San Angelo City Council 10-5-12

[0:00:00] [Music] good morning let's go ahead and open the session and call the meeting to order at this time I'd like to ask uh councilman HFI to lead us in prayer most gracious and Heavenly Father we give you thanks for the many blessings that you bestow upon us every single day we sit here today and give you many many thanks for all the rain that we recently received and the wonderful things that that has done and will do for our community and again we ask you to continue to bless us and bring us more rain and um we look forward to the many blessings you bring upon us in your holy name we pray amen amen amen that's this is going to be a group effort today so I look forward to doing the pledges with uh the junior high uh group from amide school of St Angelo and they're accompanied today by one of their teachers Rebecca idala and so y'all please join me and let's uh handle the prayers or the pledges already handled the

[0:02:18] prayer Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God divisible with liy and justice for all the Texas flag i al to Texas one state God one indivisible [Applause] today is a special meeting and so the the agenda for today is simply one item this is the discussion on drought stages and Water Management measures under the water conservation and drought con Mercy plan we have a presentation today from our water utilities director will Wy good morning thank you mayor and Council it certainly is a a welcome change to come to you today and to to bring you an update on on what things are looking like after the very wonderful rains last week and what we'll do this morning is first go through kind of an update on our water supply status to to show you what affect the rains and the runoff had in our different water supply facilities and going through these we're going to start with our local lakes first of all Lake nasworthy uh you're going to see several photos here uh aerial shots of the water supply areas taken by Brian Groves out of our public information office so we're very appreciative of Brian of getting these these shots for us here

[0:04:20] Lake nesworthy uh has one principal uh stream that flows into it Pecan Creek unfortunately during this rain event Pecan Creek did not see any kind of inflow to it so what masw they experienced was just the rain from the localized area there uh 6 Plus Ines FL uh falling directly on the reservoir as well as that runoff from right adjacent to it uh did contribute to it uh some of the before and after shots some of the areas around Lake nasworthy as you can see uh with the the reduction in the reservoir this past summer had dried up and now are are seeing water covering those areas again uh some of the boat facilities the boat houses around around the Lakes the docks like that uh you can see quite a dramatic change on those uh the lake itself picked up a little over, 1300 acre feet of water what does that mean uh that was about a 13in rise in the elevation of the reservoir itself uh at this point in time uh that certainly has has improved from where we're at but it still remains about a little over a foot below uh the normal operating reel that we we tend to hold nasworthy at uh it would take about 1200 acre feet of water to bring it up to that that level the next Reservoir a local one twin bees Reservoir which is split into two different pools within the reservoir itself the North Pool on the reservoir has two major uh streams that feed into the main body of the lake here first the one out into the distance that you can see right here is a Spring Creek uh Dove Creek connection actually Dove Creek ties into Spring Creek before it hits the main pool of the reservoir here both of those uh streams saw very good runoff uh coming into the reservoir uh during the rain event the other stream you see here is the the leg of the middle Concho which goes up toward the Arden Road area the middle conso saw very little flow in it and I I don't know if any of that water actually reached the reservoir in spite of that the middle pool did see uh some very good water coming to it uh the pool uh picked up a little over 6,000 acre feet into the North Pool of the

[0:06:23] reservoir about a 7.4 ft rise in the vertical uh increase in the elevation on the reservoir there the other part of twin Beach Reservoir the south pool uh also saw some increase in the res in its its content and on this one too you can see coming in in the mid part of the photograph is the South Contra River and you can barely see in the very end background here is the south conro is heads toward Christoval the South cono did run uh some not near as much as Dove Creek and Spring Creek but it did contribute to a little over 1,400 acre feet of water into the south pool of the reservoir here and on this particular part of the reservoir here where you do see the water this is what's normally called the borrow pit for twin be Reservoir when they were constructing the dam uh the soil they needed to build the embankment for the dam a large portion of it was taken out of this area right here and then hence that's why it's called the borrow pit where the soil was taken to build the dam so a lot of the water that comes into here is then then stored within this particular part of the reservoir here with that increase of about 1,400 acre feet uh it saw a 5T vertical rise on the south pool of of twin butes and looking back then uh how does this compare between the total increase of a little over 8,000 acre feet into the twin bees this will put us back to about the same point in time we were in September of 2011 the other Reservoir local one OC Fisher reservoir uh a shot of it after the rains on September 30th uh show that we do have some water up up in OC Fisher again the before and after photographs of OC Fisher that Brian was able to take get for us uh the one on the left side uh shows before uh the rain events a completely dry Reservoir Basin here the only place you'll see any little blue is right at the entrance to the gate structure so in essence the reservoir was completely dry the afterwards certainly a good increase right there picked up a little over 2,000 acre feet of water and the water now at the gate structure is a little over 6 ft deep uh

[0:08:25] at the at the entrance to the gate on there and similarly when was the last time this Reservoir was at this level was back in January of 2011 well you don't have an A before shot on the twin boots do you uh no I don't okay the other reservoirs that uh are are part of our overall water supply system uh EV Spence Reservoir up at Robert Lee uh as you can see saw a very dramatic change in its content it was down to less than 1,000 acre feet uh no water was really usable out of that anymore uh jumped up to over 28,000 acre feet so net of over 27,500 acre feet increase in the water supply and EV Spence Reservoir most of this water that came in Spence came off of what's called Beals Creek and Beals Creek is kind of like the contro river is to the uh Colorado going into Avy bills Creek feeds into the Colorado River just above EV Spence Reservoir and bills Creek drains all of the area going from Spence toward Big Spring so a very very large drainage basin area that brought that water in into EV Spence Reservoir and the other thing that we've that has been found at this point in time is some of the preliminary water quality samples on Spence indicate that the water quality should be considerably improved the chloride levels uh which had been uh very high were in in the 250 to 300 part per million range so is a very considerable Improvement in water quality coming into that reservoir uh the other our primary water supply Source OH Ivy reservoir uh was the big big winner on the runoff this time from a content of almost 65,000 AC feet up to over 142 right at 143,000 acre feet in the water in the reservoir of this morning so it picked up almost 77 to 78,000 acre feet in essence a 15t vertical rise in the overall Reservoir itself so it more than doubled in size in content and came up 15 ft uh certainly improving uh the condition of that Reservoir the last time uh Ivy was

