're a lot of money that that is that that is a risk that we take that's a risk we take when we close down non-essential personnel and have them go do other things yes sir okay Bob uh I know this started out as solely a city employee driven it did or executed kind of thing where where does it sit now with the balance between uh paid employees and volunteers we have more volunteers than paid employees and like I said really this year if for some reason Council does not want to allow this the staff to participate we're still going to hold a neighborhood blitz so it's got that kind of momentum it has that kind of momentum well you know if Council uh wants to discuss where this is headed in the future that can certainly be a future agenda item uh the the entire fate of the issue we proba bring it back in January um for for your discussion and uh and approval so mayor I I just finally wanted to add that you know I've been part of a couple of those Blitz and uh not only do I see the morale of staff I mean they're

[0:33:05] they're fired up ready to go that day but then also see the morale of the even the other volunteers the ASU volunteers and everybody else out there but at the end of the day when I see that elderly lady and she has her house you know painted or you know just redone and and and I see those tears coming out that's I mean that's all worth it you know that's the bottom line is you know we shoot ourselves uh in the arm as as a group the morale you know what I'm saying it it really uh is is exciting to see how excited they are sure the day of the event so as on as side I was I've been asked to uh to be a speaker at the uh State uh Community Development uh director's conference to talk about the Blitz and some of the things we do here so the word the word gets out the S Angel does a lot of things here was this one of our Awards our award the award yeah this we're we're going to talk about the same thing at the community develop my my Conor Parts across the state well and understand I'm not against the blitz I'm I'm just wanting to make sure that everything's out in the open and understands the finances that we're talking about and it's a difference in philosophy I would rather fix up one house from top to bottom or maybe look at at our volunteers for for doing an entire house versus fixing sighting and painting the outside and it's just a philosophic and we can morph we can morph towards something else later on in the future and this could be temporary it could be three or four years hopefully we we're going to run out of houses to do I mean that's that's kind of like the goal uh at that point uh we could we can move that money somewhere else so many I'm sorry Charlotte go ahead but I know also that uh from working some of the the blitz projects myself the people the homes that you are refurbishing on the outside to clean up the neighborhood very very proud proudful of the fact that you're there but they don't want you in their home that's correct lot of them don't privacy it you know it it pops up and

[0:35:08] they don't want you in their home and to go in and do electrical work or major work you got to scale down and get the mass crowds of people nonworking to the security of that individual and their feeling has got to be considered and I saw a lot of that you know it's okay as long as you're outside right but please don't come in how many dollars did you say Rob 10 12,967 that's that's $103,000 $13,000 Don two years ago I opposed this for some of the same reasons that you're talking little different but I've got to change my mind I think that it is worthwhile and I've seen Advantage so I'd give it a 40 on the negative and I'd give it a 60 on the positive so who made a motion to accept this Johnny did Johnny moved and you seconded we do have a motion to approve we do have a second is there any further discussion from Council do I have anyone from the public that would like to comment upon this come on up Craig state your name you got three to five buddy Craig Myers with WT um speaking directly to the concerns that uh councilman inment had there's two ways to do business as an organization you can do it by the planning department having precedence or the engineering department Engineers look at one item and see what it accomplishes and is it cost effective planning takes all of those and says how do they interact and what are the spin-offs and what's the value of it uh the blitz is not the only part of the neighborhood revitalization that Bob works with and engages with with other folks there are groups and there are organizations that take the insides of the house but the goal is not to help the most individual families uh the goal is to change the

[0:37:11] neighborhood so that every family in that neighborhood benefits the domino effect that he's talked about uh I know having walked the neighborhoods before and after the blitzes that in Rio Vista over here uh the neighborhood on the west side of Bryant when they did 48 houses a year and a half later the neighborhoods themselves generated to their citizens 140 well total 140 uh houses that were renovated in an area that very very few houses did anything neighbors did anything about their neighborhoods people are going in buying up decrepit properties and fixing them up and flipping them and it doesn't answer every issue it's not intended to when WT went down time after time to the city to the state of Texas to get the tax credits to build the 36 uh houses that are for low income rental in in Black although we did not meet any of the criteria of the application process although we were in an area that was very low regarded in terms of the selection process and even though there's a great deal of prejudice against dealing with individual houses they did not give St Angelo $4.5 million doar you're talking about dollars $4.5 million dollar uh to build those houses they gave it to us because we're part of a comprehensive program that doesn't take it item by item that puts all those things together and says what is the end result the 150 houses that have been done have generated from uh private investment and neighborhood involvement of citizens over 300 houses that have been improved and that does not stop the work that goes on continuing to work with the other things um in addition for

[0:39:16] instance roofs if you have a bad roof the rest of your house goes when it rains uh we also got a program that got from the health Foundation 100 $1,000 $100,000 coast of DC money to put on 50 new roofs that go along with it everything the electrical the uh Plumbing all these kinds of emergency things they all fit together to provide stuff that just absolutely transforms the neighborhood everybody ran for office except I think one person met with us and they were given this little handout here and he may or may not have read it but it talks about how neighborhoods Thrive and uh Revitalize themselves uh in the course of a number of years through the comprehensive and collaborative process in which the city of San Angelo has put in very very little dollars and now with the change in the blitz itself using almost all volunteers I think last two blitzes 70% of all the houses were done by WT churches uh that allows the people in the city to do things they don't have time for but that is their responsibility in the neighborhood uh centers in the parks in other kinds of infrastructure it gets you don't lose a dollar you gain hundreds of thousands of dollars in labor to continue to do the same things and I'd suggest you know also that U you got a minute Craig you bet you the um city of San Angelo spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to advertise who we are websites people that go to meetings that go out there and advertise themselves you can't pay for the kind of advertising that you get benefiting St Angelo when you get an award from the state when when the state of St Angelo you don't have a lobbyist down there but with Drew Derby and the citizens of San Angelo working lobbying down there for this program that is

