San Angelo City Council Strategic Planning Workshop Feb. 26, 2013

[0:00:00] call the meeting to order and uh start off this morning with prayer and let me see if I can reverse order on this stuff and and uh let Mr hfield lead us in prayer Mr Morrison lead us in the American pledge and Mr Alexander lead us in the Texas pledge most gracious and loving father we give you thanks for the many blessings that you bestow upon us every single day we thank you for this great country we thank you for all the people for their our military that serves for us please be with every one of us each one of us as we're trying to do your business here have open minds Open Hearts and open ears in your holy name we pray amen am amen I pledge Alle flag United States America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all the Texas flag i al toex one state God indivisible my whooping cushion oh who got that one it's me it's not me in case we have two items on the consent agenda uh resolution authorizing the sitter manager to execute a Texas department of rural Affairs cont concerning the neighborhood stabilization program and the second Hearing in consideration of adopting an ordinance on the general election and special election May the 11th have any questions on do I have any questions on that or can I get a motion to approve second okay I have a motion in a second to approve call for that vote all those in favor

[0:02:01] please say I I I and then at this point then um let me take us into this work session I'm I'm going to read some of this just so it's on the on the recording all matters listed under the work session agenda are presented for discussion and future planning purposes only no administrative or regulatory action will be taken by the council public comment will not be accepted during the work session agenda uh let's move forward then with item number three which is the presentation discussion and consideration of the city of s Angelo strategic Plan update for 2013 and at this point I'm going to turn the meeting over completely to Valenzuela and be a participant and he can ill lead the session thank you mayor um what I wanted to start off first with is uh to discuss kind of what we'll be doing today kind of give an overview and I want want to start off with first of all with what our goals for the strategic planning workshop uh Workshop Workshop going to be I'm sorry um what we want to do is is establish of course of strategic objectives and priorities for this coming fiscal year which would be 2013 2014 uh reason behind that of course is we want to make sure that uh once we start the budget process which is up coming this coming month actually that uh we're all on the same page as far as what we feel that needs to be we need to set the monies aside for that way when we get to the point of discussing discussing the uh the budget and planning for the budget we have already done the initial step which is a strategic planning making sure that we are uh setting aside the monies necessary to uh complete our objectives uh we uh want to also make sure that we establish our priorities for the capital Improvement uh projects uh Morgan trainer will be up here shortly to kind of do a presentation on some of those uh Capital Improvement projects that have been submitted uh what we want to do of course is prioritize uh we do have um limited funds so we want to make sure

[0:04:02] that we address those projects that we feel will make the best and biggest impact for the community uh not this not just this coming year but also prioritize up to the next five years um number two as far as introduction to strategic planning process what I want to do Charlotte can you hear me okay yes you do okay great the uh what we're doing as far as a direct approach to planning typically what you want to do is schedule a 3-day maybe 4-day workshop with council members it's very rare that that's a possibility so typic so I came up with a different way of doing it to make sure that we can actually complete our planning you going have to really use your mic because the audience can't hear you okay so in order again as I mentioned um in order for um us to make sure that we complete and as thorough as possible with our planning U I did come up with a different approach that would allow us to actually to do this thing on in one day and um I'll talk as far as how we'll do the swallet analysis later on as far as the department directors so again the direct approach to planning is basically U sitting down with council members making sure that we understand what your objectives your priorities are you know in the coming year uh and then from there we'll move toward uh establishing the U the action steps and also the performance measurements the um again uh with a direct approach basically what we need is the objectives and directives from the city council uh we will be looking at the project priorities uh we'll we'll get your the city council's uh priorities when it comes to certain projects we also have the department directors available to answer any questions or to share the projects that they feel are most important for their departments or their functional area um then what we'll be doing after we have this meeting and we do our brainstorm and we come up with those objectives um uh The Next Step will be for the directors the department directors to come together and the different supervisors and what we'll be doing is taking those objectives and

[0:06:07] doing our SWAT anal SWAT analysis based on the 10-step Strategic mapping process that uh I've created and you'll see an attachment of that in the U in the following Pages basically what this is is a very simplified version of doing a strategic planning um the process itself uh which allows you to address the strengths the weaknesses the opportunities and threats uh that we'd be facing on any of the objectives or directives that the city council may give us and especially to help us establish as I mentioned a while ago those action steps that'll get us there you know that'll get us uh help us to realize the objectives that'll be set today uh once uh those action steps are created uh the next step for us will be also to establish the performance measurements how do we determine whether we meeting with success or not on these objectives that were established by the city council members again and the reason I do it in a in a two-phase process is basically again U it gives me a wonderful opportunity it gives us a wonderful opportunity to hear from the council members to hear from you uh the specific objectives excuse me the specific objectives that you have and then allows the the directors and the supervisors and teams to come together and uh create the actions necessary uh establish a plan in in the actions and also the performance measurements necessary um to realize the objectives so again it's kind of a two-phase approach today is the first phase the second phase will be when I meet with the directors and the supervisors and we actually start establishing the uh the work necessary to get us to the uh the final product of the objectives you guys will create today um moving on to U the capital Improvement plan Morgan trainer uh will be coming up I'll call her up in just a little bit the capital Improvement plan of course she discussed a little bit about uh what we discover discovered from the public meetings we had recently we had two public meetings and uh the community came out we had citizens that that came

[0:08:09] forward and uh and discussed what they felt were their priorities in certain areas of concern that they've had Morgan will kind of discuss that a little bit more in detail in just a little bit also in approaching the capital Improvement plan instead of throwing all the projects together what I had asked the finance department uh to do is to actually create different levels uh for the capital Improvement plan the first level being the infrastructure priorities um I know that for every Community you're going to have infrastructure that has to be addressed on a yearly basis um for example streets the streets U we should have a plan in place that will allow us to make sure that we have either reconstructed or maintain all our streets within a 7 to eight year period but in order for us to do that we need to make sure that we're allocating monies on a year-by-year basis and we're saying we've done our our study to determine which streets need to be worked on this year we're going to work on these streets these will be reconstructed and these will be maintained whether it's through a seal code process uh what have you um we know that there's a certain number of streets that will be done and we also need to make sure that we understand that in order for us to reach our objective as far as having these streets done in a seven or eight year period then we need to make sure that we allocate those monies on a yearly basis and it's not just but infrastructure of course includes our water lines it includes uh drainage it includes uh you know sewer there's a lot of different issues that that we'd have to prioritize and say regardless of what happens we need to make sure that we are allocating the Monies to work on this on these infrastructure improvements it can be the the first level items infrastructure uh improvements it can be items that we'd say well this year we don't have money you know we're going to kind of hold off on this we're going to have to find a way uh to be creative to make sure that we do have those monies available to address those top priorities and make sure that we are working on these uh on the streets for example second level will be those projects that are submitted by the

[0:10:10] directors and by the city council members these are projects that we'd like to have done within the next 5 years these projects are considered also priorities uh at the second level and um again it it'll take a lot of planning where the first level are are projects that we need to commit Monies to every year the second level is those extra monies that we may have left that will allow us to address certain projects um and what we'll do is address those and uh prioritize to determine exactly which ones we'll be working on the fifth the third level are those projects that uh would be worked on outside of 5 years and we do have a list of over 70 projects that the directors did submit in that area and these are projects that U would really help improve the city but they're not really deemed a priority at this point it's not something that we necessarily have to do immediately so those are the three different levels with that said uh for more specific information on the capital Improvement plan I'd like to invite Miss Morgan trainer up here to do her presentation also good morning good morning what I have before you as Mr valence wha stated is a list of each project uh first a reminder of uh what we had from our public meetings we talked about this um at the last city council meeting but just a slight refresher that when we had the public forums with uh we had a great turnout by the citizens and um the items that were requested as as priorities were uh Fairmont Cemetery phase one improvements uh Martin Luther King Boulevard improvements uh police building and other support for the police division um again uh Fort Concho historic preservation uh Bell Street reconstruction and maintenance with an overarching uh statement about Street reconstruction and maintenance and uh largely the same information at the second

[0:12:14] meeting so what I'll go through with you is um Bullet by Bullet each project that's been in the draft that that we prepared back in December and so this is just uh to provide some more information I'll spend a a brief amount of time on each project um to make it really clear I tried to make it where at a glance you could tell if the project was funded so down here at the bottom you'll see check mark in green means it's funded x mark in red means it's not funded that way as we go through these many many projects it's easy to see at a glance and there's a legend there at the bottom um as we go through these the first item the first of course first we'll talk about first level as as Mr valence wha stated um we have infrastructure so these are items uh in the water department um streets and um Wastewater and storm water so uh that's largely what's in the infrastructure level so uh twin buts ecosystem restoration um that of course that item is funded this is of course uh maintenance that we need to do at um the twin butes uh with brush control and things like that to preserve our our surface water so that there is ample uh water supply from that Source uh the second item there is replace school zone and crosswalk equipment that's funded uh by a fee that you pay on your vehicle registration that is um a responsibility of the city to make sure that school zone and crosswalk equipment is safe uh uh for for people in vehicles and people uh pedestrians and children uh storm water quality improvements that's uh funded Through Your Storm Water fee that we have levied um that's a $30 million project so is that money we have on hand right now no is it money we have budgeted right now no that's many many years of receiving that storm water fee uh to address quality issues in uh as mandated for storm water the next item is a very specific storm water quality issue the sunset Lake improvements that's funded um with the current fee and that's uh one project of the many

[0:14:16] needed for storm water quality remediation of drainage at West Avenue P at Bryant uh recall that we funded that in the 2012 budget there is some remaining funding needed to uh to finish out that project but largely moving towards uh completing that project uh next uh you'll see our first Red X unfunded project is our street reconstruction I noted there that that's really multiple projects and I do have a list of those um that we can go over in more depth but as a placeholder certainly for infrastructure Street reconstruction our next item is the seal coat program recall that this is maintenance necessary to improve the life of of our streets and this is what Mr Valen I think speaks to when he says we need a 7-year rotation of seal coat that's not funded uh next Mill and overlay of 14th Street from chadburn to Maine uh recall that that's something that we funded in the 2012 uh fiscal year uh Mill and overlay from 19th Street uh from Bryant to cono River and recall these are improvements being made to the streets to extend extend the life of those um and Mill and overlay from Maine uh from Houston heart to 19th Street Morgan if I may also um I do want to let the council M know that as far as the the streets uh the street improvements um that uh we'll perform a study to determine which streets at this point um are at at a level that they just need to be maintained so that they won't get uh they won't become in worse shape one of the problems with with delaying any type of maintenance program is uh if um we have streets that deter passive maintenance point then we end up paying about five times more what we would would have for maintenance alone so part of the the the program that I'm talking about will allow us to do both reconstruction and seal coats at the same time on a yearly basis addressing those streets specifically that need maintenance so that they won't deteriorate and be become a bigger problem in the future but also having that list of streets that need to be reconstructed um I have uh met with

[0:16:21] Clinton Bailey and we've discussed as far as that study and how that's going to be performed as far as determining which streets will be worked on that way we can come up with a list of streets on a yearly basis in case of a citizen calls and is concerned about the street on their you know as far as the street in front of their house we can actually look up when that's going to be scheduled for maintenance or when it's going to be scheduled for reconstruction so again that's a study that um uh again I've been working with Clinton to make sure we get done so that we do have a solid U listing of streets over a seven-year period thanks we're going I have a quick question at one time I saw on the the multiple projects Street reconstru reconstruction I can't talk this morning there was a list of 55 streets with $155 million price tag is that still in place or we correct we do still have that list and I'll be glad to to go to skip to that section um what what we've prepared and what Mr Valen waya kind of talked about was first level and so that's infrastructure second level which is other and third level which is items for further than out than 5 years um without this this study that Mr Valenzuela is talking about we um don't have a a really solid list of what needs to be done in in fiscal year 14 15 Etc so I do have that list available would you like to pull it up at this time or keep just okay yes we do absolutely have that list available yes sir so next we'll start moving into some more um water projects the Avenue D water line replacement that that is funded through the water bill uh water fees that are paid uh Water Reclamation plant improvements um funded uh these are improvements necessary at the uh wastewater treatment plant to keep that uh facility up and running and and continued for uh full use uh water treatment plant improvements again the same kind of improvements just necessary at the Water Treatment Plant High service Pump Station Rehabilitation uh that's necessary to keep our our water supply and in good working order uh lift station improvements of course addressing the the 20 putt plus lift stations around town uh that are necessary so that uh the Wastewater