[0:10:29] at this particular level uh looking back in time was June of 2011 so a little over a year ago uh this is where Ivy would have been at that point in time to summarize uh just to show you then uh it's it's certainly welcome to look at these numbers as we look at the the contents of the reservoirs uh showing some very positive numbers here and certainly this is a lot better than what we saw in the past on the change in those contents before these had always been negative numbers so it's very very satisfying to be able to show you something on on the good side here a net overall increase over 11 16,700 acre feet increase of of water into the the the five local reservoirs that we we have water rights associated with so with that where does it bring us to as far as our water supply status and looking at at what do we have uh on our water supply status we do two things in looking at that first of all we'll look at what is the city City's needs how does that compare to this Supply that's a able in determine the city needs we'll take what is the typical usage uh throughout the various months of a year we'll look at that over a 2-year period and then we'll apply against that where is that Supply going to come from uh our First Source that we would use is the water coming from o Ivy Reservoir which is again uh our principal Supply will take off of that need what is available from Ivy Reservoir and then meet the rest of that need from either twin butes uh OC Fisher or lake nasworthy even though expense is part of our water supply system the facilities to deliver that water here are not operational at this time so even though we could have the potential for some of that we cannot use that in our calculations until that would be a viable Source at this point in time so looking at those other sources that are available right here uh Tak in consideration what they can supply to us then we come down to what is our our water supply status applying those those criteria uh the supply that we have available to at this point in time is AD adequate to meet the projected needs of the city over the

[0:12:31] next 22 months so certainly an increase uh of where we were less than 12 months just a week ago uh now we're up to 22 months almost a two-year Supply available from those developed water supply sources and then applying that into our water management plan within the water conservation drath contingency plan uh the trigger point for drath level one is when we're less than a 24mon water supply but greater than uh an 18-month water supply class we fall into the category where we would meet the trigger point for draft level one and as we say the the criteria for that are met and to then briefly kind of what does it mean if we're into draft level one since we've been into draft level ones two and N three currently N3 and looking at the current time period through the summer of the growing season April through October drought level one uh versus drth level two you can see the comparison in the one uh the watering of Lawns is allowed twice a week twice every seven days during the growth growing season versus once a week under drought level too uh golf courses are all simal throughout that time period uh the new landscape allowance is is applicable under DRFT level one or under DRFT level two it would not be allowed you could only water the new landscape once every s days uh as as the other watering be allowed uh the dormant season through the winter months which we're fixing to be there in November through March uh the levels between uh level one and drought level two are very similar once every 14 days once every two weeks for watering of Lawns of any kind of landscape outside so uh very little difference through the winter time is is watering of of landscape materials uh probably the biggest difference comes into play as we go into the search charge uh tables under drath level one uh the search charges begin at 25,000 gallons where at drath level two they begin at 10,000 gallons and the rates go instead of at 2,000 on the initially or at 3,00 $2 they're at $3.50 so uh not to belabor all those but you can see there

[0:14:34] is the bit the differences that would apply as far as the sear charges very similar under the commercial areas under the draft level two the sear charges would become effective uh at 60,000 under two under draft level one they become effective at 75,000 gallons there so to to bring it down to our final recommendation then based upon the criteria and the water supply available we would recommend implementation uh and Adoption of the resolution that we have for you to implement draft level one uh the effective date for that resolution or the implementation of it would be next week Monday October the 8th and then the change of the SE charges uh with draft level one will become effective with the November billing okay thank you questions questions for the presentation or a motion I have one going back will on the ohiv I know we that I believe with Midland Odessa how much of that 142,000 can we use is ours as far as the projection on that we base it upon our allowable pumping at this point in time uh which is about 12.2 million gallons per day about almost 14,000 acre feet per year our annual allotment without any kind of restriction is 15,000 acre feet a year but at this point in time the dist the district the Colorado Riv Municipal Water District has not revised any of those pumping limitations so we still have to uh plan our water usage based upon our current allowances I would like to I would like to see I understand that we received quite amount of u rain I understand that our levels are up our our water tables are up uh and that we have enough water to move from drought level three into another stage however I would like to see us stay in drought level three because just because we have the water does not mean that we need to use the water I would like to remind everyone that although we receive sufficient rainfall uh to bring up some of the water tables that we are

[0:16:37] still in a drought and we put a lot of things on Hickory uh we have some things in place as it relates to water usage and car washes and Etc and I I would like to see those things stay the way they are um because I just see this as a license for people to go back and start abusing uh the natural resource that we have the rain which we waited so long to receive okay sir um Mr hille then miss farmer um I I'm I'm kind of similar to you however I believe that uh uh we need to get off of drought level three I believe that we should be jumping to back to Drought level two not to Drought level one because again because the watering restrictions is not that significantly different between the two but it's it will still encourage conservation because you're right we're not out of this drought this is not a get out of jail free card this was simply buying us some time allowing us a breather to uh to catch our breath and and uh kind of regroup um so I would support moving to Drought level two and you know because really when you look at it when we get through the winter winter time uh you know we'll we'll have to head to Drought level two in the spring anyway I mean if if we're at 22 months now you take off the months we'll be going there anyway and come March or so so that would be my recommendation as to uh drought level two okay M Barm I have a statement and then I have a question for will my statement is is uh based on the number of phone calls and text messages that I have received basically begging us not to roll back to two to leave it at three that this is one rain event 6 in of which we're very very thankful to the Lord for uh but let's not get ahead of ourselves let's continue to conserve and leave this alone until spring whenever

[0:18:42] we could then move to two and possibly one depending on the rest of our Reigns and I happen to agree with them I I conservatively feel that we need to be very cautious very cautious with this gift and we don't don't need to be confusing the issue and the people out there by rolling back rolling forward and going back and forth they stay confused so the consensus that I have been receiving would prefer just to stay at 3 for the time being my question to you will is I I'm not questioning you or doubting you in in your ability please understand that but I I need to have a better Comfort level to be able to ensure to my constituents on how our availability is based what how you figure it uh you know I can pretty much tell them well you know a lake area covers so many acres and then so many acres that are covered equals so much depth and we add that and subtract for um evaporation and um basically that's about all I know as to how you actually figure the volumes of water that we have out there could you give the folks out there that that are viewing for television that purposes are in the audience a little bit better understanding of my understanding as to how we actually measure the availability of the water right as far as that is as we've noted we take what is the city's requirement what are we going to need over the some over a time period we typically base that upon the two-year time frame we look at in the future here and then we start subtracting off of that where we're going to get that Supply from uh as OH Ivy has been our primary Supply our most Dependable Supply we utilize it as meeting the first part of that need once we subtract that from it what is the remaining then we apply what is available from our local sources to determine what's available from our local sources is when we start taking into consideration uh the evaporation losses on those reservoirs uh historically around 60 in of evaporation had had been utilized on

