City Council Budget Workshop 7-26-22

[0:00:00] workshop to order we will start with the opportunity for public comment issues or concerns not on the agenda may be raised by the public at this time citizens should speak from the podium address all comments to the dias begin by stating their name and address or single member district number and limit their remarks to less than three minutes is there anyone in the audience today who would like to come forward and make public comment good morning diane bays i recognize that my agenda item is on the agenda but i am unsure whether i will be called to be able to talk about my budget so i'm asking that permission yes everyone will be able to if they choose with that or any other public comment scene none we will move into the workshop itinerary a's discussion of matters regarding the fiscal year 2022 and 2023 budget preparation including but not limited to one other enterprise fund's revenue and expenditures and presentation will be made by finance director tina dersky thank you mayor tina dierski director of finance today we'll be going over our other major operating funds which include all of public public works the development corporation the hotel tax fund the airport and civic events we are projecting hotel tax revenue this year flat with what we are currently projecting for fy 22 at over 2.6 million dollars and the way that is proposed to be allocated for this next fiscal year is shown on this next slide fifty thousand dollars to the sports complex uh just over a million dollars to civic events 50 000 to fort concho the museum of fine arts 37.5 to downtown san angelo 75 000 to the cultural affairs hundred council ninety thousand dollars to the destination marketing organization and fifty fifty thousand dollars to the performing arts center um that eight hundred and ninety

[0:02:01] thousand dollars is um three months um at the current contract rate and proposed at 8.65 for the fiscal year 2023 budget so their fiscal year is on the calendar year so the timing makes the actual budgeted portion a little different from what the contract would state yes ma'am can you push that back i just want to ask on the 965 000 for the destination marketing organization what is that exactly that is what was formerly known as the cvb the convention and visitors bureau under the chamber of commerce is that what you're asking yes yes ma'am that's what that is it is fully supported by hot tax dollars all right what i want to do is start with all of the individuals here who are part of the smaller dollar amounts and let them come forward and speak to the projected dollar amount so we'll start with carl white if you want to come forward and talk about the 50 000 for the texas bank sports complex yes this 50 000 is part of the revenue the overall revenue that the sports complex gets for operations in all the tournaments a bigger portion comes from the general fund this is like a supplementary fund so you've that those funds are used for what specifically it's well it goes all into the revenue that's used for operations you don't have it designated as this goes to water this goes to whatever no operations including the recruiting that happens for tournaments and so forth so that overall budget okay questions for carl saying none we'll move on to the next one civic events oh wait sorry fort concho is anyone from fort concho here i think that's you carl

[0:04:05] it's the same situation for fort concho it's part of the revenue sources that go into operations for the for for the fort okay and we have downtown san angelo inc is dell still here no and not at the moment then we go into san angelo cultural affairs council jamie i think you're here good morning jamie hi smith executive director of the cultural affairs council we are pleased to receive the allotment that we get from the city and all of that money goes to our subgrant program where various in any arts organization or arts project can apply to us for funding and that's reviewed by our board and that entire amount 75 000 is then distributed to those entities who are selected we've not turned anybody away that's applied in the time that i've been executive director any questions and you've had some new ones apply yes we have had great i just had a question mayor yes i just went to what kind of entities are we talking about what who have you approved we have core grants and we also have project grants our core grant recipients have been the symphony san angelo ballet ballet san angelo civic theater and san angelo broadway academy before the museum had its own category the museum was part of our core grant process and then art project grants the san angelo state supported living center has an art program for residents and they create art and take it on display to various locations they've received project grant we have

[0:06:08] also fort concho the christmas music that is of the era has received a project grant these are certainly smaller grants than our core grants and we did give away nine of those last year along with four four core grants nine project grants and i think we have some detail that will will be presented in writing about that yes ma'am i was going to mention that mayor jamie has already sent me all of the information on where they submitted those funds and who who was granted that will be coming to city council within the next week or so i think most of those people or i know um i have received letters from those organizations thanking for the support of city council for those dollars so they've been very good at writing the letters and thanking the city council for allowing you all to have the money to give in grants we appreciate the opportunity to do that keep it up thank you mayors jamie mentioned the museum we did skip over that on the list if you wanna i'll do it next okay i promised howard i would because he has some place to go and so thank you jamie thank you howard you're up my words are so heavy it just seems like i'm talking a long time actually i am very briefly uh there are about 20 000 art museums in the world this is a book that you can be purchased anywhere in the world and it features 50 of the best museums in the world and i want you to see that san angelo is the center spread and the relevance of that to is that that alone helps drive visitation to the museum from around the world i had a

[0:08:10] very curious visit not too long ago from the finnish ambassador to the republic of china who took a vacation from china and came to san angelo to see the museum i think mary you know that right now we have an exhibition in washington d.c in the residence of the european ambassador at the united states and 25 of the ambassadors from around the world see that exhibit routinely and we bring we see people coming because of that the hot funding uh one of the critical things is to help drive heads and beds and uh since i'm with an art museum i believe in tangible objects that you can see and well not touch but you can see them and so i brought some of the publications that we run advertising in full page ads i won't open them all up you can see speaking of the ceramics how was the most current ceramic exhibit it was wonderful we have 120 artists from i think it's 38 states on exhibition plus canada uh at the opening our opening was down a little from pre-covid but at that opening we had over 500 people and that's astonishing and by the way our attendance this past year is hitting about 65 000. uh pre-covert it was 85 000 and we're heading back up happily but that's a lot of folks believe me and then uh plein air i think people have really come to know what that is and already uh this plein air competition is considered about the third largest in america and they're over 200 uh the two that are bigger than us and this is the unbelievable fact they're in metropolitan areas of about 100 miles around of over 50 million people one is in southern california and the other on the east coast and in in our region 200 miles there's about 200 000 people so it's really remarkable that it's that successful in that short period well you get the idea i hope

[0:10:14] the one thing that you're probably not picking up on and this one hey i'll just bring to the podium and just let you guys circulate it look at it keep it but we do very extensive marketing and advertising it costs more than the cost of the hot funding that we receive and it's done nationally in these important publications and it really does we have a pretty uh i think effective method of estimating room nights and it's over two 2000 a year and it's a very complicated formula about how we determine that but we collect zip codes from our attendees we have a lot of large public events and so there we can only do estimates but we sort of try to underestimate what the impact of that would be because we drive attendance through this kind of marketing and so if i may i'll just bring this up to the podium and there's a full page ad in here by the museum but also there's about a five-page section about all of san angelo and the cultural attractions of the community and so not only when we run these ads and cost a lot of money we really make an effort to encourage the publications to take a look at the broader community how many people come to the museum on an annual basis uh this this past year we're hitting about sixty five thousand pre-covert it was eighty five thousand uh but it's going back up very rapidly we still are hesitating to do certain large public events our saturday family days which draw often as many as a thousand people we're not going back to those live one little thing i will say because we i think we know that the hot funding is about heads and beds but there's also an element of community service we are open to the community for public visitation six days a week and we're working and operating seven days a week with programs we do we're also a performing arts center you may not think of us that way but we do chamber music concerts big band dances that are very popular here

[0:12:17] in the community we allow over a hundred groups each year to meet at the museum free of charge and in fact even city council has met there on a couple of occasions in the past and you're always welcome always welcome at the museum if there's a need and so that's a really important part but the one little thing i want to point out that we have done related to covet is because the very intensive interactive children's programming we have created a program now of take home packets for families and they're very family oriented and they're expensive very expensive because they have real art materials in them instructions lessons and we hand them out free and it cost us an average of about seven dollars per packet and we've handed out over 15 000 of those already how's that paid for well not through this funding because that goes pretty much devoted to this but we get very extensive grants and one thing kind of a point of pride but if you look at the texas commission on the arts which gives to arts organizations across the state in our region four other art museums combined received less than half of the funding that the museum in san angelo did and that's not because they're just handing that money out we work very very hard and present the programs that we do the quality of the programs and that's what results in that money coming into the community our budget now is over 2 million dollars and more than a million dollars comes from outside of san angelo into the economy uh primarily through grants that we receive so we're as a matter of fact as soon as i'm out of here i'm back to working on a grant today and you know it's just a part of our lifestyle there but everyone has heard the rumor about you leaving and no longer function in the same role that you're in today you want to talk about that today oh it'll be a big celebration yes when i leave you're all invited well yes i've been here 38 years i arrived in 1984

[0:14:22] i had my first air travel experience to san angelo and i was a day and a half late and i arrived at 2 am flying here was a little different back then you know you didn't actually land you used to parachute but i made it into san angelo uh and i'm uh not gonna leave exactly but my uh successor has been hired i probably shouldn't be announcing it but i will uh his name is alex freeman he is currently the director of the texas association of museums very brilliant young guy i'm very excited that he's coming here he'll be on the scene in september he'll be taking over officially in january and then i'm going to continue in a role of fundraising for the museum for at least the next year because we have a lot of very important capital projects and some that we actually collaborating on with the city for example at the state office building we're working on a very substantial state-of-the-art collections facility that we're going to share with fort concho and and the fort won't have to raise a penny of that money because we're working on doing that to build out that facility it's going to be a very expensive project but we're well into it so yes i'll still be around my heart is very much here in san angelo when i came here 38 years ago as a yankee they thought well he won't be around long and i discovered you can't get out of here you know there's no way i looked you know and at least on my map so very devoted to this great wonderful community and we'll continue as much as possible in the future questions for howard thank you one and all and for all that you do for our community i'll share this with you thank you financial performing arts center good morning i'm yuki kuniyuki the executive director for sapac and it's really we benefit greatly from the having the hotel occupancy tax last season which goes from july to june we had 80