[0:41:19] recognized Statewide as doing something nobody else is doing uh you ought to be looking for the fact that there's not going to any block grant money in a few more years and that you ought to be prepared to step up and pay a price of1 $200,000 for something that you're getting millions of dollars 1,200 Jobs $20 million plus in tax uh base increases uh you're not losing money on this sucker thank you sir I knew you had something to say Jerry comes forward state your name and you've got three to five it is what it is uh good morning Council gentle lady and staff my name is Jerry C now um back some years ago uh I was in a delegation that went down state to uh and uh we were on program down there for WT to explain neighborhood revitalization and how uh we got started with the Demolition of those homes H in those neighborhoods and up until that time people was asking us where is St Angelo and and uh Drew Derby had just got elected and uh nobody even knew where St Angelo was but once uh those programs was explained they and and done and they kind of kept up with it and I went back uh several more times especially with this delegation about these homes the tax credits people knew San Angelo they know about the programs that we have done and uh we're on The Cutting Edge of uh of some wonderful things here in San Angelo and the uh citizens of Texas has noticed that we won an award uh Bob Silas did for his work and uh what we're asking now is not very much it's not a big sacrifice it's just that uh some

[0:43:22] homes that uh was doing 100% uh reevaluation or reworking it's just uh a few less and we could use that money to go into the blitz for the sighting it's just sharing the money we came in and asked one time about uh getting half cent sales tax increased to cover that cost because it would be terrible actually you win an award that's uh known Statewide for the work that you've done with the Bliss and then the very next year it fold because the city won't support it that's not a very good look for St Angelo and uh I'm glad to see that uh you have we have some Forward Thinking men here and lady and uh thank you for supporting this program and we'll do what we do and we'll help you do what you do and we will support you and hope you'll support us thank you very much because we love St Angelo thank you Jerry who else state your name Tim and you've got three to five sir Tim Davenport herps from WT and I want to just tell you two things about experiences with these neighborhoods when I got to town here five and a half years ago I knew exactly where you could go if you wanted to find gangs and drugs it was very clear that you could go over to certain places within blackshire and find that this last year when Methodist health ministries came to town and they had a couple extra hours before they were going to meet with another board that I'm on they decided to go over and look in that area and see what the slums look like they went over and they couldn't find the slums and they came back and reported that it has transformed that neighborhood we are moving on to the next neighborhood now

[0:45:27] I took a friend of mine who grew up being dropped off by his mother at the apartments in Black Shear while she went out and partied he got bit by rats bit by bats he had to go through the dumpsters to find some food he cried when I took him through the neighborhood and he saw what a difference it had made I have friends in neighborhood and Community Development on the east coast and in Austin and they can't believe what we have done this is something that we should be proud of and we should continue funding thank you thank you sir anyone else this is your opportunity do we have any further discussion from Council Don let me restate my position I don't know how we got off on this but I totally support W and what you do 100% I am proud to represent that community and I'm not for for cutting $1 doll from what we're doing I like I said I guess it's a difference in philosophy I I believe exactly what you said we don't we don't have slums anymore and I realize it's because of this and because of the efforts and work that y'all done and I worked with y'all as as fire marshal so my point is I guess it's just a little bit different in philosophy and I would love to see see when we look at our half cent sales tax a portion of that money's going into these sort of things going into your organization to to help these people and that was my whole point is my point is I want the most bang for the buck and if y'all believe that that's where it is then I'll vote for it I represent y'all so I like I said I guess it was a little bit different in philosophy and and maybe I didn't make my point quite clear but I appreciate y'all sitting me straight anyway anybody else on Council want to help Don

[0:47:30] dig that hole any deeper I think he did a wonderful job no more Council discussion do I have any more discussion from the public then let's call for a vote uh the motion has been made it has been seged that we accept this as it has been proposed all those in favor please say I I any oppose Nay put a 60 on that one please ma'am yes ma'am this would be a pretty good time for a break it's almost 10:00 so let's take our 10-minute break that usually last 20 minutes it is 9:52 it is 10 minutes after 10 that means that our 10-minute break only lasted 15 minutes this time so we're ahead of the game let's call the meeting back to order and there's one housekeeping item that I forgot to mention this morning uh there is a West Texas Consortium going on today in Big Spring and it's a regional type thing we've got people from all over the region they're dealing with this Klein shell and they're dealing with housing and all the many different items and that's where Daniel is Daniel went to uh the meeting in in Big Spring uh Anthony Wilson is there as well so we felt that it was more important that we have a good representation at that CU these things affect all of us so Michael setting up here in Daniels and Big Spring that's where and I didn't have my mic on but anybody hear what I said uhhuh they usually turn everybody else's mics up and they turn mine down it's I don't need a microphone usually but anyway that's the situation let's move on now let's go back to number nine this is consideration of authorizing 214 premiums for health dental and post 65 health insurance as well as discussion regarding stoploss and vision rates and any related action and connection there to Miss Marley your own please ma'am good morning mayor and counsel um I am here today to discuss the insurance premiums for our next calendar year um obviously the rising costs of Health

[0:49:32] Care and um the Affordable Care Act are things that are on everybody's Minds these days and our employees and our retirees are no different um all of all of our contracts that we presently have uh with uh our insurance uh providers last one more year they will expire in December of 2014 the only exception to that is our stoploss care which we have a renewal each year and so today we'll be discussing that as well um next spring we'll be going out to bid for all new um carriers and so those those new policies will take effect then in 2015 um some more background if you recall we have the um Federal program the employee retiree reinsurance program that was through Health and Human Services and we did qualify for um two payments that came from them in a total of $343,000 of that money last last year to offset any increases that we um perceived last year for the premiums um that leaves us with a balance of a little over $201,000 that we'll be discussing today um as far as health insurance goes um based on our utilization this year and some of the mandatory plan changes that we have to make to stay in compliance with the Affordable Care Act we are looking at an increased cost of $36,250 um that increase we will will seek your authorization today to offset by $2,288 those Erp funds uh these are

[0:51:38] specific costs that that $21,000 could be used towards so if we do that then there would be an additional 159,000 that would' come up short from keeping the premiums going up in any way um I know when we talked about our pay raises this year we were really anxious to make sure sure that we didn't absorb all of a person's pay raise with the increases that we saw in insurance so our attempt has been to um keep the uh premiums at a zero cost increase if we can now some of the changes that we have to make um and I really want to thank my staff because um over the last two years we've been making little incremental changes to get ready for the Affordable Care Act things that have been very um obscure for most people to even recognize that we've made changes too but um this is one of the changes that we have to do next year and that one is to reduce our um out-of-pocket maximum in the low plan from $5,000 to$ 4350 um obviously when you do that it does create a larger liability for the plan because people will hit their out- of pocket quicker and therefore our costs to the plan would start faster um but again we have made all these little changes to where that's the only mandatory one that we have to do to be ready for the Affordable Care Act um the other changes that we are uh proposing this year in order to reduce the costs uh is to introduce a specialist co-pay across all plans most insurance companies these days you pay one co-pay to go see your primary care physician and a different co-pay if you have to see a specialist our plans don't presently have a co-pay for Specialists but um if we um opt to make that change the um specialist co-pay would be double what you pay to go see a primary care