[0:20:46] this the last two years we've seen a considerable increase over that so we're tending to increase the evaporation losses in our projections over the time period so we're subtracting that off what is available and then applying the remainder of that to me and that evaporation number fluctuates because of the temperatures we're going into the dormant months so the temperatures are less so our evaporation is less is less through the from now through March okay okay Mr I have a lot to say um first there are jobs on the line here there are landscape companies out there that want to plant a plant and in drought level three if they plant the plant they can't water it and so if they can't water it they can't service that customer they just release that person that had a job had one because the city of San Angelo is in drought level three and scared to come out of it when there's really not an emergency um you know I see the drought as a blessing and I don't maybe I don't see it like everybody else but I see it as uh you know we've been praying for rain and praying for rain maybe we should have been praying for strength to get through these droughts because we need a a bigger heftier water system uh something more dependable for San Angelo and we have to do more we can't just sit where we are this is not the same drought level one as it was before because last time we were in this drought at level one we didn't have the hoger and and then we were looking at it saying okay maybe it'll get here and then we won't be able to treat the radium in it and we don't have enough capacity for four or five months to you know we had 71% the capacity we needed to just run the water inside our homes that was the situation coming up next September through Christmas you know the the new well Fields would not be completed by then so this all these gaps have closed we can now uh at the end of this drought level uh when we run out of water if it doesn't rain again we have a full functioning highly likely full functioning hicory oaper on board that has enough capacity to service all our

[0:22:49] indoor needs and probably a little bit of outdoor needs as well so it's not the same as it was before uh something else I want to say is I ran a poll on facebook.com/ angelat Texas and there were 92 or so respondents 63% of those respondents want us to artificially hold back the drought level uh of those 54% want stage three 9% want stage two and nobody just arbitrarily said stage one what they the rest said the 34% that are left they said stick to the ordinance that ordinance worked very well psychologically we are wall on the edge of our seats thinking water is very precious let's conserve it so by going through the stages methodically we prepared our public methodically to how to think about these drought levels and think about what we have left in our in our Lakes so we had drought level one two and three three times went to the public and said we're changing the drought level it's getting more serious most don't follow every detail but they know the drought level and so when we start to to inch in on this drought level towards three again psychologically people gear up for it and and become more responsive if we don't have these steps you know they it's proven to work so we don't have the steps will it work are we hurting ourselves we have a system that is flawless I don't I don't see a problem in the drought level system yet over many many years it has worked very well so I understand that we looking at a lake OC Fisher that will dry up again this next summer uh we have have a dead North contra uh the the twin bees looks pretty low I I I see all that but we have bigger things over the horizon uh drat levels are reactive let's be proactive let's look at what we can do we can find new sources of water to diversify our portfolio we can initiate policies at the city level that minimize losses losses in our water systems there's lots of places to do it

[0:24:52] we can move Lakes from move the South Pole to the North Pole we already started that in August uh so we know we can do that we can use our fluent water there there's things we can do to be more proactive uh lastly we got we have to practice conservation a way that yields savings most effectively we can try to save water right now but it may not be effective so what is most effective so let's be proactive uh this drought has spurred on Midland and abene to work with s Angelo last time we were here they weren't it was kind of sketchy it was difficult to get Midland to work with us now they're full full blast working with us they're sincere about this partnership they're sincere about finding new water sources and let me just say that that's about all we can say about that relationship that we are allowed to discuss in executive session plans because we're acquiring land water rights and when we're doing that we are allowed in executive sessions discuss these things in fact we're not allowed to come out here and tell you anything about what we said in an executive session it's confident information all I can say is we have Midland a huge economic Powerhouse behind us in aene bigger economic Powerhouse than we are we can really reach a lot further than we used to and and so these plans are are evolving moving forward they weren't last time we were here uh so that's a long-term water supply that we might be looking at uh for the first time in our City's history we started looking at our fluent water that's the treated sewer water that we sent out to the Farms to the east of town we can use part of that water for our parks golf courses we can maybe even send some of it Downstream like they do in Dallas Dallas sends their affluent water down the Trinity River and eventually goes to Houston and other other areas they'll drink it so Houston's drinking Dallas's affluent water in effect but it cleans up Rivers clean up the water we could send that Downstream is instead of releasing nasw the water we could send our fluent water

[0:26:56] we could do this in a number of years years uh that's more information I can't reveal but but we can do that and so this when you look at two years of water plus 5 years of water in the Hickory that's seven years before we get in real trouble last time we had this radium problem this time is not the same thing hang on I got to I need to back you up and let you do your math okay you're you know when you say you have two years of water plus 5 years in the Hickory I need you to that because you have a lot more than 5 years worth of water in the hick the hick aquifer has about a million acre feet of water San Angelo needs about 10,000 acre feet just to cruise along indoors maybe 9,000 indoors okay we get the bank currently 2750 acre feet a year we Bank it like a piggy bank well our piggy bank next year will have 37,000 acre feet in it we need 9,000 for indoors that's four years of water but over those four years we'll Bank another year at least so really have about 5 years of water in the Hickory 2 years from now so we have seven years of water without getting ourselves in a lot of trouble in Stan Angelo Texas okay all right moving on when a when we we had naturally occurring streams and we went and Damned up these streams and made lakes and rivers we've learned how to move our water from the South Pole to the North Pole we did it a long time ago in the 80s uh but we also did it this August 1st let's Steven Brown let's take this notion that it is it saves water to move the water from the South Pole to the North Pole I think it saves 3200 acre feet a year okay these are preliminary figures based on what we lose in the EQ Channel Farmers taking water around the uh South Pole they're probably connected in somehow uh I think that we should look at or Stephen your your board the

[0:28:58] water Advisory Board should look at that on April 1st if we are in drought level of any kind on April 1st we move that water automatically and if we enter a drought level before July 1st so if we enter drought level one June 30th then we'd start initiating moving that water at that point in time I think it needs to be a part of our water conservation ordinance so we don't bring it to the council every time it needs to be well thought out and implemented such that we save that water and and over a 2-year period that's around 6,000 acre feet but there's some evaporation some losses it is still a lot of water and we need to do that that's proactive thinking so here we are we're going to maybe think about going to Drought level three when we should have moved our water in the South Pole to the North Pole in April and we would have saved an enormous amount of water there's not a need to go to Dr level three when you can save water we can save water the city of San Angelo that much water uh I also think that let me say one more thing have we moved that water lake nasworthy would not not have had to drop that the drop in Lake nasworthy is because there was not enough water in the North Pool and so when we move that water we also stabilize Lake nasworthy which stabilizes our economy so also we can look at uh between the naswi the dam and the water treatment plant there are three Lakes there's medf Ben fickin and Lone Wolf Lakes those things used to be virgin streams little bitty thin things that didn't lose a lot of water and then we swell them up like big rivers and they lose 1.1 cubic feet a second to evaporation and 5 5 .9 cubic feet a second underground in the summer we don't have a reading in the winter to know what we lose underground in the winter uh there's a couple thousand acre feet there that's being lost every year I think we should seek permits to install pipes so we can release that water and streamline that when we get to Drought level two or three uh on the horizon there's there's thinking and plans being made to capture storm water uh people say that is an obvious thing we should always be doing on Facebook page we are planning we are thinking about that just how about how