[0:16:26] shows in our performing arts venues which is tremendous when you consider coming out of the pandemic the years prior we had average about 65 and we've made a concerted effort to reach a broader audience in the past season and going into our new season to extend you know north abilene west to ozona sonora and even down to san antonio because we realized some of the a lot of the shows that we do offer here are only accessible at in san angelo for those communities and so we've done a lot of promotion outside of san angelo to help bring in heads to beds and attract a lot more people to our great city if there are any questions i'd be happy to answer i just want to make one comment i know that in you report to us every year of the finances for sapac and i want to congratulate you on this most recent one that you provided us because there's black ink at the bottom of the page and i know that took a lot of work and effort and certainly a lot of grant money that came in because of the covet thing but you're an important part of this community and the ability to stay alive and stay with your doors open and have some black ink even if it's a little amount is very positive and very encouraging for that facility we were really benefited from this small business association's shuttered venue operators grant which was to help support performing arts centers through covid because they anticipated a decrease in attendances and shows coming through different states um we still haven't returned to pre-coveted numbers yet but it's been really helpful to us and hot tax is really beneficial as well to ensure that we maintain we keep our doors open and we have a lot of great shows coming this year so i hope to see uh folks more folks attend our wonderful season and make make use of our great facilities too and i invite the council members to come by anytime and get a tour of our facilities if you haven't been there

[0:18:29] questions for kooky none thank you very much sydney euron carl or sydney or who's going on sydney i think they just pointed a finger at you you're on [Music] morning mayor good morning council sydney walker civic events manager here to discuss our facility improvement projects of course we've been doing can i get them so we've been doing our facility improvement projects since uh 2016. and we've been able to accomplish a lot of different uh a lot of different things for several of our venues and stuff of course for foster communications coliseum since then we've done the led lighting new staging ceiling tile replacements we've also fixed the lower ring roof new spotlights chiller climate control also for the magnese convention center we've done led lighting the marquee signage that's outside as well sound board replacement and the new staging next for the river stage we have completed the restrooms concession stand ticket booth renovations drainage repair new chairs for there and then for farmers market on the parking lot seal coating and striping for the paseo led lighting protective netting parking lot seal coating and striping so throughout fiscal year six from 2016 to now we've spent approximately about a million dollars in improvements and stuff and that came through you all for council and so this year we have some other issues that we're trying to complete and i would like to bring that forward to you all so the last uh remodel that we had here for the magnese convention center was in 2008 and in 2008 they just did a lot of different uh different remodels but they did not take care of the sewer line we've been having sewer line issues before i was even the events manager i looked back at it there were some issues back in 14 as well issues started occurring for me in 16 so back then we did we did have a sleeve

[0:20:31] put into our sewer line and that was just a temporary fix for us at the time but that sleeve right now is we've we there's some damage to the sleeve and there's some sinking going on with our sewer lines so we're needing to get that fixed we've had multiple sewer malfunctions in this past year and we've contacted the plumber within 15 times of this year some of them are to take precaution because when we do have events that are more than 300 or 350 people that are involved in it we have had to call them out so they can make sure we don't have no issues during an event so for the convention center we're looking to ask for 800 000 i plan to bring this to council in the second second city council meeting in august and that's going to be for the sewer line replacement tile and carpet replacement wall vinyl replacement that's also in the main ballroom and in the main halls carpet replacement for the hallways window tinning led lighting for the hallways speaker replacement irrigation and tree planting seal coating and security cameras did you just rebuild this center because it sounds like you just rebuilt mcneese convention center i would like to expand it but we would too um and speaking of so future needs that that list did not include the hvac we do have a lot of hvac issues as well approximately that's going to cost about 300 000 just in itself too as well to fix any of the well to replace all the hvac needs here and in the future needs of looking forward to possibly doing some type of expansion of course we have a lot of where we're trying to compete with other uh venues as well for conferences conventions and you know for us we really have a problem with uh breakout rooms as well and then the size of the ballroom too so um i know it's a pretty tough thing for you know for us to bring in the convention so i would like to hopefully look in the next few years of discussing about some

[0:22:33] type of expansion for us theresa on the 800 000 to fix the sewer system tile carpet are hot tax dollars available to do that we have a funding plan to present to you sid has it for one of his slides later on in the presentation okay so also we also have for the coliseum is that next go ahead so for the coliseum we have a a boiler that actually went down as well so the coliseum and spur arena we actually share uh two of the two boilers over there they've been there since 1999. one of the boiler units actually went down in february and we're needing to get that replaced and we replaced it already oh no no so we replaced the chiller oh the chiller yes ma'am and we were in yeah [Laughter] so we cannot operate both areas consistently without both units working so we're in need of that boiler i'm uh that boiler to uh to be at the coliseum so we can operate fully between the coliseum and spur arena so for the two boiler units um we're approximately looking at 258 000 i'm gonna explain this so so we're only needing one boiler at the time right now but we're also looking at the fact of going ahead and replacing the second boiler two as well that way we don't run into that issue in the future um sooner so it would be a cheaper amount to go ahead and just get both boilers replaced at the time so if we did replace both boiler units it would be approximately 258 000 of course i would bring that to council in august november the product would arrive and it would be installed in january if we did just replace one boiler we're looking at approximately about 136 thousand dollars the other one is of equal age

[0:24:46] okay keep going our funding sources is for a hot tax fund there's a million six civic events fund right now we have a little bit over a million dollars and then our restricted facility use fees we have three hundred and fifty uh three thousand dollars that's the fund balance of june 30th and so recap for me with those dollars those dollars cover the issues you just reviewed right yes ma'am so what we're looking at is for the foster communications coliseum for the boiler issue we're planning to just have the we would like to have the 300 000 um taken from just the hot from the hot funds and then for the mcneese convention center we're needing a total of 800 000 and we're planning to use all of our facility use fees of 350 000 and then also take from our civic events fund balance of 450 000 leave your civic events fund balance in the right dollar amount so it's available without creating a problem with fund balance is that correct yes ma'am all right questions for sydney you know one of the things we asked him to do this go around was to present the issues as it relates to the facilities because there's no reason for us to talk about hot tax dollars and not talk about the issues that are out there and they seem to be numerous at this point um so i would assume someone's got some questions on these dollars tom so i'll go first going back to what i'm a little bit familiar with with the new boilers they i know historically you've all done some cross financing between the association and the coliseum yes sir current uh we are in talk discussions right now with uh stock show to be able to um put in at least half for the amount right now i'm currently waiting to see if they want to replace the two boilers instead of just the one cap what they did with the chiller that

[0:26:50] you recently did um with the chiller they went half with us as well too so they've they have been going half on certain items for us and stuff too as well so i believe this wouldn't won't be an issue but i think they need to bring it before their board to see if they'll be able to fund and you know both chillers i mean both boilers sorry we've done the chiller right the boiler right but now we're on to the boiler yes sir the hard part we're hitting them back to back which is tough all right so we talked about the mcneese convention center and the coliseum what are the issues that are outstanding on our other facilities um the river stage could definitely use a lot of just different things a lot of different work from the entrance we would like to build some type of awning over it um for just the heat exposure and stuff like that for our for the customers to be able to come in to as well um there's some back wall improvements that we do need to make at the river stage too as well it's just an old wall that's the the bottom has rusted out to as well so it's it's been a hard it's been an issue for us to be able to move that as well both dressing rooms need some type of updating too as well there's a lot there's several issues over at the at the river stage but we're we've been able to get by with what we have right now and stuff paseo too as well um we we still need to do some some work still over there too i do have some board members that have been asking about some type of awning going between the east and west paseo to be covered over that to make some type of um area for another rentable place spot for us for events so that's something that we're we're discussing as well for the board and then also the indoor arena is uh one of our venues that doesn't see a lot of um

[0:28:53] doesn't get a lot of interest but could use a lot of work too as well because they could use we did inside with the staff they did take care of the concession stands um they rebuilt them the staff did all that but there are some other issues over there that we can do led lighting would be one of the things that's needed over there um uh replacing the benches uh that's over at the indoor arena too as well the restrooms that they need they're not handicap accessible so a lot of those issues that we do need to take care of with the indoor arena as well and do we have that rick do we have a laundry list and dollars attached to all of that currently on those we kind of focused on what the primary ones were that were of greater importance i mean sid could kind of give you but they focused on getting some prices on the the ones that were most pressing well from what i understand the work on the sewer and uh here in this facility needs to be done pretty much asap that's right correct and so you're looking at your projections for this facility to be down because you're going to have to close the entire facility to do the work currently we're looking at being closed from mid-november to mid-january and what events normally happen during that time period that will be impacted by that there were some private uh kingston years as well i believe the chamber had one event as well everybody has been notified of definitely i think they do the um luncheon no the banquet and so is the completion of this project in time for them you have it scheduled so you're okay on that okay so that's going to impact the revenue yes lucy mary i think julia had something to say did you want to no i was asked to let rick nota please use his microphone i think john got that same thing remember speaking to the microphone that's the policy teresa not do that to

[0:30:56] john earlier today too well i will i'm just going to make these comments the city has invested a lot of money into these facilities and we need to make sure that we keep the facilities in a state that is not embarrassing to us as a city and has a more welcoming appeal to it and i think the things that sydney has brought forward are things that have a negative impact if we don't deal with them we certainly know that there's a conversation out there about a new coliseum but at this point in time we need to deal with what we have and the time frame that citizens will be using these facilities so i support what you're asking for and the funding of that but i need other city council members to voice any concerns or support or questions please yes tom sydney on your on the other under revenue you're projecting to be down 18. yes so most of that other revenue that's going to be projected down would be from our concession sales um due to us doing the point-of-sale stations we will have to um reimburse san angelo hosts for the point of sale stations so i deducted that from um from who owns the point of sale do we own it as carlo carlo would be owning it he signed the agreement so if he owns it then and he gets the revenue from the pos system for concessions and we receive a portion yes you receive a portion of it so why are we reimbursing i'm a little confused about that based on the contract mayor there is a reduction to the revenue that the city receives to proportionately pay back carlo for that point of sale system since we were the ones that require that