[0:53:40] physician that will help offset some of the cost to the plan the other thing that we are recommending is to make the um emergency room copay match in all three plans um right now the um low plan pays $300 if you have an emergency room visit and if you are admitted to the hospital that is waved but um right now the medium and the high plans don't have that size of a copay it's less than that and so we are recommending that we make it the same across the board it's easier to administer that way and it also offsets the cost to the plan Lisa let me ask you real quick yes the ER copay is there a differ between me walking into the ER or me being taken to the ER on this C it's the same same it's the same either way yes sir those are all the changes for the health insurance what is the what's the price on the medium and high you said it goes lower from 300 what does it go down to 200 it yeah it's it's 200 uhhuh and then I think it's even 100 in the high plan it's up goes up by $100 in each plan 100 200 300 so so what's it going to go down to no so now it's going to be 300 across the board okay that's better okay on dental insurance um the provider that we have has uh reported a 9% premium increase is what they are going to charge us for the next year that represents $137 a month more for our single um employee the plan um the city obviously pays for the single single person's um coverage and so the total cost to the increase to our plan for the city's payment is $133,300 a year um obviously employees pay their own dependent coverage and that'll be on the next slide I'll show you what those are um if you recall when we and when we

[0:55:44] started offering the dental coverage to our retirees the um Council approved doing that but that the the retirees would pay their full cost the city doesn't offset that cost for their dental coverage so with that 9% increase that amounts to $162 per month that would be an increase to a single retiree coverage on the dental plan their um dependent coverage is also on another slide here so let me show you those these are the um increases the 9% increases for the dependent coverage um on the left it shows our current premiums based on what tier someone might be in and then if we fund it uh if we fund that 13,300 then the employees would continue to pay nothing at the single coverage rate and you see the um modest increases for the dependent coverage there these are the retiree rates excuse me the um the current prices are on the left those are 100% of the premiums for coverage in those tiers that retirees pay at the present time we have um 175 single retirees or or retirees who have elected single coverage and um you can see on the um 2014 side what those premiums will go up um based on this 9% increase our post 65 health insurance or um some people call it a Medicare Supplement Plan um they are predicting an increase of 1 .7% for 2014 um the city pays that entire cost for those um employees or those retirees that are in the post 65 single coverage so the cost for that is uh $8,000 for the next year if we don't fund that it would amount to a $3 per month increase for those uh post 65

[0:57:50] retirees the dependent rates obviously those would go up at $3 a month as well and on the next slide I have the premium so if you um today decide not to um approve this then their rates would be the the numbers that are on the right there so do you have a number on the post 65 how many how many people we have it's like a little over 200 people but 177 would be total you said no 175 of are the retirees that are under 65 under 65 so an additional 200 over 6 or over 6 right and the dependents as well go up the $3 a month on this one um our stop-loss insurance this again remember is the insurance when someone reaches the maximum that our our plan pays towards a claim the stoploss insurance kicks in and reimburses us for costs that exceed that deductible um we uh worked with them throughout the summer and when we were doing our uh bud this year we put in for a 10% what we expected it would come in at 10% that uh 10% turned out to be what was approved in our budget for this next year and when the uh renewal rates came in stoploss they come in late in the year because they want to have a as close to 12 months of history as possible to to uh look at how we've utilize the plan this year we've had one of the biggest years we've had in a long long time on people hitting stop loss and so um they came in at with their renewal rate much higher than 10% so we've negotiated it with the assistance of our consultant and um they got it down to 10% so we're not asking you today for any more funding for that that it just happens to be what we were able to get in our budget with the dollars that we already had so um I just wanted to give you that update on stoploss the deductible is not going to change it'll

[0:59:53] still be 150,000 so our plan is responsible to pay those bills without any reimbursement up to 150,000 and anything that is charged over 150,000 we reimbursed through the stop loss Lisa yes could you just take a moment and explain to us again what the Erp money is when it came into effect when we received the money and what it is to be used for just that portion of this please absolutely um the errp is early it stands for and what it the reason it was developed was because more and more employers were dropping retirees from their coverage and so they use that as an incentive for companies to offer Insurance to their retirees with this promise that there would be um refunds made to your plan or rein re reinsurance where it comes back to the plan and so the um the program I think they actually passed it into in 2010 and we applied for it we granted it it's a it's a it was a long process where um you have there's a threshold that has to be met you could only turn in claims that were greater than $155,000 but less than $9,000 and then they were going to reimburse a percentage of those claims and it but it was only on retirees who were retired and less than age 62 so didn't we originally receive o 331,000 yes 343,000 to3 MH so it's now at uh 2011 that's correct what did we use I refresh my memory on what we use the difference for sure we used the 142,000 last year we were going to have to raise our premiums last year by 142,000 and so we you all allowed us to use that that premium was on the current employees it was on everybody on everybody retirees as well absolutely we

[1:01:56] did not raise any premiums last year okay and so um we knew going in this year to keep it flat with no increase we'd have to come up with that 142 first to make up that difference and so that's where it comes in at the three 80 3 well let me see what's the number 360 yeah 360 288 thank you thank you but I didn't answer your question um about what you can use at for the government was really specific on um that it could could only be used for three reasons to offset the plan costs to offset the employer contributions to the plan or to offset the participants costs okay Lisa another question on that her funds so I know we have a balance of 21,000 is is there any more funds coming in this year or no that program has been finished um it uh they ran out of money they had a set set amount of money that was going to be used Nationwide for this program and all employers it was just a free-for-all you know first come first serve and so uh we were one of the first 12 um cities in Texas that actually were awarded the program um we had outstanding claims that we had turned in but they ran out of money before they could they got to them on the list so the 343 is all that we received uh Lisa you you said we were on the uh the final year of our contract that's correct how how long do we normally do those contracts for generally it's a three-year contract but it's up to negotiations when we go out to RFP okay and it's and and let me just be clear that those when we do go out to to bid on those it is merely um to um award the contract to that carrier it's generally it's not going to be a contract that we lock in a price that's

