San Angelo City Council 8-20-13

[0:00:11] he is the preacher at the harvest baptist church and i will ask him to give our invocation so if you would all rise thank you all right thank you very much could we bow for prayer at this time our heavenly father we come to your throne of grace this morning lord thanking you for all that you do for us and we're so glad that we have a privilege to address you as our heavenly father we understand from the word of god that the heavens declare the glory of god and the firmament showeth his handiwork lord we realize today that the earth is yours and you will possess the fullness of it but you also possess the dwellers of it and lord we thank you today that we have the privilege to just come and and bow and and ask you for your hand of blessing upon this time upon this meeting lord we thank you for our our past fathers we thank you for the ones that gave us a wonderful country like america we thank you that they had the vision of starting a nation one nation under god and that lord they have procured it for us and and now it's our job to carry the responsibility on lord we're thankful that uh for uh our our federal government for our president we're thankful lord for the leadership there and we pray that they would be seeking your direction to lead our country we thank you for the good state of texas and lord i pray that you would bless this wonderful state thank you for the good leaders you've raised up in this state and now here we are in our own community lord we're asking you

[0:02:15] for your direction to guide our our government here and and to give us wisdom we sure need your help father and i pray that as you have given us direction and you've given us the ability to understand things i pray that we would take that knowledge and use it wisely bless our leaders give them the wisdom to lead our community and lord we do thank you for this wonderful community bless only as you can this day it's in christ's name we pray and we ask it amen amen thank you sir i appreciate you very much now i would like to bring forward mr cash conley cash is the son of stephen conley who's in our irrigation horticultural supervisor in the parks operation division and mr cash is going to help us with the pledge of allegiance for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all honor the texas flag i pledge allegiance to thee texas one state under god one and indivisible thank you buddy good job good job and now we have some proclamations is there anyone here from the lighthouse for the blind west texas lighthouse for the blind i'm going to read it anyway and i'll give it to you mr ramirez and you can get to the affair let me read this proclamation whereas the west texas lighthouse for the blind is a community-based non-profit organization providing employment opportunities to people who are blind or visually impaired in san

[0:04:16] angelo and 40 west texas counties and whereas the west texas lighthouse for the blind provides a safe place to work on the job training competitive wages and benefits to the visually impaired so that they can gain independence and a better quality of life and whereas the west texas lighthouse for the blind provides on-time goods and services at a competitive price to the state of texas and the federal government and whereas in san angelo the tech in san angelo texas the west texas lighthouse for the blind provides employment opportunities and training to 38 people who are blind or visually impaired and whereas san angelo texas recognizes the important contribution and mission of creating jobs and changing lives of the west texas lighthouse for the blind to san angelo texas and its citizens i there now therefore i dwayne morrison mayor of the city of san angelo texas on behalf of the city council do hereby proclaim the week of august 26 through august 3213 as west texas lighthouse services week to recognize the staff and employees of the west texas lighthouse for their contribution to the community for these past 50 years and to wish them many more years of success for their endeavors and i think officially the 50 year will be on this next saturday i believe so i'll just present that to them then all right we have one more a couple more proclamations this is to the state games the state games of america participant seth demir san angelo recreation track club and if you would come forward please mr seth good morning and i am impressed by this young man let me read this this is a special recognition for seth whereas the state games of america was held july 31 through august 4 to 13 in hershey pennsylvania and was attended by seth demure of the san angelo recreation track club and whereas seth qualified to

[0:06:20] participate in this competition by placing in the top three in his age division for the 16 under pole vault competition in last year's texas amateur athletic federation summer games of texas and whereas seth was able to bring home a gold medal for his exemplary performance in the pole vault competition at the state games of america hershey pennsylvania seth faced fierce competition from athletes across the nation now therefore i dwayne morrison mayor of the city of san angelo on behalf of the city council do hereby recognize and sincerely applaud the athletic outstanding athletic ability of seth demir thank you he brought me chocolate let's read this again let's get a picture thank you man congratulations i'm not sure it's my chocolate no no let me hold the femur yeah seth let me give you this please all right and we have one more proclamation this is for the 213 corpus christi games of texas bailey kinney broke the state 800 mem meter zach cabrera jessica simon if you all would please come forward let me read this and present you good morning how are you good morning let me read this please the texas amateur athletic federation 213 games of texas state track meet was held july 25 through 28-13 in corpus christi texas and was attended by hagin stout jessica simon bailey kinney and zach cabrera of the san angelo recreation track club and whereas the taaf summer games of texas

[0:08:23] is the largest amateur athletic event held in texas and these individuals performed commendably whereas hagen stout brought home the bronze in 1600 pole vault jessica simon brought home the silver in the 12 under 1600 meter run bailey kinney brought home the silver and the 14 under girls 800 meter run and set the state record for the 12 undergirls 800 meter run in the 212 212 games and zach cabrera brought home the silver in the boys 16 under 1600 meter run now therefore i dwayne morrison mayor of the city of san angelo on behalf of the city council do hereby recognize and sincerely applaud the outstanding athletic ability of hagan stout jessica simon bailey kenny and zach cabrera y'all want to make speech next week let me give you this and let's get a picture hold that up so so brian can get a picture of it thank you very much mr mayor yes sir i'd also like to recognize one of our staff employees marianne what is rob i went blank on robert's last name robert aldethe at those events there was a young lady i believe that had a seizure and he went to her rescue and was able to help her out and and make sure she was okay so robert stand up man you need a handle thank you thank you for bringing it up johnny seth i forgot to ask you if you want to make speech do you want to make a speech speech i didn't i didn't overlook intentionally i just

[0:10:24] overlooked it do you think you should open the box no sir that's chocolate staying right where it is i should have taken them when you first brought them up here it's too late now thank you all right we have oh my goodness i think there you go hold on just a minute seth we did open this up i need a picture of that brian we need a picture buddy i thought it was way too heavy what does it say it says city of san angelo thank you for your summer track program and it's signed by seth all right i used to work with his mom she reminded me years ago yesterday it meant something no i'm glad you did man i would hate it to miss that opportunity all right this is the time for public comment when the council takes public comment on all items in the regular agenda public input on a regular agenda item will be taken at its appropriate discussion public input on an item not on the agenda or consent agenda may be identified and requested for consideration for the council at this time the public may request an item to be placed on a future agenda or a consent agenda item to be moved to the regular agenda for public comment on public hearing items public input will be received on each item immediately following the council discussion and prior to any action on the item each member of the public should make the remarks from the podium begin by stating their name

[0:12:27] remarks by each citizen will be limited to three to five minutes unless waived by a council member for speaking on that matter no individual will be allowed to speak more than once on any one subject until every citizen wishing to comment has done so so at this time if there is anyone in the public that wishes to bring forward and address anything that is not on the agenda whether consent or regular this is your time state your name and you have the flourisher good morning i'm tim davenport herbst with the west texas organizing strategy and i just want to bring to your attention that this saturday we will be having an important event in san angelo we are commemorating the 50th anniversary of the march on washington for which martin luther king jr is well known with i have a dream speech it's beginning at martin luther king park at 9 00 a.m and then we'll proceed down mlk to city count to city hall we invite everyone to be a part of this if you can't make the entire walk please do come and join us at city council thank you thank you sir is there anyone else that cares to speak if you would identify yourself and you have the floor sir my name is lee bale and i am with the lake nazar the homeowners association and i'm also a member of the architect control committee and i told at our last meeting that we had our homeowners meeting that i would address the city council and what i want to talk about of course first of all i want to say that i'm very much looking forward to working with a new city council i think our last city council left a little to be desired and the mayor too and uh i'm really looking forward to this new bunk and part of this stems from that and uh of course i know that y'all weren't the ones that did this when they voted out of our lake now is where the

[0:14:29] home sales funds which i think we have around 10 million don't take this as exact figures but around 10 million we have around a million in uh uh in interest money which is my understanding we can spend the interest money but we can't spend the uh the principal unless we go to the voters with the thing and the last city council voted 365 000 to have a study done on the best i can tell about this study that they were wanting to put hotels fix big beautiful things around lake nasworthy my understanding that that money was supposed to be spent on hard labor and things to be built out there which this study wasn't and of course this study they i think gateway did say that you know you might think that water is the most important thing but we're looking into the future well i disagree with them i think water's everything and we need to to think about our water first and foremost what i've worked with is with carl white and i would like to maybe get something said on a future uh meeting i have got some estimates on a boathouse for the police boats now it's my understanding that we've got money a lot of different places we just got a grant from a 500 000 grant from the parks and wildlife for work on the lakes and the parks also we have we have that money and the lake now for the homeowners association fund that is under y'all's control and i looked at a bold house i've worked with the chief fasdes and i've looked with the policemen that actually run the boats and we've looked at a boat house and that's about a thousand square feet and that runs about forty dollars a square foot that's about forty thousand dollars also i've looked at putting in ram uh

[0:16:33] boat ramp at south concho park and a 40 by 60 boat ramp that runs about 35 000 i mean just a little bit of money here and there could i think do a whole lot more than this study is ever going to tell us which that study is about based on twin buttes being full and it's far from being full so we have a hard time there another thing i would like to say is ricky dixon back here i think he's a magician somehow by being able to keep as much water as he's been able to do throughout this spring and this summer in there to have our boat races our picnic parade our uh our fourth of july are also the wake the desert and people don't realize just how much money that that does bring in there and he has just done a wonderful job of keeping our lake as full as he has under these dire conditions but anyway i would like to work on that on uh i think in the past this boathouse for the police boats have been has been okayed it has been a path of course at that time we lose our city manager we lose our public works director we lose a whole city council we get a whole new deal so i know some of them was real upset about that and i know you all hadn't like i said i'm looking forward to working with you all and i would sure like to get that on the agenda i'll work for people and try to get maybe try to get some bids put out on this but i'm working with carl also but i just wanted i told out of dresses thank you sir i got an email on this on this boathouse just this last week and i forwarded it to daniel so he is very aware of it and he has forwarded it out so okay it has not been forgotten okay well i'm i'm trying to help with the homeowners association and i am getting plans together on it and i am working with the deal that we might get a set of plans uh

[0:18:36] that that everybody likes and then try to put them out for bids please is there anyone else that cares to speak to anything any public comment that is not on the consent or the regular agenda if so this is your time anyone on the council have anything to say is are there any items that you wish to pull charlotte i'd like to pull item number four for discussion okay item number four is a special recreation lease okay we will pull that one to put it up place it on the regular agenda for discussion do i have any other items that need to be pulled from the consent to put on the regular mr mayor i'll move that we approve the consent agenda minus item number four okay that would be items number one through items number seven and it has been moved and let me explain this i got a i got a letter and i know johnny maybe all of the council people got letters this week from uh from a concerned citizen that explained to us that to say i make a motion is very wrong that that is not the way it is to be said and that the proper way to say it is to move that an item be rejected or ignored or denied or whatever so we're trying to be more politically correct and we're trying to be grammatically correct so i applaud mr silvas he has moved that we approve the consent agenda as presented with the exception of number four do i have a second second i have a motion and a second do i have any other council discussion is there any discussion on the consent agenda from the public in that case i'll call for the vote all of those in favor of approving the consent agenda with the exception of the number four please say aye any opposed nay