[0:32:58] he started using one that fair what she said thank you for that i think it's the pos system is very important that's a key issue we're we're working on that right now have a meeting actually at 12 30 about us so we'll hurry up but when is that pos system supposed to be in place it's already in place right now but we're we're working through a few kinks with it and stuff of course with the river stage last year for physical improvement project facility improvement projects i asked for some funding to get wi-fi and access points too as well for several of our venues so we're just working through a few of the kinks that we're having with the point of sales and connecting with the wi-fi issues as well i think there was a wi-fi issue on one of the events and they couldn't process is that correct yes ma'am and that's been worked out that's what we're working on yes ma'am okay all right i saw that up there and so i know we're going down that point of sale but i mean point of sale is very key to anything you're doing whether it's associated to you know point of sale at that point in time it's real time you get that many people in a room in a facility then there's so many people hitting the wi-fi the bandwidth it's a hose and you don't get so much out yes sir i mean i would prefer those things be wired i don't know what you're talking about but consistency and making sure that thing works nothing's more disgusting than to lose power electricity or wi-fi during the middle of a weekend and you can't get anybody to work on it i agree so that's because we wi-fi not hard hardwire yeah so there's people smarter than me that are going to deal with that i'm just saying yeah i link you got your tower power down at the rodeo a lot of the reason we have it is we could never get on with wi-fi like we can barely scan tickets with the amount of band service kimberly can speak to that that we have out there we can barely scan tickets i don't know how you can do point of sale without having a better plan just ensure me you've got a good plan going forward with that i just want it to work agree i agree with you because that's the issue with the with the river stage we do have uh one area where we're able to hardwire

[0:35:01] and we didn't have any issues technically over there but it was all the other areas wherever wi-fi was needed to be able to be used and it's just the data was just not there for us and so we're going to uh we're trying to talk with the pos the company and uh discuss some other measurements that we can possibly take to better assist for it but we do have those issues as well and i've also talked with san angelo hosts you know about their concerns too as well about possibly we build instead of having the temporary concession stand areas let's go ahead and build permanent areas that do have the capabilities to hardwire yes i mean um it sounds to me sidney that you are trying your best to anticipate problems before they occur i guess a question i would have how far down the road are you only able to look maybe 12 months down the road are you able to look 24 36 months down the road to start then working on the budgeting things to some of these things are going to if we don't deal with them we're going to have to deal with them so how far out just based on the constraints you operate under are you able to begin anticipating i try to do at least 24 at least two years three years out and stuff of course we have our capital improvement plans some of the things discussed in the capital improvement plans on our measurements of how we're going to try to move forward and take care of some of the issues with our venues so i try to keep that on there um of course the biggest issue for everybody is would be funding taking care of funding i know we did have a river stage plan um to be able to do different things with the river stage but unfortunately uh when code was struck and then the issues that we had with the convention center that took place that was priority for us you know i

[0:37:02] we we talk about you know sometimes we get in my opinion we get we get caught up you know we can get down in the weeds of things sometimes i think as a council we need to we need to pull ourselves back out of the weeds and get up at a little higher level so i would just encourage you to the extent you can to begin moving a little further out down the road so that you know you can start addressing some of these things before you get in a bind and really then we do have to scramble around and find funding or or it puts you in a bind uh with using funding you might have been going to use for something else so um you are doing a good job in my opinion i would just encourage you to look as far out as you possibly can so that we can hopefully head off some of these things my next big question is the following operating costs because we know almost everybody today is experiencing significant operating cost increases have we anticipated correctly on that yes ma'am we're working on that too as well the operating cost yes ma'am so where do you figure all that into this because so with what we get from you all for operations and stuff we're barely we we're getting by but we barely get by with where we're at of course the facility is is pretty old for the most part so things are breaking every now and then for us you know at both at both facilities for here for the convention center and the coliseum so um we've really been working with finance to be able to find money to take care of some of the issues and items that we have been having and bring that forward to you all erin i just want to agree with tommy tommy's comment and of course a strict financial accounting doesn't point out the inevitable relationship

[0:39:06] between improvements attracting more heads in beds and so i i totally agree that the further you can get ahead of that and anticipate that it's going to come back to fund the projects that you want and maybe even create a surplus so for those listening uh including the people in the room today we can't see that on a budget i hope you're having discussions with city staff about anticipation for what can happen if you are proactive yes ma'am okay that's key because not only is it heads and beds but generally speaking those heads and beds who are using the facilities because of the events that are going on there are also people are spending money elsewhere in the city so it's not just simply hot tax money it is sales tax money and right now with the current trend on sales tax money we need as much positive happening as possible in the sales tax column and that means bringing visitors in staying in our hotels going to our events and spending money agree okay that's the end of the questions thank you sydney and when are we going to see the rest of those projections on facility improvement my probably well i'm coming back to council and by august 16th to bring that to you all what i want us to do next year is have all of that available during the budget session what he can do is prepare like that whole laundry list of things and prepare even a broader list than what we did this year prioritize them but keep going with what those costs are projected to be so if you all choose to fund further you can that goes back to tommy's comment is we're seeing a partial picture today it's not a complete picture and we need to see the big umbrella so when we so when we do have our civic events advisory boards we do take all of the issues with all of our venues and then we discuss them and we prioritize

[0:41:09] them that way and that's when we bring them to you all so if you all would like to see that prior we can do that got to be by the budget session i mean that's what we're here for it's what we're discussing this is what we're looking at we need to see the big picture not just a half polaroid picture so councils in my opinion we we we try to be helpful um so if we can know those things and and we may not act on them right then but at least we know okay when when when you come to us next year and say yeah he told us about that last year so that we can say sure yeah go ahead and do that so help us see the bigger picture as well thank you very much all right the next one is our destination marketing diane good morning i learned about our the proposed decrease while i was on vacation last thursday so i didn't have the opportunity to put a powerpoint together but i did write something so i'd like to read that if i could when i started my position in april 2017 the local tax receipts generated by travel spending was 6.2 million after one year of our marketing efforts those receipts increased to 6.9 million and in 2021 they totaled 7.4 million those tax dollars include sales tax that tax that go into the general fund to help pay for other city services our budget in 2017 was 865 000 and our current budget including 47 000 that this council allowed us to carry over from 2021

[0:43:11] is 1 million 12. the reserves for hotel tax dollars sit at 1.6 million and those are designated dollars by law for the purpose of bringing visitors to town this cut would not just be seventy five thousand dollars as listed on the agenda it would be for one hundred forty seven thousand five hundred by cutting our budget to this number the city will lose more than one million dollars in local tax receipts in just the first year how do i know this in 1993 the state of colorado was the number one summer tourism destination in the country the powers that be made the decision to cut the 12 million dollar budget of the state's tourism bureau to save money for the citizens that one time decision cost colorado 1 billion dollars the first year and a total of 10 billion dollars before they regained their market share a large cut like this to the san angelo destination marketing organization will deeply impact our effectiveness to in our efforts to promote the city to visitors not only will it hurt our marketing efforts it will also impact our staffing we have developed a very effective team who has worked hard over the past five years to improve the quality of life for the citizens of this city by bringing in new money into our town 51 of the retail sales tax collected in 2021 was paid by visitors that does not mean people didn't shop locally it means visitors chose to shop here because of our marketing efforts the marketing we pay through hotel tax paid by visitors has helped increase our hotel tax dollars and by cutting it those marketing commitments we have had in the past will not happen due to proposed significant cuts the dmo is the only organization on this list

[0:45:14] that receives that that we who receives hotel tax that solely markets to out-of-town visitors to overnight those entities that currently receive the tax that are listed on here will also be affected in the long run as they do not do outside or very limited outside marketing our office has played the key role in seeking the following designations we were named the visual arts capital of texas through 2031. we are a texas film friendly city we are a texas music friendly city we launched the san angelo revolution film festival we were named destination of the year in the texas travel awards last year we were the number one true western town in 2020 and 2022 and the number two true western town in 2019 and 2021 due to our marketing efforts i will end this as i have a question to propose to you with all due respect to the elected officials on the diocese if marketing were not important why didn't you choose to put your name on the ballot in order to to be in the seat you now occupy instead of paying to be on the radio do television interviews send out direct mail pieces purchase yard signs and billboards and more this cut will also affect the citizens in 2021 the 643 dollars per household was saved annually due to visitor spending in 2017 which is where this budget would go back to that number was in the low 500s san angelo is not a field of dreams if you build it or renovate it they will not come unless we ask them to thank you do i have questions for diane harry i guess i would ask uh in your conversations with city staff you or walt or whoever was