[0:18:23] system continues using uh working uninterrupted the automated meter reading system is funded of course this is going in and replacing old meters with the with the digital uh type for more accurate readings uh clay pipe replacement uh recall that clay pipe was was used for many years in San Angelo and it's very brittle and shifts and and and causes a lot of failure so we're uh slowly going in and replacing those clay pipes again uh all the projects on this screen are also funded cuz they're through the water and uh Wastewater fees collector Replacements again necessary to keep the the water supply flowing throughout the town um transmission line valves replacement uh recall that we must have those those valves uh working in in working order and and maintained and improved and and tested regularly so that if we do have a a water leak we can go in and shut it down um transmission Mains again funded uh these are the large Mains that that are uh built throughout the city to transmit the water uh to users a waste Water Service to existing developed areas uh this is also funded this is for um areas in town that are still on septic tank and so this is extending the Wastewater Service uh to those C citizens they um when we get to that when you look at that individual project page there are about five or six neighborhoods listed there uh that are due to be put on Wastewater Service uh water main Replacements again uh that is funded Hickory water supply development phase one funded of course through the uh Texas water development board uh low interest loan the nasworthy dam emergency Spillway that is funded um that's something that uh we need to make improvements to to be in compliance uh with tcq regulations uh Lake nasworthy gate operators of course uh it's a very similar thing it's just uh to make sure that we're we're maintaining that water source as is needed and nasworthy Dam stop log system again those three items are are are uh having to do with having

[0:20:27] our Lake ASW worthy provided a water supply as is mandated by the state so that's the end of our infrastructure so that's our level one things that Mr Valenzuela was talking about then we'll get into other projects so these are projects that are uh scheduled for the next 5 years the 2013 through 18 time period however they um are not infrastructure so that you'll see items in here like like parks and and stuff like that so first the cono River dredging Bank stab iation and trails improvements recall that that project has has made large strides towards completing and is funded uh the second item there is uh the Emergency Operations Center HVAC replacement that is not funded and that's something that's needed to keep that building operational and keep the tenants in that building uh up and running uh public information equipment replacement this is um digital cameras servers um things that are needed for our public information Department to do their job also not funded uh Fort Concho Barra 6 new floor the floor that's in there is not um historically accurate and is not um the the safest floor and so we need to make some improvements there uh that item is not funded uh heating and cooling unit Replacements at Fort Concho recall that uh by and large most buildings at Fort Kono are not um having central air and heat and so this would put that in again that's not funded that would help uh sustain the usability of those buildings and increase rentals at that facility uh the last item on this slide is the Fort Concho post Band Stand um historically there was a um an area there in the middle of the yard that uh building that we have lost and so this would put that back in place again that is not funded uh more items for Fort Concho uh The Visitor Center restoration improvements this of course is where Fort Concho has their main offices um and that building has not had um a rehabilitation or improvements in in many years and needs to uh to be more useful uh the for cono officers quarters

[0:22:29] one rear room and roof repairs um this is a building that we're really in danger of having some major issues to the rear room I believe is falling off of the building and um and the roof needs some um major repairs to to keep that building functional to keep that that history there okay Morgan Morgan there's a couple of things about this one that I want to point out one is that I think there's an item that's not on there that should be uh that we should be thinking about with Capital Improvement plan dollars at Fort Concho uh and that's related to our events are very successful at the Fort related Christmas at Fort Concho and um the pioneer days kind of event the you reacting the reactors and all that stuff but but what what I think we could be doing a lot better is a daily visit when there is not someone hosting you and so we you know we have the visitor center part which is okay uh but when you walk through that fort on your own that's not a special experience and there's there are things that we could do with virtual uh presentations uh that would be much better than and would allow us really to do something with tourism uh so you know so there could be a Buffalo Soldier there could be there could be a Talking Mule telling you what life was like as a as an army mule in 1873 I mean whatever you want it to be but but we need to be thinking through that and that ought to be part of the discussion uh while we're talking about projects the other thing is those Fort Concho projects all of them uh based on what we the decisions we're making as a council on uh the flat rate to Providers or to recipients of the hotel motel tax these become project s that you you know that we could look at as Council for

[0:24:32] onetime uh use of those hotel motel tax dollars to to take a tourism uh attraction and upgrade some of the infrastructure uh and so that this is the kind of thing where we could get this funded where it's unfunded now you could get this funded uh via that vehicle that we just talked about in a council meeting related to the the uh the use of hotel motel tax dollarss so okay so but anyway so while you're on Fort cono I wanted to bring up those two things yes sir next we have the chase State Office Building improvements there is are a variety of improvements needed there for example there's carpet in places where it's become unsafe um the sprinkler system needs to be maintained as it's leaking um and HVAC improvements need to be made there to um to keep that building in working order and to keep the tenants um to keep it in compliance with our lease with the tenants uh water billing and customer service office remodeling uh recall that that building has been really put together peace meal and um to make it more usable to the citizens and offer a greater Service uh we would need to make some uh repairs to that building uh Fire Station Number Four reconstruction uh this is the uh next fire station that that needs to be reconstructed this will um it we have a um a good plan from our fire chief about how to do that but recall that it's not funded all these projects I've gone over so far that are in red there are are not funded and then the F which building is number four where is it at it's Avenue L Training Center okay or Paint Rock Road right there um then the fire training facility um of course we did recently uh receive that grant that would um largely help the fire training facility get moved off the river there um but it it would require a um a sizable contribution uh from another funding source to fully fund it and um and get that project started so but that one remember is sort of underway with the fee structure that we put in place as

[0:26:34] far as the funding source for the other sure so it is somewhat funded then uh Auditorium renovation that item is funded uh for improvements to be made to the um the City Auditorium there inside of City Hall uh to make it more usable and to uh allow us to have uh greater uh events come there um that is funded through the type B sales tax so that's why that item is is funded uh the fairgrounds livestock Barn again also uh funded through the type B sales tax and that is uh largely complete I believe Morgan I have a quick question before you move on yes sir the water billing and customer service office is that really worth remodeling I mean I thought we'd get a new building I mean that thing is uh Mr Silver you're right the question of whether or not to remodel or completely reconstruct is one that has not been answered yet uh the preliminary studies done last year suggested that the costs were very close to one another and uh it will be a question of priority and goals for that facility um to make the determination whether to rebuild or or uh renovate I did have an opportunity of course to tour that building I need some uh some immediate improvements especially for our staff that works there you know I think certain areas I think it'd be rather depressing to work at because you're more like in in a basement and the the ceilings are actually pretty low so um that's actually a really good question because I looked at the building too and thought why remodel this thing you know this is I mean that's um it needs a lot of work you know so sometimes it's best just to start from scratch so it reminds me of the police headquarters oh yeah we'll get to that so yeah absolutely the next unfunded project is um Coliseum improvements recall that that building needs a new roof among other things and so that's a sizable project oh sorry coliseum roof Rehabilitation is my next project so uh several items needed there to preserve

[0:28:36] um that facility and keep it in working order so we can continue to to enjoy that um Convention Center improvements while this building was uh remodeled several years ago it does need some improvements to um to continue off offer the service that it it was crafted for um Santa Fe train depot improvements um that is a historic building that needs uh roof repairs uh among other things and so that's why it's included here but again it's not funded uh spur parking garage renovation and repair of we we've had some discussion about that that build that that parking garage is uh largely unusable uh because of the uh the the damage and disrepair that has occurred there and so to uh to to make that parking structure functional and usable by uh downtown visitors it would need um substantial renovation and repair and again not funded the next item there is 29th Street complex renovation that's marked as funded uh through future uh type B sales tax receipts that will be uh that is one of the projects on the the ballot that the voters have approved uh the community Aquatics facility it's still on there it's it there's some uh punch list items still necessary to complete um the municipal pool as as it was and so that is funded and and almost complete um then last item there is not funded it's air conditioning at recreation centers recall that our two recreation centers do not have um central air conditioning and so they're uh large uh difficult to use in the summer uh certainly we are using them uh but it would uh certainly improve the uh service offer to the citizens if air conditioning was installed at those units yesterday they did they had AC yesterday um here on the next slide uh the first item there is the Ed soccer complex at Glenna that's funded uh again through the type B sales tax so uh making some improvements there to to continue the use of that facility uh next I as we've talked about the police department administration building uh that item is not funded and and and it speaks for itself that improvements need

[0:30:38] to be made there to uh to so our police officers can continue to to do the do their job uh the next item is a boat storage dock for the mobile oh sorry this is two items uh boat storage dock is one and uh mobile command center storage facility is is two so these are facilities the police uh dep department needs to uh to use their boat for the lake Patrol and to properly store their uh mobile command center so that the um the the the value of that build uh that vehicle is not lost and and and is stored properly um next here I have uh Bradford neighborhood Park neighborhood and school Park uh that is funded through type B sales tax uh brenwood neighborhood Park renovation that is funded through type B sales tax uh Brown neighborhood Park renovation also funded through type B sales tax and so uh those items kind of speak for themselves um so I'll move on to the central control irrigation this is something that is going to save um employee time quite a bit uh reduce overtime um improve uh water conservation and improve the um the amenities that we have in in our Park system so that is also funded uh by type B sales tax the next item we have is the hilltop Trail at Lake nasworthy uh this is fun not funded I'm sorry this is a mistake uh there were proposed funding sources talked about in in the capital Improvement plan uh for example uh fundraising grants um things like that but not uh not anything nailed down yet so my mistake this should be in red with an X that it is not funded um the civic league park additional improvements recall that when we um uh finished out that facility there was supposed to be a fourth Basin for the water lily collection um and so that will would get this done and it's partially funded um would need uh some contribution to finish out that project the third item there is one we've talked about today the Fairmont Cemetery phase one improvements of course um we did

[0:32:42] have a constituency come to the public forms and speak to those items and uh and speak in favor of them they're not funded and this would uh for example put in a columbarium for Ashen remains and um improve the um the the M the main gateway and entrance so that it's safe to come in and out of that major thoroughfare there that it's on Avenue N and um and make the improvements there to uh continue the life of of that historic facility the next item there is Middle Concho Park um main boat ramp improvements again it's not funded it's um there have been some discussion about uh potential funding sources that were listed on the project page but it would need um an influx of funds to to make those improvements and we've talked about that during um I believe the parks master plan discussion that it was something that need to be done it is not funded or it is not funded not there there's a grant pending and any day now we'll find out end of this month end of this month we'll find out it's about a $500,000 Grant we're anticipating that it will that's why it's that's why we're anticipating it I mean that's should be marked non-funded but we anticipate that the funds will come in very positive uh the re Royal trail that is largely funded by um a um a transportation Grant uh there is a local match required but I believe that has been identified and we're moving forward with that project and so that will use that that natural R riverbed as a as a as a Trailway um with some parks and some um amenities there so that citizens have a large safe place uh to walk and um bike and Etc the last item on on this slide is the Rio Vista neighborhood park renov a that's funded and has been underway for some time it's it's it's largely complete and so that project is uh moving quite along uh next item there is the Rio Concho community park and Texas Bank Sports Complex again this is not funded and and we did do some recent

[0:34:44] improvements of course to that Texas Bank Sports Complex but there are things necessary that have been requested by um by citizens and by Council to to make that building uh and that facility everything that we had originally planned uh the Santa Rita neighborhood uh Park renovation that item is funded through the type B sales tax partially there will be a hopefully a an influx of funds from homeowners association yes so uh we're still working through those details but we'll have that project scheduled out as the the funding becomes finalized uh the South Kono Park uh main boat ramp improvements a little different than the middle cono bark uh main boat ramp improvements but again something talked about during um uh the parks master plan and uh again this was a a misunderstanding on the sheet it is not funded um but there were potential funding sources identified so uh we'll work through that um the next item there is the sunken garden park and sculpture garden that item is not funded uh that area at Avenue D would need some um improvements to continue offering um the necessary amen amenities to the citizens as it was originally planned uh then our next item is way finding phases 1 through three um this is uh something that that we've talked about potentially being funded through Hotel occupancy tax to help visitors and and tourists and people new to town to be able to find their way around easily to U the great amenities that we do have available to those individuals and so uh some research being done on that and some some hopeful outcome on that but currently it is not funded then uh the neighborhood pedestrian Improvement program this is largely putting in sidewalks uh throughout the city and so recall that our our practice has been to fund that Lar as we reconstruct a street we'll go ahead and put in the sidewalks at the same time um at that however at that rate it's not going to address uh this project um very aggressively so uh and it's not funded so an item there for consideration then uh the sign reflectivity upgrade uh recall that we

[0:36:47] had a federal mandate uh we're working through this uh as we can we have about $50,000 every year um to make sure that the that the All City street signs um Direct signs everything has the appropriate retro reflectivity um that's an ongoing process because once we get everything replaced with appropriate reflectivity uh of course that reflectivity decreases over years and has to be replaced again so it's an ongoing thing um and it's funded to to a degree it certainly could use an influx of funds to uh more appropriately address that issue what's our deadline for completing isn't there a federal mandate that that signage be compl complies by a certain date says 15 2015 I'm hearing okay and we're on track this gets us kind of there until yesterday yeah right now we're looking for the signs and uh when we get them back we'll know whether we're in compliance or not gotta are you talking about the green street signs versus the old white and black or is that it it's not just that it's every sign railroad signs any sign you see that's on the street has to have some degree of reflectivity uh next is fires mobile uh data terminals this is uh this may sound like buying a new computer it's not it's it's a large amount necessary to keep the um ambulance and fire trucks uh with the necessary equipment um to uh communicate mobile with the dispatch and and all Rel relevant people that is not funded uh next we have server upgrades uh we're funding this as we can we have about $10,000 a year we're setting aside um it's it's getting us by um but we're um I would say we're barely making it on that we if we had some catastrophic something happen where all our servers crash we would need an influx of funding we have to purchase the IBM