[0:20:39] all right now we will move to item number four this will be on the regular agenda it's consideration of approving special recreational lease agreement for 0.117 acres of land bail located adjacent to the lake or river and authorizing the city manager or water utilities director to execute the same and for this we will go to mr ricky dixon would you like to preface this right yes uh in my main question is uh who sets the lease amount who sets it who sets the lease amount um it's as in this particular lease is for 257 a year yes ma'am on an amenity and i i just felt like it was extremely small that dollar amount i we were just discussing last week about looking at fees and increasing fees so i was curious as to who sets right this fee and these fees are set as all of them are your exhibit b shows kind of the way the the lease fees go and it's the way it's set and it is a small amount but this is a very small piece of property also i mean it's it's smaller than some house lots in town i mean it's it's real small i mean and yes we're we're going to look at all the fees on everything you know in this upcoming year but these are the ways these are have been set and as exhibit b shows the least fee and the river finish feed in in all of those situations that all of them are set by the same portion i'm just highly objectioned to it being so small it is an amenity that's things that need to increase as use is out of the lake and that's just my only concern is the amount do you have any idea what it's going to

[0:22:44] be used for because this concerns me these river access well this one is actually on south control driving it a bunch like nazareth and they're recreational only they can't build anything on it they can't store personal property on it if they request and receive written approval for strictly recreational items to be placed on there a temporary type structure we can do that if we give them written permission so it's just a piece of grass on the lake my primary concern is these are these oil field trucks that back down there and throw their hose in the river now that's that's what i'm concerned about and i don't want anything like that and i don't want to give anyone any rights to the river for water right well this is a five-year term so that rate is locked in for five years and and that's what i object to well i will entertain a motion to make it my motion would be to deny and review the lease amount in one second that i have a question can you be more specific on the recreational use or recreational well on the on these special recreational lease agreements the permitted use is solely for recreational use only and there's a portion in the lease that specifically says what and what it cannot be used for no improvements or construction work including but not limited living quarters buildings pump houses water wells storage building excavation fields or other types of structures or improvement improvements shall be built or placed on the lease premises no storage of personal property shall be permitted on the lease premises including equipment machinery vehicles appliances temporary electrical wiring materials or supplies nothing that create or allow any nuisance or waste on the lease premises no clearing no new

[0:24:47] roads no removing of trees no hunting and no litter i mean that's that's its limitations ricky i guess my question is if mr bell or mrs bell are here if they could expect there okay can you just give us a nice let me let me go ahead and second this that way that'll open it up for discussion and we can discuss it and i'll ask for uh public comments okay what it is it's a lease that i've had with the city uh for about five years and actually the lease was never put in my name it was uh i don't know it was put on not in the in a lease form like they have right here and uh the property is about as big as this building right i mean this this room right here that's about how big the property was this property was obtained by the city uh from curry dakota uh at a time which they were building the south of the south council drive and as they were building the south control drive he traded land in there for land behind out for the uh i believe east east west runway on a mathis field and that's how this property came to be and in the old lease i haven't had a chance to read this new lease i just got it yesterday and uh anyway also they put there was an old boat house and at least that is for a boathouse only it had went with mr dakoti uh it went from him to charles dakoti they sold it to someone and they sold the lease to me well we've used it for just a boathouse and recreation that boathouse was falling down on the city uh mr dixon sent me a letter saying that it needed to be tore down and i have tore it down i still have some posts out there i have put lights on them so boats won't run into them until i can get that toy back out but that's all it was used for was

[0:26:50] just a place to park and to to use the boat house and uh like i said i've had it for so what we're actually doing with this is renewing the lease which the lease went out last year however i paid my dues in the city accepted my money and this was just renewing the lease that i had and with the provisions of taking uh the structure that was out there falling down in the lake out and so working with ricky we've just got that cleared up and got that done this is just basically a formality of renewing my lease thank you sir any other rodney is that is that the lot that's surrounded by the park there is that the lot we're talking about the one that just kind of sticks right there rather by the boat ramp this is my district and i and i i sell a lot of houses out there that are in there that this lease is right in line with all those this this is a small lot most of those leases out there are usually around five to six hundred dollars with the house on them and way bigger so i don't think that this price of the 257 dollars is out of line in any way any other council discussion any other discussion from the public okay we're going to call for the vote the motion has been made did i say that correctly it has been moved that we deny this request it has been seconded so an i vote will in fact be a denial of extending the lease so the motion has been made and seconded all of those in favor of denying the lease say aye let's see hands all those that are opposed say nay no no all right the lease has been extended by a 5-2 vote no no we had to go i'll do another okay i move that we accept this lease as it as it is written i'll say been another motion that we

[0:28:53] accept the lease as presented it has been seconded all those in favor say aye aye any impoverished we have two nays mr wardlaw miss farmer and five eyes motion approved all right let's move on now to item number eight this is public hearing and comment this is now i'll ask the council is there anything is there anything on this agenda that y'all would like to move around first to to accommodate the public if there is this is a good time to suggest it i'd like to remove the item number nine yes you'd like to table number nine okay well we'll do that when we get to it is there any other items that anyone would like to move forward uh move forward no i'd like to move our our budget discussion to the end because i think the audience for the most part are here for other things and rather than bore them with a lot of facts and figures unless they're just here for that uh moving it to the end might be a little easier on everyone i certainly don't have a problem with that does anyone have a problem with moving all the budgets to the end okay johnny mr mayor i was just going to say i don't know how long number eight will take is it going to be lengthy do you think no sir not going to be lengthy at all i was going to move it's not going to be for me it may be from the council not gonna take me long that's fine okay okay let's move on then to number eight number eight is consideration and possible action regarding a revision to the city of san angelo development cooperation guidelines for job creation assistance regarding eligibility of applicants and i recommend it or i ask that this be placed on the agenda and i would like to explain why this was a campaign promise that i made when i was on the trail and everywhere i went and spoke about this i had complete

[0:30:55] participation from all the groups that i spoke to january the 3rd 2012 prior to january the 3rd 2012 there was a guideline there was a code of ethics a conflict of interest clause that was part of the bylaws of the cosa dc the city of san angelo development corporation bylaws on january the 3rd 2012 by a 5-2 vote of the city council we removed this conflict of interest and this code of ethics from the bylaws and we minimized it i would like to read the bylaws as it was stated and was in effect before january the third two thousand and twelve it was called the eligibility of applicants it said no member of the san angelo city council or persons related to a council member within the second degree of constant annuity or affinity shall be eligible for assistance from the coast of dc during his or her tenure or for six months thereafter item number two said no member of the san angelo economic development cooperation board of directors or person related to a board member within the second degree of congenital affinity shall be eligible for assistance from the costa dc during his or her tenure for six months thereafter right after we voted on this and took this code of ethics and this conflict of interest clause out there was a poll in the san angelo standard times 82 of the people that voted on this poll it was not a scientific poll it was simply a poll it was put out 82 percent of the people that voted on this poll said that the council made a grave mistake by removing this conflict of interest and this code of ethics i have no problem with anyone that is on the board or anyone that is on the city council i have no problem with them in a

[0:32:57] capitalistic move asking for city assistance which is in effect your tax money to help them in their business but i want the rules put in that says they will be off of the board and they will be off of the council for six months before they will be eligible for this money we must protect our citizens and when we took this clause out we left things wide open for abuses from an inside position on the council or an inside position on the board and we created a very strong disservice and i want this clause put back in to the code of ethics put back into the cosa dc guidelines to protect the citizens of our city and i will be and i will move that these codes that were in existence until january the 3rd 212th be put back in and be reactivated as part of the bylaws of kosovo d.c i'll second that okay mr wardlaw i'd like to make a comment on that mr mayor uh let the record show i was not on the council when this took place not i have one concern i'm with you but it talks about individual does it not nowadays everybody forms an llc or llp or lp and it seems to me like if you want to be more inclusive and more protective of the citizens you ought to include language in there that if a person forms an llc not just as an indiv in his individual capacity it ought to that that code of ethics ought to catch him that is an excellent suggestion and i had not thought of that but you are absolutely right yeah you are absolutely right and i don't know what the language should be and possibly this will require further work but yes that is a very good suggestion i thank you for that and i believe that would more i believe that that would better protect our citizens and that's exactly what i want this for mr mayor very good yes ma'am uh i i do

[0:35:00] recall the item quite well there's lots of discussion and i would like to see this go to the costa dc board because and to make the recommendations and set up the changes and send it back to us since it's over them i agree with it i'll vote for it but i just wanted to go back to the board as part of their job to oversee and do and maybe a couple other areas of the bylaws that they might want to tweak so it may need a committee meeting with costa dc and a council member to get this going or not that's just a suggestion doesn't have to council can do it they have the authority to do it but maybe it's time we looked at all of the bylaws and take this opportunity to do so and that's a good comment as well any other council is there any discussion from the floor identify yourself pleaser and you have the floor i'm bob schneeman interim director of economic development for the city um i'm afraid mr wardlaw and this farmer stole most of my thunder but because those were the two items that i was going to ask that we'd be able to address i'd like to offer staff's efforts to come up with a better guideline than what we have here that is more specific to ownership in companies and that sort of thing and i do think there are other guidelines that could could be looked at and i'd like to encourage that that sort of uh common effort between council coast dc staff and the kosa dc board to let's let's all get in line with what we want these things to say thank you very much and i was on council when that was changed and it was changed to meet state guidelines to mirror state guidelines and that lessened our ability yes when we went to meet state guidelines all right let me let me redo this motion

[0:37:03] and i'll ask you if you will redo your second miss fleming i would like to go ahead the motion has been made to reinstate this and i would like to reinstate this as it is right now back into the bylaws but with the reinstatement i would authorize custody c to study this and to make suggestions at a later meeting that we can add to but we cannot take away from the language that that was in place before january 3 of 212. so i would like to reinstate this as it was but i am open for custody c and city council to to tweak this and to look at this and to come back with further strengthening as long as it is not minimized and that will be my motion will you second that rodney i'll second that okay do we have any further comment is that a motion or a move i'll move that thank you we're not we're just going to put it back in but nothing we're not going to change anything and we will give custody the opportunity to to tweak this fair enough bob mr turner did you have a comment tell us who you are yes my name is jim turner and i think one of the things that needs to be looked at after all of this is done there are some other there are some changes to the charter that we have been talking about and i think strengthening the ethics that's actually in the city charter should be put before the voters to get give them the opportunity to make sure that the city council guidelines the ethics guidelines for the city council board staff etc is stronger than what we have now just because of the state and without a special effort in going before the citizens they can't change them and downgrade them again thank you thank you sir any other comments from

[0:39:06] the public identify yourself please good morning my name is jerry c and i'm a member of wtos uh i'm glad that you brought this up because that's been a topic of discussion between myself and several other people because of some of the things the past practices and we all know that some things that is done or has been done it's not against the law but it's not ethical and actually really it should be against the law so i applaud you for bringing this back up and uh in protection of of uh i say the reputation of the of the uh of our lawmakers in the city of san angelo i think this is something that really does need to be done and something that really does it it needs to be looked at very carefully because it don't really look very good out here from a common man that's paying taxes and really have no say we thank you very much sir thank you jerry any other comments if not if i understand the motion you are requesting at this time that we go ahead and reinstate the eligibility of applicants as on page nine of the previous bylaws that is in place now is that correct that's good add what she just said to my motion please will you still second bet yes motion has been made i will now ask for all of those in favor please say i i any opposed nay mr mayor uh just remember motion passes 7-0 yes mr silva my green land is gone the wire's covered no but the llc and the lp and the fcs and all that and you're gonna have that