[0:31:03] to go about that uh and then the numbers are not small they're they're large captures if we can if we can do that uh that was not in the pipe in the in the pipe I shouldn't say that but it was not in the works last time we're in drought level one that can be done it seems like to me it can be done fairly quick certainly in under seven years um and lastly the water per capita usage in San Angelo has dropped since 1998 we used to use 23,300 acre feet of water per year that's 1998 that's our Peak we have it down to around 14 to 16,000 acre feet a year so say 15,000 acre feet a year and we've grown as a city in size since then so and will shed it before he could show us right here again if you had the slide we use less water per capita fairly consistently every year that's because we're becoming more water uh conscience we put and lowf flow toilets uh showerheads that are lowf flow uh this takes place over time and it gets better and better we're doing better and better we are conservation-minded and I don't think we need level three to remind us of that uh so does the stairstep drought level plan work like it should I talked about the psychology it's Flawless it's worked every single time I wouldn't touch it but the other thing is is when you have lakes with 22 months of water in them they have a lot of surface area and you would be amazed at how much of that water evaporates every year just the average is 62 in in 2011 it was double that about 120 in with all that surface area if we save a gallon of water now next year and then next year about two years from now we don't get a gallon of water later you don't you don't Bank it like you do the Hickory when it's underground it evaporates so you get maybe a half gallon savings so you save a gallon now you get a half gallon later it's not a it's not a one for one ratio but when the water levels go down and the surface area decreases it's a better ratio it's not it's more like let's just say your gallon save gets you8 gallons later it's a better ratio

[0:33:08] and so what that says is as the as we have less and less water create more and more stringent restrictions that system when they match up like that that's a that's a good effective system for saving water and so can you tell that I live and breathe water as a servant for this city that I study I know and I think about these things all the time it it doesn't take a rainstorm or a drought to get me to do this I've been doing this for two years I'm very confident in the supply of water in St Angelo Texas we do not need level three and put people out of jobs level two is is acceptable level one is where we should be because if it were level one then in 4 months we can initiate level two again before the summer ever gets here rain if it doesn't rain and psychologically that that triggers everybody to start conserving water even more if we don't have that trigger I mean what's the difference between level one and level two all winter long not much I think we want the trigger up the road it says we have 18 months of water left let's conserve more it's Flawless you know what I want level one that's where we should be it's Flawless it's always worked thank you Mr it's a long discourse I appreciate it I have a lot to say about it and lotss of reasons why Mr Silas well I've got a question and then a couple of comments and I'll keep it real short but my question is I know that uh according to the levels we have now by ordinance or by law we have to move into level one is that right level two what we don't have to where does it say where does it say if I might but I could wait I would direct us um and I'm asking I'm not saying it's say scheme that's set up in our ordinance and we're required to adhere to that council's action at this point after being advised that we are in a the drought stage uh that the director has indicated we are um it's just

[0:35:12] ministerial that you shall Implement that drought stage and so let's look at um section 1123b drought trigger point with States whenever the total amount of water available to the city Falls below the minimum criteria established for each water supply stage level the city shall be deemed to have entered in a drought stage for management of its water supply so my suggestion is that it's a fact that he has tell told us that the supply the criteria he's done the calculations it is a fact that we are in uh a different drought we not in level three okay and so then if you proceed to look uh at um the the next paragraph which states the water utilities director shall notify city manager and Council upon entering the threshold of the drought stage and then uh Council shall Implement so I think under the present ordinance your duties are ministerial you don't have the discretion to arbitrarily uh remain in a different uh drought stage and so I think that I would also point to out to you that that uh you have authorized by enacting this scheme and structure for managing the the and conserving water you um have designated the director of water utilities to administer this and state law requires us to have uh an authority to uh direct and implement the pl the plan which is what we is is doing and so I think to deviate and and uh from the Mandate of your ministerial duties to move and act in accordance with the plan the whole the the ordinance would have

[0:37:14] to be amended and it would have to allow that discretion I think there might be a a question about exceptions based on uh two weeks two or two Council meetings ago that you've um you have authority to accept provisions of the article this was not the intent it was not intended with those exceptions and I think will can address that um additionally but it was intended that groups could come and since they couldn't go through the variance process they could ask for exception to some of the limitations and restrictions but it's very important that we adhere to the scheme that's set out by ordinance and we we just don't have the ability for Council to arbitrarily uh dig their heels in so to speak and remain in a drought stage that factually we're deemed not to be in level three anymore if so that's that's what my recommendation is I've got some comments now and going through that you know over the last couple of week a week and a half I've heard more and more from people out there that I think water and and conservation are the two words that are that people are talking about so I'm glad that people are finally starting to say hey we are in Dire Straits you know even this 22- month supply I mean it is a shot in the arm but still uh people are starting to understand man it is smart for us to cons uh conservatee or one I'm more I'm leaning towards uh either one one or two there's not much that there there's not that much difference but I think if we can move into e either one of those but keep some stringent restrictions as far as usage I think we'll all be happy because again time and time again over the last week people have told told me hey keep it where we're at keep it where we're at

[0:39:17] and I think if we can keep it where we're at or move it one or two but still kind of you know put restrictions where where we can whether it's I like that drought level to uh Watering your Lawns or or shrubs maybe once every two weeks uh if we can pick and choose some restrictions I mean I guess that'd be good if we can but again people are saying keep it at three and I don't think we need to keep it at three we need to give a little flexibility but maybe not move uh all the way down to one you know that's that's what I'm hearing out there so well I understand I'm I read this exactly the way the City attorney reads it I don't think you have the authority to do anything except go to Drought level one I think that's what this says I don't think it keeps you from hang on one at a time here all right I I think that uh for lots of reasons we should go to Drought level one I think that it is a terrible mistake to stay in drought level three because what you're then saying is you don't care what the ordinance says you're smarter than the ordinance you're more capable than the ordinance you're more capable than than this Council as a whole you're more capable than recent and and historical councils and that you you've made a decision that's not based on what we said we would go by I think that causes a real loss of confidence in what we do here that you have to be data driven to give yourself an opportunity uh to tell people here's what the data says here's what we did and you do things on a very consistent basis that way uh I think consistency and people understanding what they can expect from you is very important and so from my perspective it's very important that we do what the data tells us to do uh now that said I also think you can make the case that that Mr Wy is being quite conservative with the data and so I applaud that I think that's fine but Mr Wy there are 3,000 acre feet we have a