[1:03:59] good for three years because it doesn't really work that way with insurance because it's completely driven by the utilization of the plan and how many claims we have and if we have a a dreadful year with a lot of costs they're not going to lock themselves into a lower cost and lose money that it just doesn't work that way with insurance okay and and we in our cont we we've got it now where um we use Community that's correct okay can they not go to Shannon or they can go to Shannon there's just no coverage to go to Shannon um one of the ways that we um were able to keep the costs low for our our um plan for the health insurance or for the Self insurance plan was to um come up with a single plan provider and so the two hospitals in town um we work together to see who would give us the best deal and at the time I mean that's simplifying it a lot but um it was community that won that bid um the the difference in the savings was was significant and the council approved going with that now so now what happens is if a person wants to go to Shannon um they can go but there is no coverage through our plan okay they can't even go as an out of network really that's correct okay so if this money is all going to be used up this year do you anticipate a big jump and well it's hard to say and that's the that's you know I think we'll see a big jump just because of the way insurance goes I think we all see a jump because of the Affordable Care Act I think you know as that completely evolves we're going to see changes um that was sort of my mind thought in in this year's presentation is to let's try to keep it flat again we know we're going to get get hit next year when all of these things come in plus I think when we go out to bid next year I don't

[1:06:01] know what we'll get uh you know we were really fortunate to get a single plan provider this time around I don't know if we'll be that lucky next time it may be that you know we we can't negotiate that so um ideally I think employees are bracing for what the new plans will be and um my thought would be to try to keep it even ke this year let's just see what we can negotiate for next year Johnny Lisa I just wanted to add to uh uh you know Etna is our carrier now that's correct and I have heard I have visited with both hospitals uh administrators from both and they they're very much let me back up when is this contract over December 2014 okay uh sometime before then I think both hospitals are very much interested and and doing a a tag team you know and not just throw us all to one or the other and that and and I've heard this just recently where hey if you give us both a chance and I think we'll all be happy and we can be covered at both locations I think that that should be one of the uh one one of the uh contract negotiation points with with these guys or whoever you go with the next time around and so we can get a little little of both worlds right and and um Daniel and I have actually met with both of the hospitals recently and and trying to get those talks started to where we can try to work together in the next contract um there there's nuances that are included with that that make it difficult for both hospitals to participate in the same plan you know if we were to get like a Blue Cross let's say for instance to come in it would just be a major medical plan we wouldn't have um the good pricing that we have right now and so our self- Insurance Fund would get hit with a lot of higher prices for some of the procedures that are done and that's the beauty of us negotiating with

[1:08:03] the single hospital um if the two Hospital groups want to play together in the same sandbox we can make that happen but it will be up to them to to um be willing to do that when we start negotiations next year and make it more cost effective for us that's correct yes from my standpoint I would love to see both hospitals in the system yes and concerned right now about uh communities lost one surgeon's retiring and they lost another oh yes what are our what what are our retirees and our employees going to do if there's not a surgeon at Community well and and we do have Provisions that we can go through Etna to allow them to use doctors over at Shannon um we just don't get the same break on the pricing and so um when there are no providers in town uh that provide that service we what we've been doing is is telling employees that you have to stay I mean if you want to stay in network so that you get the best coverage then you need to go to a doctor that's in the plan um myself I drive to abene to see my specialist there's not one here in town and so you know you you have to make that choice are you going to pay for it out of pocket by going to Shannon or do you want to go out of town and stay in network and get coverage at a low co-pay I mean that's the cost you pay for for the coverage I really would hope that we fix that I do too I really hope we fix that that's that is so unfair to our employees anyone else well I I want to say I agree i' I've I've heard quite a few PE uh quite a few employees that were not happy with having to go to abalene or somewhere else and I I sympathize with them because I have to I have to go to Houston for for my specialist so I I hope we fix it I do too I'm looking forward to the negotiations next year I hope it will work Michael mayor it's a it's a little bit of a rabbit Trail but sometimes when we talk about budgets and Staffing and burdens we have a hard time putting our finger directly on what we call

[1:10:05] increased regulation but this is a this is a good good opportunity to point out that there's a s this Federal legislation has significantly increased the administrative burden that goes with uh running a plan and uh and we we are anticipating it's going to actually increase the costs also but in spite of uh that increased burden there has not been a corresponding increase in Staffing in HR and so I think we would uh suggest that we applaud their efforts and uh also keep in mind that anytime we create rules it we create a burden for somebody and in this case we're the victim of the rules true so thank you for your work well thank you Michael all right uh I still have a little bit further to go go ahead please is that all right Johnny yeah I would just yes before it's all said and done I'd like to get a breakdown of the $360,000 increase oh sure if you can sure and you may here I have it here um good news Vision no increase for 2014 it's a simple slide all right so um during the budget workshops this year um it was determined that there was 185,186 over expenditures um this became known as the rainy day fund um what staff is recommending and asking approval for is to utilize a portion of that uh rainy day fund in combination with the Erp fund to offset the proposed increases for the 2014 premiums and this is the breakdown of that cost that you were just asking for Johnny um after using the 2011 to 288 from Erp there leaves a shortfall of 18,300 so if you look at the total from the budgeted Revenue over expenditures that was

[1:12:10] 185,186 for the dental the 8,000 for the Post 65 um health insurance and that would leave 5,000 $41 in the um rainy day fund and that's that's supposed to take us all the way through 201 2014 I thought we'd already used parts of this rainy day fund no I worked 10 years to get it and we got to keep it two months yes sir I thought it was two minutes so but I still got 5,000 left that's right we didn't wipe it out entirely with our request um but we are asking approval from Council to use the balance of our Erp funding which is the 2011 288 and um to utilize 18,300 from the budgeted Revenue over expenditures to offset those premium increases that we've described today and also to approve the stop-loss renewal short I realize it's not much uh when you look at the retirees their increase amount of that $162 per month which is 13,300 a year and it's certainly not much but it's a lot if you're retired and I would like to see us cover that increase for our retirees we we don't do anything else for them we are recommending Inc you know this does cover their health insurance increase what it did not incre cover was the dental increase that's what I'm asking okay and so I did calculate it for you you're welcome um the 175 retirees that are in the single dental coverage that increase at $162 a month comes to $342 per year i000 Dwayne and there is money left to do that so that would be your call there went the rest of the r to day fund no