[0:47:19] with the city finance or whoever where the figure of 75 000 less uh came from i heard about it on thursday in an email while i was on vacation okay harry to answer your question 2019 city council directed an increase from 865 to a million 12 for the cvb at that point in time we were directed to bring the contract back annually for review and so that was intended to make sure that we review those allocations annually so this year what's being presented is 865 and that is up for council's evaluation and consideration um and the the difference between her 147.5 is the 47.5 she was able to carry over um additionally uh we're at a different contract year from them so there's some timing where our actual budget amount would be 890 versus 865 because we're still have three months left of that million dollar contract i hope that makes sense they're not on the same fiscal year that we are yes ma'am that's correct so the question mark is the following so i think what you said was in 2019 the decision by this city council was that that million dollars or a million whatever it was was to be a one year and it would be re-reviewed every year yes the next year happened to be coveted i'm not mistaken yes so the impact of 2020 and 2021 were covered years and the cbb actually gave back to the hot tax money 200 000 of unspent money because of covid is that correct yes so 2020 was the first year of the million 12 contract of course march of that year covet hit so in 2021 we the city designated 765 thousand dollars to the dmo um including a 200 000 carryover that they were allowed to carry over for a total of a little over 965 for 2021 and then in 2022 uh the city designated

[0:49:26] 965 uh plus an additional carryover of 47.5 bringing you back to that million 125 where we were um starting in fiscal year 2020. what were the sales tax increases in 2020 and 2021 the city experienced uh overall for the entire year an average we can look that up for you 2020 and 2021 because in 2020 and 2021 our trend was much better than our trend is right now is that correct i'll have to look at that that's why i'm okay is that correct i'm not sure that that's correct but we'll look it up for you yes kimberly's working on it i know that our numbers are comparable right now at year to date to our 2021 number or 2020 numbers no 2021 numbers they're comparable year-to-date right now as far as the hotel tax collections which will reflect also on those sales tax dollars and if you saw that the the numbers were flat right now are projected flat so they aren't dropping so that is another thing to note diane talked to us while they're looking at talk to us the what what a reduction in 75 of 75 000 147 000 well is that you're talking the carryover right not the original budgeted amount the original budget with the carryover was 1 million 12 which was what it was in 2020 as well that's that's correct again i do want to emphasize though and we did look this up how did you look that up as far as when the city council made that decision it was on a one-year basis and so the the amount was was up here as far as a million twelve twelve thousand you're talking about uh that again was to be reviewed on annual basis it was there was never a discussion as far as this being a permanent amount uh that would maintain it one million twelve thousand dollars it was going to be it was going

[0:51:27] to be reviewed on a year by year basis and i understand that i understand that uh what i would say councilman is in 2019 i hired a communications digital marketing person if you will based on the fact that i had the budget coming in in 2020 uh that uh uh to in decreases now back to the numbers that we had in 2017 is going to reflect on that staff because when i do a budget i like my operations to be less than what my marketing is because my job is marketing so i'm going to have to look at that to to review staffing i have no other option if we cut significantly like that but the increase was not in 2017 it was in 2019 is that correct the increase uh was in the city's fiscal year 2020 budget for the first time so 2019 would have been the 865. but i think it started in 17 and was 7 865 for 17 18 and 19. i think the previous council members when their other individuals were in that office or the ones who reduced that amount down to the 865 with the provision that anything over and above that number for let's say a big event they could come back to council and get that or ask for that recommended amount of money to be approved so it was a base number with the opportunity to increase it if events that could have significant impact on this community came up that's always an option yes ma'am i think one of the other issues that i've heard is the number of events that fell through for all the right reasons coven everything else for example the air one race never happened there was great expectations for that the cowboy jubilee that didn't happen great expectations for that and so the question mark is many much of

[0:53:31] the funding was attached to big events things that would impact hotel motel tax as well as sales tax revenue within the city actually that is not necessarily accurate that that for that one year we looked at that but we had that funding in place already yes correct but those events aren't coming back and are there events that are out there that you're anticipating that would be something like that that one could see an impact on the sales tax dollars that you talk about and hotel i would i would say wild west fest which is coming up is one of those events we work that's done by an individual right we worked with thomas hoffman on that to ensure that it could be a seven day event so we could promote it because otherwise it would have been a one day event i would also add that we have 52 weekends in the year and one weekend event will not change our sales tax that significantly we seek out conventions and meetings and other opportunities majority of those meetings are held at our hotels and not at the convention center because of the proximity of the convention center to the hotel products that our visitors and our planners want to stay in do we have conventions booked in 2023 we do and the balance you want to talk to those i couldn't tell you what those names are right now i don't have that in front of me so i don't have that list but jonah has been working that as well as susannah so we have some in fact coming up now so those are in the books i guess talk about those can if you girls have that information you want to come forward i would just i my biggest concern quite frankly is pushing our budget even if it's a hundred thousand sending us back to where we were five years ago is going to affect what advertising we can send out including things like true west magazine which we understand i understand how the game

[0:55:34] is played you market you mark it in order to get some of those designations correct if you want to stay in the top 10 we're likely not going to have that happen um i can talk about some of the ones i guess from this year my job has changed i'm not doing as much of the convention meetings anymore but we just hosted texas police games a couple of weeks ago which was pretty big for us we had the academy of young teachers that was here this past week i know jonah has a couple of meetings that have been here like this past week and you know coming up and we're constantly working on the sports market i would say air race one is not totally off the books they still want to come we're just trying to work through the process of getting getting them to be able to come here because now we actually kind of got a deal when they were going to come originally because of covid so they were trying to like start their races here in the united states and so they were waiving their fee which usually is like seventy thousand dollars to a hundred and fifty thousand dollars so of course now cove is over he's kind of wanting those type of fees again but he really loves san angelo so he's still interested in coming back so there's various things like that and then of course we've been focusing on our media missions you know getting people to write about san angelo a lot of our travelers are leisure because we don't have the meeting space we don't have the hotel product so we are definitely working as hard as we always do so director sales for for the dmo and yes we we right now i do have a group here if you see the lady outside in red that that is the permian basin water utility school they do it every year it's here they will be doing it probably again next year and following as long as we uh

[0:57:37] provide what they need and so that's what we work hard to do i also we work with austin and in austin that's where most of the meeting planners are and so we go there recruit and you know try to we talk we take them to lunch we getting them to uh come here and that's one of the things too that we are trying to work on is doing some um well we bring the meeting planners here all together sean what san angelo has so we would you know need the budget for that too so but you know and i'm working with harry and his group uh coming up so anytime that anybody has an association or and you need our help we'll be glad to help you and that's what that's what we do that's what we do a lot of that there are many organizations who say my organization wants to come to san angelo and they ask for y'all's help and whether it's the welcoming bags or working out some of the details that they can't do or don't know to do so i think you do a lot of that smoothing the edges yes we do we're doing that currently with west texas legislative summit that is coming next week yes and we do a lot of servicing too once i get here you know we're right there helping them with their uh registration and just because like like we said we don't have that convention hotel that you can do it all at once and other people help with them so we have to find other things to uh to get them to come here and that's what service is one of the things you know once they get here we'll be help help them so the other thing i think you pointed out diane is 51 of the sales tax dollars come from outside this city right and certainly we are a area that pulls from 16 17 counties so a lot of those people are not coming here necessarily for events if you will they shop here they work key shopping area we are a regional

[0:59:41] shopping area and i think you brought up at one point how what percent the medical community brings to the table in terms of that revenue and 2020. in 2020 it was 27 percent it's normally around 18. of course cove but it's still 18 percent so a lot of people come to this city not because of many of our attractions but because they got to seek out medical help i would also encourage encourage that we still provide marketing to them even when they're here we have a visitor center that we provide brochures for so visitors do come into our community and get that information so they know what there is to see and do that would be as well part of that that cut in order to be able to meet this budget so where would the cuts be i don't know i just learned this on thursday so i still have to look some some will be in operations likely in staffing and then the others i will have to look through our marketing efforts to see where i can make that make that work it's a significant cut and so if when we say five years ago it hasn't been five it's just since 2019 or 2020 that we had the million dollars refresh everybody's mind um in the 2019 budget discussions is when council designated that it would be a one-year contract at a million twelve thousand but that it would be reviewed annually so the first year was in our budget was 2020. perfect and you have those sales tax numbers ready for us 2020 we saw an increase of one percent in sales tax revenue 1.05 to be exact not to budget but to ly actuals yeah i don't want to budget i need to ly these are actuals 2020 year-over-year actuals yes okay okay um 2021 an increase of 6.97 and then 2022 year to date we've seen an increase of 3.1 percent

[1:01:45] over 2021. and how does that compare to our our regional cities i can just speak anecdotally to that because we do look at that on a monthly basis and we're seeing um in most of the cities around us that we put on our comp midland odessa abilene wichita falls seeing bigger increases on a monthly basis at least this fiscal year but i can't speak to that on a more long-term basis just kind of anecdotally what we're seeing i would add in in regards to visitors with our regional cities all of them have full service hotel products that have a convention have meeting space that we do not currently have yeah but that's been true we you know if we look back over the past couple years it would be the same story we haven't had we needed and hopefully we're working on something that will produce that so um mayor yes sir this may be a crazy idea but i'm going to toss you an idea diane i'm a sales guy i have lived by commissions my entire career i have never drawn a paycheck what if we tied going back to the million whatever to specific quantifiable performance and that the way you earn that money if you will you earn that money that way that now that may be the craziest thing but again i'm i'm sitting the world i live in is commissions um i i i don't know what it's like to get a regular paycheck um is that something that would work for you i don't know honestly i've never ever in my 30 years in this industry had this experience so this is new i've never had my budget cut ever so i've i've it's new yes tommy tom so diane