[0:41:20] right to an ivy Reservoir and there are 28,000 acre feet over there now so the idea um in Spence Reservoir so the idea that we might could trade with Midland where it would be cheaper for them to take the water from Spence to Midland than from Ivy to Midland and use that 3,000 acre feet out of Ivy is not in your uh in your um calculation well his calculation is the right that' be that'd be fine in his projection is what the word I was looking for but calculation and so my perspective is that we have water and that people need to understand that when we have water we do things a certain way that water evaporates and when you're totally looking at what's going on on surface level water what you're doing when you say we're not going to use it is you're making the decision to let it go away and so there are some things here that just don't make sense to me I'd like to make sure we go by the ordinance I think the ordinance requires us to go by it and that we should be having this debate about whether we want to change the ordinance through a first reading a debate and then a second reading and all the kinds of things that that we do when we change an ordinance and so I don't think today is the day we're supposed to be doing that I think today is administerial in its approach and all we're supposed to be doing is listening to the administrator tell us here's what the facts say and then say Okay according to the facts let's put that in place and move on and then another day for those of you that think we should be being more restrictive you should be bringing the ordinance back up and saying I want to talk about the ordinance itself and we should have that debate then but for today I think the ordinance says do what he told us number one number two I think he's been quite conservative I think there's more water uh out there than he's able to say we could use and that we can make some some adjustments there and actually have more water and number three it evaporates when you don't use it and you number four when you're not consistent with the public then they don't know what to expect from you and and we need to be consistent the ordinance tells us what

[0:43:23] to do let's do what it says and if you want to change the ordinance then change the ordinance and then send that out to folks so that they get to study it understand it and and go by it as it moves along so those are the things that are on my mind I'd like to recognize Mr herfeld you know what I guess at first I when I reread the ordinance uh and then I re read through the um resolution we passed last week um when the available water this is item number four on the resolution when the edable water supply rises above the trigger point for Drought level three stage the director of water utilities May recommend to the city council termination of the drought level three St the resolution from last year out of consideration let's all find it and let me take a look at it with you sure okay where are you this is the resolution that we passed last week moving us to Drought level three I brought my own copy so I don't know if yall have a copy or not what you want to put it on the screen I have it on mine I'll just need to disconnect it from here I don't have any idea I may need

[0:45:26] some assistance from Brian it Alvin I I suggested moving water on April 1st and I forgot to put a cut off day I think that on October 1st we should never be moving water October 1st through April 1st it it doesn't make sense the evaporation is too low so I would throw that in as well for the uh water Advisory Board to throw that in O October 1st cease the pumping it just doesn't make sense and and we we're looking at that today as well and and that's my opinion why we have that time consistent with the ordinance though November's kind of the trigger point so again you want to think through all that I mean I'm saying when it says look at November through the we're going to do watering a certain way it's only will and his crew that looks at it um it really is at this point in time it's too late it takes three months to pump that water over um I'd rather see also us install permanent pipes that take it from South all the way to North and I was thinking about it we could bury those things 13 ft deep and extend them into the south pool and they and it could be sealed I you're only looking at a twoot wide trench for three pipes stacked on top of each other they can go all the way into that south pool and they flow on their own without pump some of those things are things we have talked about before in in uh one-onone session we didn't talk about there's also the thing that needs to move forward there and that we should again talk about on on another day when we're not administering this is is what we would like the city staff to do and what we would like to do with the Bureau of reation Reclamation okay I mean that's our next step and I I've talked recently with representative Derby about that and others because we're going to need a we're going to need a coalition of people that try to move forward okay can you see that mhm okay so follow you back to my

[0:47:34] question on uh when when you're reading through this thing it says the D the director waterer utilities May recommend to the city council termination the drought level three stage status and return to Drought level two State status or other recommendation and I guess I but he did and he he said drought level one that we have 22 months worth of water and the trigger for Drought level two is right around the corner we want to go through that trigger and and there's well and we no we don't want to go through the trigger what we want is to get enough rain that we don't have to we don't want to skip the trigger and we don't want to skip the trigger that I agree with Mr Mayor I'll concur with your with with how we're reading this I I had maybe looked and interpreted some of the some of the readings on this a little bit different and I I will concur I'll agree with our City attorney thank you thank you Mr held okay okay I'm I'm going to make the motion that we follow the administerial advice administrative advice of the director of water utilities Mr Wy and and at this point inact drought level drought level one which is what I think the ordinance requires us to do and I'll second now with all respect to the mayor I just have to say this you made the comment that if we don't do this we're acting um we're taking a position that we're smarter than the ordance that's true but I believe we've already taken that position at our last council meeting when we made the exceptions for the car washing and for the swimming pools and Etc right and I I know I have the ordinance in in in front of me uh Mr Alexander brought up some very good points but I think that we need to understand that you know we we know hickory's coming we anticipated its arrival but Hickory is not here yet it's not here yet and even Mr Alexander said it's highly likable we won't get any

[0:49:35] more rain so I appreciate the ordinance I I just had to say that Mr yeah Mr Adams let me apologize for any offense that I caused because the fact no but seriously because the truth is sometimes when you're in the act of of standing up for what you think you say some things that if you if you were u a little more thoughtful you'd be more eloquent so I don't think that that I would want you to be characterized as thinking you're smarter than uh previous councils I wish I had not said something like that okay uh that said there is a motion in a second on the floor okay I'm looking for further discussion or for I've got a couple okay go ahead M will or Rick or somebody so if we go to one does that mean we're going to open up the gates as far as the parks being watered and we're going to go back to square one we just going to open everything up again and we need to go back and address the ordinance that's the proper steps and they're exactly right that is the proper step that we need to do or we could we could table this and then address it or could we not could we not still take two readings to change it's not going to do anything for you okay I just I just I understand what I heard out there people say please you know just take care of our water you know make the right choice that you know so we can all conserve so as long as people understand that hey if we go to one if we vote to take it to one we're still going to be looking at conservation you know we're not just opening the gates again for those folks to AR abuse okay I do argue that uh that is a drought stage level it's not it does encourage conservation and I remind you Mr sylvus that uh people have to buy water for us to be able to afford to buy chlorine to treat their water sure and they have to buy water for us to be able to provide new pipes and and infrastructure for them and so when we can sell water we need to sell water