[0:38:49] power 7 server uh that's a sizable amount outside regular server upgrades this is an additional server uh necessary to keep all City fun fun up and going then uh Communications technology upgrade this is something necessary for our um uh Public Safety communications center or our 911 area uh these are technologies that are necessary to keep them up and going and that is not funded um and then uh server upgrades as a whole sorry that must be something I have that on there twice I'll have to look at that to see exactly what that is and that's a large that's our level one and our level two that that Mr Valena spoke about so of course level one we went over was our infrastructure level two was all other I do have um kind of a rough draft of what level three would look like if it's your if it's your pleasure to go through that as well I just uh I told Morgan for now what I want to do is make sure we discuss levels of one and two again level five is just those projects that we deemed outside of 5 year range so um just for the sake of time at this point that'll be I mean unless y'all want to see them be okay okay within five years okay thank you Morgan appreciate it what I wanted to do just make sure that we discussed each one of the the projects so I think that you're pretty familiar with all of them anyway but uh just want refresh your memory too because these are still projects that uh need to be funded uh quite a few of them still need to be funded and as we move forward and discuss here on item five here a little little bit later on just want to make sure that was fresh in your mind so we start looking at objectives and what it is that you'd like to accomplish in the the coming year even within the next five years you have that fresh in your mind also what I want to do now is go to item number four I see Michael's already up drawing Capital Improvement I mean the revenue increase planning um first of all of course there's been a lot of talk as far as the impact of the of the clein

[0:40:52] shell and what that's going to mean to our area I don't know we have to for a workshop no we do okay I'll let Michael finish his drawing that you brought your crayons from home luckily there were no lies to restrict me m program yes okay here's the whoopy cushion um again what I want to do is address also Revenue increase planning uh the impact of the cin shell uh has been discussed and I know that we had a gy when that came in to our por planes meeting uh last uh couple of weeks ago uh Mr Tom or Dr Tom tungo and he um works for UTSA he did a very thorough study of the impact of the uh the shell as far as Eagle for Sher in South Texas and he covered a uh the the section that I took notes on was he covered a 20 20 County area and uh it's incredible as far as the impact that they've experienced just in 2011 in Eagle Fort shell in those 20 counties they realize a $25 billion economic impact they're projecting that within the next s years that number will be up to $90 billion for those 20 counties the reason I bring that up of course is the Klein shell is the the projections for the Klein shell are actually supposed to be a little bit better than that uh so we have an indication of what that may mean to our area also with the uh the eagle Fort shell the they're anticipating also within the next seven years that uh the the shell itself will have created over 117,000 new jobs in that area and that's in the 20 County area so again you can start looking at what that may mean to our area when you compare that to the client shell and what the client shell may may do I also want to point out that our sales tax revenues um are hiden hidden record highs uh just from the previous year we're up about 12% on hot

[0:42:57] occupancy tax we're up about 37% also so we are anticipating that um the the sales and so forth are continue increasing homes for the F very first time top $200 million uh this past year also so uh with that said we know that we're still going to continue see an influx of those revenues um this coming year and the years to come also what Michael did is he went up there and kind of Drew a quick graph uh the bottom portion of the red portion is is of course U on a yearly basis the city does experience some type of an inflation inflationary Factor so uh as far as revenues uh that we would anticipate coming in as far as the extras would come in some of it of course go to cover some of those INF infl inflationary factors but then there's that green area in between that incremental increase that we'll also be realizing uh initially we may not see that big of an increase um but as the years go on we'll start seeing that probably a b bigger increase as far as the that that interval there so with that said I just wanted to make sure that we started addressing what that's going to mean I know that we've talked a little bit about the r Moet spe tax and possibly what we could do with those extra monies but one thing that we want to make sure that we do as as we continue to to grow in our revenues we don't want to grow in revenues and say aha you know we're growing in revenues now we have you know we can start spending more money government uh can start growing again we can start I don't want government to grow I want to make sure that we're as efficient as we possibly can be and any extra monies that come in will be will be to address any specific project that we feel um is necessary for the viability of the future of our community so I want to make sure again that uh as those monies come in that we actually do have those set aside that we are going to be using them for specific projects um again I just wanted to present that rather quickly and I know that youall are very familiar with this but also to talk about the property tax what that

[0:44:59] may mean with our property taxes we know that the values will start going up we're already seeing it um and I'm a little bit worried about that of course I still have to buy my my house here but um again those property values will go up um that means that of course um as far as the property tax the city has been working diligently the past several years to decrease the tax rate and um that's something that still is a a priority for the city council for my understanding of course is that we want continue decreasing the tax rate um what this is going to afford is of course the property tax values going up it'll kind of offset even um even bring in even extra revenues regardless of how much we're dropping the tax rate um sales tax revenues of course um as more people are coming into our community uh more spending especially for positions that are paying more money we're going to see that 12% that uh we realized this past year um that is something that we anticipate will continue if not at a higher level um the same thing with room occupancy tax um you know the hotels at this point will be filling up uh we know that that uh we've seen a an increase this past year about 37% that's a tremendous increase what I wanted to do is just kind of mention that and kind of get your thoughts and your opinions as far as how we should AC um treat that extra revenues that will be coming in well you I mean you I think you stated it reasonably well that there's been an ongoing effort uh to do some things with the property tax rate and uh what I you know the council has made a bunch of decisions over the last couple of years that have set the stage so when you look at what's been done with user fees that has been an effort by Council to take things that were being subsidized by the property tax rate uh and setting them up to pay for themselves more directly well that that effort then sets the table to be able to

[0:47:02] reduce the property tax rate um if you if you look at uh your your general uh characterization I think was accurate for what has been done the last couple of years uh where you said the council uh the idea that you would use extra monies for one-time expenditures we have dramatic needs uh and and and huge needs as it relates to streets and Street updates and Street repair we have a police uh building that needs to be uh modernized or replaced and replaced is much more likely because it's constrained spacewise you know built when the city was much smaller than it is today for a force that was much smaller than it is today so you have a a police headquarters building that need needs attention you have streets that need attention you know we've learned through the storm water process the last few years you have a lot of underground storage underground storm water infrastructure that needs some some uh replacement and so forth uh you know there's a tax source for that in the storm water taxes but but still that's something to be looked at and the characterization was right um if we took the hotel motel tax uh that is growing fairly dramatically and if we give a flat rate flat not rate but flat number flat amount uh per year to some of the recipients of that U and um I think some of the smaller ones may stay on a percentage basis but the larger ones where it would really be impactful uh would go to a flat fee or a flat rate uh that is that is negotiated that will leave dollars that then when you saw that list on the the next five years those things at the Coliseum the wayf finding signage uh the fort cono items any of those things that are truly

[0:49:07] tourism based become uh very good U projects for that onetime money uh to be spent on and that way if you're in a boom bust cycle for instance you don't grow uh your your number of positions dramatically you don't grow your payroll dramatically and then you're in a position where as things slow down you're having to lay people off or cut you know cut benefits or do serious uh hard things but instead you've you've paid for things that even if it slowed down they would have continued um impact positive impact on the community cuz the Coliseum is as good as it needs to be the convention center and signage out and everything is exactly what it ought to be the police department has been upgraded the streets have been upgraded the you know so I think you're right that the idea that we would we would spend the money that we anticipate uh can come with a with a big influx of of economic activity we we'd like to see it thought of as let's just have slow steady growth related to population related to inflation those kinds of things uh as it relates to the size of government but then use those dollars to take care of streets that haven't been able to be taken care of for some years so the list is big and expensive and so you got infrastructure needs that all of a sudden that extra funding ought to be focused against and we ought to make some real Headway on some of this at the same time I go back to that tax rate when you look at the tax rate uh you know when they started it was um it was 80 oh must it was around 8 87 cents uh okay 8683 when they started they had a 10-year plan to try to take a penny off per year so that in 2015 they would be

[0:51:10] at 7683 we're currently at 7810 uh but with what's been done uh on user fees and some of the other things that we've done as a council and if you take a look at U oh what's the um Mr DNE the uh related to like U utilities and stuff the the fee that we increase the franchise fee you know we've raised the franchise fee we've raised user fees we've we've done some things that are tax increases uh with with partly the idea that we would be able to buy a reduction in the property tax rate and quit subsidizing things with property taxes so so bear in mind it's at 7810 now the go goal is to get to 7683 by 2015 but we ought to be able to blow by that but for the things that we have done uh with these franchise fees with the user taxes uh user fees cities the size of San Angelo cities of 50,000 or more uh right now we've gone from being the second highest rate to being the fourth highest rate so this this uh work that's been done is moving you down uh some but the median rate for cities over 50,000 is 58.2 cents half of the cities in the state are below 58.2 cents of property tax per $100 valuation half of the cities in the state at 50,000 or above 58.2 cents and we're at 78 uh cents so I mean we're still pretty far above the median in the state for cities our size uh but and and to give you in my mind the idea that would be a good goal is to get out of the top 10 just keep working at least until you're not amongst the most expensive rates in in the state for economic development and uh things of that nature uh that that should be something you're focused on rette is behind us at 74.7 cents so we are now in fourth fifth places rette

[0:53:16] they're at 74.7 we're at 78.1 I'd be looking at that as the next goal get under those guys get out of the top five what and Ken is at 74.3 Brownfield is at Brownsville is at 70.1 abene is at 69.3 a good goal for the next few years would be to get under 70 cents uh to to reach a point where you're you're more competitive with these people and and so uh that's something that I hope we keep in mind you've done the things to raise taxes in certain areas uh to do things in a more Equitable way and so so there's an opportunity to reduce the property tax rate and economic development would would ask for that anyway so you I agree with your characterization of how to grow the government uh keep it keep it on a slow steady path use these for one-time expenditures on infrastructure uh use these extra dollars and then I'm just giving you a bunch of the data related to the property tax uh and the system and the things folks had been working on here for gosh six five six seven years now and that there's an opportunity for us with economic growth to maybe buy that down faster so okay that's my input I'm sure there's a bunch of other I do I did want to point out also that as far as capital Improvement uh uh projects um you total them all up as far as the amount that we would need to achieve you know our goals for all the capital Improvement project at this point we need about 450 $450 million um Marin you're right on the money especially when um we start seeing the extra monies come in I know that right now we talk about and I'll go back to streets uh reconstructing reconstructing streets is an expensive um it's expensive work um we can of course allocate the monies right now as those revenues are going up to the Reconstruction of those streets after it's all said and done you know seven years down the road all we'll be having

[0:55:17] to do is really budget for just maintenance and you start looking at no longer having to set buies aside for reconstruction but just maintenance and that uh brings our expenditures down by 1 compared to actual reconstruction reconstruction of streets you know so I would was just just to continue on alivan's thread I like I like what he said um we have shifted our user fees up to charge the user uh the fee that that we're incurring you know the cost we're incurring but it only works if we lower the tax rate and it looks like we're going to be able to do that I heard you say some good things here Alvin and one of them that I really appreciate is the you look at the tax rate is falling much faster than it has in the past not a half cent per year but I'm thinking two cents a year or something like that and and the way the client shell ramps up it ramps up something like times three per year I mean it's a very fast ramp up so we can do this more quickly but two years from now maybe we can take a bigger step and we maybe can reach those goals I like what you're saying um uh I like what you're saying about Street construction there's one thing we're missing I think that we have to put into this equation these oil booms thin out your city staff they thin out your law enforcement fire protection um at a moment a a firet truck driver can go to the oil field and make more money they won't have the pension maybe but they'll but they make more money and so then when you want to hire somebody to bring them into San Angelo like this person can't find a house at a reasonable price rents are through the roof so they can't move here they say well you're not paying us enough this is not worth it so they don't make the move to San Angelo and we're still thin on our forces well right now is not the time to be thin on police forces for example when we know the crime rate is going to go up because I just call it hoopla right now it's it's a it's the new element coming into the town maybe and uh might cause problems well we know we're going to

[0:57:19] increase in population and just as a rough guess I know we need about six new officers next year just to keep up with the population increase well cost $65,000 to train one officer takes 11 months to train an officer so we need to start now uh it's going to cost a little money and uh to keep our forces here our employees here in St Angelo we're going have to compete better with abene and Midland on pay scales we' fallen behind we're at like 75% is that right right and I would and I would especially draw attention to compression compression you words well you can you but I I would keep especially keep an eye on compression with the work that I did last year getting into the budget and when you look at our ability to attract new people our starting wages are are you know may have to change because the market changes okay but where we were our starting wages we were getting plenty of applications so and we were hiring enough people to go into the class so that tells you that your starting wage must be competitive again as as as the market changes and you have other people trying to get those people maybe that has to change but the wages above the starting wage definitely are where we fall behind so the compression issue is what I think is I think we lose people after they've been here three or four years and so you haven't you know you got them you trained them you had them for two years and now you lose them so I think those wages that are for people that have been here two years and 5 years are wages that you really need to be Focus they explain the compression problem I've seen this in the fire department and the police department a uh officer or firefighter if they let's see there's ranks and there's um they they increase in their um it's not a rank is it it's a rank so you increase your rank you get a $150 pay increase but the the amount of responsibility you take on is quite a bit higher so there's really not a