[0:41:09] mr sneeman's gonna work on that and uh just as soon as you can get something together bring that back and we can just add another number onto this and keep adding to it that agreeable sir yes very good i appreciate you bringing that up with you that that's important all right let's move on now to our next item what time is it 9 45 we got another 15 minutes before we break everybody all right let's move on into number nine and uh i believe you wanted to pull that rodney so if you want to make a motion if you want to move i move that we removed our table number nine okay we've had a motion to table number nine it has been seconded in the discussion council public all those two all those in favor say aye aye any nays 7-0 number 10 discussion and possible action concerning a 3.8 acre track of land located on the loop 306 frontage road and owned by the west texas christian foundation aka christian village property this is uh councilman ward law you have the floor sir thank you mr mayor um the west west texas christian foundation is a charitable organization and their attorneys mr jim carter i don't know if come on up jim if you want to and let me make a presentation you can fill in the blanks and um james carter correct yeah uh most of you will remember that uh jim carter attorney came and made a presentation several council meetings ago concerning the problem out there on the frontage road in luke 306 where the christian village property is that most of you know the location of it's a 150 unit apartment complex dedicated to low income retirees they have to be over 65 do they do they

[0:43:11] not jim that's correct all right in in addition to this christian village complex which has been there for many years now and i think jim was one of the founders of that project they are now constructing townhomes and other uh housing out there in the immediate area to the be to the east is that right jim that's correct about how many units have you additional units have you constructed and how many do you have i have to ask mark davis to tell us 100 106. 106. okay and these are also low income uh housing that's correct well no they're not they're not uh these are for 65 or older but they're not based on low income okay is that right 55 or for a low end okay excuse me all right and then uh as a part of all of this land that was acquired out there by the west texas christian foundation you have two or three acres plus or minus that are located uh adjacent to the christian village to the west uh on the access road is that correct that's correct and uh at some point in time when all that was going on and the construction was had out there on loop 306 and the uh the subdivisions to the south of loop 306 there they put in a culvert there and basically to make a long story short it flows water during rains diagonally across this two or three acres uh and it's it's even so uh forceful and uh and drastic that it uh has cut a channel or an arroyo diagonally through your property uh is that not correct that's correct and so you've had this property on the market numerous times in the past i understand and it's not now not marketable because of the sort of uh

[0:45:13] flood flood problem in the the flood easement that the city does not in fact have that's correct and uh with the west texas christian foundation be willing to entertain an offer if the city got an appraisal on this property to find out what the fair market value of it is yes uh the foundation would is that we understand it if i may explain this problem really came to the forefront 95 when we had the large rain and that really cut a four foot deep ravine through the property and we've been back to this city council several times and each council acknowledged the problem and they need to be cured and i believe a study was done by mr bailey and it's my understanding that it would cost millions to correct the problem to divert the water to the red arroya so the foundation has discussed it and would be willing to sell the property at its fair market value to the city to solve the problem and so that the foundation then can use that mother or that money to further its charitable purpose and a couple things we need to clarify for the record number one the city has no flood or flow adjacent over and across your property does it none whatsoever we were asked many years ago back in the 70s if that could be temporarily done but there is no easement granted and am i correct in saying that you've had this property listed with realtors off and on for some time now and have been unable to market it because of the flood flooding problem that is correct all right um i'll just say as an attorney and former law partner mr carter years and years ago i know for a fact this is a legal problem that the city has you just and i think mr carter will agree with me uh that you just can't a city or no other property owner can flow

[0:47:17] water across somebody else's land in a condensed fashion like that uh that that's illegal and and it's sort of an inverse type condemnation and uh uh i think that the west texas christian foundation has been more than patient with the city of san angelo because i've looked at the the corresponding it's been more than 10 years you've been asking for the city to do something yes it's been over 10 years and and now we have probably have the funds and we're told that we have the funds in the storm and flood water program and so that's why i'm going to move here in a second to authorize the an appraisal from either stribling proband or kevin hoffman or would those people be satisfactory to the west texas christian foundation for yes you value appraisal yes they would be all right and um again this this is the west texas christian foundation is obviously a charity and is it is its primary purpose or is to provide housing for uh elderly and low-income people that's correct okay and how long has that foundation been in existence jim's ah finally it's been in existence since the late 70s the actual construction won until about 1981. and it's got about 150 units correct that's correct in the original christian village that's about all the questions i have you want to make a motion yeah i'll move that the council authorized an appraisal of this property and it can be in the form of a later appraisal rather than a real expensive uh thick book type appraisal so that this uh the fair market value this property can be disclosed to the city and then we can

[0:49:21] a council can decide what to do with it and hopefully plug it in the storm and flood water funds for this calendar or a fiscal year and we have a second do we have discussion yes uh mr carter how much was the property for sale for when in the past when it was put on the market uh we asked steve eustis who was the latest realtor and a portion of it was in the range of 440 000 and that didn't include the part that's separated by the drainage stitch okay um i just would like to mention that was in my district until just this last year um the citizens of christian village uh have a garden a big community garden and would it be y'all's desire after if we do purchase the property to allow them to continue to do their garden for as long as if the city would permit it it would be welcome the residents do enjoy their garden thank you and charlotte you you're familiar with all of the studies that the city's done uh in particular i believe clinton bailey can you tell the council about how much the alternate the options would be uh i had asked clinton back in january of this year to give us some ideas or some ways that this could be fixed by the city and on february 1st 2013 he provided a letter that item number one loop 306 asset access road project and what it consisted of three million six hundred and eight thousand dollars his second recommendation was college hills bulla ford at north fork arroyo to the tune of uh four million seven hundred and eleven thousand two hundred fifty nine or number three another way to do it but it would cost four million six hundred and thirty seven dollars uh to repair and this came

[0:51:25] about from a storm in 95 i believe 97 excuse me may 28 and 97 there was a huge rainstorm that eroded and then city trucks or highway trucks i do remember them going in and allowing the water to flow free which made the ditch deeper we had a problem uh before 1997 or 95 when the flood it was a small ravine through the property but when that rain came in 95 to 97 it made it much wider and it's like a waterfall and in the original plot that was done uh back then there wasn't any kind of drainage or anything there it's just water erosion and through there and then folks came along with some big trucks to help it move along and then another rain but then the drain is there big now that's correct uh whoever worked on it during the august 6th meeting we showed you maps and aero photographs of the property where when it was acquired there was no drainage stitch and after it was built how the drainage just developed if you someone needs those i'll furnish them again mr barton jim um you said in your last presentation that that it was kind of a combination thing between the work that was done by the city and the work that was done by the state as far as the roadways go that caused this drainage to occur yes we first went to the state and complained that the construction of 306 loop 306 was a major factor and the state went out there and came back and said we determine it's not a state problem it's a city problem that where the drainage is occurring is because of the development and the streets west of 306. and if you go out there all that development drains under

[0:53:30] 306 across the property okay so so in your opinion it's it's not a state problem along with ours or i i believe the state's correct i've been out there many times and especially if it's a hard rain you can easily see all that water coming down the streets to the west of thrill of the loot okay anyone else marty so so you wouldn't be in favor of us saying it's a state problem and go back to the state if if we can show the state that it's their problem i'll be glad to i haven't been able to do that i i appreciate that mr work i just want to make sure i understand the motion uh we're we're going to get appraisals and come back and and decide then what to do correct okay i believe that's step one is to see how much we're looking at and if i may say i think the appraisal needs to be as the property is without the drainage stitch i think the appraiser needs to be instructed to that effect why would that be i mean in the problem the drainage or the drainage dish but that's what's caused the devaluation of the property so i think the value of the property needs to be determined without the drainage stitch was the drainage ditch there when you advertised it with steve eustis to sell it it was were you willing to sell it then no with the drainage ditch no sir the only thing that was offered was the property lying north of the drainage stitch not the property lying south of the drainage stitch the the drainage ditch was caused by by the uh by the construction of these subdivisions north i mean south and west of loop 306 uh which would be caused by a city problem you would not give the city a

[0:55:33] credit on their appraisal for actions that the city is responsible for that that doesn't make any sense and uh jim's absolutely right about that and the appraiser needs to understand that that it's not the fault of the west texas christian foundation and he he jim provided topo maps uh showing that the that the uh that the ditch wasn't there originally and it was just as he explained as a result of a particular flooding in the construction of all of the facilities under loop 306 and the city has got some collection areas south of 306 that collects the rain water running down the street and funnels it through that culvert so jim's absolutely right about that and i if that's necessary that would be part of my motion uh that that it would be uh that the appraisal would be fair market value unencumbered by the uh drainage ditch which is what caused the loss and marketability of the property and probably destroyed it daniel mayor council members um my recommendation to be honest with you is to have a true assessment before we start assigning whose responsibility is when we start saying it's a city or the state for the longest time the city of saint was a state and the state was saying well it's not it wasn't us you know just just to say that uh it is the city's responsibility at this point without a true assessment uh i definitely recommend against that i i'm gonna i'm gonna re-urge my emotion again you have my thoughts on that i just feel that before we start talking about pain what right now if we're going to do an appraisal i would prefer that we do appraisal based on what's there at this point unless we determined by assessment that it truly was the city's responsibility as is and as was there's an as will be or as is or the appraisal as is and what it was before the drip ditch was made wider and wider and wider

[0:57:38] it's my understanding uh city manager that's been decided by prior city council that it is the city problem it should be in your files perhaps uh you know from a staff perspective we tried to approach these situations in a way that gives council some options so perhaps without making a decision about where the fault lies we can proceed with direction to the appraiser to give us a variety of assumptions including for example if if someone created a damage or impaired the value we would need to know both values the before and the after value and that also gives council some options to negotiate for either the purchase of the property or for settlement of a damage claim and so perhaps we can pursue the appraised appraisal issues with a variety of options for council in mind would you agree with that mr wardlaw we're having two appraisals before and after i'm not sure that's the right terminology is it jim one uh before and after uh but but at a current at a current value not not not back before the in time and point of time it'll have to be current fair market value as long as they as long as that's the case i don't have any problem with the before and after i i have no problem with it will you you all right you second on that charlotte okay mr mayor mr carter i just wanted to add that i remember this item coming up to us years ago you know we've all slept since then i wish that you guys would have brought some kind of photos or pictures for us to you know just bring back our memories what it what it is we're dealing with but i agree i'm with you in charlotte hey if we need

[0:59:40] to do an assessment or an appraisal to get this uh remedied i'm for it you know excuse me but i just think that we need to take it one step at a time and that's the first step i'm for it uh but i wish i could see exactly and i don't remember and i'm trying to visualize what it is back there what it looks like and uh and i just can't remember but i wish you guys would have brought something i'm okay with taking it one step at a time very well we've got a motion we've got a second any further counsel any public discussion on this item yes ma'am please identify yourself and you have the floor ma'am i am billy dewitt and i'm a taxpayer and i had no idea i'd be getting up to this microphone twice in two consecutive meetings but i guess i have a question before i have a comment um i heard that it was what caused this was luke 306. then i heard it was the subdivisions that were built west then i heard it was reigns in 1995. so is it all of the above what caused the problem i don't think anybody in the city is ready to take responsibility but so i guess it could be a portion of all the reason i ask that is because when something happens when somebody bills if it impacts a citizen's property we come here and ask y'all to pay us an exaggerated amount for that property that's no longer worth that amount i mean you know to me that's going to be opening a can of worms and the property was purchased just like we purchase our homes or whatever if something happens then we you know have to deal with that we have to figure out what to do about that i don't think it's right to come before