[1:14:12] you've got about $2,000 got $2,000 give or take we'll keep that proceed money if you 1600 we're going to talk about we're going to talk about this rainy day fund in this next budget cycle and we're going to get a rainy day fund that's going to hold for more than two months I just soon use the rest of it to take care of the dental okay I understand thank you let's give them every break we can okay Russell anything to get keep Russell happy yeah we got to keep Russell happy talk to us buddy tell us what you got thank you'all for having a low Podium I'm Russell Smith retired police chief uh I would support very much and I know all the retirees would that the it stay flat uh you know not many of them do not get cost living raises um and they're living on fixed income and anything you can do to help will help you know I've studied Insurance since we lost our Pharmacy and since we changed everything up and retirees started paying I'm very concerned and not I'm not talking about y'all now but I'm talking about health insurance and I'm talking about the way things are going so anything that you do here today to help the retirees we'd greatly appreciate um because we we all I don't know that any of us know exactly where this is all going we know we lost part of our Liberty our freedom to make our own decisions but everything I studied to reduce the cost that I talked to y'all about earlier none of it's included in that so we would appreciate it I'm not going to take a lot of time today thank y'all for helping us well as Nancy Pelosi said let's pass it and then we'll see what's in it and

[1:16:15] now we're now we're understanding what's in it Rodney one one question I have and I'm I'm for this on using this but I'm nervous that next year we're going to get hit hard hard and the only thing I would say is we might ought to look at keeping some of this money for next year and offset the biggest hit which is we know we're going to get hit hard next year it's going to be a lot higher than than going up a dollar something a month and I realize on a fixed budget that you know that can be a really big deal but I'm I'm I'm just nervous about next year and this we're not getting any more of this money this is it's gone right I I share your your worry um all I can tell you is that we will negotiate very very hard next year I mean I really would appreciate them it's staying flat that'll that'll mean that it stayed flat through the whole three years of this plan and and that's that's going a long way for our employees and our retirees that we've been able to do that I'll take your we will work diligently to to keep it at the very low you always do thank you do we have further Council discussion on this anyone else from the public want to weigh in on this I think then uh I'm going to ask for someone to move that we accept this I believe the I will move that we accept uh the presentation and for it to include covering the cost of the retirees the increase in their Dental which was the 13,300 additional dollars no second a dollar excuse me$ do3 67 no it's 3,000 something $3,000 it's a and you're talking about for the retirees the retirees in the single plan in the dental coverage yeah yes 3402 yes that's my motion and I move to make it Don yes Don's already second it sound like a motion has been made discussion has been has been had if there is no Johnny

[1:18:18] I just want one more and I'm I'm all for this but tell me again how you came up with the 10% increase on the health you guys already talked about it or stop loss I mean the stop loss you've already negotiated that well yes yes they well see we we have them as a provider we're still in our last year with our stoploss carrier and so they came back at us with a way too high of a renewal we guessed back in the summer that we could with the budget that we have we could you know sustain a 10% increase um so when they're they came back with a much higher um renewal rate for next year excuse me and so um we negotiated them down to 10% to match our budget that we had already established um if it if it had not happened then we'd be coming forward to you and saying part of this money we'd need to offset stop loss okay well it's said in stone that's retirees I know this is not what's it's not perfect but is it something we can live with do y'all agree with me that we need to get Shannon and Community both back in the system okay that's that needs to be done when this expires in 14 we need to get both hospitals back into this system all right motion has been made it has been seconded all those in favor as it was as the motion was made please say I I I any opposed Nay put a 60 on that one thank you Lis thank you let's move on now to number 10 which is a second public hearing consideration of adopting an ordinance relating to the city of St Angelo's application of existing policies regarding commercial property development moratorium and related matters an ordinance of the city of San Angelo adopting commercial property development moratorium in accordance with state law upon public hearing and insurance of written findings to expire 90 days after the date the moratorium is adopted including but not limited to approval of new applications for

[1:20:20] commercial property development relating to mobile homes manufactured housing parks recre ational Vehicle Parks providing for a sever severability Clause providing an effective date brother Fleming I believe this was your deal do you want to we pretty well worked this over last time you want to go ahead and move move that we accept this as percentage second okay we do have a motion to approve as as presented with a second any further discussion from Council on this do we have any discussion from the public on the moratorium as we discussed last meeting if not I'll call for the vote all in favor say I I any opposed nay well Johnny's gone put a 5 On It that'll take care of that one let's go on to number 11 number 11 is the first public hearing consideration of an introducing an ordinance amending chapter 12 exhibit a zoning ordinance code of ordinance the city of St Angelo z337 skg engineering and ordinance amending chapter 12 exhibit a of the code of ordinances city of St Angelo which set exhibit a of chapter 12 adopts zoning regulations use districts and the in map in accordance with a comprehensive plan by changing the zoning and classification of the following property to wit 17 West 8th Street located approximately 200 ft west of the intersection of West 8th Street and North chadburn this property specifically occupies the miles Edition block 23 lot 5 in north central Stan Angelo changing the zoning classification from two family residential rs2 to General commercial CG providing for severe ability providing a penalty Kevin boy you are own sir thank you so much I'm trying to locate the presentation actually oh okay sorry may have may have included it here I apologize make that last from the six o Alicia Johnny said I

[1:22:25] was present 5 then you too late buddy it passed we didn't put you down as a name even though we've got the microphone in the back I me the not microphone speaker Five O carries Ain't No Deal okay I apologize and so this is for which uh which case I'm I'm sorry uh this is uh the going from Resident rs2 to General commercial CG okay 17 West 8 17 west8 okay all right well the S property is located um a block North of the Houston heart Expressway and approximately 200 ft west of North chap Street and uh North Central Angelo um the two dominant zoning types in area is two family residential rs2 and uh General commercial heavy commercial cgc um the property is relatively small it is uh it measures 50 ft wide and 100 ft long um it's also zone for two family residential rs2 um on the immediately the immediate block there uh to the east is heavy commercial and to the West is office commercial as you can see um with the area the property is uh currently vacant and there are quite a bit of vacant properties Residential Properties in the area uh the long range Vision plan calls for commercial which is compatible with The General commercial that's being proposed um here is a notification map the properties that are identified as the ones are in favor of this request um looking East of West uh a street is the commercial Corridor of North chaper