[1:03:50] if this was a performance-based contract do we have is there any evidence to go down with what we've been doing i'm sorry if this was a performance-based contract and you're getting we're getting a receipt for what performance y'all are doing is there a reason to go down on what we've been doing i mean we've we're going up every year are we not we have been but our tax our tax dollars have gone up as well right in that in that effort so um last year we were just coming out of cobit i mean we were when we compared last year we had a very soft history to the yearbook prior so we're going against a very strong history of like nearly seven percent we're still up three percent over that so compared to 20 we're up about 10. as we're moving forward i learned when we have to market in a recession and this comes from i'm i'm just like mr hebert here you know it's all based on sales sure and when you get down to where moneys are tied and things are going it's sometimes those people that survive in that long run they double down all right and it's working people are going to pay a lot more attention to what they're spending and i i think increased visibility is there i'm kind of with tommy i would i would love to see a way to make sure we keep it to where we have the accessibility to get out in front of those people i think people are going to be looking now even harder at where they go i know my personally my family just you know some members of my family just canceled a trip they were going to go on just because of what the funds and the costs and the timing is i would hate to see us risk something like that but and i like tommy's idea of being performance based but when it comes to operations you have a head count and a staff and you have to ensure them you know you have this position and i i have it in my budget i'd love to see this go down like that but i hate to see a decrease in this at all i just learned about it when it popped

[1:05:52] up on the board but i do remember when we said it's going to be a year review when we go i just hate to see number one see that affects staff and number two to penalize those for doing a good job well i would say this i mean we can record meetings we can do that uh our marketing is is based on numbers so we have the numbers that i share with you when i do my presentation of the the reach but this is marketing i'll say this if marketing wasn't important coca-cola wouldn't market everybody knows coca-cola but they market because pepsi markets we don't know that someone isn't going to see our magazine in a doctor's office two weeks two years from now and come that is how marketing works but we can look at the the areas where we know that we could look at performance based certainly there's there's an opportunity there through meeting bookings event bookings but aside from that i i don't know what to tell you i just hate to see you slow up when we're doing such a good job okay but i realize there are times there are times where if we don't prove it and go it forward we have to cut back and trim and the whole society is doing that you know it's a recession we're all bearing that some so it's kind of that inevitable counterbalance based skill that's going to get us on both sides well mark marketing tends to be the first place people cut and every serving every article you ever read they say it's the last place you should and this as i shared with those organizations who all do a great job who are receiving hotel tax dollars if we are not marketing for visitors to come they will not come to their locations because they won't know to come but people in abilene odessa midland anywhere else will be telling them to come to see them they will not see ours

[1:07:54] much like the colorado model i mentioned i guess the issue would be is there flexibility in the and the budgeting that allows for marketing to maintain and other expenses to be cut because that's the other not significant no our our marketing majority of my uh up or my marketing budget goes to advertising and public relations majority of it and then also when we do travel to go to those conferences those trade shows those items we have to have for those trade shows all of that product has to be part of that whole picture it'll be it would be limited um i mean we can cut some trade shows but that seems to be defeats the purpose of what we're doing for hotel marketing dollars that are designated tax used for marketing to visitors what percent is marketing to your total budget i'm sorry what percent is marketing to your total budget right now it's a little over 50 percent when you include all of the marketing pieces that come with that so that would be inclusive of postage marketing advertising publicity i think it's around 540 something like that and i like to again maintain that higher than the other just because i think it's important that's our job to be marketers what is the convention servicing and supplies that includes all of the things that you take to a trade show the giveaway items some of the giveaway items but lanyards name tags all of the things that are required for those meetings that we provide perks to when visitors come and bring them an event here talk about what the trade shows have brought to san angelo the trade shows uh john specifically goes to south by southwest which is is one of those trade shows connect meetings that is where we get the rfps to bid on leads

[1:09:57] and so she has to be there along with all of the other texas cities we compete with in order to be able to say hey we're here in san angelo why don't you consider having a meeting if we're not there they don't see us and so we pay to go there and then we bring we book those events based off of those rfps that we receive i've had people ask why we changed the name from cvb to destination marketing organization because convention and visitors bureau was a poorly designed name when they first started them in 1899 our international association started they are now destinations international but they were destination marketing that's what they wanted people to understand that is what we do in our jobs is mark at the destination whether that's in a convention a visitor whatever it is it's still marketing of the destination so that's why we went with the name change and so that's the trend across the country it's been going on a long time we just haven't done it before this past year other questions comments yes karen forgive me if this isn't a very smart question but this is my first time at the table during during these proceedings so i'm curious um this organization gets what dollar amount in hot taxes compared to our own civic events it's not equal if you see those numbers up there's one's a million eight and the other it was 965 so and they carried over what 48 thousand so it's basically a million 12 to a million eight somewhere in that range i'm just asking because our our civic events group is generating revenue for the city correct so this is a little less easy for us to quantify i think maybe that's what's happening how how do you work with these buildings that

[1:11:58] we own that we're benefiting from we bring leads to them we when we get our leads we work with them on booking those events in these organ or in these buildings we also when they have bookings that they may have have gotten somehow we can provide them with the welcome bags and the other things that that group might need so that we can meet them so that we can encourage them to have future meetings and work through us so that we have that opportunity i know in the past it's been said that many of these organizations plan conventions two three years out so we would know for our 2022-2023 budget what organizations are looking at coming here for their conventions i don't have that in front of me i didn't print a list so i don't i don't i'm not in that daily day operation side of sales so i'm not in those bookings i do know that jonah has sent out numerous contracts to [Music] answering rfps we have not heard back on a definitive from the um the planner but both jonah and susannah send rfps and bids requests to our hoteliers we get that data back we present that to the planner and then the planner answers what i will also say to you after 2020 a lot of planners learn to live by zoom so some of that is because those planners were affected by this as well they are doing both zoom and virtual and some of them are doing the hybrid model which is a pretty common model right now so all of us in our world are working on how we help with that because that's going to include extra audio visual when a group does come to our community so all of those things affect everything that is happening but again not all of our business is based on on uh

[1:14:01] events and meetings it's also corporate i've been working very closely with the economic development team on working with them on how we can help get meetings we met with air motor that now has has turned into a school that howard college is offering based on a meeting we had with them to bring a meeting here for a week it has now turned into a new program so we are working with economic development to help work with that those corporate organizations those uh manufacturers to see how we can help impact bringing in even more people when they're here so that's corporate travel as well all of those things impact what we do in our destination marketing so i think in the past it's always been said that the marketing dollars that you have have to be spent outside the city that you cannot spend the marketing dollars within the significant portion of them yeah so talking about your marketing dollars describe how you where the marketing dollars have gone this past year texas monthly texas highways authentic texas magazine texas events calendar we have gone to trade shows we have gone to public relations shows with the travel texas team which is the governor's office they have us go there we represent san angelo aside all of our other competitors we participate in a lot of activities like that i can't name all of them but we we are trying to be present in a majority of the larger operations so travel texas is the number one travel texas our travel website for texas that is produced by the governor's office tourtexas.com is right behind them agr media does that program they also do the publications for the texas um the main book for the governor's office sorry it just left me a texas state travel guide we're there we're in all of those publications that will be a significant cut um

[1:16:04] with this budget but what if you if and i get that so if you say what happened in 2019 2020 those dollars weren't well 2020 those dollars would have been there but in 2019 they weren't so what's the change in that strategy because the dollars weren't there you had 865 thousand eight hundred ninety years we had sales we had actual sales people going out and selling our community so the dollars went up because we were doing that but that also affects our travel a budget cut affects travel how much can we go travel if if we have a budget cut because the expense dollars of hotel stays fuel all of the things that go with that it's not just a simple cut the ad it's there's a lot more to our role than that it's not just putting placing an ad in the newspaper doing social media seo sem search engine optimization search engine marketing we do that with madden media they have helped moved us from page eight on a google search to number two after the city those are all things that we pay to have happen are you pleased with the results from advertising in texas highways and texas monthly yes i am and so that result would be that tell us about that we know that i again i just not prepared for all of this um but you know your business so we know you know a million people see those magazines because they have that kind of a distribution and then whoever those magazines go to later whatever that subscription is is is left on a table somewhere for other people to see it so it's a continued return we have now started adding qr codes to our advertising jasmine has put those in so we can track some of that so that will be another way to look at potential tracking to see who's booking those

[1:18:07] booking room nights based on what they saw in an ad if they scanned it and do we have some of that information i don't know right yet no because we just started that okay yes i'm hung up on the performance yeah not not your performance that's not but the dollar investment well not really right now not to justify i don't like that word either what could i could i ask this question to maybe help how did the other organizations that receive hot tax showcase how many how they were able to track hotel rooms i i would like to know that maybe we can piggyback on what they do well i would assume day in and day out you're working with those organizations and your marketing efforts so because their monies are so tiny it really doesn't buy them much in terms of of the marketing dollars that you have here so they count on your ability to take these marketing dollars and promote there but but their dollars are you are supposed to be used for that because of the state law so that's why i'm asking that question so how are they tracking their 50 000 or because then maybe i can tell that because our advertising isn't focused on one entity it's focused on a community it's a very different well howard just left and i think he could have answered that for you so um because they do have a lot of tracking on what happens at the museum but they have a facility just like sapac has a facility if you talk about the fort if you talk about downtown if you talk about i don't know who else is up there those for example downtown has multiple businesses multiple everything it's hard to track that if you ask eggmyers how much of their business comes from outside of town they'll tell you most of it so but we they would have to take an inventory of every single business to come up with

[1:20:10] that specifically i think we would have to do the same honestly because your dollars we represent an entire city and people who see our ads may go to a store they may go we don't have any way to track that none of those organizations got the big jump in funding that you got in 2020 they've been maintained at these dollar amounts for a while so i understand that but a tracking mechanism for all of them if we had that understood how they tracked them we could perhaps track too because i thought we all presented the same thing in these yes and no i mean obviously again i go back to dollars they don't have a marketing budget that's been uh paid for by hot tax they don't have if you will and most i mean you can go through the different lines they don't have all of that but they're more that's a narrower perspective yours is a much broader sure and it like all of those areas of hot tax funding they pull from a wide range i said sales tax dollars in this city come from not only the citizens of this city but a 17-county region on top of people from senate cities we don't even know countries we don't even know come and support that sales tax column and hopefully with exception most of them who are in our regional area spend some nights in hotels majority of just based on google excuse me analytics on discover san angelo the top i want to say top nine cities who are on our website are not in that 17 county region they are in austin san antonio houston dallas fort worth those larger cities so those are the people looking at our website in the top ten i think abilene's the only other city thank you yeah so on hotel occupancy um this was a great report that um has been done by