[1:01:41] the city and ask the city to pay four million dollars for for something that the city was not directly responsible for and that's my my comment and i think if you approve something like that you're going to be opening a can of worms for this city that will be in lawsuits forever thank you appreciate you and that's why we're asking for two estimates and it will come back to the city council and we will discuss it and at that time we can make a decision but can i clarify please uh it the people are not asking four million dollars for their property the city has estimated that that's what it would cost to correctly repair it and the for it the four number on the 400 000 is the possible value of the property i just wanted to make that clear for the lady after we get some appraisal values then we'll have some concrete figures to work with any other any other public comment if not we're going to call for the vote all of those in favor please say aye any opposed nay no nays that is a 7-0 vote at this time thank you thank you mr carter at this time i think it's time to take a little bit of a break and if there is someone from the convention center here that could come and break this candy up in little pieces i'm going to put it out front and won't everybody come up and get a get a piece of uh hershey's chocolate everybody enjoy it so if someone from the convention center could come forward and cut this up we'll prepare it during the break let's take a break 23 the meeting has been called back to order we are now ready for number 11. this is consideration of authorizing staff to negotiate an agreement in substantially the attached form with artist raul r ruiz to design create and install a bronze sculpture depicting a policeman together with a child to be installed on the outdoor premises of the headquarters building of the san angelo police department at 401 east beauregard and an

[1:03:43] amount not to exceed 100 000 and allowing the city manager to execute an agreement between the city of san angelo and raul or ruiz chief take it away sir i'll give you a quick history back in 2003 late 2003 group of our employees tried to get together and create a police memorial monument of a sort to remember officers that have died in the line of duty we we started that process in 2004 almost at the end of 2004 the tom adams at that at the time uh was able to come up and council approved and they gave us 30 000 to put towards the monument but we were looking at well over a hundred thousand dollars in the monument and in recent times in recent years now and first i'll tell you this that uh that the san andreas police department has never had a monument uh to memorialize those officers that have died in line of duty we've had two that have died in the line of duty while serving san angelo uh charles anderson in october 26 1919 uh was electrocuted while on patrol with the with the chief trying to to fix a light downtown and then uh odell wagner died august 6 in 1955 uh while doing uh escort for funeral service he was struck by another vehicle and so we've never done anything other than what we have a picture of them inside our office you know there used to be a fire department memorial in front of the city hall i believe it's been moved i'm not exactly sure where uh they have one at their office now and so what uh i felt when officer padron passed we started trying to bring this back to life and uh i thought of some different options and the options were that would create some type of of a monument a sculpture uh we're gonna we're looking at three-quarter size uh we we have roughly forty thousand dollars raised right now i need about another fifty uh but we're we're going to ask for donations to do that not through public funds uh unless the council wants to give us anything

[1:05:48] they wanna give us uh but we would uh we're asking for permission to go into this contract negotiation and to to handle this up to a hundred thousand dollars so you can see a display the size of the uh actual sculpture will be three quarter size sitting on top of a pedestal we hope to have it at our facility now one of the flower beds on the west side of the building and it will be there until council provides us a new facility and then we will move our monument to the new facility so you can see a picture drawing on the bottom and then this is this is a 16 inch i believe mr mayor i'll start off and uh let me just say i i have worked with uh raul reese on other projects and he's always come through and has done tremendous work throughout the city asu like it's mentioned in the background but uh yeah i'll make a motion that we can go into this contract and a lot of the uh contributions that will come towards this project i think it's it's uh very much there's folks out there that are interested in being a part of this so i'll make a motion that we proceed with this contract with mr reese listen for waiting for a second i'll second that authorizing negotiation yes authorized negotiation counsel i'm not clear what you're asking for time we hit we have uh the because of the expense that we're going to spend the money the contributions will be coming into the police department and held in a city account and because uh there's a contract involved and because of the amount over 50 we have to have council approval to get to spend that money so we we are going to be under 100 for the the entire project but that's why i'm here to get approval to continue with the contract negotiations uh complete the contract up to a hundred thousand dollars on this project yeah so so you're going to raise the money is what you're saying yes sir and

[1:07:51] this is just a ministerial act here requesting that we approve and uh is the hundred thousand dollars going to pay for the work done on the sculptures too it should pay for everything a hundred thousand if we can hit a hundred thousand uh that should cover a lot of things that would probably even help us pay for the monument stones for the officers that have passed around the the the sculpture but it should cover the entire project okay miss farmer where are we going to get the hundred thousand i'll raise it you'll raise it okay well i don't need that much right now i've got 30 40 000 but i questioned uh michael here not too long ago i had heard you mention the 30 000 that the city had already given for that project and i was curious as to how long a commitment is that 30 000 does it stay there forever and ever and ever until it's used or does it go back into general funds it's been in our account it's been rolled over every year well we approved in 2004 30 000 and i found that it's in the books it's it's there and since then there's been another 34 3 500 added to that 30 000 and you're saying that you're gonna need i mentioned 40 i heard forty thousand and another fifty thousand that's a hundred and twenty thousand all together okay now we're sitting in about thirty four thirty five thousand in the account uh sergeant herndon who started the project in 2003 has another account that that is uh separate from this one that has he raised some money and i don't remember he raised he raised 4 500 so he has 4 500 to put to that so it's not that i need 120 i just i actually the the cost of the project we're expecting for the sculpture to be about seventy eight thousand dollars but then i have to look at also buying the the rock that it's going to sit on and maybe a little bit of landscaping and then the modest monuments to go around it so if i can raise 64 000 in the campaign for the police chief i think i

[1:09:55] can raise another 40 thousand dollars for a police memorial monument okay worst case scenario devil's advocate don't raise it michael where we get the money well my understanding is the project is contingent upon the chief raising the funds that authorization to proceed with construction won't occur until the fund's sufficient to complete the project or raise i think he's just wanting to negotiate a contract at this point and we'll need to work the controls in place so that construction does not proceed until the funds adequate funds are raised it's it's no money out of the general fund you're doing all this on your own you're going to raise the funds right right it's a no-brainer to me so right put me down for 50-10 okay down but with and i don't have to file a campaign report so your name won't be and we forgive the idea behind it all it's it's not money it's some of these folks that have given their lives for the freedom that we you know we live in so you know we need to focus on that and this is a represent representation of that you know if you attend any of our functions especially during police week we we always congregate on the west side of the building and uh we that's when we honor officers that have done a line of duty throughout the united states but mostly in texas and uh we really would like to have something here you know we uh you're right it doesn't happen often uh one of my concerns is i mean when you think about the violence that we're dealing with now you know we've had three or four officers involved we have three officer-involved shootings in the last few years uh the potential for something like this to happen in our community again uh it is high and so i would like to be sure that we've covered our bases and and and again the the monuments for everybody to

[1:11:58] attend uh but we want to uh memorialize the officers that have died uh giving their life you know in the line of duty here in our community council come in uh mr step i just had one question uh the uh the contract is set up uh ms bowling did not to start till the funds are there excuse me the contract is set up such that the project will not be going begin until the funds are available the proj the contract has compensation provision that hasn't been decided and then it has a schedule a scope of services but i'll go ahead and include a provision that will reflect exactly what you're stating it's just a standard agreement quid per quo but i will make sure there's a mechanism in the document i worked on the contract and i'll make sure that there is a mechanism that the inception of the work is contingent on the the uh funds okay i think she said yes we'll add it if it's not in there why did it okay do we have any public comment if not we have a motion that we approve this and give the chief the chance to get started raising his funds we have a second i would ask that all in favor of that motion say aye aye any opposed nay market 7-0 please men chief is that tom on there our officer security officer no no no it kind of resembles it uh or even mr hendren right there kind of like i think he looks like i think he looks like tom yeah and i'd like to introduce for those who

[1:13:59] haven't rolled rhys the uh artist so thank you role for all that you do for this community thank you sir all right we decided that we would move item 12 which is above budget discussion to the end of the of the agenda uh 12 is made up of three parts so that takes us to number 13 that's carl white's consideration of prioritizing additional improvements to the river project with the remaining dedicated funds for the project mr white you have the floor sir thank you sir should be able to move for this fairly quickly since the council seen the majority of this about a month ago about a month ago we came to you and gave you a presentation update on the river project and we talked about some of the monies that we have left from the project and talked about some of the things we'd like to consider doing at that last meeting though the caption was written such that council couldn't take action it is written now such that council could take action we are asking council to give us some direction uh with the funds that are remaining from the river project these are dedicated funds to the river project that can only be spent on the river project and give us some direction as to what staff should work on after the contracted portion of the project which should be wrapping up in the middle to the end of september specifically with the funding that we have left over is going to be about nine hundred thousand dollars previously council had set aside five hundred thousand dollar as a reserve and since uh since the last meeting council has made a decision separately to purchase some property uh between 19th and 29th street so that is going on we're asking council specifically to authorize staff to set aside fifty thousand dollars set aside for pruning of trees along the river which we'll need to to do this fall and next spring with all those commitments right now we've got about 300 000 left we're also asking council to give us

[1:16:00] some direction we one of the projects major projects we'd like to do after the project is some drip irrigation primarily for all the river trees along the river corridor from oak street to first street and trees in the golf course along veterans memorial drive we estimate this cost to be about 300 000 dollars we were trying to consider putting this project in as a change order to the existing contract we think it's best to separate that out and bid that out separately and then bring it back to council for bid award we are asking council to set aside some money for the renovation restoration of the golf course we estimate that to be about 175 000 with that we're asking council to consider setting up an ad hoc committee with one or two council members and some staff members maybe a few other people who we can get together with and create a vision for the restoration of this area and start working on that we are asking council for us to do some infrastructure work after the project which includes securing the loose river rock by the artwork the turnaround parking by cunningham and the maintenance drive from the episode to the pumps and then we we aren't asking council to set aside river funds for additional signage and wayfinding since this could be funded through hot funds so we are asking council to give us some direction um take some action give us some direction on some post-project items yeah and the one thing carl also mentioned was that right now you have the designation of the 500 000 that council set aside at one point that is something that you may choose to free up now to use for some of these or not but right now it's sitting there but it can be freed up to increase those available dollars which are right now at 305 after you take all those things out you may choose to free

[1:18:03] up that five to be applied toward some of these other items such as the putt-putt area or whatever that priority may be all right council let's start with miss farmer then i have johnny and anybody else question 500 000 the council wanted set aside shouldn't we continue to set that money aside to play pay for maintenance from that area from the bridge all the way to the softball complex of items along the river part of the river funding river project funding was borrowed money and we would not be able to use that portion for maintenance we would need to make sure that the money we're setting aside for maintenance was not did not contain some restriction i think there's some grant money in there some bond money in there and we'll need to examine exactly what remains and is it eligible for such a reserve mr silvas carl or rick remind me are we still in phase one of the project is this phase one or we created the the project based on the funds that we had available the other phases of course will be further down river or further upriver but the council had given us direction with the funds that we had available to concentrate on the core downtown area yeah this would be the end of i mean we had different processes along the way you know dredging was a phase within that and so really right now what we're in is the completion of the project that was designed and that's scheduled to be complete here in a month or so and so these because we were we did well on managing the funds we have some funds left from the original project and these are those dollars and so that's where we're trying to get what do you want to do with those at this point let me just add that i am very much in favor of uh and first of all let me just say this past saturday i'd happen to be driving along along the

[1:20:05] river and there was hundreds and hundreds of people down there so you know i can already see that what it's attracting than their foot traffic but i am very much in favor and i don't know who else is on board with me but i want a state-of-the-art miniature golf course down there for our kids that have nothing else to do but maybe the skate park maybe the go skating maybe bowling but i think getting them outdoors in a nice clean atmosphere is is uh you know i think it's good for for the the community i'm also very much in favor of moving the project down river you know i you know i heard just a while ago and i've heard other comments of hey when do we start moving you know even further east all the way up to bell street the best red lake so i'm very much in favor of just moving forward if we have something that we can some seed money some to to continue i don't know if that's phase two i forget where we were on phase two or what part of it you know it was going to be but if we can just uh the the state yard miniature golf course and i want to be i i volunteer to be on that committee i would very much be interested in that but again just moving it further east is is what i think there's a lot of interest from folks out there that you know want to have just something uh revamped down there so they can enjoy so those are just my comments while you're on the golf course topic one of the things we've been discussing is of course the reason nothing's done right there now at all is because there's a sewer line that runs through there and we're having to replace that sewer line so ricky and his crew has been working on getting that bid out and so forth originally our concept was to maybe try and save some of the existing putt-putt uh holes and and redo them as we've looked at that with ricky you know probably the most effective cost-effective way for them when they're constructing this new sewer line through there is not to have to worry about whether you you know damaging the concrete it's to basically take that off and then when we do one we start over and lay it out in a manner that works