[1:24:31] Street and some of these other pictures include more into the uh block there where the Residential Properties are this is the subject property which currently serves as a vacant lot as I mentioned and looking North to the site uh planning staff does recommend approval of this request if you have any questions I can answer at this time Johnny is this yours or Don is this yours I think it's mine I think I'm not sure it's right on the bo it's probably right on the line I think it's probably yours you want to take this one sir uh I drove by it I don't really have any any problem with it I I uh I think the the whole area right through there's moving toward commercial a whole lot more than residential Kevin do you have any idea what's going in here has there been any type of business uh there was some discussion of potentially placing offices there on the site but it's pretty open they haven't solidified a particular um use and they asked for CG instead of an NG yes or neighborhood commerci in what is it neighborhood commercial NC yeah yes sir that is along the access road yes MH that's correct Kevin there were no uh opponents I mean proponents that's correct only we only received I believe there were 11 notifications and we only received one in favor for this request none opposed not opposed Don you want to make a motion either way sir uh I move for acceptance approval as presented I'll second we do have a motion to approve this will be going from rs2 to family residential to a CG District General commercial any other further comment from Council do we have anyone in the audience either proponent or opponent to this would like to speak if not I'll call for the vote all those in favor say I I I any oppose nay

[1:26:34] nay okay we've got a 51 on this one let's move on now then to number 11 no number 12 first public hearing consideration of introducing an ordinance authorizing abandonment of public streets and rideways in the Fairview Edition block 6667 and 74 North Central s Angelo an ordinance providing for the abandonment inclosing unimproved streets and Alley segments to wit an 80ft wide portion of the unimproved public rideway for Florence Street extending approximately 680t northward from Hughes and immediately south of the railroad rideway to include portions of the 100t rideway of Hughes street and approximately 100 by 270t portion of unimproved public rideway of Velma and a 20x 430 alley rideway in block 66 and 67 and 20t by 35 ft alley rideway in Block 74 of the Fairview Edition and North Central St Angelo authorizing conveyance thereof to the abing property owners providing for the terms and conditions of Abandonment conveyance and providing for the mayor to execute and deliver a quick came deed to the attributing property owners this is yours is it not Johnny no that one's mine too this is yours as well all right Kevin all righty well the second case involves an abandonment of uh three Street rways you have uh Hugh Street pors of Hugh Street go closer here portion of hu Street um Florence Street that runs uh north to south and Velma Street we also have segments of Aly um uh proposed abandonments for uh the fair fair viiew Edition for Block 66 67 and a small sliver here on for Block uh 74 for there here is a anaro um describing the area much of the joining properties here belong to the Southwest Orient uh properties with the railroad company

[1:28:36] there so um just shows just an imagery of the existing water sewer lines um I did not have any uh photographs but it's generally um off of a h Street where it's mostly industrial um H Street is identifi as a collector Street it's a four-way road so if you have any questions at this time I can answer those for you Kevin can you go back two three slides I'll tell you where is this that property we were talking about yesterday Marty one more one more with a sand plan right there okay okay and it's all of which being un unimproved okay when when we um abandon a property um is that do we give it away do we sell it do we just we we do go through a purchasing uh process with that uh we look at the fair market value and then um do some calculations but they have to purchase uh you know the um amount that is uh stated in the quick clean deed okay who would profit from this um we we found that it wasn't beneficial for the city to continue to maintain maintain and so um because Southwest Orient properties they own uh adjacent lands throughout they would uh gain most of the land here um with this abandonment so the railroad would profit right fluger yeah Le come up talk to this pleas sir be the railroad um I bought I'm Lee fluger with Southwest Orient properties the railroad goes on the east side of this property and the west side of this property and hsfi used to use this to offload their

[1:30:39] their steel forever and ever and ever um the uh so it would it would be a private company that I what I did I bought the I bought everything adjacent to the railroad that the state of Texas didn't own and this little 3 Acre sliver was between the two railroads and so it's just heavy manufacturing on both sides these roads don't go through um there's never been roads there has it no there's never roads there it's it's just a big vacant lot basically what it is I was going to say it doesn't look there's too much City Maintenance going on those roads and the everything everything to the east of this has been abandoned all the roads to the east have been abandoned the roads to the South have been abandoned and from where my property is and you see the the old feed yard those streets have been abandoned and of course you can't go across the railroad tracks either way but I didn't want that to think the railroad was going to go that way cuz the the railroad tracks are owned by the state of Texas and they're under lease to uh a Mexican rail company okay okay Don you want to make a no I'll move for approval Lee so why does it say Southwest orent property LLC owner that's that's my that's my Corporation so you're not part of the railroad no I'm not part of the railroad okay I mean that's just the name of the company that I established whenever I bought the adjacent lands to the railroads thank you sir done I I move for approval anybody want to Second it second we do have a motion we do have a second any further discussion councel do we have anyone else from the public either opponent or proponent for this that wish to speak at this time if not I'll call for the vote all in favor say I I I any oppose Nay

[1:32:43] put a 60 on that one please ma'am we are now down to number 13 which is first public hearing consideration of introducing an ordinance authorizing abandonment of public streets and RightWay in the miles Edition block 32 in north central s Angelo an ordinance providing for the abandonment closing of the following alley to wit approximately 20 foot wide 490t long portion of alley running east to west perpendicular to Martin Luther King located in Block 32 of the miles Edition North Central San Angelo authorizing the conveyance thereof to the abing property owners providing for terms and conditions of Abandonment and conveyance providing for the mayor to execute and deliver a quick claim deed to the abing property owners you going to handle this one too Kevin absolutely take offer all right this property is uh roughly a a block and a half um north of the Houston heart Expressway as you see here um it is a block 32 of the miles Edition uh the alley proposed abandonment is uh roughly 20 ft uh wide and 490 ft long it runs east to west um and the current zoning is two family resid rs2 and with the are areal uh you can see that um the car car Carver school um complex uh occupies the block um the similar to the previous request the alley is unimproved and haven't been fully utilized quite some time um there's actually some enclosure a fence enclosure to to the Western portion of the block here I me also some uh uh vegetation there just is looking East along the proposed abandonment and looking West and we are recommend approval subject to some conditions and if you have any questions I can answer that at this