[1:22:14] mike berry michael looney it shows hotel occupancy up in the first quarter of 2022 to 2021 56.4 percent or a 4.1 percent increase in hotel occupancy in the first quarter what was our increase if you'll go back and refresh our memory on the hotel occupancy increase in dollar amounts in 2021 and 2020. and i would like to add something about um last year in august of 2021 the courtyard was struck by lightning it's our top hotel if you will as for because of meeting space so we did not have full meeting space or full access to that hotel which we use a lot for meetings for nine months so it's it for the first few months i don't think it was open at all and then because we had to move some folks then it we had i think 60 of the 92 rooms and then recently they just completed all of those rooms that was a significant impact in that number right there if you take those rooms away from total room capacity what was the hotel occupancy i i would have to it would happen the issue would be did it because i will say this of the 2800 hotel rooms we have 800 of them are rooms that our meeting planners will use 800 of the what number of the 2 800 hotel rooms in our community because those 800 have some level of conference room availability not necessarily just quality of hotel so when one hotel like that is impacted it makes a significant dent in what we do what was it i need the hotel occupancy numbers please

[1:24:24] like we did with sales tax yeah what was the hotel occupancy as a percent in 2021 and in 2020. we pulled that back to 2018. 2018 is on increase of 26.1 percent 2019 saw an increase of 10.8 percent 20 saw a decrease of 15.6 percent and in 2021 we saw an almost 12 percent increase which brought us almost back to 2019 numbers and actuals so they increased even though that those rooms were out of oh that was 20 21. not 21. so 2021 what with those numbers 2021 we saw an increase of 11.69 over 2020. of course 2020 was a pretty negative year being coveted so okay so further question of tommy here's my here's my i guess my preference i would like to to i'll say restore the funding i and i'm not sure based on different fiscal years and so i don't know what that number is but let's go whatever the number would be would be to allow diane to have that money but then somehow figure out a mechanism [Music] to let us know what that is getting for us and i don't know what that mechanism is um is that something you would i'll say would be willing or you think he might be able to do diane we can we can try i mean you know occupancy can we take full credit for hotel occupancy certainly not but no marketing is not going to get us hotel occupancy so i you know i you know maybe result maybe maybe we base it on results and not necessarily but i i guess on maybe on dollar results again i'm i'm i'm living in my head here where in the world i live in it's all results

[1:26:28] oriented and i well and i feel and fighting for my staff here that we have shown great results and if listening to you talk i i agree um so mayor i would be willing over the next couple of weeks with diane maybe tina kimberly uh somebody to to maybe brainstorm through this a little bit to see if we can't figure out something that uh would be acceptable to all concerned would that be acceptable if you're are you saying just to be clear that what we want to do is have some defined mechanisms for evaluation or evaluation of of of the performance again whether it be dollar we'd have to come to an agreement on that and we might we might come to the point where where we agree to disagree but um but attempt to do that um to to be able to uh allow diane to have have it sounds to me like the case you've built at least in my mind um it sounds to me like she uses her her dollars pretty doggone wisely and and the results are there but maybe we need just a way to quantify that um so if would you allow me to work with diane and tina and and maybe whatever appropriate staff to see if we can't come up with or maybe would you be willing to i can help where we need to help questions i'd be happy to so you you've returned funds before like co would you return yes i i well i returned my first year i started in april and i did not spend i think it was over a hundred thousand dollars because i didn't want to spend just to spend because that's not what i do i think that's a key comment and in in 2020 i came to this organization after i got off a plane in canada in march

[1:28:30] and asked that if i could save two hundred thousand dollars instead of spending it just to spend it and carry it over for the following year because i knew that the pandemic was going to cause issues for us didn't know it was going to go into 2021 but i was following the trends that at our national level that was saying that to us so i wanted to be more proactive than reactive on that and so i was the person who came to you asking you if we could do that so i i take being a steward of the public funds very seriously so our priority here is the growth of the city i mean everything behind us all whatever egos and everything we have our priority here is the growth of the city or to decrease the decline that other people feel feel that we shouldn't okay i think you've returned funds back to the city before yes sir and you are not a frivolous spender i have worked with people that have budgets in private industry you know hey we have money sitting there let's just spend it because it's there because if we don't we won't get it you haven't shown that behavior and we appreciate that i mean that's that's positive to me i'm i'm with tommy i think there's some benchmarks we need to do but we didn't we need to make sure we hit those benchmarks to keep it keep it going there i see no reason the performance here to you know we're looking at a an eight percent decline year over year in your budget versus uh if you take the numbers you said it's like a 12 decline in there i don't see anything that goes on there that doesn't mean we can't reverse this and look at some way to hit that i mean that's a hard decline for any of us to absorb it anywhere and i don't want to see that decrease in our marketing i mean i i have my mother and sister come back and they have met you all over the state in different places and and that's a good thing i'm not saying i'm just saying i personally hear that you're out there but then again we need to look at we manage these departments and i hear brendan daniel say you know it was a year to your contract and here's what we want to look at and we want to be frugal with what we have we need to you know think big and heck small and with that i'll if i if i can help tommy or something done that way well i would say this and i appreciate your

[1:30:31] comments uh what i would say and what we are using with our economic development i have a video out that i ended i change had it changed to include it all starts with a visit you cannot grow this community if people don't know to come to visit it and if you aren't telling them to come they will not come you will not bring workforce you will not bring new business so that is why we purposely added that at the end of our video so that we could have economic development be able to use that video in their marketing efforts as well i think that's the best statement ever if it all starts with a visit and i think regardless of what we talk about it all does start with a visit and i think that phrase is something that needs to be pushed out there more and more you know san angelo has to fight pretty hard right now to maintain who we are and i say that relative to quality of life because the statistics are the following we are diminishing in importance if you look at the state as it relates to economic growth is it as it relates to sales tax as it relates to population as it relates to the importance of the state we are a quality of life city so as people say the question mark is how do our citizens feel about that and what would do they want from us as a quality of life and so some of that goes back to our facilities and making sure that our facilities have the money they need to ensure the quality of life for our citizens whether it's the river stage which citizens in this city really enjoy whether it's the coliseum where a lot of great things happen out at the coliseum whether it's texas bank sports whatever those issues are we have to have a commitment to ensure that

[1:32:32] those facilities are the best they can be based off of the dollars we have available and we have to have a commitment to your organization that says this is the best we can do for funding to get what we need out of it and i think when we made a comment that said this should be a one-year budget we as a council were very delinquent in not reviewing that on a year-to-year basis covet certainly impacted it the next year where were we said hey one year we went let it go three years without review and that's wrong on this council's perspective we committed to one year we didn't commit to a lifetime and we need to be able to evaluate it not to be a threat to your organizations because it's not a threat it has to be because it is the the dollar value is invested in a manner that everybody can see the payback on and i think you do that with a lot of your marketing i think going from a big focus on print to a focus on social media is probably a great savings if you look at 10 years ago in terms of how the dollars were spent but i think we have to have performance measures and i think we have to better understand what we the council want out of diane's area we applaud her and thank her for all the presentations that she makes we need to do better than that we're not we need to be asking questions understanding the areas of investment and understanding what we need as a council in terms of if she's our key marketing person what do we expect of that marketing organization not silence and we've given silence we need to be more supportive and more

[1:34:36] communicative for a million bucks we deserve to be asking more questions and not just passing it through because that's what it is and because that will impact her if it goes down we need to be involved it's the single largest dollar amount we have up there and we can't answer a lot of the questions we need to be invested and we need to be supportive and so what we're going to do in the next few weeks is you guys are going to sit down and come up with some quantitative analysis and better understand the focus and to make sure it ties in with what we the city council wants it to be but we can't be silent guys no and i mean i'll sit there i see what you're saying i hated to be the one that it's gone so well i'd hate to be the one that stepped in and make it go downhill well it did good until tom got involved had that happen before so anyway you know we haven't had three years of um continual i mean like we said covet impacted one year we carried over we just we come on guys we need to get involved if we're going to give them a billion dollars and we're not committed to it yet we need to understand what we're doing here i understand what you're saying mayor and like um for me it's it's like okay we're approving the million dollars in what are we getting in return what is the profit that we give you this money we want to know what are you doing what what kind of stuff and it doesn't and for me it's it doesn't cut it once a year because we forget from you know if it could be every four months an update review of what she does quarterly reports but she needs more direction from city council in terms of our expectations because they currently they tell us what they're going to do we need to be more involved in the front end and

[1:36:38] understanding what she wants to invest in and so we're knowledgeable the recap is already done and we need to know are there going to be big events big wonderful things happening because right now we're in what july almost july so you assume there's nothing on the books right now for the next quarter why would you assume that well i've asked and so tell me if there is i mean we talked about the wild west i mean there are i mean there are a number of events the um san angelo revolution film festival we have a tattoo convention that is a brand new event that is being created we have a dia de los muertos event we have a significant number of events uh throughout the rest of the year but again we're not just events are not where we bring in the most in hotel tax dollars agreed agreed that's my point yes yes we'll let harry speak on this too but tommy and i will take a much more aggressive approach and sitting down and getting with the board and council members here and making sure we try to do at least something quarterly and and be more involved at least provide input to where it goes both ways good harry i certainly appreciate the approach that tom and tommy are going to take on this i've had the opportunity to sit in on most of the meetings over the last three or four years because i kind of said it is the liaison between the city and destination marketing and of course at those particular meetings we see all of the reports the uh bookings that we're going to have the uh what the percentage of rooms are what that adr is so every every month during that meeting i've got that advantage of seeing all of that information and i suspect that if other people were able to see that on a more regular basis then they want to understand