[1:22:08] well with the holes and so forth so i guess from a council perspective that is one thing they're getting close to being ready to start on that sewer line i want to make sure that council's okay with you know the concept of of taking those out and starting over versus trying to work around them or retain any of them you know and i truly believe that you build it and they will come type of philosophy because i've seen and i've been to we were in plano a couple weeks ago at a miniature golf facility it was just amazing you know and i always have wanted something like that i my heart is near and dear to the to the river area you know i grew up right there and so you know the municipal was built and it you know it's heaven knows what it's doing i know there's a lot of traffic so i think our youth need something like that to you know get them off of other things maybe away from video games or whatever but i think it's an investment that we really need to get serious about because it'll be there for years to come you know and of course once it's constructed we'd like a you know a private vendor to operate that of course yeah and that's something that this committee may look at as well we've had interest from the community about a public private partnership which is the concept here that if you allow paddle boats and other things down there you start creating that synergy and we bring someone in to work with the city to manage and operate that and we run it in a public private partnership manner if if we if we don't use all these funds what happens to them those are those are dedicated funds uh through half cent sales tax dollars that went specifically to the river project so at that point council had voted on those designated them for this so they would remain there for additional use at some point as council deemed for the river project or if those dollars were not utilized totally this by this

[1:24:10] project and you wanted to move some of those to an addition a project that was authorized by the sales tax under that same umbrella with the wording that would work then you could do that actually there are multiple sources rick and carl have been very good about pooling resources uh funding sources to get projects done and there are multiple sources in here and we need to determine what the options were associated with each of those sources so there are some options that exist what carl what do what trees currently have drip probably the ones only in the game's court area david correct me if i'm wrong this area here because we couldn't put a traditional irrigation system in this section because the decomposed granite and all the different activities we put drip irrigation subsurface drips so we could water the trees there that's the only area that has drip irrigation the rest of the system that is currently installed or already has been installed along the river is a traditional system okay yeah what what the system does have in it is the current one that's going in is built with valves uh to accommodate adding drip onto it so we built the system or you could add it in but that game scored area is the only one that's installed with that mainly because we took all the grass out and it's dg everywhere so we put in that drip around the trees and covered it all with decomposed granite mr wardlaw yes couple things uh number one has just been stated i think we need more information on the source of these funds and the the limitations on the expenditure are the same before we make a decision uh i don't feel like i have enough information to make a prudent decision on all these items i think we need to do more work on it

[1:26:11] and in that connection i'll make a couple of comments uh the additional signage and wayfaring down along the river uh that as pointed out can be funded under hot funds and i i would probably favor that over taking it out of the river funds the drip irrigation system for river trees i may not be for that but i think the council needs to get uh an opinion and more information from john begno who's forgotten more about about uh landscaping than the rest of us will ever know i'm for watering those trees down there and shane tells me which which some of us know that we can water those trees down there right now with the uh irrigation system that we've had and it's been in place uh and so that may obviate the necessity of spending 297 000 for a new drip system uh uh i'm concerned about spending that money on that where we already have a system albeit not a perfect system uh i i'm concerned about putting in a drip irrigation system among those trees where you're having to cut roots on older pecan trees and live oak trees in addition to the expenditure of money and one of the concerns i heard had had staff indicate to me was that well the reason for putting in a drip irrigation system might be that people would drive along and see the grass under the trees being green from the system that we have now and you know that that doesn't bother me one bit uh i'll vote to continue the existing system we have and use it for the trees and i don't think many people will complain about that at all if we save three hundred thousand dollars in using the system we have uh and let me just reiterate one thing and that is the current system that's out there is in different stations and there are

[1:28:14] stations that water just basically the trees and not the golf course and that's what we're trying to uh accomplish here is to save all those trees i haven't heard one person in the city of san angelo that that wants to see another one of these trees at the cemetery and santa fe park die and so anyway i just think we need to look at it harder and have more information before we make uh hopefully make a prudent decision on how to spend this money and also we've got another uh seems to me another question is how we're going to fund the monies for watering in santa fe park and also fair amount and that is do we exempt those city properties from the budget on that which is what i favor or do we allocate some money every year uh for for payment of the water and just have it the left hand give it to the right hand and then then then the bad thing about that is you run out of you run out of money in the budget and then then the trees start dying and that's what's been happening in the past and i don't want to see that happen again so those are just my thoughts mayor to answer a couple of those questions i i think carl and i can speak fairly confidently that that as far as the use of the availability of those dollars our grant obligations have been met we met those while we were doing the project so these dollars that we're telling you are available don't have existing grant obligations that we have not met we met those when we did the project so these dollars are available to use on the river project now there may be restrictions on how the debt was issued that you can't use that for maintenance i can't answer that question but as far as these dollars as we presented them those are available to be used on the river project there should not be any restriction against you using them for anything on the river project that you so choose whether or not you can take those and transfer them to a different project i

[1:30:17] think you can as long as it's in a voter approved sales tax project because the remain these dollars that remain are going to be sales tax dollars we've spent our grant dollars we spent those up front with the project that was authorized so hopefully that'll answer a little of your questions concerning how how they can be spent mr silvas carl go back one slide now i know that we have already cut down some of the dead trees along the river i think i've seen some that have been how much was how much of uh money did we spend there and then where does this where do we we apply this additional 50 000 on the tree work what tell me where we are how much we spend and then where this applies david may have to remind me how much the cost was for the removal of the trees because it was taken out of the landscape allowance for the project virtually all that tree removal has work has been done a lot of the trees 93 i think it was 68 16. okay good morning david knapp um yeah there are 68 trees that were removed as part of the project we uh as part of the landscape allowance we used i think it was uh 40 000 about 40 000 to remove the final 60 one so some were included in the original bid we knew we had to remove trees and the rest were added on to as we determined which ones were you know not going to make it or were already past the point so so i guess my question is the additional trees is it to plant new trees or i think it's uh the 50 000 here is for tree pruning work we're going to do some of that pruning this fall this winter and next spring a lot of that is really would be allocated to tree pruning if there's any remaining we could put it towards tree planting yeah and you'll notice a lot of those

[1:32:18] even we did it at city hall that have a bunch of dead branches in them and it just really if we're gonna save the tree it just really makes it look tidy and finishes up you'll also notice a few uh trees and i think we talked with you about it johnny that remain where we topped them yes because there's a desire from sort of the artist's standpoint to take some of those larger stumps and carve them into some things that we use along the river instead of just chopping them off so there's a few of those that remain that would have to go to the ark commission for consideration so then the trees have been cut so far it has been between 14th and urban first street in concho avenue what say again concho avenue up river to first street okay the high school have a ways to go even further down down river that we haven't touched the below 14 uh concho avenue there i think there's a few trees but i think our plan is to have staff remove those there's not nearly as many dead trees left in that that section you may take a peek at the ones at kids kingdom those are of some concern you know the kids down there and possibly a branch breaking off so right there's a definitely additional tree work and that the reason for this allocation would be to do additional tree work after the project ms farmer i'm all for saving the trees and watering the park and the cemetery and forever and ever i guess i'm hung up on the drip irrigation the price that was surprising when we had talked when we went down on the river i just didn't fathom it being almost 300 thousand dollars but are you talking about installing a drip irrigation system like in the new park we have when you it goes down and then it circles out to where the tree roots would be and then goes down and circle putting in a new system instead of tapping into the existing system to do a drip irrigation it would be both with the

[1:34:20] the brown shaded section along the river we designed that and are installing that such that it could be added on quite easily so that section is about half the estimated cost about a hundred fifty thousand dollars the other cost the rest of the cost would be along the golf course that would be a separate system it would have its own separate meter and we would basically have to start from scratch on that system and the control of that system since it's in the park where we have a leaseholder in there who controls the timing and the number of watering etc and so forth on there for that system it would be the city yeah and that's one reason that one would be separate it would separate the golf course from that area as far as the the system and and mr wardlaw's right in regard to on the trees and that's one reason with us bidding it out if we are to install the drip doing it this fall this winter would be better because if you're trenching around you don't want to cut those roots when the tree's stressed already so we're doing the watering now and we've got that system up and running as you all talked about and staff got a good did a good job in getting that done but so we've got a little time for you all to give us the direction that we want to go as we discuss that if you're not ready to make a decision on the drip irrigation i would like some direction on the the golf course area and the remaining infrastructure items the securing the loose rocks the turnaround and the maintenance drive post his contract items matt one of the things i want to make clear when we talked about eligible uses of the funding uh certainly continued uh improvement along the river there's there's no question in our minds that those are eligible uses i think what we want to make clear is that i think if i were sitting in your chair i'd want to know can we get a street paved with this leftover funding and and i'd off the top of my head i'd say probably not

[1:36:22] this certainly to the extent that funds were granted for the river project you wouldn't you wouldn't be able to take those monies and and pave a street uh the closest you could come would be some kind of dedicated parking or parking associated with utilization of the these improvements so the question is the the borrowed money is the big bulk of the money associated with a half cent sales tax that money that was borrowed can that be utilized for paving of a street or a storm water improvement facility that kind of thing and probably not those funds were borrowed with specific uh when commitments associated with them we we told the purchasers of the bonds what we're going to use the money for and that's what we need to do and we can either so it really the the short answer is it boils down to continuing the improvements that we borrow the money for or don't do any more improvements and use the money toward debt service well i want to keep some contingency funds in there i don't want to spend everything we've got and i'm i'm more or less in agreement with winky on that on that drip irrigation and primarily because i don't want to cut the roots of those trees and if we've got a system that's working i don't see any reason in redoing it but uh well i'm ready to entertain a motion if someone's ready to make one i i'd just like to say that the drip irrigation i i have a problem with the cost but but that is the most effective way and it's and it's a better way than what we're doing now um and and we need to i i think we we need to fine-tune that and i'm not sure how how to fine-tune it the cost is high but other than that i would i would probably support it so well just a clarification what we're asking for is direction should we spend staff time on looking at the drip irrigation system

[1:38:26] designing the specs for designing the system and putting it out for bid it still has to come back to council for reward and consideration so we're asking you do you want us to spend our time on on developing that okay yeah i've got done one of the things and i'm not sure we can spend it this way my thought is i we've got an irrigation system in in place i'd rather spend the money to to put the water on the trees with what we have versus letting them die and spend that money that way if we can versus a whole new system uh or maybe even do it in phases as as we receive the the tax money something like that but i you know 300 000 for expanding the drip irrigation with no more knowledge than i have right now i'm not not sure that would be my priority mayor yes sir carl i didn't realize it was an existing system because evidently it wasn't working if all these trees died i know there some of them died because of disease but was it working it was several factors we had to drain the river to do the bank stabilization the the irrigation system we couldn't operate it because one in parts it wasn't operable and two we were in construction phase we couldn't run the irrigation system three was the drought the lack of the rainfall four it's the the trees that we lost were more species related i mean we lost the pecan trees we lost red oaks we didn't lose live oaks and the some of the elm trees so those are the main factors why that we've lost the trees well and then those also depending on where they were the ones that would be on the golf course side of the road would have been in the contract with with two pro as far as of course their focus and rightly so is on the greens you know not watering the roughs you know these would fall in the rough so you had all those those things as well which in this case you know those on the golf course side