[1:34:45] time water Provisions okay it's just one condition and basically because there is sewer and water lines the alley that we are um recommending a reservation of a 20 um the entire stret there to be open and uninstructed um for maintenance and improvements in the future Don this still yours yes I just have a question not the immediate last one that we looked at but the one I voted naon where is it in conun with this um that one is further east it's not too far from North Bell Street so it's roughly 1500 ft west of North Bale Street B Street um the the other abandonment about the 17 The Zone Street you're about two blocks away Char yeah right I'm sorry I'm sorry I thought I apologize for that yeah this is Ninth Street and the other one's 8th Street wasn't it Kevin yes so it's right the same area go to commercial the other one went to commercial this one just an abandonment this is just an abandonment what you think about it Don I I move for approval I can't believe that when they built the school and theyve had that thing there long enough for oak trees to be 30 ft tall so I mean to me it's just kind of a technicality anyway right but Kevin did I understand you right now they have to purchase they have to purchase that land well in the quick claim deed there is a set amount um that they will be required to pay in order for us to relinquish okay okay thank you yes so does that is that going to sisd or who's it going to um because they own all the lots to the south and north of the the alley yes sir it would go to them well the money would come from them they would yeah come from them did did Don receive a second not yet no second okay we do have a motion

[1:36:48] we do have a second any further discussion Council opponents and proponents from the public if not I'll call for the motion call for the vote the motion has been made and seconded that we approve this as presented all in favor say I I any oppose Nay put a 60 on that one too please ma'am all right we've already done 14 we're back to Bob Solace number 15 public hearing consideration of approving the 212 Consolidated annual performance and evaluation report Caper and authorizing staff to send caper to HUD and any related action there too brother Salis you are own sir you it okay does anyone else Charlotte needs about five minutes everybody else want to take five huh we have let's keep going going go ahead Bob okay uh mayor council um the Caper is an annual HUD requirement that is due the end of December it does require a public hearing uh it covers the program year uh from October the 1st um 2011 to September 30th uh 2012 it report outlines expenditures identifies accomplishments and IT addresses uh key interest items uh the report is comprehensive and it covers a variety of issues such as resources barriers to affordable housing and Le based pain just to name a few I don't cover all those that's in the report uh here's a snapshot of the year's resources uh we received a little over 737,000 of cwg funds and over 290,000 in home funds and we spent 771 th000 in cdbg and 319 in home funds uh expenditures uh do include prior year funds so there's always a little bit more expenditure than than amount available

[1:38:50] so uh here's a list of our accomplishment ments for the year uh we completed uh 14 major rehabs and 50 emergency repair projects expending over 215 in these two programs uh we funded one code officer uh who worked over 3,900 cases in the Target neighborhoods uh we funded ASU to carry out the rental mediation service and they were able to help uh 14 renters with housing issues uh Helping Hands assisted 33 elderly homeowners uh we remitted the annual section 108 loan payment for 151k that's for producers Park and for Real Vista Park uh we assisted 18 firsttime home buyers with down payment and closing calls to buy their new homes uh we provided rental assistance to 33 special needs clients and in our case special needs is uh MHMR and Galilee uh CDC they constructed three new homes using home funds uh here's a list of our non-grant funded accomplishments uh it includes the 32 homes that we sided and painted through the city's neighborhood Blitz over in blackshire this year uh 29 homes were insulated through the admin weather isation program uh we provided Gap financing for seven home buyers through the Development Corporation fs and sales tax uh we worked nine cases of inent cremation for the county and we completed 59 roofs funded by the Development Corporation and the health Foundation uh we advertise the Caper through ads in the newspaper and on City's website uh we made hard copies available at key locations throughout the city uh for them to review and we're asking Council to approve the uh report as required so we can forward to hood Council

[1:40:53] just have one question I thought the roof repair program had gone away uh we had uh we've had two roof programs so one two years ago and then one just recently uh and we just completed that so it's still alive and well it's well it it's it depends on on Grant funds uh we have to go out if we want to continue this year we'll have to apply again and uh which is they won't let us they won't let us apply until we finish we just finished so we have to wait till uh we will resubmit so you went to the uh Health foundation and who else and the uh Coosa DC oh okay the problem with COA DC there's no more there's no more affordable housing uh fund balance to support it so and and the health Foundation does require matching funds I'm not sure where we're going to get the matching funds okay it's something I have to work through okay so we may not we may not have it this year I'm Mas all the time about that program Zone yes sir and uh we we it's a it's a great program we love it uh citizens love it uh it's just it's just funding it's always a problem Bob I've had a couple of calls in the last couple of weeks and you spoke about these MHMR group homes uh I've had calls from two of them where MHMR group homes were going in in neighborhoods is there any special zoning required for this is there any criteria uh actually uh what I think that's a different uh different uh program what we do is we we provide rental assistance for them to go into existing rental apartments and we pay the rent until they get to Section 8 that's what this program is uh I I can't answer that question I'll have to defer to the planning folks okay all right that was my only question Charlotte well um when Carl Booker went off of County Commissioners he had pleaded with you as well as me I believe to see what we could do about these group homes in residental neighborhoods checking with the state