[0:59:22] reason to try to increase your rank and that's called compression you got to be able to pay the officers and firefighters more to make it worth their time to take on the more responsibilities to increase responsibilities and so we have a problem in both forces that we need to solve okay I have a comment and you'll have pressure on the size of I mean I think you'll have pressure on some of your other departments the thing that management has to do is decide you know you don't grow an organization across the board you grow an organization where there's stress and need on the organization and so you know you're making the point that it could be fire and police particularly Public Safety because of the increase in population and then that may put pressure on streets and bridges and so you may have to do something it will in that area but that doesn't mean you necessarily need more people in it uh or you that's where I'm saying you know you need to you need to not just let things grow but do things in a targeted rifled basis that we grow where we think we should grow yeah exactly I think go ahead I would like to ask how the rest of you feel about looking at this uh influx of anticipated more funds and taxes uh look at it a little bit different last few days I've have plenty of greeting time uh I found a demographic area of growth up that was done in 2004 the city had U need a needs analysis done and at that time a 125 mile radius of San Angelo it gave a population of 750,000 people that contributed to our Center of buying and whatnot and in that in 2004 the population for S Angelo was 88,500 and they anticipated in 2010 or 2014 our projected population would be

[1:01:30] 92460 now didn't haven't we already exceeded that in this last Senses at 98,000 and some odd and I was going to ask Michael the possibility of uh could you do an analysis of some actual money based on this this professional analysis is City paid and hired to be done but the anticipated based on the population now but the actual income dollars in that same radius would be to give us an idea of better how much dollars we're actually closer to dealing with and in that that I would like to see for me I I feel more comfortable dealing with and making suggestions but also in the last couple weeks having time to just think um I know that I wanted to see money put in the court and and also in a savings of rainy day fund but something came to light in all of the reading and uh had a little piece of correspondence from a chief Vasquez and we've always pushed a police department facility aside they but you know the bottom of the bucket and there's never any money left and I really would like to see some priorities at a onetime shop Improvement in using these monies if we could get a handle on how much it would be per year in acquiring and building a new police facility and then deal if there's any left or not left or how we would come up with the difference that kind deprived in leaning uh as well as what we need for water infrastructure around town and that includes our roads and of course there's not going to be enough for all of it but I I had moved my priority to the police department as being to me a real need a second that and and let me say the the police officers every time I walk up to a police officer and say we want to replace your facility they say well we need pay raises more than we need a new facility I said well one's a capital expense and one is a yearly one you know one's fixed one's variable or it does the two don't go together and

[1:03:35] um they really do need a facility so they can operate if if we do increase in population as Charlotte is talking about that'll be busting into the seams and what I heard from Charlotte some she something she said I think we need to make as an objective is that we have very accurate population information and projections I would say updated qu quarterly and present it to the city council so that we can understand what's happening to us so that Tim can hire a new police officers things we can forecast our expenses and cost and and get moving and be ahead of the curve well and part of this plan back to what both of you are saying recognize that we did go down the path we did hire an architect firm we did make a run at preparing for a police facility uh but then sticker shock is BAS basically what happened and the fact that you couldn't do what you were asked to do sidetracked the whole thing so one of the things that needs to be done is basically revisiting the issue uh with not a kind of open slate what would we like to do but a budget constrained here's what we can afford how do we how do we get this thing done for this type of number uh and give different direction read visit it go from there but you know it was some 30 million 30 that type of number and we're going to have to revisit that and do something that gets that number down and whether that means buying a building and renovating it you know it get come up that there are two large buildings in town that are uh have not that are not in use and maybe they need to be looked at uh so you talk about the Kmart building and you talk about the Albertson's building on borgard Sherwood Way so maybe that's a way you drive that cost down but I agree with you both of you that that facility needs to be replaced uh that it's a real problem I also think it's well this is this is the first time that we've had a a a real

[1:05:37] source of of money other than what we currently have to deal with to move forward on this facility but one of the one of the steps needs to be going back to the process and saying look we we went through the process it gave us a result we could we couldn't honor and so let's let's cause the process to start or be Revisited with the goal of a result that we can honor is all I'm describing and there's one more thing I want to add we need to recognize we've hit a critical point with land values and building cost and values uh we're going to be paying more for that land and more for that building right now we've waited too bad we did we need to get moving on it let's make a decision and move one way or another and purchase the land if we're going to build purchase the building if we're going to renovate it even if we hold it for a year waiting doesn't make sense sense in terms of cost um what I want to point out is that actually we're actually moving into item number five which is the City Council planning and direction of priorities so what you'll notice of course is U we'll have Michael will be up there and he'll uh be writing down some of the objectives and uh the thoughts and ideas that that you that uh will come up I know that right now it may be random and but anything that you feel at this point is something is really important that we address let's put those down and that way we can actually come up with a priority uh schedule here in just a little bit but uh so far it's a great start uh there are definitely some needs we knew about the police department uh we knew about the initial study that had been done and how much the cost is going to be so we want to do everything we possibly can to maximize the Mone is the the incremental or the increase that we'll see in our revenues but uh again we start off discussing already uh some of the issues that they've already written down of course is reduce the property tax rate uh address the streets a new police facility storm water infrastructure onetime tourism projects uh that's again through the increase in our in our room occupancy tax um and retain and manage the Staffing you know based on the population and projected

[1:07:39] growth uh actually projective growth now is is off because we're going to grow quite a bit more than was initially anticipated so we need to be really prepared for that uh any other thoughts as far as I know that yes before we move to the priorities I think you had go ahead Mr Morris I want to speak to that reducing property tax rate in the last six or seven years we have reduced it almost a dime and that is almost $3 million that we have reduced because one cent is about $300,000 but the mayor made the statement that we have reduced property rates and then we have increased franchise rates we have increased storm water rates the storm water at $2.7 million a year is equal to 9 cents on our property rate so we've given 3 million back then we came with the storm water and we put 2.7 million back on we increased franchise fees so we take off of the tax and then we come back on the backside and we add fees we had franchise fees we had storm fees we had permit fees we have ambulance fees and if anyone in this world thinks that we're still not paying for those fees then we're wrong but because every time you buy groceries or gasoline or an automobile or a shirt you are paying for the storm water fees that these businesses have to pay these citizens may get it off on the front side but they're still paying for these fees on the back side the same way with with franchise fees we may reduce it a half cent on the sales tax but when we put it back on the utilities on the water on the gas on the television on the telephone these companies are not absorbing these franchise fees they put it into the price of their product and our citizens are still paying it so I agree with the property tax rate decreases I think it ought to be reduced I'd like to see it come down another 20 cents but if every time we give a penny off we come back on the backside with a fee and add a penny and a half the

[1:09:43] taxpayer is still in the hole and that's exactly what we have done in the last six years we give tax rate decreases and we turn around on the back door and hit them with fees and the public is actually in wor shape now than they were when we started it so I just wanted to make that make that clear when you add when you increase a franchise you're not taking away from the cost that it cost a citizen to live in San Angelo you're just putting it in a different pocket franchise fees still have to be paid storm water fees still have to be paid and businesses are not absorbing these additional amounts so let's give the property tax rates but let's be let's be honest about this let's not give it on one hand and take it away on the other um my perspective is very similar to yours with one fairly major exception see I think you had to you have to fund your needs along the way so you can't in the way I see it uh Mr Morrison you can't reduce the tax rate and then go take care of the user fees what we've done is we have set the table to be able to reduce the tax rate and so I would characterize it very similar to you in some ways that that you have raised some user fees you do have new taxes in place and it does allow you to reduce the the property tax rate so I agree with you completely there I just don't think you could have done it much differently you have to get ready and then now the problem would be if we don't reduce the property tax rate now now what we've done is set the table and then not followed through on the promise and so what we need to do now is get that property tax rate down and I sure agree with you on that did you have a followup okay looked like you were going to say something uh I'm in concurrent with that I mean I I think that we have we have kind of shuffled things on you know left hand right hand and I I I do think that that has to work from I think Beyond this point that's not going to be feasible I really don't think you know we've had

[1:11:48] some dramatic increases in some fees which we know and whether we like them or hate them but we've had have had those in increases I think from this point beyond what we're going to have to be looking at is kind of a our property valuations are going to be going up we know that that's imminent it's going to happen we have no control over that absolutely zero control over that so what we're going to have to be doing is as our tax base increases with the valuations we're going to have to be offsetting that with lower tax rates not from offsetting with fees but from offsetting with uh to to help balance that that approach out because if you and and it's somehow deriving what kind of that mean is so we can if valuations are going up you know 2% 4% 5% and I know there's a maximum that they can go up per year is ensuring that that stabilization of that rate coincides with that to help balance where you know while you may have a your property taxes can somewhat be equivalent with the valuations rising if that makes sense okay I've got a comment real quick you know having heard all this uh the impact of the clein shell the the coming impact uh you know we talked about the influx of folks we the the increase in tax revenues tax sales tax revenues that's that's all fine and dandy but I guess my uh my only question and and I've never heard is uh what impact is is going on in the hotel motel owners world I mean sure they contribute to the hot money's to us but are we talking to them at all what what is what is going on there or I know that the high usage that's happening on their facilities it's got to be there's got to be some wear and tear going on so are we looking at maybe some kind of reprieve on their part or where are we on that I what's what's happening there so I would I would answer your

[1:13:51] question this way they're they are paying you more in hotel motel tax occupancy tax because they have been able to raise you know they've been able to raise rates they've been able to keep their hotel full they're you know they're economically in a better place okay whatever where whatever we and tear is occurring to their facility their revenues have gone up yeah their revenues have gone up and and to answer your other question though or one of the thing the things you said the answer to that is we are in we are in conversation uh I mean we had a good meeting yesterday with uh Apartment Association Home Builders Association the Realtors association uh we spent a lot of time and you remember from Council the two committees we've set up one on housing and one on Transportation the housing one is one where we're spending a lot of energy on what's going on with housing related to this uh growth of population and influx of economic activity but so I mean I would say to you that that they are able ble to raise their rates they're able to keep their rooms rented so their economic picture is much healthier uh than it has been so their wearing te issue they're okay um is the way I would characterize that their Break Even it shifts up a little bit because of the wear and tear but the amount of Revenue they're getting far exceeds it the the hot fund or tax does not um affect them directly they get they just pass it through and and what is that percentage on the hot tax what the tax this what is that 1% it's a pass through okay I know that in speaking with as far as the property tax rate I mean not the property tax but uh going to the room occupancy tax rate um as that grows I know that um there's a few

[1:15:54] projects that are Miss a while ago as far as for Concho there's a lot of work that that could be done also to to keep in mind that tourism is really important to our community and as as the old wom again continues there's the inevitable bust we want to make sure that of course we have everything in place at this point uh to address tourism is there any priorities that you have you know with those extra monies that would be coming in on room room you want break time sure okay I believe we have everybody back now we'll disc actually we had already jumped into U the uh number five which is City Council planning Direction so we'll continue along that path I know that we uh decided to go take a break before we continued on a while ago we were talking of course about the revenue increase planning and what we're going to do with those extra monies make sure that we're as responsible as we possibly can to address some of the needs that we have um and I definitely want to get your thoughts as we move forward uh how those monies could also be spent so um I know we uh finished off very quickly a while ago so is there anyone else wants to kind of add any more comments okay what I what I want to do then is I do have my directors uh here available you know to address what they feel would be a top priority for their departments uh sorry sir uh you were just going into one issue though right before we broke that I you know that while you're doing priorities right the the priority um as far as the um we start looking I was talking about the fort Concho and what we need to do with tourism uh I know that uh the study that was done through as far as a cultural district one of the big areas that was addressed as wayf finding uh that that was should be one of the top priorities that we should take a look at and make sure that we have that in place uh that of course that would help out extremely extremely well with our tourism so that it was one of the items that was considered a