[1:40:28] are under two pros uh meter so you know we'll have to work all that out with them so that they're not responsible for paying for us trying to and we've we've had those discussions but there's a lot of factors i was going to say i was going to finish uh i was i'm certainly again in favor of moving forward with negotiations or whatever you have to do with a private public type of miniature golf area there and then uh the turn because i'm looking at the list and that's you know that's way over the 300 000 or the eight hundred thousand uh so my this council person's interest is that miniature area for our youth okay uh if we need to go back and rehash the irrigation system i say go back and tweak it or whatever we have to do but i'm certainly in favor of moving forward for for the youth of the city mr fleming the way i look at it if we if we take the the drip irrigation out of there and we add up the items the the putt-putt area the loose rock by the artwork and the turnaround by cohenheim and the maintenance drive by the el paso to the pumps that adds up to 275 000 that's not including the contingency or well we had the 500 set aside over there and we had 300 and some thousand left over i would move that we do the things i just said and we leave that extra money in there and we look at that in a later date and we'll see if we need it at that time but that's that's what i would like i would move that we accept those things and move forward on doing those things say that again rodney just tell us exactly what you're saying i move that we we go ahead and use the three hundred thousand it's actually less it's gonna be 275 000 to extend or not to restoration of the putt-putt area secure the loose river rock by the artwork do the turnaround by cohenheim and me and do the maintenance drive by the el paso to the pumps though all those things added together are 275 000 so you're saying then pull the 150 out for

[1:42:31] signage and pull the 297. the signage needs i think i agree with winky on that we need to try to get hot to do that on the signage yes and we and really we don't have the money the previous council set up aside 500 000 if you set aside that 500 000 we only have 305 thousand this would get under that and then we're probably going to have a few things that are going to come up here in this next year anyways and then we'll have a little bit of money to do those things if we need them that's what i mean thank you i concur with that i'll second the move is that is that right that's right okay well the the or the motion 100 the 500 000 contingency uh it was set aside based on spending what kind of funds it's a river project funds but at the time some of the council members have talked about fountains for the river oh don't start that okay so don't go there well the whole deal is those dollars were set aside by council specifically for some purpose so they're they're not they're not attached to anything at this point but but the the river project was how much of the total river price yes the total total is 16 million but this last contractor portion is nine with a contingency 9.6 million well it's it's more with that with the change orders it's about 10 10. and i guess my point is i i understand having a half a million dollar contingency on 10 million a half a million dollar contingency on 900 000 that doesn't make sense but if we have a motion second let's move on and the motion is spent 275 thousand dollars and that is your second mr selves sir have any further council comment on this then i'm opening it up to the public do we have any comment from the public on this okay the motion has been made that we do everything except the signage and the irrigation for our 275 000 yes sir well we're not doing it we're just addressing

[1:44:37] staff to to to to move forward and negotiate okay let's do some plans it'll come back to us yes yeah and i'll add that we'll also even though we're not taking action on that irrigation item what we'll do is is internally look at the existing system and see if there are ways to tweak that system to make it more effective in watering the trees and if those are tweaks we can make and manage within our current budget not going into these dollars then we'll look at making those minor adjustments okay very well i've got one more question mr mayor yes sir what happens after all these funds are gone where is it is that it for the uh half cent sales tax monies that well the thing that you do have remaining yes those are the the thing that you do have remaining though is out of these dollars we purchased uh the edgewater property so at the time the thought was is that once that property sells those dollars would come back to the river project so those are dollars that could come back to fund additional things you know our hope is as johnny mentioned even going east you know it doesn't need to stop the bank stabilization going east has got to happen it's got to happen all the way to the sports complex the ucra has been great in partnering with us to get some grant dollars to do that so these may be some future seed dollars that we can leverage for grant dollars to actually make some of that stuff happen charlotte yes ma'am i was just curious i recall in the original plans for the downtown uh the river all of it the things that we wanted to do and i distinctly remember using some of our existing rock that's cut in the shape of a picnic tables and having cut in there you know like a checkerboard checker uh checkers or chest or in picnic tables i know we've got it you know that but the area at kids kingdom that goes up to concho street that area up there there's nothing but grass where we had the memorial for the hunt for heroes recently is an area that could use some picnic tables i don't recall what the expense

[1:46:39] of those were it wasn't enormous but i think that that you're right in some of the areas and what we're hoping is that when we actually finish out the project let's finish it out and then see where we remain in dollars and what we want to do at that point is really walk the river because sometimes when you can finish the project move the contractor out you can walk through and see okay there's we need to spend a few dollars here and there to do some fine tweaking we need some picnic tables here and we really intend to do that i think once we move the contractor out and then walk it and and i think we'll notice some other things as well that just needs some final tuning and so that's why the good thing about having some dollars to do that we agree we need to look at those once we're done and walk in motion has been made and seconded but i would also like to say that that river also goes north and we also need to work toward 14th street and on down to 29th street to tie into kirby park so the river goes from one end to town to the other so let's keep that in mind as well when we get extra fun we are buying your land to make sure that trail connection happens so we're thinking about that as well that's right and i know that's why i haven't said anything the motion has been made and i thought that was because you were the mayor that you hadn't said anything well i just wanted to make it known the mayor serves the entire city the motion has been made all of those in favor please say aye any opposed say nay put a 7-0 on that one as well please ma'am all right that got us through 14 now we are ready no we that got us through 13. now we're ready for 14. i understand that possibly you would like to postpone this marty tell me what you think sir yes we currently have staff we've been working with staff with with rick and aj about um what exactly our etj rights are and and

[1:48:43] they've been working with the county and and i understand it's illegal and so i'd like to just postpone it until the legal gets through looking at it and then they can present it back you made that informed promotion didn't i move that we table it until then second okay 14 is discussion and possible direction on items related to the city's authority within the exterior ex-territorial jurisdiction the etj and we have had a motion and a second to to to postpone this till a later date until we have more information yeah council discussion public discussion all of those in favor of the motion say aye aye any opposed nay put a 7-0 on that one as well ms ramirez okay now we're the item number 15 which is discussion and possible action regarding excess hotel occupancy tax receipts our finance director tina bonnell you have the floor man okay i'm here to present the hotel occupants oh sorry good morning mayor and council members i'm going to present the hotel occupancy tax their legal uses and restrictions can you not hear me sorry um okay um so far we've had the concept discussion with council today we're going to discuss what the the legal uses are and allowable expenditures are and then they will be up to council whether they decide to take any action one-seventh of the tax proceeds must be spent on advertising and promotion we currently contribute 795 000 to the convention and visitors bureau for that not more than 15 percent can be used for promotion of the arts and we currently contribute 5 of our total revenues to that cause for a municipality the size of san angelo the remaining revenue can be allocated at the direction of council

[1:50:48] we contribute 708 thousand dollars for civic events for fy13 that's based on their annual budget and the remaining surplus revenue is spent at the direction of council allowable uses of hotel occupancy tax revenues are for convention and visitor centers convention registrations advertising for the city promotion of the arts i'm moving through these kind of quickly if y'all need me to slow down i will just let me know historical restoration and preservation expenses directly related to a sporting event as long as we can prove the correlation there for promotion of tourism for existing sports facilities such as the texas bank sports complex you can use it for funding for transportation systems for tourists and for signage directing tourists to sites and attractions that are commonly visited by tourists other important information the hotels are permitted to retain one percent of the hotel occupancy tax gives them an incentive for monitoring these stays and keeping them at less than 30 days if possible also it's forfeited if they fail to submit their hotel occupancy tax to the city for the 30 day exemption rule i know that's come up once or twice so i just wanted to let you know that the guests must notify the hotel in writing prior to departure or prior to their stay in order for that to be granted if they do not they're only exempt after they pay the first 30 days hotel occupancy tax again hotels have an incentive to to encourage shorter stays because they do retain one percent for themselves this is the 2012-2013 budget our actual revenue was 2.2 million dollars

[1:52:52] and the current revenue budget is 1.575 million dollars year-to-date revenues and this was at the end of july were uh almost 2.3 million and we project a revenue for the entire fiscal year of about 2.6 that is um trending up a little and maybe closer to 2.7 this year this is the civic events fund balance just showing that that we do have the 90 day reserve of about 500 000 there in a surplus of 163 thousand and then this the commission and visitors bureau returned they had 300 000 that they would return to us i think it actually ended up being about 330 000 we do have that and so it'll be closer to five hundred thousand dollars that we have estimated available for one one-time projects eligible projects include the fort concho stables and air conditioning these are some things that we discussed with the stakeholders some ideas that they produced and and then we looked in to make sure that they were allowable expenses um also the convention center marquee fifteen thousand dollars uh river vest river fest we've discussed that at thirty thousand dollars the sewer line at the convention center is about fifty thousand dollars beams at the visitor center would be about thirty thousand dollars and there is some additional funding available from for that through the capital projects fund so that's why that's asterisked coliseum roof consultant would be about four well we estimate about forty thousand dollars we don't really have a we don't know right at this point we're just getting requests for proposals slash qualifications so i don't know we there may be zero dollars spent on a consultant that'll be y'all's decision we're working on bringing that back tina let me ask you yes going back to the the marquee is that is that it fifteen thousand dollars no sir we would have some funds available from capital projects i believe for that that would that would uh there's some

[1:54:54] funds from the remodel that they're holding that they would use to match this 15 and combined they would install that marquee very much in favor of marquee i'll tell you that right now so same thing with the beams at the visitor center i think there's some money available from the san angelo area foundation to i don't i don't remember what the it may be straight chamber money but there's some match money that goes with that also this that was just a portion of the expense in addition i think they've developed a less expensive alternative alternative to the sewer line project but i don't know the latest on it yeah those are changing because we're we're watching we're researching it and we've got a lot of studies on those which we may have figured out a cheaper solution any other questions on this slide yes yes ma'am beams at the visitor center i didn't think we owned the visitor center through a state grant the city participated actually city administered construction but we partnered with the chamber and the health foundation in construction and um we the request has come from the chamber through the cvb to participate in uh the replacement of these beams and each of those two have equal participation i mean it's going to cost 90 000 to replace beams is that correct i don't recall what the split is phil neighbors might be able to help sorry to put you on the spot phil phil neighbors the estimated cost right now is 60 80 000 but like these other projects we're waiting on final estimates from the construction people who are estimating what needs to be done it's a structural

[1:56:57] two beams structurally where the hole is in the atrium of the visitor center and and the health foundation in the chamber are each putting in thirty thousand dollars preferred to have seen that contribution instead of just the city paying for it period and when we don't own the building get more projects on the next slide yes we're ready to move on okay coliseum roof this is obviously just an estimate we don't really know until we i think you've started working on looking at that project is that right okay uh wayfinding phase one three hundred thousand dollars this is just a baseline um just very baseline where the signs would be it would not cover all of the areas of the city um but that's a starting point the wayfinding river quarter at 150 000 um a for forklift this would be for civic events so that they could put on larger productions like sesame street and some of those big shows that come in they would use that for that and then the sports complex the irrigation and repairs that's a project that would cost about 175 thousand dollars would also be eligible so so in actuality the coliseum roof is going to cost a half a million because you had 40 000 on the previous page i have no idea what it's going to and that's what i told you last time at the meeting was really there until we have someone come in and assess it these were numbers that were put on it last year so i really will not venture i mean those are numbers they put on there but i i'll tell you right now i have no idea and i wouldn't even guess until we have someone officially that's qualified look at it and tell us and and that's kind of where i think they're going with today what priorities i guess do you place on these i think at the last meeting y'all talked about the coliseum being one of those high priorities that we needed to focus on additionally the wayfinding phase one