[1:42:57] checking uh with Equal Housing um there is nothing absolutely nothing to keep them out of residential neighborhoods they're learning to adjust and to live on their own and this is the way that it's done well that's what I told both of them that call me it's just a fact of life yeah anyone want to make a move on this either way I'll move for approval of this item as presented anybody want to Second it I'll second anybody want to say anything else about it back back to your issue uh the Fire Marshall and the health department both inspect those facilities but there's there's no zoning they're just a family home how about cap I'm sure but capacity of individuals in the house that may be an issue right there's no more than four bedrooms no more than so if they meet that criteria I think they're they're okay they're fine well the next one it calls then I'll know what to tell them right do we have any public comment on this either way the motion has been made that we accept the caper as presented it has been seconded all in favor say I I any oppose nay thank you put SE so on that one please ma'am and we are now to number 16 this is Scott Ferris we may need you it's consideration of authorizing staff to negotiate the purchase of a fire engine via buyboard purchasing Co-op from Hall Motors a for dealer authorizing additional equipment purchases from other vendors and a total combined amount not to exceed $46,000 authorizing the city manager to execute said contract and any related documents brother Ferris you own sir yes sir uh we are proposing at this time to uh B the buyboard purchase to replace engine number six which is out on 44th Street uh that truck is 18 years old at this present uh our goal is to replace those trucks and put them into a reserve status at the 15-year Mark and we're already 3 years past that so we're starting to see a bunch of maintenance issues with that

[1:44:59] vehicle uh the breaks have went down on it more than 10 times in the last two years uh and we just see an increase in in maintenance issues with that certain vehicle so we would like to replace that vehicle and this is something that we planned for we budgeted for because we we have a CPI in effect that we can replace these fire trucks at so the money is there yes sir money is there okay yes sir anybody want to make a motion on this either way well the horses were getting old yes they were the feed was getting high in the water I'll move approval I'll second okay I'm going to take Rodney's second on that got the approv got the motion from Marty is there any further Council discussion Johnny this is a brand new brand new truck yes sir it's not used no sir you do reuse some of the tools and those sort of things existing the amount of money that we're asking here will not replace everything that's on that truck so we'll take some of the stuff that we can replace from the old truck and put them on to the new we're just replacing the stuff that gets old the hose that's on top of it it starts to wear it gets old so we'll replace those items right so do have a motion do have a second any further Council discussion what do you what do you do excuse me I'm sorry what do you do with the old truck the old truck will be put into a reserve status so that when one does break down we'll have one to get into uh now this vehicle we'll have to do an analysis and we'll have have to compare it to the oldest truck that we have that we would be moving off the fleet and auctioning off we'll have to compare and look at where the maintenance issues are with our oldest truck versus the maintenance issues with this truck because it might be better for us to keep one of those older trucks and to get rid of this the ones that's causing us a lot of problems but that'll be an analysis problem we'll have to we'll have to dig into and see which way is the best for us to go I think I personally think he'll ought to sell it to the mayor I think he'd look good driving around town well I I really think that you ought to use this one on just on circumstances that don't require breaks oh yes definitely definitely where do you house your reserve Vehicles we have we have them at the fire stations we we have the the four bays

[1:47:02] and usually there's a fire truck and an amulance in each one of them so we'll house those Reserve units I think right now we have three Reserve units okay my my point to the question for him is they are as economical as they can and reusing as much as they can off the older trucks sir definitely further discussion public discussion motion has been made that we allow the 460,000 expenditure not to exceed 460 yes to buy a new fir truck to replace one that has no brakes anybody or take the vote on this all in favor say I I anyone opposing nay this one does pass okay we have cons followup and administrative issues thank you Scott number 17 consideration of and possible action on matters discussed in executive Clos session we'll handle that and a little while we have not gone into executive so we'll come back on number 17 number 18 is consideration of approving a board nomination by Council and designated council members Zoning Board of Adjustment John Hayden smd2 to a first term January 15 anybody want to make motion to either approve or deny John Hayden motion to approve second we do have a motion to approve and a second any further discussion Council any discussion from the public motion has been made we approve John Hayden all in favor say I I any oppos nay let's move on to number N I guess we can figure out we can work on these when we come back after executive so we will do 19 and 20 after we come back from executive so let me read the legal comments for executive and we will move into executive and then we've got three or four items to deal with so it's probably going to take an hour and a half or so and then when we come back we'll finish it up executive Clos session executive session under the revision of government code Title 5 open government ethics subtitle a open government chapter 551 open meeting sub chapter D exceptions to

[1:49:04] requirements at meetings be open under the following sections first point section 551 0712 to consult with its attorney on a matter in which the duty of the attorney to the governmental body under the Texas disciplinary rules of professional conduct of the State Bar of Texas clearly conflicts with this chapter section 551 072 to deliberate the purchase exchange lease or value of real property regarding recreational Agricultural and grazing laces and Airport matfield property section 55174 A1 to deliberate the evaluation and duties of the city manager section 55187 to discuss and offer of financial or other incentives to hfield Energy Systems LLC with whom the city of Sen Angelo is conducting Economic Development negotiations and which the city of St Angelo seeks to have locate stay or expand in s Angelo it is 11:12 and they'll take us into executive it is 12:58 let's reconvene our meeting uh consideration number 17 of and possible action on matters discussed in executive Clos session if needed there was nothing that we' talked about in executive that we need any action on or any vote there was no no action taken so that one is gone we have already taken care of number 18 we're down to number 19 which is announcements and consideration of future agenda items do we have any future Charlie yes possibly um the um hold on anybody else want to go first I'll go thank you done uh can I get an update date on when we're going to be talking about our Capital outlay priorities and half cent sales tax items and the stuff I asked about last go

[1:51:08] around yes you can you get one sometime or right now sometime in the near future can I get it yes sir we'll work on that we we were hoping to start that uh ABS since sales tax discussion since you brought it up with a start with you in a private meeting okay where we can make sure that we were kind of moving things in the direction you had in mind okay and then follow up with a a presentation at Council either in regular session or possibly a work session I know that uh Miss farmer talked about the possibility of a work session to discuss multiple Financial financially oriented items but and I I think that would be be great kill two birds with one stone maybe two yes sir what we'd like is to get that information to you so that you got time to think about it so that when you have the uh goal setting uh session with Daniel that you're uh equipped to give direction okay yes and I would like to talk about uh the pros and cons of possibly um add adding a line item to our blue book report uh I I think it's important for us to see the previous year where we are today compared to the previous year in each of those line items and I I don't think it would be too much to plug in the previous year or even previous two years in those reports um if could be could be a significant proba if we could have the information if Morgan somebody could bring it back is if it's a programing uh just the pros and cons of how useful it is and how hard it would be and what it would cost to change it maybe not uh we we will discuss okay you bet they got you Rodney Marty I have not not at this time well I usually

[1:53:12] depend on uh win toour I'll take your motion I'll second all in favor say I I this this meeting is now adjourned 102 was

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