[1:17:55] priority is there anything else as far as that's my thought on that issue I don't know I've said this at the council meeting I think that uh Mr Morrison's going to back me up I think maybe Kendall will too but that is uh at least some of the money and I would I would think a quarter or a third needs to go somewhere to a savings account of some sort a rainy day fund is what we've been calling it or something like that but when when the economy does go down again let's just say we we go into another recession and things get tough that's when you Market that's when you go spend Monies to revitalize because it'll come back out probably and and you want to be on top of it you don't want to be short funds in a bad situation and so I think some funds need to go to the side for later however when we do way funding or way finding we do have to fund that it last for a long time and so when we do get into that dip it's helping us so it depends on what we're spending it on I'm just saying we need some marketing funds for later later and that's where I'm coming from great I'm not sure exactly how that fund is taken care of so that the rainy day fund approach may make sense in that place in many places you build the rainy day fund by funding the reserves so bear that in mind when you're looking at a lot of your other buckets of money that you know you have supposed uh 90 days worth of money and you're actually at 7 70 days worth of money so so you can build your reserves do we have reserves like that with the Chamber of Commerce and I don't think you do on that fund that's why I was saying on that hot hot fund it's allocated remember 47% went here 48% wi here so it's not there so I'm saying on that fund your approach might make some sense that you go look let's put a reserve in that's that's one way of looking at it but on a lot of your other funds I'm just reminding you as a group that you have a fund it's in your reserves and and you could use a

[1:19:58] time where you're getting ahead economically to fully fund your reserves so that as you have a turn down the fund the reserves are funded okay but so you'll want to pay attention you know we got a lot of different buckets water fund general fund you know and on and on and on and on so just a lot of those funds have a rainy day fund built into them in the form of a reserve so I wouldn't cre you know I wouldn't create a rainy day fund where you have a reserve it's not a general rainy day fund what it is is a fund that keeps the marketing but in this one in this one what I'm suggesting to you is that you basically say let's build a reserve did you call it a stabilization fund okay that that may be the word we want to use a stabilization fund so that when the the hot hot revenues go down we still have the money that they can market and keep up in essence though it's saying look we want in that one to have a reserve fund just like we have a reserve res fund over here and over here and over here we'd like to have some of these additional dollars create a reserve fund for for hot Mone and then you're doing the same thing across the board okay have a question yes Mar if you could refresh my memory two to three years ago we had a surplus and I thought we could set aside a little over $600,000 in the future uh uh landf now these are ear marks as reserves for certain cases that s are talking about it's not all in one great Reserve fund with so much allocated to each is that right so what she she I believe what she said Mr DNE was that we set money aside for the new or the future landfill and but she's saying you know there are reserves for a lot of different activities and I think what she said we had a little trouble hearing Miss farmer but I think what she said okay I think what she said was uh that she's not talking about one big rainy

[1:22:02] day fund but making sure that we fund the reserves in all of these different accounts that's a that's a good point and that's a very good example of rate stabilization uh philosophy at work when you take money and set it aside for a particular known cost increase that's going to occur in the future over the Long Haul you're probably going to need to change rates to uh cover those costs but if you set a little money aside you can smooth that transition and and that's the basis for stability in the rates rate stabilization fund corre so good point M former okay so we have address as far as a way finding are there any other priorties since we're on the subject of Tourism is there any any other priorties that you would like to address or any objectives you'd like to accomplish there well yeah we've got Fort Concho okay Coliseum I mean those are I I would I think those three are really four items because I would agree with ensuring that we do have some kind of reserve on that and Coliseum Fort Concho and way finding I consider those top four priorities for hot not on on tourism H okay any other thoughts on as far as tourism of course those are excellent um any other thoughts as far as tourism well I mean there there's one other drum that gets beat a lot and that's just here particularly the sign out front that it doesn't fit with whatever else was done here but that's not a very big thing to be hon okay it won be expensive okay how do we figure out who has the phone if you're if it's transmitting email and things of that nature it may have this phone on the ground I thought I got it away from everything I did it I don't know where else to put it way to go trash can over there that's where I like to have my phone kept sometimes maybe on the table was better okay okay um so tourism tourism so we

[1:24:07] have those that we we consider I mean we basically as far as council members um do you see that also as far as those priorities as mentioned by um um let me ask this on tourism how effective do we as a council feel that the chamber is doing their job as far as promoting s angel are they are they doing good are they how are they doing how will we grade them how do we measure what they're out there doing well that was one of the discussions and dialogues that we had we started back what about a year ago I mean they had brought in some of their presentation and we grilled them more pretty aggressively pretty aggressively I mean I was trying to find the right words without getting too crude but we grilled them pretty aggressively and that is one of the things that that we all said is we want to have metrics and whether it was on sapac or whether it was on the chamber or whether it was on whoever we want to have some metrics that we can say how effective are you doing your job and you know and that's the thing they're I think they're starting to come up with some of that I don't know that we're there yet but uh uh you know talking to Bob schneeman I mean they're kind of working on some of that from the Costa DC perspective because that's where the funds most most the funds derived from so uh they play a vital part absolutely they're they're critical and they're our marketing arm of the city but also also it helps I mean also helping to answer your question that's why it makes so much sense that the the chambers uh convention and visitors bureau portion not be on a pure percentage of hotel motel tax so the fact that we made the the uh you know made the agreement a certain amount of money allows better accountability you don't just get the money you get this much money and every 3 years you you get held accountable for should that amount of money stay the same go up go down based on how you've performed so back to what Mr hfield said I think

[1:26:09] we're putting in motion uh and but it's EV it's evolv we're not there yet yeah it's evolving we're not completely there yet but but you want measurements are you how are you doing on the number of conventions and how how are you doing on so that you talk then about whether that stays the same but we're making progress because one of the things is not just letting the money go no matter what now the money is static a set amount that can be going can be taken up or taken down or so that's a good thing but I think you know my gut feel I have a marketing background and my gut feel is that there could be some revamping or a change up a structural change or something missing you look at Shannon versus Community Hospital you and you see some good stuff coming out from Shannon particularly Community pretty good because they're in competition so there's incredible marketing going on it's very precise and they lose if they don't do good on marketing they lose and in the amount of patience they get in the money they make and so there's a a gain there if they do a good job and it's not that same competitive setup is not there at the chamber and so I would like to see something I haven't figured it out yet but some kind of change and how the the thing works I'm not sure how to do that yet and that's why I'm being vague but well the best thing you can do to attack that really is set up these these performance measurements yes set up some performance metrics that shows what's the payback for every dollar that we're paying you what's our payback in you know in some of the metrics and that is the money right there and and they what they could win or lose is they could lose some funding their funding may go down we say you know you didn't perform as well as what we think you should so here's your funding and there's a there's a problem with that in that some of what big companies do is is a long-term Imaging of their product and in the image it takes years to build it and they can't show that return we did this we got that it's not you do this you do

[1:28:14] this you do this you start getting the result and it never shows up on a graph anywhere it's just a smooth increase and you can tell they're doing a good job but you can't pinpoint which marketing scheme worked or which one didn't you just it has to it's a consistency and and I'm looking for uh something that builds St Angelo's image just to stick we have this Festival on a billboard doesn't do it for me if we're going to be the best most desirable midsize City in the state of Texas we have to be exceptional meaning the exception doing things differently than everybody else does it so what is it that we do different definitely a notch above everybody else to portray the reality of what s has become in the future so will become in the future we we build an image and we tend to gravitate towards that as a community as well so it happens within our community and external of the community so this is marketing to me and we are not at that level okay so I'm just backing us up to the question is do we think the chamber uh is doing the job and the answer for now is they are they are our uh marketer and we have changed the equation a little to try to work toward a more accountable set and then what you're describing would be continuing down a path of evolution on how to do it what's the best way that bar fine but we've started you know we've started and we're getting there and right now you know at least there's some accountability it's not just fluctuating based on they get more money or less money based on hot taxes but I do like of course what uh councilman herwell just mentioned a while ago is accountability also is in the form of performance measurements could be in the form of any marketing campaign that you have out there at this point how how many leads did we get from that uh there's I mean so many different ways to measure you know to determine you know yes it does build take a while to build that image what we want I mean San Angelo to be but the deal here is that we can also

[1:30:17] start measuring immediately to see how much success we we've met up with at that point too that if those leads are clim you can't and you and you don't want to act like they haven't been doing sure no no they haven't they've in other words in other words their cumulative efforts in Texas monthly and Texas highways and the Billboards in Midland and on and on those things should be building a brand what I'm looking for is exceptional I'm looking for except because we want to be exceptional we have to have exceptional marketing and so we're not exceptional we're doing good but we're not exceptional um and that's that's the difference I'm looking for what what does it take to become exceptional and that thought pattern and that process needs to be engaged to kind of think about what that means um we always should sit in the bar ha guess I guess we what oh well Paul are you talking about you that if they develop a a profile the the chamber develops a proile profile of what they're trying to attract and then keeping a setting if they meet that goal or they got lucky and something else came in to keep those occupancies up I mean they're they're exceeding what we're expecting if we know what markets they're profiling and going after then something just happened to fall in their lap and it made have meet the go but it wasn't what they were targeting yeah a lot of the driver is economic a lot of the driver is economic other things affect if they're successful or not one thing I didn't throw in Charlotte is that the Obama Administration did an incredible job of figuring out what works and what doesn't in uh getting President Obama reelected they they they knew how to get funds from people how websites should look they really researched every intricate detail because they had an economic gain to do so we lack the economic gain incentive the direct economic gain incentive that private industry has or election campaigns have and and so we're

[1:32:20] not going to get this incredible intricate plan in place without it and so that's why I look at a structural change maybe but I'm not sure what it would be well it again keep in mind that this is the the the the entire chamber picture is a complex a little more complex equation you've got the chamber you've got the CVB and then then you also have the Cornerstone which a city has absolutely nothing to do with and that's private money that's private money from the the community that helps promote legislative affairs and government Affairs and things like that that you know so it's a it's a it's a bigger equation then it's a full-fledged equation and and I think that it has to be looked at in that manner and you know well that's fair we're talking about the about 300,000 Year we're getting off on M and I think the reason I brought it up you know it is right along uh the tourism conversation is I want the chamber to succeed I want them to really promote s Angelo but I want to see more of the the exciting uh part they came in like the Lucas Oil dragboat races the Lucas Oil race TR I want to see more of that and not just read that they went and visited this place or attended this place and you know I I'd like to see something more concrete that is it really working I mean you're really bringing in some some of these big outfits metric yes I mean just is it working you know yes okay Mr Alexander I just want to be a good partner with the chamber I don't so it's I'm not trying to rub anybody wrong I'm trying to set the bar higher for every organization yes in our city and our chamber everywhere if we're going to be exceptional we have to be exceptional at every level and that's that's kind of the message so what do you expect if you're exceptional and then how do we get there okay but if you'll recall the reports that they gave us the cdb G Us in 2009 all all actuality we were really having a rough time in Financial in 2009

[1:34:24] but they showed that our occupancy our you know their overall percentages were up over 2008 but they raised their rates in 2009 and that's why that figure was up so it's a false positive and gives us a false information false report so I'd like to see their quarter report to us changed in a bit where they include if there's a rate change it makes those numbers different uh it's like um in 2008 the average daily rate to occupancy rate was 65.2% 2008 uh but in 2009 it was actually 57.0 and that's when I noticed there had to be something different it's because they raised their rate now that daily rate today is is what did you say Bo Mr Mayor I I thought I heard you quote no I said that there no it was I mean she brought it up the other day but I don't remember the exact number but I mean it's now as I remembered it was right around $100 or even a little more but the but you're talking about the occupancy rate and the rate she the rate she gave on that was around 80 80 or 85% but there's some there's some something to do with Sunday night and there's something to do with how they report because act you know actually Monday through Saturday I think they're approaching 100% And it's the dollar amount is up over last year so that exes the number doesn't it yeah yeah it well you know we do we own hotels and and the number we look at is the revenue per available room okay because you don't want 100% occupany and high occupancy percentages don't portray what's really going on it just means you're not charging enough is what it means uh you want to get your Revenue per available room up and you watch that number and that tells you that gives you the temperature of what's really going on in that area or for that hotel and and they do have that they do provide

[1:36:27] that to us it's just that that's the key number I'd be watching okay anything else as far as tourism that you'd um like to address the chamber just like I said let's measure measure and see what we do okay let's switch gears and let's look at Economic Development are there any uh areas that you would like to address as far as economic development as far as our objectives for this coming year uh What uh would you like to see accomplish this coming year I I think the economic development Partners there this year a lot of what they're going to have to work on and the council will have to work on behind them is the Discerning of what what's coming here anyway uh and trying to trying to decide what what what to incent or not incent making sure that you're really true to your uh bylaws really true to your guidelines on on uh what gets funded what doesn't get funded because if you're in an environment where someone is coming to town you you know that's that's a different it's going to be a hard uh hard to know who to incent who not to incent uh things of that nature so I think that's going to be a part of their world um I think uh continuing down the path having the discipline uh to go ahead and continue down the path on the big study that they did uh and putting that study in play is one of the things that they need to be uh taxed with or that tasked with they you know they're supposed to be for instance uh at the chamber John Dugan and supposed to be finishing out the marketing plan associated with that study so one of the things the council should be asking about is let me see