[1:58:59] wayfinding could be double that number depending on how much work council wants done and way finding by itself could be a big enough project that we need to put a stakeholder group together and and begin to prioritize what we would do work on first and and then how deep to get into it i think they have a multi-phase approach developed for that but really we would need to get into deeper conversations with council on that and you all may want to look at them from not a money standpoint at this point this is my suggestion as to what what are the priorities and then let us work them out from there trying to hash out numbers that are more perfect and like i said we have about 500 000 in fund balance after the 90 days reserve just from from fiscal year from last fiscal year so and based on this year's budget possibly another million yes additional fan balance at the end of september at the end of next september we're in august right at the end of september we could have as much as another million and so if we could get general direction conceptual type direction like the roof this looks like a priority you know get out there and sharpen your pencil if we could get some of that we don't have to have it today but there are some things like the uh stables at fort concho that if we could get that moving quickly enough we might have that ac installed by next year's season and so if we knew what some of those general priorities were we could we could have staff start working those up without direction or authorization to spend money we could start tuning that up and bring back some more specific proposals

[2:01:01] for you again the roof the coliseum is a concern both from a protection of that asset standpoint and because we're uncertain about the total cost tina or rick i noticed that on the last slide the 175 000 for the sports complex irrigation and repairs was not on our background okay so that's the first time i see it but my that's one my question to that is when i see repairs i automatically think uh damages so are we repairing something that happened went wrong or a lot of what's happened in the sports complex of course we're moving into the you know it's been there a little while so there's there are repairs the bulk of that would be with the irrigation system when when we put that in uh the irrigation system is of course massive and the amount of water that moves through there because of the drought and so forth the amount of water we were having to move through that system in some cases would melt literally melt the valves and those kind of things so we have we've got maintenance things that need to be addressed primarily not because of vandalism or those kind of things but due to use and due to the irrigation system and how we're having to use it so heavily and intensely primarily associated with heat and drought and then two on the way finding phase one and the river is that oh i think i just answered my question the 150 000 was the same wayfinding amount that was on the river that carl just presented that what carl just presented right i believe so okay so the 300 000 then is what i mean there were different components y'all can add in there's different phil may be able to answer there are different components of the wayfinding study and some of those the one we broke out was the river component which just tried to get you down to river elements um and then there's a whole nother aspect to the way 300 000 i looked at the master plan and kind of sectioned out what was going to be done for the river kind of as a minimal to

[2:03:04] get things together but in the whole package you know it was done as a master plan with a company and there is going to be a benefit if we whatever we choose on the way finding for you know the city as well as the wayfinding for the river we still need to hire go back to that consultant and put together the final drawings and and graphics for all these sides so i think that there's there's some total project cost associated with that a projection do you remember what that was phil by chance from the study it's way this is only a small opponent of it that's correct i think uh johnny moore to the what i think the point of your question was what what would we be way finding if it point people toward the fort toward the airport the downtown business district those kinds of things depending on what your priority for completion of that was if you identified the airport as a priority then way finding for the airport could be a a segment of the project if the downtown area the convention center city hall that kind of thing could all be portions of probably are already portions of that wayfinding the question is how much of it you want to do and they've scaled down to a phase one amount but just reiterate you know i think it needs to be looked as as a share you know a single component you know we can put a little bit to the river and put a little bit to you know the city just think of it in that way as we move forward charlotte ben dock in uh reading some material our culture report that was done recently in the last six seven months and presented to us i read in there how san angelo is not a capitalizing on their historic value which would bring more tourism to san angelo y'all are going to laugh at me

[2:05:07] when i bring this up except maybe the mayor won't why can't the cemetery use a portion of the hot money because i made the joke last time that well essentially it is heads and beds but however what it is it is a historic feature of san angelo that needs to be promoted good good question and i think the cemetery would be part of the wayfinding project and to that extent probably it makes some sense the other point would be we need to figure out exactly uh what we would need to document in order for in the way of heads and beds in order for other cemetery improvements how they might qualify for occupancy tests really really the bottom line is anything that the you use the revenues for has to promote tourism and it's going to be hard to say that you're going to improve the cemetery and that that's going to promote tourism so i think you would have to make a direct correlation somehow would be the issue i do want us to look into that and don't get me wrong how i'm comparison here i saw colonel bob walk in and i know that for eight years air conditioning has been on the agendas for the stables at fort these are income producing items and that we need in my opinion need to look at all of our income producing properties if they need something we need to get it done especially the air conditioning at the fort i'm already receiving phone calls that my daughter's wedding is going to be there in may or june and july and please tell me you're going to have the air conditioning system installed so that's important to me i'm not you're up there um once again a consultant for the coliseum is crazy to me if if we hire a company that that can do this job that doesn't have the

[2:07:10] know-how we're hiring the wrong company so to me that's 40 000 that that we can put in our pocket the the once again from what i'm understanding the coliseum has to be done uh whether we like it or not now one of my questions is do we have capital monies i mean this is not an overnight thing that we just found out about in addition to hot money this project has been listed for capital funding for several years council has never taken any action to fund that so there are no dollars set aside for it okay we do have in the budget that is the current draft of the budget that we'll be talking about later in the day approximately 1.75 million in general fund dollars which is not dedicated at this point to any particular project approximately 250 000 of it is earmarked for annual funding for fire trucks but the rest of that 1.75 the 1.5 million that remains is not earmarked or designated or thought of for anything at this point so if that budget goes as it's currently drafted there could be some money to contribute to add to occupancy tax money to assist with that roof well i and here again it's just my redneck coming out i guess but you know i have an iphone and i can find anything in dallas i know that anybody that has an iphone can find the ford or whatever to me the the practical application is a roof for the coliseum and i agree with charlotte we're we're losing out on monies uh coming in because we don't have an air conditioner in in the fort uh i mean to to me those should be absolutely the the type things that are are practical versus pretty signs to show me where i

[2:09:12] can find how to go anyway i i think staff agrees and i think that air conditioning and the roof were very high priorities they may have been one and two for the stakeholder group we put together i know i think there's little i don't think you'll get any argument about those being very high priorities well and along with that if we can can find some other monies to help with the roof on the coliseum to where we can can stretch our our hot dollars i think that's a win-win situation also well um as we commented earlier we think about 500 000 available as of the end of the last fiscal year that's cash on hand right now plus we're anticipating approximately a million dollars more available in a month a little over a month so by the time we're ready to make final decisions or make uh execute contracts we we think we'll have in the neighborhood of one and a half million dollars to allocate to uh items that council sees as priority for these this funding source okay to go back to your question about the consultant i believe that a consultant would only be required if there were structural issues detected and at this point i don't think they've they've seen any structure as i said before what we're going to put out is a request for qualifications slash proposals and so with that said i i hope that we will get someone in who is qualified to construct and advise in what what should be going on i don't know if there are going to be any structural issues with changing it out yet or not but if so then hopefully that company has a licensed engineer who can handle those things but it's too early for me to tell we haven't gotten those back in yet okay thank you rodney fleming the way i look at this is we don't have any idea what the roof is going to cost and we're going to have some extra money probably in a month that we could go

[2:11:14] that direction when we do find out when we have this roof what i think we should do and what i'm going to move that we do is that we go ahead and put forward the the the stables everybody's kind of in agreement on doing the stables the convention center marquee the river fest we talked about that the last time i'm not for the river fest i'm not going to move that we do that the sewer line at the convention center the beams at the vis visitor center the forklift and the fields if you add all those things up they add up to four hundred and two thousand dollars that'll be under the five hundred thousand that we have right now we get that done and then we'll have a little bit of extra money so that when we do come back and the roof you know let's say the roof does come back and it's eight hundred thousand or it is a million dollars we have no idea what it is going to be we'd have some money in there but i say we just let's go ahead and move forward on these things get them done and just move from there that sounded like motion i'm going to second that motion slash move whatever you want to call it i'll second that's a good idea can you repeat the ones that you said so that i can make sure i have them the stables is a hundred thousand the convention center marquee is fifteen thousand the sewer line at the convention center is fifty thousand the beams at the visitor center are 30 000. the forklift is 32 000 and the baseball field complex irrigation repair is 175 000. i believe if my math is right if you add those up it's 402 000. okay what we would ask is that uh you direct staff to proceed with uh developing firmer estimates we're not anywhere near taking this from a staff perspective and running with it okay we want to bring back we want to develop an action plan for each of those items and then get council approval on each of those as it as it's necessary so i moved it and we take that we direct staff to start moving forward on those items and i'll stick to my second bettina i wouldn't ask yes sir remind me

[2:13:17] again where the goes uh i i'm i'm gonna have to ask this is hot money yes ma'am money hotel occupancy tax yes ma'am have a huge question you know we have all kinds of boards that we get people's advice and information of and i understand that staff had a meeting not long ago with reference to hot money i have to tell you that i had a meeting am i going to name the site or the persons but i had a meeting at one of our local hotel motels with the folks and i don't understand why we didn't invite them to a meeting to get their opinion on what they need in help out there i was very surprised uh to find that way finding signs that they desperately need you know signs pointing as to where they are or where things are because it's very difficult even for a little if we had a map of san angelo at their hotels that pointed out to where all these events are you know like they do in san antonio and austin and dallas but i just want to state that i was disappointed that nobody from our hotel motel community was included to get their opinions and when you narrow put this down maybe you could invite some of them or because they're things that's their business their industry that we know nothing about and i don't think anybody on finance knows that much about it's just a request thank you certainly i think they're represented on the cbb board and cbb board was represented so if we were we are very open to comments from that industry uh things are good for them right now we want to keep them good for them just learned a lot in just that one hour and a half meeting it about their industry we are interested what their comments are and we welcome their calls johnny no just a quick clarification on the forklift where does it go from my understanding it's for civic events they would use it to put on bigger productions that we can't really host right now because we don't have the

[2:15:22] proper equipment for staging and and things like that we've had forklift issues for a while thanks hi my name is i'm the manager for civic events the forklift specifically we have a forklift and we need it for any large in production and loadout the one that we have is on its last leg we do have the option of selling it as it is and can recoup so this 32 000 is just a figure for a new one to replace that we would recoup some money in selling our old one but we do are in desperate need of one so and you'll be driving the new one yes okay if you want me to i will i want that kind of piggybacking with charlotte we've got a couple of members out there if i'd like to invite them to come up and address anything that has been said and maybe perhaps give us their priorities a little bit uh you know i've kind of had my say if y'all want to come up and visit just for a guess second well i saw him sitting out there and we were not going to complete this without your okay michaela brownfield and scott zaruvas and angela lodging association uh we do ask you keep mentioning stakeholder meetings we were a little shocked to find out about the meeting and that we hadn't been that we didn't even know about it yes we do sit on cvb boards and civic events boards however we so we kind of you know we're not in favor or we don't have an agenda desperately for either one of those but we would like to be involved in the stakeholder meetings mr fleming i appreciate the the motion you've made and agree agree with it but just for the record wayfinding from the visitor standpoint is very important now air conditioning at the stables is also one of our one of our top preferences as well as coliseum roof we do think other money should be put in with all of them but