[0:51:38] that's part of allowing us to have the economic means to withstand terrible droughts and so I'm not saying not going to one I'm just saying that people at least uh so people understand that hey we we are looking at the best interest of the the city as a whole you know we're not just going to yes sir you know leave it wide open all over again and get back to uh to the levels being as low as they were last time so yes sir okay well there's a motion in a second further questions or comments Miss farmer just a comment that um you know I fear having a really good explanation to the people out there if we move to one and I really don't want to say what I would like to do until I hear from our water board or from the folks out there in theice audience I I really want to hear what their General perception and understanding it is of what we're doing here before I I will open I will certainly open it for a public comment and again I just think the ordinance tells you what you're going to do under law okay let's uh open up for public comment morning ladies and gentlemen I'm Steven Brown I'm Vice chairman your water Advisory Board I would like to point out a couple of issues that that the mayor um Point uh pointed toward you're probably are conservative in the amount of water that is available I point make two points the Colorado River Municipal Water District likely will'll begin utilizing Spence water for delivery to Midland allesa and Big Spring and Snider by stepen can you talk into the mic oh because it is cheaper to Pump from expense than it is from ivy for those sources that will allow Ivy to sustain itself probably um for us and others like abalene in addition uh I will point out

[0:53:41] that the springs on South conso Spring Creek and Dove Creek are likely in a recharge position and from late November through the early April you're likely to see a net gain in Twin mes and probably in the South cono with the weather pattern as it is we are seeing now and we're seeing a potential for another rain event next weekend not necessarily like the one we just had but they're predicting a 3 to 4 day rain event potential at this point and if the weather pattern is breaking as the weather service has said and we're going out of L into El Nino we are likely to have a wetter fall and wetter spring than we have known if that is the case there's no question in my mind and I've watched it and I have some experience over 47 years in this community you will see twin but's gain between now and April particularly after the frost occurs you also have the ability to utilize OC Fisher during this spring months because it already has been decimated ecologically because it dried up this summer now you've got 2,000 acre feet to use and you can manage it and will knows how to manage it even though you've got a River Project going on you can lower the level and you can let it out as you need it and pick it up at Bell and use it and that's 2,000 ACR feet if you don't use it's going to be lost next summer to evaporation and that doesn't even assume that we may get another rain because the north cono ran all the way from Water Valley down and it put about 2,000 acre feet into OC Spring Creek ran Dove Creek got on a 10- foot rise the South cono got on a rise and that doesn't even count what may happen between now and July of next year if we get additional range on the ivy Watershed so I think the ordinance is clear and I think the mayor is exactly correct in his uh his

[0:55:44] statements to you about the capability of our water supply public comment please good morning good morning Council and uh my name's Jerry C I've been uh I've been in around some conversations that were very interesting and uh I walked away from those conversations and not saying a word and that's unusual for me anybody know me I'm always going to say something but some of the people are here today I'm I'm for keeping this uh this drought level three and the reasons for that is uh you know there's always some good comes out of bad the bad thing was we had a drought you had to learn how to manage it so we came up with this drive level three okay and the good thing out of that is we've learned to live with that okay now uh uh the good thing that came with that we have some rain so that gave us a little bank account okay now that we have it you're ready to spend it already but see we have water on the way we know that already that's a good thing and there's another good thing last week or so uh uh one of the councilmen came in and showed you a very little mus bush tree that's going to be a tree with about a 10 maybe uh uh uh 37 in root sorry 37 in root 3ot root yeah over 3ot 3ot 1 inch root okay now the tap rout was how how deep 37 in 37 in you see that's where your evaporation is

[0:57:50] going if you continue at one time there was a a musk evapor uh eradication now before that water gets here clean up our rivers and and and uh uh our banks eradicate that mosqu tree that would stop a lot of our uh evaporation keep uh uh our drop level three okay when the water comes here keep it even and then fill up all of our reservoirs fill up all of our Rivers now we know we might not get any more rain but we know it's going to be another drop but if we have all of our water facilities filled we can even maybe let some water into uh uh other drainage dishes for our farmers and let more water into the rivers down Downstream you know don't waste an opportunity to fill up our bank accounts with water thank you we know that it's we know that we have water coming kill the musquet EV uh lessen the chance of evaporation and use what we what God has given us so take advantage of what we have coming thank you very much I appreciate your time other public input how you doing thanks for thanks for the opportunity to to to give my opinion um first of all I work in a local store I'm sorry we're because we're recorded and you haven't spoken before and it's fine but go ahead and give us your name so we have that and then carry forward sure uh my name is Steve rorer and I've lived in San Angelo for 22 years and I love the town it's a great town really proud to live here and uh just want to let you

[0:59:53] guys know that I work in a local store we get people from all over probably 15 20 counties um there's a lot of drought there's a lot of problems right now um I don't want to see St Angela look like the thief of water um we just have to be careful um we're in drought stades three I understand we're mandated to go to two or to one um I think it might uh set forth a bad um or kind of set us up as you know to hurt our reputation a little bit if we go right to one because there's people over that didn't get any rain and they're going to be looking at us like we're going to waste water so I just I if we could stay in two or go to two thank you I understand thank you very much other public input I'm uh Jerry warnell chicken farm Art Center I I just want to kind of clarify some of the things that I think I understood here today okay one is that uh councilman Alexander took a poll and 62% want to stay in phase three or two 63% 63 63% I'm sorry uh and Miss farmer you've heard from many people they want to to stay uh Mr Adams you've also heard and I I I'm understanding that 62% here many many well nobody's taking numbers but a majority want to stay in phase three or phase two uh I understand you're you're dealing with things that will come in the future uh my understanding is the Hickory aquifer has taken 10 years to get here

[1:01:56] so if we start on something today we're not talking about five years we're probably talking about 10 years away of getting an additional source of water to St Angelo no uh well that's just taking history from the Hickory aquafer no the Hickory aquafer s was started in the 1970s oh so it's taken 30 years forever but we never have actually taken bids and started the process this is the first time ever that that we have actually started laying the pipeline so you're you're mixing facts okay but it still took that long to from initiation till I mean even though we had water during that period of time people voted for it finally and so again it's that's and again my understanding on Hickory aquifer is that it will bring at Peak 9 million gallons a day is that no what I've heard no but that's where Mr Alexander is trying to explain what we can do is around 10,000 acre feet a year in an emergency environment basically for about four or five years but what what we have what we have is banked water at the rate of around 4,000 acre feet per year we have in 2024 we get to take 10,000 10,000 acre feet a year until the year 2036 at which point we get to take 12,000 acre feet a year okay between now and the the the the Hickory aquifer water will be able to be here in June or July of 2013 so less than one year uh then the treatment facility is uh being planned put in place all those things right now and that treatment facility is to open in June of 2014 so by the time that this 22 months worth of water uh were were not