[1:38:41] where the dollars are going and how they're impacting the amount of people that are coming to san angelo well and i think the point i think the events that diane just talked about are really great events they've been good they're not new this year they've been good and they've been successful how much of it comes brings people in from the outside i don't know but the work and effort on those events have been terrific and people have thoroughly enjoyed them i'm talking about things like cowboy jubilee i'm talking about things like the air race i'm not talking about the organizations who are bringing their event or having an event for their organization as a fundraising event but you guys participate in that and you help in that so you're part of the team that pulls that off okay with that thank you diane i think lunch is here we should take a break act call this meeting back to order at 121 and proceed with the items for consideration guy you're on okay well thank you mayor this will be the my first time to uh not start a meeting with trains planes and automobiles so and stop you got to it's not an option to get it out there my also my work group dared me to just tell you this is the most boring budget you'll probably see and so there it is uh talk through it so i had to get that out of the way for nolan's entertainment out here but a flat budget pretty much flat budget we're following suit with the city in terms of revenue projections so we're projecting an increase there of 82 319. for the 56 283 is for leases we have more leases within the

[1:40:45] business resource center and also anticipate additional interest so our total revenue uh projected an increase of 129 128 so approximately 2.9 million dollars uh revenue projected the only positive to this inflation and is the higher interest rates and the income produced from that i'm not saying that's a good thing for most people but as it relates to budgeting for the city that's a positive so the slight increase in personnel 3106 is due to longevity pay loyalty pay rather slight increase in o m for new leases on copy machines and then that line capital is actually the amount of money that goes into future projects so we anticipate starting off with a million 625 964 future projects so be glad to answer any questions you might have i think the first thing people would would say relative to the financial statements that were provided as part of this conversation is where you look at operations and maintenance assigned projects where the fiscal year to date as of june would be 2 629 939 and then the proposed budget of 829 000 so there's a significant drop in that number as there have been in previous years so just talk through why that how that happens tina's got it on the ballot site yeah um so that is because we do not budget for those incentive agreements in the original budget those are part of our carryover process and so that number will increase once we do carryovers for

[1:42:48] the development corporation so just so everybody understands that 829 is not a final number that's not the number if you look at the previous years and look at those numbers you will see that that number ultimately be impacted in that same kind of way because we have carryover projects that are already funded out of past dollars and budgets that are not complete yet would then become a part of this year's budget number so that would change i guess just as a reminder we do collect a half cent sales tax is what we get and 78 percent of that 72 percent of that rather goes to the ballot side and then the other 28 percent comes over and that's the money that we have to spend for economic and community development you want to update people in the projects that are going to be carry over like the skyline project where are we on that skyline project we're still in uh negotiations on that we've had several meetings lately and are trying to finalize the final red line agreements on that so we do hope to have shortly a agreed upon agreement performance agreement with skyline in regard to that we did in regard to the rail port operations and y'all were involved in that as we did release their lane on the property so that they're able to sell property within the the rail port operation and then uh the other item that we've worked on for a long time it's not really a budgeted item but just to remind you that during the year uh we uh both i-14 and i-27 have been designated federally so a great way just fyi on the lobbying line that is the dollars that we give to ports to

[1:44:52] planes in the i-14 corridor right the pace of the lobbying that's gotten us where we're at today so that's what that lobby number is it's those two specific interstate projects i would for those that may not know this judge steve floyd is now the president of the i-14 gulf states highway coalition so that's great to have it back here in san angelo a significant portion of that in more input more control he doesn't give that up even when he no longer is the judge he continues in that position so that does not change that's correct and mayor is also co-chair on the i-27 and currently existing president for the i-27 advisory committee right okay any other questions for guy or nolan at this point as you said pretty simple go ahead tina i just want to point out that we're currently budgeting sales tax revenue at five percent decrease from this year's expected actuals we'll of course they would update that when we meet with city council for the general fund budget workshop those numbers will be reflected in this budget you know consistent with what the the city decides to do but with that i don't have anything else we can move on to the ballot side of the development corporation so in other words those numbers could change relative to revenue sales tax we are hoping to have one more month for august of sales tax revenue under our belts before we meet for general fund workshops so that we could update and reflect those numbers there so on the ballot side again same thing um same project what the ballot slide means okay so like geiger referenced earlier uh 72 percent of the type b sales tax revenue goes for long-term water supply type projects the other 28 percent going for economic development projects so the ballot side we refer to is the 72 percent that's reserved for water supply

[1:46:56] type projects so the same thing with sales tax revenue there again five percent below what we're projecting and then of course a slight decrease in o m and the capital just represents unassigned projects yes if i might tina at some future council meeting would you be willing to bring to us or maybe cosa dc those ballot items that are still out there that were that are pending i know fort concho exactly is one of them but sometimes because it's been such a long period of time we kind of forget what those are we did just approve one of the big ones that's left and that is the park on 29th street that we just approved and that's one of the big dollar ticket items that was part of that ballot we got 7.5 million dollars there there's some significant projects as far as the specifically mentioned ballot items and that's what you're referring to they've all been funded at this point as far as what the development corporation i wouldn't say they're completely funded but as far as what the development corporation was obligated to fund they've been funded and those projects are now tracked in our fund 502 under the city side as separate line items the last big one was the park yes all right any questions for the questions or comments with none we'll move forward to the airport fund planes trains planes is coming up now don't bring up escalators [Music]

[1:49:04] you're on good afternoon i'm jeremy valgartson representing your fine airport today um i'd like i have a pretty i have a balanced budget and a pretty simple budget um as you can see my revenues have gone up especially my lease revenues that was from the border patrol east that we signed um i've got several irons in the fire now and hopefully we'll have some more leash revenue coming um not part of this budget year but possibly in this fiscal year so things are looking really good at the airport this fiscal year you mean before october 1. uh possibly okay yep depends on how fast the government can move but probably won't see it then rental car revenues are also up we've had good conversations with them they've been more successful it's still a hard time getting additional cars but we are talking we replaced the one rental company that closed their doors oh yeah was it hurts it was hurts hurts dollar thrifty yup so the others have brought in more cars yeah yep the other thing is the brand being gone they have if you go out there it looks like a used car lot over by the baseball fields because they're bringing in so many vehicles but and they're still selling out almost every day so rental car concessions are up if rental cars concessions are up i'm assuming so are hotel revenues because most of them who rent a car also stand yes jeremy since hertz left is there in your negotiations is there a rental car facility that we can actually rent a car in dallas and come here i say that again so if i'm in dallas and i have to drive in and the flight gets canceled i went through this personally six months ago there's no company here where i can rent a car in dallas and drive it one way um i think it's a fee you can you just pay a big fee i mean there wasn't any of them me and another person out there i mean there was no hurts nobody that would do a one-way because anymore and that's i

[1:51:08] have heard about that happening several times people are there and can't get home that would have got a rental car but none of them will rent a one way to angelo i know enterprise will an enterprise actually has four or five stalls at the terminal that they rent you drop the car off and then they'll pick the car up and take it downtown they do offer one way the problem is they just don't have availability that might have been that issue but i mean it's i've heard that from several people say i get there i cancel the last flight i have to be here the next day i can't get a rental car i think what we need is an str short-term rental that you can if you're not if you're going on vacation you don't need your car you can put it out there as a short-term rental absolutely do it in dallas you're dismissed mayor sorry all right sorry about the sidebar jeremy okay keep on going okay moving on just my landing fees are down and that's um mostly because the charters the charters really haven't picked back up since the coronavirus are they communicating to you when they might start back up they don't actually tsa gets the information before i even get it we have another charter going out next month but that may that'll make two for the entire year calendar year so we yeah charter charter sales are way down right now you're not on that one are you losing american airlines is also cutting their flights so they're going down to three sometimes two flights but they're bringing in bigger aircraft so we're not losing any capacity we're still going to have the same amount of seats we're actually going to gain seats on a day-to-day basis question mark is the timing of the departures and arrivals because when you reduce the number of flights it's not as always so convenient based off of when you need to leave and when you need to get somewhere this is their solution to the pilot shortage um the 175 it's a it's a two-man crew they're still going to have the morning flight so we'll have the early morning flight sometime in the afternoon we

[1:53:10] don't know the schedule yet and then the late night flight will come back in so we'll always have that one overnight flight to get out in the morning but they are cutting at least one flight sometimes two flights a day on the weekends when it's not as busy but that doesn't mean we're losing in payments and payments are still up so pfcs are doing good uh we're just going to lose a little bit in landing fees okay um other than that it's a pretty balanced budget the badges are staying consistent um seem to be happy and healthy out there so why don't you share with council um the south taxiway extension that you've been working to get the funding for and opening it up for further hangar development right so the south taxi lane that is a federally funded project through the aig grants as the airport improvement grants as part of the bipartisan infrastructure law that biden signed we're going to get about 5.5 million over a five-year period what the faa is doing is they're going to tack that money onto our yearly entitlement money so that's going to delay our project and i just learned this just the other day actually we're not going to get the south taxi lane built until the runway 927 conversion happens we're going to bid them out together to get some hopefully better pricing fa is really really concerned especially in west texas with inflation it just it costs so much money to get a contractor here that's able to do that scope um and so they want to try and maximize our dollars and do that together so we're looking mayor probably mid-summer of 23 for the south taxi lane completion that's when we're going to shut down the other taxi line is that what you're saying yeah that's when we'll convert runway 927 to taxiway hotel right other questions for jeremy okay thank you for waiting all day long thank you