[1:38:30] that marketing plan um and what have they profiled what is work rated bringing to us and what have they targeted in actual tourism the differences in it makes those members so they they had that strategic economic development plan that we all funded and that that that we all participated in with Angelo do you remember Angelo economics yeah yes okay so let's make sure that we have the discipline in other words if you're in a time where all of a sudden stuff's just coming to you don't lose discipline about operating against the plan you put in place so they have they have to be uh disciplined enough to execute against the plan they put in place and they have to spend some energy against Discerning what what rabbit holes to go down or or not I think those are the two things that come to my mind but there's a threat associated with um um Employees leaving that have knowledge about the plan uh so and they have and so the plan could get lost very easily and you know it's $75,000 to do that and it looks looks very valuable until employees don't adhere to it so you got to be so so I mean our group this group has to to be saying tell me where you are on that tell me what tell me how you're moving forward on that what does the marketing look like I mean you you know you have to hold them accountable to the money that was spent that's all I'm saying see I I want to I guess my take on on the whole economic development is I think we have to continue the marketing plan for searching for all the companies that are that are out there that might be possibilities I do think that we can you know at this point we can be very very picky in particular on what we may want to incentivize for the the short term term I would love to see a little bit of the focus and working on assisting some smaller local businesses and to help those out I

[1:40:35] think it's an opportunity for us to do some of that right now uh knowing there's going to be a a massive employment coming in anyway and and that's where some of these small guys that don't have staffs of huge HR and huge it and huge all that that that you know again that's what I love about the business resource center but I think that's that's going to have to be a big Focus for us to to support that and I know the chamber supports that too with the you know doing the things that they're doing it's just it it's and and I've told them this before it's not necessarily incentives that small businesses need they need help they need help with uh hiring people with retaining people with with benefits with this and with that they need expertise that they don't have because they are a oneman or they're a fiveman shop and and I happen to be the controller the IT guy the this and the that and so there's only you're going to wear a bunch of hats and that's what small business needs and with all the the growth that's going to happen I think it's imperative for us to help support the local business small guys as much as we possibly can with with that kind of effort I think he's on to something I do but now I ask you which which local guys and I'm thinking housing shortages are disaster and that's what we look at coming up with this cin Shell Oil boom is if we're short on houses we can't even move them in so they can take a job with this small business or with the city or whoever so how do we Al alleviate the the housing problem we we build more houses or something you're not going to alleviate the housing problem the city the city will not alleviate the housing problem we but how do we help private if you can't move somebody in to work to build a house then how do you build a house so is there something we can do is there something we can incentivize well the the simple thing is we've got to it goes back to some of the things that I've I preached preached about before is we've got to streamline our I'm not

[1:42:39] going to pick on one Department I'm going to we got to streamline some of our building process departments that where we can we can make get get buildings done quicker easier more effectively more efficiently and manage Staffing and manage Staffing that's right so it's so that's the process of what we've got to that that can help that that we can have a direct impact on we don't need to be building houses we don't need to be telling people that you can't you should be building 10 houses we need to be telling people you want to go build houses that's fine we're going to make it a little bit easier for you maybe in the short term we're going to expedite some of the processes that normally take forever and ever developer Farm be at least through a period And I'm not saying get selling out the farm I'm not selling saying allow substandard things to happen but um but but it means if you're going to build we're going to allow you to get your permit in this amount of time where normally it may take this amount of time we're going to allow you to we're going to get more inspectors out there maybe working overtime more guys I don't know but accommodating to the to the expedited needs whether it's houses apartments hotels whatever the aspect may be I said this to Daniel yesterday that that time is money when somebody knows they're going to build something that draws Revenue like a restaurant every day is a loss whatever the what are revenu and so we got to we do have to move quickly um and this is one spot where I would uh increase funding I would increase funding to the permit department you're going to need more staff there they're going to need to do more work more inspections you already know it's going to happen so what does that take and i' be looking right now at what you need to accomplish and hire for next year's load because they got to train and get into the process and I think we're a little behind right now are we a little we're we're already looking into that anyway so uh we definitely do understand that we are

[1:44:40] going to have those needs we know that with the with the growth that we're anticipating that there are certain departments we mentioned a while ago as far as not growing the government but there's going to be certain departments as M mentioned also that we are going to have to make sure that we set some extra monies make sure that we have the proper Staffing to make sure that we don't have those delays so can I say it's ironic that we would grow the government and the permit department so we can get the permits through to decrease the friction that government causes on businesses I mean we need that's what we want to do is get them moving sure and Kendall and I have both been on that because I think we've experienced it locally absolutely it'll pay for itself that'll generate property taxes you know the fact is that'll pay for itself AB will pay for because because it generates property taxes no question and you get them in here and they start cash flowing revenues and we get the get the sales tax off of it that's as much of a you know for for that sector of the business that's as much of an economic incentive as giving someone a dollar but making their process where they can earn that dollar faster Miss far sorry Miss fan go ahead she normally HS me so I had a followup to H Kendall and Daniel's uh process about speeding up the process in permit and whatnot but doesn't don't you think that it has to do we could cut a lot of time if we knew how long it took that inspector to inspect whether it's a lock out a slab uh you know what portion of the house is done how much time it's taking them to go to and do the whatever assignment is if this assignment takes 30 minutes but it takes 2 hours and 45 minutes SC to complete it shouldn't we be looking at the efficiency of our employees to cut that time absolutely I agree with absolutely we we have to look at the process uh the different steps that we take you know like inspections and is there something that can be reduced there something be eliminated without reducing the quality of that inspection and those are all things of course that we want to take a look at first before

[1:46:42] we start saying we're going to hire a lot of people now exactly U I hate throwing money at something just because we think it'll fix it we want to make sure that first first and foremost that we are being as efficient as possible and then of course we know that uh with the growth that we're anticipating we are going to need some additional staff but first things first yeah let's make sure that we are being efficient I have a question to either Rick or or Michael DNE what is what is the uh the Brownwood Chamber of Commerce doing that we're not doing because they seem to be getting all these big name companies in there what have they done in the past do you know have y'all even visited or researched you know the 3M and heaven knows what else is out there but little old Brownwood is doing something that that that's working keep in mind a lot of those businesses have been there for many many years but something brought them in I know agreed and I I was given a lead and I haven't followed up on it but they they uh did have somebody come in and look at how they Market their City how they present their city and they spent some money on it these guys fixed them up look this is how you do it and so you're telling me now there's results so okay um I think I better make the calls to Brownwood but be careful that again remember what you just heard I mean 3M has been there for decades so so don't make don't tie the things together and I'll look at you know somebody told me to look at it you know they really went into it but why does it have to be Paul Alexander you why does it I know somebody say that I know somebody that it's we have a I know some people that can do that we have an apartment complex there we have a manager and part owner and we can go ask question well something's working there we I'd be interested finding out what what it is we'll put our calls in he if anybody's doing something better than St Angelo Texas let's go find out how they're doing it and Tyler Texas is a target City just just keep in mind that again I think you know we're looking short-term and long-term type type aspects the shortterm in my opinion is the aspect of what I described and that is to help

[1:48:46] local businesses with the business they're doing small businesses that what they're doing number two then helping uh speed up some of the process for the permits and inspections and such that for that to me that's the shortterm long-term is absolutely we got to continue on the Strategic plan we've got to be you know looking at the entire marketing plan that the chamber's going to be presenting establishing all those metrics that we can monitor and check and keep them accountable because you know if they are going to these things but what are we getting from that and you know and I some of them yes it's you just you got to go to get your name there and it takes a long time to get a payback on that but you know there should be some kind of return on that but again kind of breaking it down into two section short term three to five years maybe and then long term is really the Beyond five years comprehensive plan typ stuff that we have to update anyway um I know that um I definitely understand everything that uh y'all are discussing I think you're right on the money I know that with the all where the old play in our area it's really easy a lot of times to just you know sit on your laurs and say well the money's coming in anyway U we we also have to keep in mind that we still need to continue diversifying you know what new business comes in so when that market or as far as old play uh goes down that it goes bust that we have done everything we possibly can to have those new businesses also aside from helping the the locals that are here at this point that we can build those businesses up it's also diversifying and making sure that we bring other industry other than just the oil uh so that we're not hit uh so drastically once that does go down are there any other thoughts on the U as far as economic development I I'm just I'm just still in clear of how we could help small business that's I'm still looking for a direction on how ask me I'm a small business guy I'm the IT guy I'm the CFO I'm I do all of that you you found me Sunday night sitting at my

[1:50:50] sitting at my computer working on my server okay that's the kind of things that small business guys face every single day does C help me then and I the only thing you can do is get the permits going or or reduce my property taxes or something but that's that's it I'm sure how we can help the BRC is going to be helpful the thing is yeah uh the how will be answered on our in our strategic planning as far as it's Staffing we'll do that what we want from you guys right now is your objectives and the priorities that you have in mind and let us work out those details and that's what we have the second phase of it where I'll be meeting with my directors we'll be putting together project teams so make sure that we address what you're telling me telling us are your priorities yes and in terms of small business I would I would direct you towards how do you get more housing how do you get houses built how does the city influence that that's my question and I think that's where we could do something that's very uh beneficial okay and but how I don't know that efficiency of and per perit take money to do that necessarily except a little money to hire more people maybe but so no incentives u i mean the platting process well I mean I think to some degree you don't have to based on what I heard yesterday I don't think you're going to have to incent I think you're just going to have to expedite I mean that's the incentive right there okay because what I'm trying to say what I'm trying to say there is it sounded like to me yesterday you know 11 subdivisions that people are asking for and I mean there are people people that are saying okay I see you know the marketplace is is reacting to uh expected demand so you're going to have people saying I want to build a hotel I want to build an apartment complex I want to build this subdivision of houses and so right now it doesn't look like to me that we need to do anything where we go where we go out and say we need to incent people to build something I don't think we're I don't think what I heard yesterday I thought were on a track on they were really big corporations and

[1:52:53] then we said no we don't want to do that we go to small no they were really how do we in about small I don't know how it was really popping yesterday on its own so the marketplace was priv indry but the but the thing we need to do is is not be in their way not not force what should have been done in 10 months to take 24 months or 18 months or and so I think as a city J through this hoop and then now you got to jump through this hoop exactly we got to do what we can to make to expedite and I'll say that is a big deal it is a huge and you know that from yesterday listen I'm hard on Daniel I'm I'm hard on Daniel and in front of other people but this is a a very important topic and and if Daniel can take care of this and help out it's huge you you're you're going to get a lot of appreciation from a lot of home builders and construction people they're going to be singing the Praises To You Daniel well we do have of course we have that meeting next Wednesday you know to to really plan the process out so we're really looking forward to that but um yeah you're absolutely right on the money we do need to make sure that we address that and um also make sure that we are working as efficiently also to expedite the regulatory process so um good points U anything else on economic development okay what's next next is the big one for were we on were we on economic development right yes yes ma'am okay I just have to ask you know you're talking about the incentives shouldn't there be some sort of guide in there uh you're talking about small businesses kindall and and for me personally I feel the small business person develops from being a longtime resident of here he's not necessarily coming into Financial to set up a small business maybe maybe not it's just the person that's been here is more at to start a small business in San Angela should there be a differentiation of a point wiser structure to where you give a local person more credit than an outside person coming in to start a business I don't think you can do that I mean and

[1:54:57] and be and and be able to sleep at night knowing I would love to do that but truthfully you have to treat people fair and reasonable no matter what they're doing to me the real issue is again the small business could be based on number of employees right but but again it's the the the challenge for Is that we we all love to have the the employer that's going to come in and bring a thousand employees it's great but frankly you know the majority of of people are employed by small business and and what they're looking for is and I've expressed this numerous numerous times it's not just a handout to say here's 50 bucks for you to do this or $10 for every employee what they're looking for is help they're looking for assistance that's why the BRC is so important we got to continue that funding we got to support them we've got to help the BRC become a big big success that's where they're going to find some of that incentive there okay I I do have an area and I forgot to mention it and I've been on it for three years and that is and let me tell you it came um when you can purchase a product for $3 an item on the internet from Wisconsin and it costs $1 in St Angelo you're going to purchase it from Wisconsin because you can't afford you can't afford $1 when it's $3 somewhere else and the way they do that this company in Wisconsin's probably set up an online well they have they set up an online uh place where you can shop and purchase and then ship it down okay that online takes that that store online costs money it takes uh a developer a programmer to fix it and get it going if we could bolster our our small businesses around here and give them help with online programming and this is not worked I've said this to people it has not gone anywhere because it's difficult to figure out how to do this but we had say if we hired two incredible programmers and they assist small businesses in San Angelo now our businesses are going out nationally and getting uh money