[1:03:59] available if we had no more rain from today no more rain from today if if we then went 22 months we would have that that facility able to pump uh the nine or 9 and a half million gallons a day uh because we also approved putting five to six 5 to 7 depending on what the money pays for uh new wells in place down there all all of that will be in place by January of 2014 so what you're talking about is this is October of 12 by ju of 14 you will have the the ability to bring that water on none of that was in what Mr Wy talked about because he's not allowed to talk about that yet he he only is telling you that there's 22 months worth of water available from the existing reservoirs and the existing Supply so so the aquifer will be all new water uh the way things are set up now he could actually start using some of the Hickory aquifer water with local water Blended to pull the peac cures of radium down he's not using that in his projection he's only using what is in the lakes and so I'm saying to you his projections are quite conservative at 22 months I understand that and I understand that I'm I'm we're not uh the council will go to Drought level one I understand that from well and then we'll probably end up in a in a negotiation process or debate process about whether we my understanding is that the pipeline I mean we can have all the water we have at the hitory aquifer but in order to get it here has to go through a pipe and that pipe will only bring 9 million gallons a day okay go ahead and the city if I am correct uses is approximately 18 million no that's the 9 million is is is usage

[1:06:03] wintertime usage per day for the citizens in San Angelo Outside Inside total us total us toal for the city per day okay and the pipe can actually bring 14 million gallon we can put 22 Wells out there use 20 we can expand I'm just saying the pipe is big enough to bring more water than just the what' you say it's 6700 now it'll be close to 10,7 my understanding is it was peaked at 9 million no you're that's that's what I'm asking for clarification but you're your your number of 18 million gallons a day is something that we hit sometimes in the summer okay but that's not with restrictions that's not with us uh putting in place what not being able to water outside only being able yeah that's no it's conservation level which is so you have conservation level then drought level one which is an implementation of some penalties for overuse of water if you want to look at it that way Financial penalties then drought level two then drought level three there are four levels in this process we're going from the most uh Draconian the the the toughest biggest restrictions back to to the second level which is called drought level one I can see where that's a little confusing okay but the first first level is conservation level we're not going to that which is normal use okay we're not going to that we're going from three past two to one based on what the ordinance requires us to do but that still has restrictions on what you can do uh to make sure conservation is encouraged okay okay well I'd love to meet with you sometime some other place because the fact is I don't think your facts are good well and so and so I'd love I gained I thought I gained here love okay well I'd love to sit down with you I'm sure and and and go through some of what we have I'd love to do that with you I'm very encouraged that that the

[1:08:05] city has set up a rainwater harvesting Workshop uh that is one of the things that that I think can greatly assist the city in its water uh but I do think and I encourage the council to please consider that by even going back to phase one I think the perception is going to be you're opening the gates again okay that may be true thank you because we call it one and not two but M farmer I have a question and and clarification uh we're here today one week after we went into stage three because our ordinance requires our water director to give us a report on availability that's why we're here today my question is is there anything written uh I'm asking our City attorney that requires us to make this a decision today or can we look at October 10th or 16th as possibly looking at this I mean why is there such a rush today that's that's my question and and then I'll just review and the mayor's um re reaffirm that this your actions are ministerial at this point we are deemed to be in the drought stage of one which is what was articulated carefully by Mr Wy he has advised us such and it is a fact it's an immutable fact we we are deemed to be in that drought stage we're not in level three anymore and so then based on that uh based on his authority granted under the current ordinance the UT Mr Wy then um advises uh you of such and uh you you implement there's no discretion not to the appropriate stage that we are now in and so to answer you it this is just where we are now and and we're we've entered it and

[1:10:11] council is required ministerially to act based on the scheme and structure of our and the way I'm hearing that and the way I'm saying that is we the council have a duty to our citizens to make absolutely certain that we're not over charging them for an item that we do not have to be overcharging for because we're out legally out of the requirement of Dr stage three so in other words uh we shouldn't be gouging our citizens when it is not necessary that's the reason the ordinance is written and I can understand that in trying to protect the citizens and I guess a recommendation from me would be is we're required by law to do this to protect you your citizens your tax dollars and what you pay for and not gouge you but I would strongly urge each and every household and business to continue as if we were in drought stage three to practice conservation and prove that we can do it even though it appears to me that I'm have to be in agreement with the mayor it appears the way the ordinance is written and by law we're going to be required to do this okay is that a fair assumption I believe that's correct do we have any P further public input before I take this vote okay hi hi I'm Pam bline also from the chicken farm Art Center um I I actually find this still fairly vague um although I can understand the way you read it it seems fairly clear I guess one question I would have would be would you be decid deting this had you decided not to have a meeting today so had there been no meeting there would have been no issue or were you required to have a meeting therefore make um this uh change it does bring to light certainly the aspects of the the money uh challenges because that is written into the various stages so

[1:12:14] that that means different levels of conservation plus more money to pay for over usage um those of us around the chicken farm talked a lot about about this in the beginning when the answer seemed to be on the conservation level was to just raise the rates rather than to go into another stage or to have more restrictions and our feeling was gee that's really hard for the people that have the money to pay the rates to have the big Lawns that seemed to be a sort of a lot of conversation was the people who have big Lawns can afford to pay more and it doesn't really matter to them that didn't help anything any in any way it didn't seem to us to help the people that were in the community dealing with the overall water problem because those of us who elected to not keep our Lawns and just let them go voluntarily and those people that were having a hard time doing that anyway they weren't going to have the lawn so it that was was sort of a glaring issue of The Lawns or Not The Lawns and where the water goes what I feel like I'm hearing among the different people and it's been really instructive to begin to get more of this information because we haven't really availed ourselves of this information so what Mr Alexander is giving us and and what you're giving us is the beginning of a real education for us but I hear a difference in concern in terms of the alertness and the alarm of using our environment in a way that either helps us or doesn't help us there's on one side it seems to be let's get all the water we can and let's go after it and then we'll have it for 7even years or the other side is let's recognize that we live in a desert and we don't live in a place where it supports green Lawns the Southern California area is an is a desert and they raped the rest of the country for water at least the western part of the