[1:55:23] allison did you find out what the price of that equipment is outside no i didn't go look oh we want one [Music] all right good afternoon um also like jeremy presenting a balanced budget starting with revenue we are projecting sales at a 1.2 million dollar increase this is in line with fy21 actuals which was actually less than fy20 actuals fy20 we were at 31.47 million dollars so we're budgeting flat with fy21 actuals we are seeing similar water demands as fy21 and so that's why we feel that we're tracking on this in a similar basis uh for water sales uh the remaining uh other increase of 432 000 some of that is due to lake leases so out of lake nazareth where homeowners are still leasing their lake lot there was that plan to move those inc or those percentage increases in their lake lease is going up so there is about 25 000 associated with that then we also receive money from other divisions such as storm water and trash because the water fund does all the billing services and so for those billing and customer service functions there is an increase in those and then the others are from transfers in one of them is from interest income from the lake nasworthy trust fund so that's fund 640. there's about 41 000 of an increase there and then also an increase in what we transfer from the sewer fund to fund utility maintenance because utility maintenance covers both water and wastewater in our functions but is

[1:57:27] paid solely out of the water fund so that's it for revenue if you all have particular questions about that one other component mayor i would mention that you mentioned earlier is interest income we're projecting that to increase to the water fund with over 250 000 for expenses personnel is up uh 365 000 o m is up to 660 and then we are increasing our capital line to a balanced budget and the capital line is dedicated uh almost primarily right at this moment to keep up with the street program so the college hills uh bell street those type of projects uh it would be to do the water line replacements for that project for those explaining the personnel line because most of the personnels or lines are barely up only for longevity pace so you want to talk about your personnel increases yes ma'am one of those is a reorganization of the water utilities fund i was approved to have a second assistant director for the water utilities this is primarily due to the workload and the regulation and reporting requirements that we see through all the entities that we have to report to we also had reorganization as far as our lowest pay grade was a grade 11. and then we did i guess citywide that was moved up to a pay grade 12. so some of my lowest level employee or the lowest level employees were bumped up on pay grade and so there was about thirty five thousand dollars associated with that um it's a hundred and five thousand dollars for the second assistant director that i was discussing 16.8 thousand dollars of in loyalty pay and also with the water fund and wastewater fund as our employees get licenses and go to classes they do

[1:59:30] get license pay for those licenses that they hold for us and so there is an increase in that line of 38 thousand dollars ultimately with all of those i guess salary increases and incentive pay increases we had a net increase of a hundred and one thousand dollars to benefits and so that is the largest portion of that personnel line increase what part of it is that those what do you call them things that we added those people that we added csis so those were reflected in last year's budget because they were approved through the budget process so no they were approved i just didn't think we had hired them yet so i'd wondered what part of this because i don't think he had them all we did not have them correct we did not have them hired at that point but when we go into a budget we hire we budget for all vacant positions as well as field positions so it was there were dollars allocated in last year's budget for those even though we had not hired them at that point but once we started marketing and advertising for those we we had the dollars already in the fund to pay those those employees okay and let's see questions from council this might i'm on i don't think it's on this one so i might be asking ahead of time which is fine but on one of the presentations that you made earlier this year i think in may it was about drilling the additional wells at hickory aquifer etc and i think in looking at those documents it showed that we would be in the process of starting that work in may of this year so i think that meeting was in march maybe so where are we on the hickory aquifer additional whales well expansion project um they have actually drilled down to

[2:01:32] the full depth of the first well that's a little over three thousand feet deep they're doing the top reams which is basically it's an upside down wedding cake as you drill down into the hickory but the main hole to the hickory formation for the first well has been complete there's been lots of grubbing and clearing of right-of-way there are new roads already built to about two of the well sites i think three of the five well site pads are ready for rigs to move in the driller is a few days behind schedule but they are mobilizing because of rain i wish i truly do um no just because of the the hard conditions that they're drilling in and so it was their intention to drill all five with one rig they are mobilizing in a second rig right now to assist and get them back on track um and then that that's the drilling contractor plw which is the contractor for uh both the in-town work and uh the remaining work out there um clearing has been done at the water treatment plant they're starting to receive materials um and so their construction trailers are set up it's becoming almost a full fledge uh construction site at the water plant as well as the the ranch itself you're pleased so far with the program yes we're only a couple months into the construction project but yes i've been very pleased we have monthly progress meetings um trying to visit the well site more often but everything is clean and it's all it's going well um this might i want to talk to ask it but no that's i have my notes to ask for a follow-up on that so continue so go ahead to your water reclamation fund because i don't think anybody had any questions on this too is a balanced budget unlike water fund wastewater fees we are

[2:03:35] not seeing much of an increase and it is we also need to know that with uh wastewater two things there are large portions of san angelo that we don't serve with wastewater capacity um and because they have septic yes that is because they have septic and just because the extents of our sewer system don't reach to some of those subdivisions um and then we're also annexing and uh bringing in some subdivisions that like the one off ratliff road that will be served by septic facilities the other portion is that the usage or how we bill for sewers off a winter quarter average and so we do not bill peak usage in the summer because most of that is going to irrigation so we bill off the warner quarter average and so we're budgeting that flat with the revenues that we were that we budgeted for last year um the other one the other line is primarily due to interest income 164 000 of that okay questions from council on this fund on what it brings up to me obviously is the lake nazworthy uh sewer system project that we're working on so update us on where we're at because one of the past meetings we said that and by november all of that work would be done and we might have the opportunity to start working yes the design work is still on track to be complete by november so that we can start the advertising and procurement process to get a contractor on board for the construction of that project but yes we're still on the november um i guess schedule for those design drawings to be complete that i think is one of the most important things we all are waiting for and anticipating because the amount of growth and development it's holding up so

[2:05:38] you've heard me say it before but and i've talked to several men yes i've talked to several developers that are chomping at the bit for that project too so we we're trying to push it through as fast as we can again questions comments from anybody moving on um all right good afternoon mayor council talk real quickly about the storm water fund budgeted flat again this year for that revenues are going to equal expenses overall for this fund our revenues have not increased substantially since we since the inception of the billing on that in this particular fund in 2010 we set the fees and those fees have not increased so therefore we have a nominal increase only through the increase in the number of bills that we send out so we historically have built flat for the revenue on the stormwater fund the the 26 thousand dollars that you see there and others is all interest income you know how much on these all these funds that we're talking about right now how much is the total interest income that we will see this year i mean i mean i remember maybe it was last year when you talked about the large dollar amount that was impacting the fun our funds our revenue because of low interest rates so this year we have higher interest rates total i haven't calculated that in

[2:07:42] an aggregate aggregate amount citywide but we could definitely share that at the same point let's just talk about it because that okay yeah at the next workshop we'll have that ready okay and then similarly on the expense side our expense revenue our expense budget is fairly the same as it has been over the years past a slight increase in personnel due to that same increase in the lowest pay grade up from a grade 11 to a grade 12. and then our o m bumped up just a little bit because we moved a little bit of what we used to budget in capital capital projects up into our o m to try to do try to take care of some small in-house type projects so that's why you see that that movement of those two dollar amounts there in o m and in capital i was going to say patrick i think part of that is related to fuel and vehicle maintenance costs as well that is correct we're seeing that city-wide too of course yes ma'am okay questions for patrick with none being asked thank you i've got the solid waste fund as well so we'll roll right into that similarly the solid waste waste fund is pretty uneventful on the revenue side the 93 000 that you see an increase there is obviously interest revenue and then the user fees is that contracted increase between the landfill and the collection services that we see that was contracted whenever we renewed that the collections in the landfill contracts in 2014. on the expenditure side pretty pretty basic there on the o m we moved some o m money from our professional services as we looked at the permitting process we've got the bulk of that encumbered already so moved some of that line out of last year's budget and reflected in the song this coming year's budget and just

[2:09:46] dropped out it down into capital into the contingency line for that that particular section one of the things that is new in this particular budget is the addition of the ksab uh fund into here so the k-sub used to was a standalone angel beautiful thing keep saying angelo beautiful that is correct um the k-sab uh this current year we negotiated and we pulled them underneath the umbrella the solid waste fund because they do provide a service that aligns with the goal and the objective of the solid waste department in doing that we also incorporated the water conservation manager into that same position so there's some alignment there as well from a conservation and just an economic uh or ecological standpoint so you'll see there's a hundred and ten thousand dollars there that we have budgeted that wasn't budgeted before strictly to cover those operating expenses for that particular fund it makes sense and those people should be in this fund i would clarify that they are still in a separate fund because they're a separate legal entity however organizationally they will now fall under public works questions scene moving on thank you mayor kimberly pulled the number for interest the increase in increase interest income this year that we're projecting and budgeting is over 1.1 million dollars is that it it's huge okay then do i as a matter of the process i need a announcement we originally planned for the general fund workshop to be on the 9th of august tom thompson cannot be here for that so specifically a random council person shouldn't be here there's somebody sitting up here

[2:11:49] so we've moved that to the 11th which is just fine because it gives us more time actually to get some information from sales tax trends so um thank you for not being available because you've helped us out is that on purpose there you go in august it was originally on the 9th well whatever little time once a little time yes maybe tom hashtag baby tom and with that i will entertain a motion for adjournment don't move all in favor stand up and go you

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