[1:57:02] nationally coming into St Angelo that helps our local economy helps build their business into a giant business I mean it doesn't just grow double it grows tenfold or something like that and they're they're they're looking for bigger buildings to do more operations it's manufacturer whatever it is you see what I'm saying so if we can do that and that would help Kindle it would help Kindle it would help me in my business and I can go right down the line it could help almost a third or half of the businesses in St Angelo that can get online and start you know getting Shoppers from around the nation so there is one spot because we're remote because we're in St Angelo Texas we don't have people coming from the next city over to drop in and Shop we need to work on our national pres presence on the internet and help businesses do that now that's that would be enormous K do you have a website you you figure that out uh not a very good one but you have one but I'm going to a class later on this month put on by the spdc Yeah I was say as a matter of fact that I've been asking you can sell a product onl even better that'd be good that's right it's going to take him no less than $50,000 to get a pretty good online store of any kind at all and and then he's competing nationally with the other guys have the same product so he's got to beat them somehow it's going to take more money 200,000 something like I mean you our website cost I mean it's expensive to compete nationally you got to have a really good set of programmers there's not a lot here in s Angelo okay so we're under we're under we're at a disadvantage compared to other cities to build your small business in St Angelo on the internet you're at a disadvantage we don't need that disadvantage we need to eliminate that disadvantage so there's one spot I'll go once again and saying that's really a long-term thing our short-term thing with small business is getting them through this this delus that we're about to get in and let them be competitive and and support uh all the activity that's going on but to diversify we'd have to look at other areas fully agree that's a long term very but your mind it's a tough issue

[1:59:04] you'll see I'll talk to you about it later okay um let's go ahead and move on to the U next item which uh is a big one of course we've been talking about is infrastructure um I'd like to actually Clinton would you like to come up here real quick um like Clinton to kind of do a little quick gra on the uh it's not our it's not yours as far as what we've been talking about we look at streets and the actual cost and everything Associated and why the level one priorities and y'all will have to yall have to bear with me here as I draw this out Mr as as we talk about these as we talk about streets being a priority uh a lot of times Council has asked on different occasions what is the top priority where does Bell Street fall on the priority list and the truth is we haven't prioritized those we have a pretty good idea uh about that top 55 list of major roadways uh there are a lot of those that need to be rebuilt but there are a lot of them on that list that could also um you know probably stand just a millon overlay which is a much less expensive uh process so as we start looking at this process to really drill down and make our priorities I want to kind of lay out what we're looking at and how that process develops to make it a little bit more understandable for you I'm going to start with a um a street life cycle curve and I'm not the artist that Michael DNE is so bear with me here yeah thought about three four years ago we did prioritize because I had asked you to include include safety to be a denomination in prioritizing which had priority over another Street if it had to do with the resident safety or

[2:01:10] even a person driving car safety right and it's not it's not just all about pavement condition there are a number of other factors that will be considered into that overall prioritization and U I thought we did put in an order you know we all pitched for our district but we talked about you know amount of traffic and the different things that you I thought we did here while he while he's drawing um I just looked out in the audience and thought of two more things for your Economic Development okay one it would be nice to keep a focus on another airport uh for connec okay so Houston uh particularly if this continues to be an energy type of Boom we we have to keep an eye on Houston as a a connective City okay so the fact that we only have dois uh for air you know for air service we don't want economic on an economic development basis we definitely need to keep an eye on that and then the other is also Transportation related and it has to do with um you know we're getting a forlane uh that we heard the other day four Lane's funded between uh Garden City and Midland so you're going to end up with a four lane it's Sterling City in Midland you're going to end up with four lane from St Angelo to Midland Odessa uh four lane from St Angelo to Big Spring a super two from St Angelo to Sonora okay uh but you want to continue to work on those priorities and include uh pushing for the uh pushing for the engineering study uh toward Del Rio right and if I could explain what I've drawn up here again this is the life cycle curve of a street when it gets the proper maintenance we design our streets in St Angelo to have about a 25 to 30-year useful life so what we have right here on the left hand side is the condition

[2:03:12] of the roadway and I have a scale from zero to 100 100 being the newest Street in town um the uh bottom line right here um as time and I've divided this up into seven-year increments right here and out to 30 years so what we have is we build a new street we have automatically um over the course of time a decline in the condition of that road so what we do is we seal coat every seven years or so and that brings us back up to a better condition as we move move along at about 15 years 14 15 years we do a and overlay that's a little bit more significant maintenance than seal coat that brings us back up just a little bit more as we move along do another seal coat right here getting out toward the end until we finally start having base failures potholes things that are going to take a lot more maintenance to address you have reconstruction at the end of that right there so a lot of times because we don't have any routine maintenance solid routine maintenance programs um in the city in our street and Bridge Department because we don't have the budget to do a um an 8-year rotation on our seal coat um because we don't do Mill and overl every 15 years this is what the curve generally looks like we start out here at 100% got different yeah we do want to use red they need to see that so we start out at 100% right here and we come across and at a point here we see a rapid decline in the condition of the road and as Daniel mentioned at this point somewhere around the 14 years point it's going to cost us one times to fix the street at that

[2:05:18] at that point well right here it's going to cost five times that amount we're in this zone right here on a lot of our streets residential streets major roads in town we're at a critical point where seal coat doesn't do any good where we're going to have to do some sort of major Mill and overlay or uh full reconstruction and what we end up doing then right here is we do a seal coat and it might last a year or two then we do another seal coat it might last another year or two so we're bumping along the bottom right here instead of applying this routine maintenance along the way to get that overall useful life out of that road so that's the pavement life cycle and what we're looking at doing in this study is determining where every Street in the city falls on this curve so if I can flip this so what we're going to end up with is all of our streets in one group and from this point we're going to have streets that need very minimal maintenance uh say crack seal a little bit more aggressive maintenance seal coat Mill and overlay and then finally full full reconstruction so all the streets are going to fall into one of these categories right here there's one more category in there

[2:07:20] there's streets not needing maintenance they're brand new right and that's this one over here okay right that aren't going to need much but are still probably going to need a crack seal within a year or so okay so these are the major categories that I'm looking at here they're going to be x% of the streets in this first category x% in the second category and so on and if we're looking at a seven-year plan we're going to have to decide what condition we want the streets in if we want them to be in 100% condition all new streets there's going to be a cost associated with that if we want to get to 90% there's going to be a cost associated with that if we want to get to 80% again there's going to be a cost associated with that so each year we take all of our streets they're going to fall into one of these categories right here and of course the cost is increases exponentially from your crack seal type maintenance to your reconstruction and all of these together say in a seven to eight year plan depending on what you want your condition your final condition to be what you want to maintain there's going to be an annual cost to that so that's what we're looking at doing in this overall study we want to determine uh exact ly where every Street in the city falls into these categories and without doing this without doing that evaluation um we have no idea really what streets need to be seal coated we might be doing a street up north and there are streets in the southern Port of T part of town that are nearing this critical point right here you know we're going to be able to anticipate after we do this is what the

[2:09:23] remaining useful life is so this is going to give us a really good idea exactly where to put our money to put our dollars to realize that maximum potential there and really streamline that budget uh develop routine maintenance programs that we really don't have in place right now and again start rebuilding our roads to get back to an overall suitable condition now this is this is the same test that Tex do does every 3 years correct that's correct and tex do did their initial study and they update it every 3 years that's typically what cities do uh some of the larger cities majority of larger cities have the same type of program and it's generally updated every every 3 years but as we um fill in potholes and do level up work and do seal coat and some of these other things all that data has entered into our uh program and that bumps that pavement condition back up so it's a a moving condition based on what we're applying to that road and everything that street and Bridge does um has an effect on that overall condition we need to account for that and there's a cost associated with that as well Clint I have a quick question yes sir on that list of 55 that we looked at one time what percentage do is your opinion what percentage of those are in the Reconstruction category they need they need I would say roughly a third a quarter to a third um there are quite a few streets on the list and uh Main Street 14th 19th that we're doing the mill and overlay on this year or good examples of streets where the foundation of that roadway has not deteriorated to the point where we need to replace it we don't need to

[2:11:26] do that full reconstruction we can go back in and do that Milling off of the asphalt and place that new asphalt over the top and um reduce the cost of that effort by about 85% so those are three streets a couple of those were on that reconstruction list and there are a number of those on that list of 55 that we could do that same type of operation to but we have to go through the evaluation and determine which ones those are have to have the data we have to have the data first when are we spending on wheels for example we talked about that the 14th Street that needs it uh and then on top of that you have the drainage issue are we are we spinning our Wheels because you could get a a real bad rain and then you know you're back to square one as far as the condition or the drainage that issue that's out there so right and the drainage issue is a little bit different issue that we're not going to be able to fully address with the street uh we do have some cross drainage that we're going to improve with the mill and overlay project to try to get that water Downstream a little bit more quickly we're going to be removing a little bit more asphalt to allow for more Street flow which should alleviate some of that flooding problem right there but um we're looking at a much bigger uh much bigger project there and I can remember driving through the neighborhood with mayor new and and just taking a look at the extent of that and it's blocks and blocks worth of a project so that's where our drainage infrastructure issues uh come into the equation there okay thanks glinton couple of couple of points for you that I'm I want to at least ask you guys to consider while you're doing your study okay one is when you look at a street and say Here's the condition it's in in in essence you're looking through your rearview mirror uh saying you know up to this point this is what has happened to this street there will be

[2:13:28] some streets that you look at that you will know uh based on current activity that what's going to happen to them in the next few years is going to be exponential compared to what has been happening to them so you know for me and I've I've pointed this one out before to you but it's that I think it's north bell going up to around 37th out there okay and that street has so many trucks on it and and because of sand trucks and the addition of a sand truck yard and and some activity trying to take things on and off of the railroad out there that that problem is getting worse quickly and so bear in mind that just looking in the rearview mirror isn't all you know give you right so pay attention to the idea that this Road's in you know this bad a shape right now but but because of new use it's going to be in much worse shape sooner than the road over there okay right and U so and then the other thing Mr Bailey that comes to mind and I trust that you'll do that I'm just giving you a reminder uh the the uh other thing that comes to mind somehow you might want to do something where you're paying attention to where you've been some kind of a I'm thinking of something like you know on the sidewalk plan there's there's a different Legend and it basically if it's solid and a certain color you know that's new sidewalk and if it's uh solid and a certain color you know that's unrepaired sidewalk and if it's dotted line you know it's about to be repaired or I would ask that you do something with the city uh particularly the main arteries the college Hills is of the world the Sherwood not Sherwood Way because that's a state highway but the the main city streets uh that you do something like that so that when you look at map you can kind of go look we're spending all of our energy here we're not taking care of this neighborhood or you know what I mean so that so that the the squeaky whe

[2:15:31] doesn't get the grease but the place that needs it gets the grease and there's some kind of objective where where are we doing this work right and that's exactly where we're going to get to in fact that's the final product that that we'll be receiving after this data dump we'll be able to incorporate all of that information into GIS and if we want to know what streets have 5 years of life left that are anything greater than a a a residential street we can turn those on in blue and and the addition I'm asking for though is what's just been done so you know 19th Street from Bryant to the railroad would would be indicated as just done I'm wanting you to kind of be able to see here's where we've spent our money and our energy and just make sure that again that it's not just the squeaky will that gets all of the activity but that everyone in town gets some of the activity right and as soon as that project is done we account for that and we're right here on the curve so that priority changes automatic like like that regarding the number of uh an increased truck traffic that's another factor that enters into the equation that develops this exact curve right here and traffic counts are done an anticipated development traffic counts associated with that so those are all items that are included in that and so we'll be able to anticipate what sir I know that we would all like to see great Creek rows or lake Heroes drives all over town you know as far as the material that was used there but uh remind me on the list of 55 uh one one street one stretch of road that I see is from Harris Avenue from Maine to Bell uh is that on that list that I don't remember uh cuz the reason I ask is because a lot of PD uses it a lot and the fire department use it a lot and it's a rough road but I I was trying to reach back in my memory bank and see if it was on there which which street Harris Avenue from Bell Michael got it

[2:17:34] so he can make sure he look from Main har no right and again uh every street in St Angelo will be on a list whether it is to be sealed coded Ming overlay fully reconstructed number 19 as of 2011 exactly where those priorities lie for reconstruction or otherwise will be determined what what I want to make sure is that while we all have roads or streets and you're exactly right I mean that that we all want to see and what I consider a priority versus what you consider a priority you know I think that's important to have that feedback but at the end of the day the study you're doing to me is the most critical the most important thing because because we have to have data we've got to have metrics we got to have the numbers that say you know while I agree with that road truthfully we can ex that before that is worthless Road bad choice worse but before it comes down to the bottom of that curve I mean we've got other ones that are going to hit their much faster and so that's where we need to be doing and the only and the only way to do that is the data so right and I hate to say this but what we're after here is to try to take politics out of the equation when we're developing the priorities here and what Shane and I have have have been talking about a lot is what um um what effort uh efforts the street and Bridge Department um uh has been doing to uh to maintain roads you wouldn't believe how many how much we spend on potholes every month it's staggering well that so that's a great idea but you don't forget my street you know it'll be on a list but Shane and I have opened up the lines of communication and um working with the street and Bridge Street and Bridge personnel and I have to understand what their needs are um before we can rebuild anything and we really have to get those routine maintenance programs um where they need to be before we rebuild anything so you'll have that study for us next week