[1:14:16] country to water their lawns and grow their flowers but it is a desert and we are a desert so unless we do what I'm hearing half of the people report themselves and that the constituents are saying is let's recognize that we live in an environment that needs to be by the very nature looked at the way it is and supported the way it is and not act like we live somewhere where we just get to have the water and then we run out cuz we will run out I mean we're fracking it you know to beat the band now so where does that come in um so that to me is uh a really important issue in terms of how the council views and leads and represents the people and our environment and so on and it seems to me that if I really take to heart the fact that the people that lose their jobs you guys address that in the last meeting in terms of the exceptions and then there's the Landscaping people that kind of brings it up for me well the Landscaping people perhaps should be encouraged to help their clients landscape in a way that they use less water um it's it's dis it's disturbing to go around and see City areas where people have well water and it's kind of inyour face I have well water I have green lawn I guess that water comes from some magical place that isn't part of the rest of the water system so that's kind of it's all part of the same system you know so so anyway I I would really hope that the council and and Alvin you said g I'd like to talk to you Jerry again we'd like to all have you talk to us and I'd love to see you write a big article and I'd love to see this really explained to the people I mean you're going to make a point about money that gets everybody's attention but it's really important to know how all the water system works um we are starting to talk a lot about education and how it starts in the schools and you know we could really become a city that points

[1:16:19] it at itself as as here's the how-to way to deal with the environment that you live in and do the best we can for everybody really understand the system you know I mean come here because if you want to come to Texas you want to come here because we really know how to take care of our environment so I guess as a as an overall theme it makes a difference in terms of whether there's leadership that says we really want to see the highest and the most complete way in which to deal with rather than will it just says we have to do that so we should do that because that ordinance is of course that's not really what was said though so it was it was said but it was but understand that that's you know I really did appreciate when you then said right now and again right now I guess it's because you call the meaning right now it's seems to be mandated in a certain way but that doesn't mean that the council doesn't take up the ordinance as you said bring people to the discussion bring people to the table I mean this certainly seems a time when it would change only I'll let you have time one other thing is that the the other thing about people I think why people are lobbying to stay in stage three is because I don't because I think people are peaked now I think that we're peaked to think about this and I think if it disappears it disappears in a sense it's almost as though this the council says everything is okay everybody go back to sleep everybody use the water you want to that's not what you're saying and I think that needs to be made clear because people don't know enough to to Really you know carry it on so I think a great greater explanation and a real heartfelt you know amount of information from you guys would be helpful but also recognize today's October the 5th otherwi whether we had this meeting today or we had it on October 16th things wouldn't change the ordinance would require a certain action and then we would have to go as you just described then we would have to go through a process right no I understand I understand the other thing I do want you to at least spend some energy on between now and when this discussion

[1:18:21] takes place is the evaporation of these no and and I I was greatly appreciated I mean I think that's the kind of thing that really is helpful for people to know in some ways if you don't use the water you you I'm not I'm not arguing against you going to stage three at this point I'm just I'm just saying what I'm hearing is a is a a sort two different senses and people and I and I think the understanding and why you might do it you might do you have to do it one way because the ordinance you do it another way because of the particulars of how the water is used but there's a a large a picture that really says to everybody people here's where we live here's here here really would be the master plan if we really want to get it right and we do that at that level I mean it you know that doesn't left to these person or these you know these people I mean you guys are the ones that are sort of the representatives and kind of and you guys have something to say about that so don't just say this is what we have to do for the ordinance okay thank you thanks yes my name is Bill Richardson I'd like to say that we don't live in the desert we live in a semi arid area and that the uh well water is taken from aquifers separate from the aquifer that we use for the city and I agree with uh the feeling that we should conserve our water and people see water running down the street and they wonder why it can't be collected and I like to say that I live in uh Mr Alexander's district and I knew of no poll taken there so I think that should be ignored thank you okay well okay very good thank you other public input so before I call for the vote have a quick question onl online yeah what is the average evaporation for November and December Mr Wy

[1:20:25] I can answer that question I have't it takes me a little bit of time if you can answer it Mr Alexander I I just as long as I have a fairly accurate answer I'd be happy minutes no and uh I'm on it actually when we get on it fast that up I have another question for will or whoever knows it the the recent rains the 6 in rains that we got all over town how long would that moisture stay with us I mean how long will the ground be as saturated as it is I mean is there a number of days or is it just the the the the heat index or what depends on I think all those factors would come into play but uh our our parks department Parks director Roger havala has looked at what would they consider on their facilities and his comment was that at least for the next two weeks there's absolutely no need for any type of lawn watering tree water or anything there there's plenty of moisture has been absorbed into the ground to sustain at least for the next two weeks weeks okay okay have an answer uh evaporation is 5.29 in uh that that was the worst case scenario by the way I need to look for average that's November of 2011 in 2011 we lost double our evaporation of normal so I'm looking for normal well 5 point something so half of that double you said say that the worst month was June and it was nearly 20 in in June and it was only 5 Ines in November so November evaporation is 1/4 of normal December evaporation was 1.93 it's very minute it it doesn't jump up until March it starts creeping up in March and by April we're at the halfway point and by June we're at the peak it's just like the the sun angles uh December 21st is the shortest day of the year operation is lowest negligible is a fairly good particularly in December January February okay okay let me call for the vote the vote is to take care of the administrative function of going to to uh level one which is what the ordinance requires um and so I will call for the vote all those in favor please say I I I

[1:22:29] any opposed nay n n didn't pass it's three to [Music] three okay um you guys we're we're talking about something that you're required to do that the ordinance clearly says okay let let me do this I'll I'll make the if people want to call it a fool I'll look at this I don't want to do this personally I do not however it's okay I can do it if you want it's uh it's required it is required by ordinance and if I don't like the ordinance then I need to do something to change it so therefore I will change my vote okay for the record I'm still an eight we good I'm I'm also an A and just to give folks out there a relief that hey we need to really hold on to what we have and if we could change it later on that's fine I mean but I I I'll I'll stick with my name I I want to conserve I want to keep at the level we're at whether it's right or wrong I don't know but I you know conservation is is what I am preaching right now so I stick with my vote ordinance or pass I venture to say yes okay so I I can take the changed vote Yes okay I have a four to2 vote then miss farmer Mr hersfeld Mr new Mr Alexander for Mr silvus Mr Adams against and we are now in drought stage one looking for a motion for adjournment okay I have a motion to adjourn second second call for that vote all those in favor please say I I any opposed okay we are adjourned I

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