[2:19:36] council meeting here not quite next week so this study to me looks like a spreadsheet every street it's one line and then it tells you what's uh where it's at on its life and uh I mean I can just see that here here's what I said to Harold a long time ago is I want to stand on any street that we own in St Angelo and be able to look it up and say this street will be uh it'll be replaced in 20 years at a cost current cost estimated at this price and what I said to him is I'd like to start putting money towards replacement now to where this money is always flowing out and we have a plan that we replace streets in this order and it all works out but that' be incredibly planned out but it could be done uh right more effective more efficient if it was right and I can provide the entire council with some information background information on what data is collected and how that is presented in what forms you can view that but it's um it's very easy to understand it's not a big spreadsheet with u 2,000 streets on it it's a map where you can turn on uh any kind of condition you want and take a look at that right now in fact you can use it on your your phone or GIS maps are available online yeah and I and I have it on my pH phone and I suggest other council members get it but what I'm looking for is the current situation is such that we we need a lot of money because I mean I've got a picture of Industrial Boulevard little Street behind uh Stadium Park Shopping Center um it's it's a disaster you can see the pavement coming through after a rain a little light rain you can look at any Street in Stan Angelo and I sent this to you Brian in the back if you want to put on the screen but you can see the spiderweb and then there's some white kichi coming through it well that's St isn't is gone I mean this is we have a problem here this is a big expense to fix it it's industrial that's not a safety problem and it's not heavily traveled this is going to be left to the side for a while I have a feeling because we have problems like Bell Street so I would say that this street problem is a huge major

[2:21:39] problem it's one of our biggest issues in San Angelo and for us to get this data and figure out how are we going to tackle it over the next seven years I realize this may be a while but at least I could punch the map and it's says it's scheduled for 4 years from now or 7 years from now it's scheduled to be replaced because we have a plan it's going to be very expensive but this this oil boom should provide the funds in which we can execute a plan whereas we've had very little money $2 million doesn't hardly scratch the surface right and we we will we will be able to view um that information um readily like that so you can make that determination so we're going to be able to pull up our Maps GS map select a street and you know spit out the information where it's at exactly how that's going to work but you'll be able to view that graphically right he'll figure and we've been talking a lot the the the software program that we used is uses cograph pavement view plus okay it's used across the United States it's one of the more common pavement evaluation assessment programs for priori prioritizing good reconstruction and maintenance efforts there so okay good job thank you um I know that Miss farmer had mentioned as far as a safety is and that is our primary concern with our streets is a safety issue but a secondary issue for us also is of course as we try to recruit new business into our community you know they do a drive-thru a lot of times and they take a look at our at our infrastructure conditions or road conditions and that could either be a seller for them or it could be something that they decide no the city we wait real quick till we have our quter back good take a little break well it cost money for some of us to be on the city council I'm just saying that this is I just want people in public to know that we sacrifice he's got to take care of that yes see what no she can't she cannot accommodate the

[2:23:43] quum right oh we is that right quum present we have to have a quum present and then miss farmer can be added to a quum that is she can't she doesn't but she can't become the quum so that's what's going on I can't do you're not you're not you cannot we like you become the you're not the Quorum that makes this meeting possible you can be at we don't like you enough to be a quorum yeah taking me to Executive session I'm sorry I had to take that did you say executive session man you the whole shut it down and it is no yes we could just be done yeah we could just leave okay Clinton thank you we appreciate it good job good job we have also another big issue that's that's come up numerous times of course is the police the police department the building and I know the the chief is here also he um if you have any questions I know that may talked a little bit about that a little while ago as far as um some of the options that we may have you know for that building but that is something of course that I'll tell you right now I the chief took me for a tour of that building month and a half ago a couple of months back and I I was really surprised with the condition of the building it just really requires not a lot of work but just we just need to go somewhere else and I know that I've heard it numerous times from from all of you also as far as that is a priority I don't know we need to speak to too much on that subject other than say that that is a priority and let's find a way to make this happen think we it's madej your list only I mean the only issue was you heard just now there's $55 Million worth of Street issues and and this and this and this and so when we hired The Architects and they came back and we ended up with a facility cost that was really high it it stopped the process we just need to give

[2:25:46] it momentum again get it going again get started Ed saying okay we can't we can't swallow that bite uh but we can make another bite let's go ahead and get going again so that's what's happened we just lost momentum when when we got to that point and the number was that high it just kind of killed everything and so now we just need to get momentum going again and say okay we couldn't do that but we can do something and get going again and because you heard Miss farmer thinks it's a high priority Mr Alexander thinks it's a high priority m i mean there's not anybody miss Mr hfield and me and Morris and every you know every one of us is sitting here saying that's a high priority okay we just uh we just when we got to the number it shut us down and we thought we don't have the our feeling was we don't have the borrowing capacity at the moment uh you know remember that last year we looked heavily uh Mr Val well I don't know if you saw this in preparing to come here or not but we looked heavily at our borrowing capacity because we know that in order to really make a bite against the street problem it would be nice maybe to do some bonding and and do some things that way particularly on the ones not on not on seal coating that lasts seven years but on reconstruction okay it maybe less expensive so we looked at some things and said you know we might ought to borrow some money and reconstruct some of these streets that have absolutely been devastated but we came away from that saying look we don't we you know we really don't have enough debt capacity to get carried away here and all of a sudden if you're making debt capacity judgments against a police facility or Street construction or because we don't have that debt capacity for all of it correct so it it is a big priority I think everyone supports it we got sidetracked by the fact that it came in so high we need to but we've got a

[2:27:50] build momentum for it again and move again and get it done uh but the debt capacity will be part of the equation and U and in lowering the number is going to have to be part of the equation also so I but I don't think anyone I mean I think everyone here really wants to see that replaced okay so very good we were also wow y'all got really snowy all of a sudden you still there we're still here we're still here can you hear us yeah yes but we also went through the big waterline bust and then got a report of overall of the city what it was going to take dollarwise to replace infrastructure in water lines and you know the PD because of the sticker shock and the water problems just kept getting bumped year after year and kind of the what was it Mr Mi used to say the Forgotten for anyway but we just we need to get going again with reference to streets what I wanted to say is when I first Council I I was very very adamant that we pay as we go the limit our borrowing but with streets uh it's very clear that that is borrowing that really has to be because we can't pay as we go and keep up because we're so far behind is that a fair statement we'll definitely be assessing that to determine whether that's actually the the case you know so I know that we have a lot of needs at this point as I mentioned a while ago that's $450 million in in needs as far as different projects Capital Improvement projects so that's why I just definitely want to make sure that we're prioritizing and understand what those priorities are and that way um we can start planning for that I think we got it right okay I've got one quick question go I like to backtrack the streets because there's folks out there that think that this Council doesn't understand the streets the condition and we do we know the condition the bad conditions some of these roads are but I want to set the record straight once and for all and it's it's been said before the 1/8

[2:29:54] cents bit of the half cent sales tax how is that going to work or is it not does it go have to go to election what what is the bottom line on that so just to uh educate the viewer I it it requires an election it's a it would set aside part of the money that comes in with the type B 4 Cent sales four half cent sales tax you would probably you you'd go to election the community could support it and it would have a time a time frame to it and it's a four-year time frame and so and so for that four years 1/8 of one cent goes into a fund for Street construction the reason that that I have not supported that approach is because the needs are big okay and that brings in a certain amount of money but it's not it's not a substantial amount of money uh one and two it it necessarily causes a reallocation of those half cent sales taxes so in other words if you are funding streets out of that you are not funding Economic Development or or if you are funding streets out of that you are not funding the long-term water project so under the under the way it's set up currently 72 cents out of every tax dollar brought in uh well way it's set up currently if there's a project in the works like the one at the airport the one at the river the one at the Cattle barn that those are being funded as they finish like the cattle Barn's nearly finished right when that project is finished the money that that was funding it now starts funding long-term water and economic development and and so I don't want the street issue to to be competing for the economic velopment funds and I don't want it competing for the long-term water funds so I personally would rather just say

[2:31:56] look if we are going to borrow money or uh or if we're going to fund this let's just fund it I mean do it out of General funds take these excess dollars with an economic uh you know the economic uh impct impact that's coming take some of the excess dollars and specifically set them aside and say this is for Street construction uh consider your debt capacity and and right now looking over there look you your priorities are reduce the property tax rate do something with streets do something with a new police facility those three are the top three things and so you'd look at your debt capacity to see if General obligation bonds bonds or revenue bonds are are part of the the structure but my own opinion is that going to get a vote to have money for four years that is that is by its very nature taking money out of long-term water and out of economic development's not the right way to go so that's agree but I explain a little different but some people say it is economic development to fix your streets okay but what I'm saying is and I have to tell people this if you fund $14 million on the river and you you know all the different projects we're doing they they've all been we started we owe money we owe money every year to pay those back and if you cut off our source we have to go get it from the general fund we don't just we don't get to stop paying it back or pay back less money it's you know so you have to find the money somewhere so you're going to steal from the general fund one way or another well that's there there's certainly that's certainly a way of saying it also okay but I mean again as those are paid for then it's long-term water or Economic Development right and so that's why I'm using those two as the long term that's where that money would true longm yeah they're both but but I would just say again you have to go you have to go find the money let's not find it that way let's just have the courage to find it another way either through debt or through general fund set aside or through I mean find the money and find the same amount of money but leave that

[2:33:58] money doing what it's already doing that's all I leave those buckets alone that's how I would do it if we don't have long-term water we don't need streets we okay I know we've addressed a lot of uh points I mean a lot of issues as far as a lot of priorities at this point is there anything else you can think of outside of what's I mean there's a lot that's been covered that you would like to address also as a priority from as far as any other area I I would like to possibly address a reporting system to make it maybe easier it maybe more complicated and and it's Rick's fault if yall don't like it this is Rick's fault few years ago he did a a Graft in his computer he kept up with the sports complex the stages that they were in what has been done completed how much had drawn out where they expected to be you were Target date goal date behind report easy report to read uh to know where we were and I you know we've got um the Strategic plan we've got the comprehensive plan we've got all these different reports that I've dug out and been reading the last few days and all of those reports were on just one page or two page spread out of the same kind of where we are are we Ono On Target or behind the airport a various different projects in a report I find that that's an overcap of the big detailed reports I'm not say doing away with the big details but for printing and give us an overcap you know quarterly to know where we are are in each of these areas Capital Improvements our balance what our storm water balance is or the fees that we're anticipating or the projects in there to be more readily aware of is that easier to do and a report in the computer as each something is done instead of these huge huge huge huge reports that you know we dig through to read to find the fact they're here if we need to dig through to explain something but at least I've got an overview have you interested in an overview like that M farmer actually U

[2:36:01] it's it's that's a really good point that you made as a matter of fact Michael and I were just talking about that this last week and you'll notice actually in in the outline that I gave you under the 10-step Strategic mapping process under performance measurements you'll see the dashboard View and that's a onepage view of the progress as far as performance measurements and where we are so that's that's exactly what we're trying to establish uh of course if ever you need access to any of that information that um that is shown on the dashboard view we'll have that extensive information but really in order for us to really monitor uh to see what progress we're making it's it's it's much better just to be able to look at one page and say hey you we're doing really well at this point but if you have a question absolutely we can go into more detail but that's what I mean by the Dashboard uh dashboard view is to make sure that all all the priorities are not just put in actionable steps but also in performance measurements that are very easy to read it was easy with a constituent called you know where are oh this time we lost you or she stinking I wonder if her computer's cold it might be it's frozen she needs a heat pack if it is I think she uh okay that's why I guess the Corum doesn't depend on her you can't trust the you're okay how do we know that's I have aor how do we know that okay th this is already should be pce and is not but this is to me super important for uh infrastructure uh zoning and and things like dredging or other issues at Lake nasworthy Gateway planning has got to get in there it's it's it's p it's overdue it's it's just uh I I think it's it's not a good situation when somebody can't come in and invest because they don't know what's going to happen around them and we want to get government out of the way we have to get our planning out of the way so they can do that stuff so what's the hold up I don't know what the hold of is but but Gateway it's been approved Gateway is supposed to come in have public um sessions about what do

[2:38:03] you want and get all the residents it's Angelo involved and it's made the list but but it's sub and we need to internally we need to go in and and you and find out but I'm worried about the kown shell problem growing and this gets smothered and never happens it could happen if we don't actually AJ AJ does have a report on that too so but I mean I even agree that's why I was saying earlier that's why I was saying earlier that it's going to be important that we have the self-discipline to stay after some of these plans that there you go okay okay and you paid for them oh we did so let's run by them let's go by them let's not rape the the benefits there you go you know and it's people are waiting there's a lot of things hinch on that thing anything else as far as objectives and and priorities I think we're good now great what he just said was that uh we we went through item five and item six is a journ so nothing else is on the agenda you can I always like to make a motion on that uh move all right I have a motion in a second to adjer all those in favor please say I I we're adjourned

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