[2:17:25] standing behind that front desk trying to get people around this town is very difficult our joke is the town was laid out by drunk so it way finding when the money comes available is very very important as well as it just makes the city more tourist friendly so that more than anything as occupancy as hoteliers the ones that are actually collecting that money and spend many hours working on it we are very very interested in being involved and wanting to put have our say into it because i think more than anybody we probably know what those tourists that produce that that tax dollar are looking for what what's needed probably have more information on the best use of the money at least from the actual tourist side of it and then also our goal as always for years now has been to make sure the occupancy dollars are spent in a way that it's accountable legal transparent so our other issue like i said some of us do sit on civic events board and i know we have asked that the in the budget itself that all this extra the extra that we're all talking about here be put as a separate line item so it's very transparent so we can all see where it spent what is spent just so there's no question as far as it being co-mingled with other funds so the only thing she didn't say is that with all those tax dollars is we're just looking for the biggest bang for the buck as far as the taxes collected to be used for um tourism and the hotel industry is the first thing if you actually read the tax code it actually names hotel industry since we're collecting it the more we collect the better we do obviously the more taxes are there so just keep in mind the biggest bang for the buck as we

[2:19:27] spend this as far as tourism related stuff the more people that come in and spend running in hotel rooms more taxes are collected any questions thank y'all thank you thanks thank you well it's my turn now and i agree with what you said rodney uh as far as this forklift no more than you're going to need this thing i don't know why you couldn't rent a big forklift to do what you need to do but am i wrong there when you start looking at how much it costs to rent on an as needed basis we use this all the time not just for large events that come in and out but on a daily basis when we have football we need it for loading loader of the field it's something that we need on a daily basis so when you look at how i mean if you had to rent that out from asco it would be way more than 32 000. and i understand if you use it on a on a daily basis but if you're just using it for these big events maintenance is also very expensive so if you if you can justify it then yes sir that's in rodney's motion i don't have a problem with it also i'd like to save some of this money and i hate to keep talking about that but we need to put some of this money back that we're saying we don't have to spend it just because it's there well do you recall that we do have a 90-day fund balance reserved already in addition this is just what's over that 90-day fund balance so just sorry and i want to keep some of it held back i don't think we'll spend it just because it's there so i'm going to continue to harp on that one as well do we have any other public comment emotion has been made and it has been seconded and unless you want to amend your motion in some way are you amend your second in some way i suppose we'd better handle it and the motion has been made for four hundred and two thousand dollars which you've got it you you had it there don't you alicia okay do we need to list it again okay we've already said what they're for

[2:21:28] the motion has been made we spend 425 thousand dollars one or two 202 402 that we give staff direction direction to go ahead and to firm these up and that when we get some estimates on the roof that we can deal with that we will take this up at that time and possibly that'd be a good time to see where we are in the actual monies that we get and we can look in it wayfaring which probably is the next thing on my list so the motion has been made it has been seconded all of those in favor say aye aye any opposed nay put another 7-0 on that one too please ma'am thank you all right where are we 16 is another budget so i guess number 17 and we've got about 17 minutes until it's time for lunch and executive so let's go ahead and take 17 and after 17 we'll probably break for executive and lunch number 17 is the first public hearing of consideration of it introducing an audience or the nuns amending established boundaries of single member district six an ordinance of the city council of the city of san angelo amending the established boundaries of single member district number six for the purpose of incorporating newly annexed areas into said district providing for pre-clearance and all necessary actions and providing for an effective date ms ramirez the motion the ordinance as you read this caption is exactly what i'm seeking due to the annexation of the property in single member district six we have to update our boundary maps and that's what this is and that would be your area ms farmer so would you like to make a motion one way or the other and then defend it i'll move to adopt the proposed ordinance and the revised smd six map as presented correct second okay let's use marty's second on that miss farmer made the motion do i have any other council discussion i have a

[2:23:30] quick question yes sir what does that do to the uh the voting bloc for that does it increase it or it's unique well right now it's uninhabited but we know once it it's developed then those that population will be included but it won't be included until we have our census or so the coyotes and the birds and all came votes and they don't vote okay i'm okay with it they highlight a lot we have any other coyotes don't vote no they don't vote they just get to have they do not vote any other discussion public discussion on annexation district six if not i will call for the vote all of those in favor say aye aye any opposed nay 7-0 i keep thinking he says 16. okay let's do 16. this is the first public hearing in consideration of introducing an ordinance amending the 212 213 budget for new projects and incomplete projects and ordinance of the city of san angelo amending the budget for the fiscal year beginning october 1 to 12 and ending september 30 to 13 for new projects incomplete projects capital projects and grants ms brooks good morning mayor council this is the final budget amendment for the 2012-2013 budget and i'd like to go over the items on the page immediately following exhibit a if y'all want to follow along if you have any questions just feel free to stop me the first item is for reimbursed expenses for work performed by our facilities maintenance department per lease agreement with the symphony this increases revenue and expense by 2365 the next item is for nature center programs it's income from the summer camp and sale of retail items this increases revenue by eleven thousand and increases expense by seven thousand with a net benefit of four thousand to the general fund the next item is the gang initiative

[2:25:32] grant increasing both revenue and expense by twenty one thousand seven hundred nineteen dollars the next item is the south tier streetscape project this is funded by downtown san angelo and an aep grant increasing revenue and expense by twenty five thousand dollars the next item is a property insurance claim for the pianos lost in the warehouse fire it increases revenue by two hundred and forty five thousand dollars and expense by two hundred and fifty five thousand dollars at a cost to the property and casualty fund fund balance of 10 000 and that is for the deductible on the insurance policy the next item is the airport layout plan it's funded by passenger facility charges and it's for an amendment to a task order approved by council in january increasing both revenue and expense by 144 804 the next item is perpetual care at the cemetery increasing revenue by twelve thousand dollars in expense by eleven thousand five hundred dollars netting a benefit of five hundred dollars and the last item is the riverfest project uh funded by donations concessions and novelty sales increasing both revenue and expense by thirty thousand dollars the total increase to revenue is 491 888 and the total increase to expenses four hundred and ninety seven thousand three hundred and eighty eight dollars council move to approve as presented second johnny made the motion i have a question and mr fleming ms farmer the donation of the steinway piano for the symphony is that something that's going to be located in our

[2:27:34] incomplete hall or at the new their new performing arts center i mean who is it being donated to the city or to the performing arts i'm not aware of a donation can you enlighten us this is a replacement of the pianos that were lost in the warehouse fire insurance claim yes i still didn't answer my question but charlotte they were storing those in that warehouse that went down so i don't think the city would own these and i haven't heard of a request for us to store them at this point i think is that what you're looking for yeah i was just looking at see if you appreciate the donation and the family donating but when you donate something and we're under transition i mean that's another these aren't a donation it's an insurance payment those those pianos were in that warehouse that burned so we have an insurance payment angelica can you elaborate there is one other thing miss farmer we are working with the san angelo symphony in trying to look for a place to store that it would be i guess better for the city for it to be stored on a city facility and we're just looking at options city auditorium being one we're looking at a storage center in the bre brc center as a possible storage area for those pianos and that would be stored until we finished the auditorium where they would be using them correct it's a replacement issue here but it's a good question as far as storage goes further council questions further council comment comments from the public if not we're going to call for the vote did i see someone from the public come on jerry i hope this is the appropriate time but my name is jerry c and i'm one of the

[2:29:36] leaders and the member of saint paul baptist church in wtos i would ask you not to forget the 19th street project because that's one of the most dangerous streets in the black shield area and our main concern is our children going back and forth to school and the pedestrians and the elderly people it's a very dangerous street and and i ask you please don't forget the 19th street project and i thank you very much for your time thank you so much appreciate it any further public comment if not i'll call for the vote all those in favor the motion is made please say aye aye any opposed nay put a 7-0 on that one as well thank you ma'am that's about all we did we get in budget so let's go to executive let me read this executive session under the revision of government code title v open government ethics subtitle a open government chapter 551 open meeting sub chapter d exceptions to requirements that meetings be open first bullet section 551072 to deliberate the purchase exchange lease or value of real property regarding lake nazar the lease lots lake nasworthy property red arroya hills edition west texas water partnership lease of city on property in the downtown area bullet point number two section 551 074 a 1 to deliberate the appointment employment evaluation reassignment duties discipline or dismissal of the city manager it is 11 51 and i can't even start to give you a time and how long it's going to take us to be an executive so only thing we have left are the budget items i expect will be in their couple hours so when we get through with executive

[2:31:38] then we will complete the rest of the agenda which is all budget everything else is tended to so we will at this time 11 51 adjourn to the executive meeting back to order and it is time to discuss item number 12 which is discussion and consideration of matters related to the fiscal year 213 214 budget including and i guess we'll take these one at a time we'll start with number a which is the first public hearing of a proposed property tax levy for the city of san angelo for the 213 tax year let get you started yes sir go morgan we have three items we need to do today we'll take them one by one item a have a public hearing on the tax levy just uh one item here for the public to note we are required to have a first public hearing of the proposed tax levy for the 2013 tax year which of course is our fiscal year 14 budget year on august 6 we took that record vote to propose a property tax rate the adopted rate may not exceed 78.1 cents the property tax levy ordinance will be introduced at the regular meeting on september 3rd anybody anyone want to move to approve this i'll move if i can say this right yes sir mayor the key here is that council has taken a record vote at the last meeting we are discussing the possibility of a rate of 78.1 and morgan i think this is an opportunity for public comment on that and forgive me it's not an action item item a is simply a public hearing okay okay so if you'll invite public comment uh give the public an opportunity to comment and then uh i believe that item a would be concluded with that public economy and the fact that we approve this means that we can go down but we cannot go up above this amount that's correct that's what last week's item since this is a public

[2:33:40] hearing i am asking for public comment anyone from the public that cares to speak to this this is your opportunity any account council comments on the but on the december a on this uh 78.1 on the tax levy yes well i've done a bunch of work on the budget and i've found a bunch of things i think we can cut and uh it's been this council's procedure the last few years to cut one one cent uh ever every year and uh i think i'm i'm in favor doing that again and i i can find plenty of cuts to uh make up for the that a 370 percent rate cut would uh cause did you make a motion or is that just a discussion no it's just discussions public hearing okay so that's what we've done we've had public hearing if there is no no further discussion we'll move on to item b can i talk about the house yes okay um yes it was eight years ago a 10-year forecast you know of the budget in which our outside auditing firm has acknowledged that uh in our financial process that we'd made a 10-year commitment to lower the property tax but in looking at the reappraisal amounts which we are receiving i believe you said 561 thousand dollars more a year because of increased property values or new items coming on board in looking at the budget i believe there's areas that we can cut and not hurt services and still award the citizens award our constituents for living in san angelo and bring that property rate down at least a penny is what i would like to see any other comment rodney

[2:35:46] my thought on this process is that i do agree that we should make some cuts out of this budget i would like to see those cuts that you're talking about winky and and where they're coming from i say we cut them if if it's something that does need to be cut we do cut it as far as lowering i think we're ahead of schedule on our 10-year plan is that correct on far as lowering yes we are ahead of schedule there are so many other projects out there that are so vital to the city right now that are in so dire need of money that i don't i don't think we should cut it by another penny that 370 thousand dollars the one of the main things i can think about right off the bat is the columbarium is we could move that money over to that project and that would get it get it going so i i'm in favor of doing the cuts but i'm not in favor of lowering this at this time well i'll be happy in response to your statement i'll be more than happy to show you the cuts that i'm proposing and we can do it now or we can do it later as we work through this because they add up to about 464 thousand dollars which will take care of the columbarium and and other things that we have to do that wouldn't take care of all of that i mean you're talking 370 000 just on this one cent thing and then we when we were doing the budget the other day we were in the whole 800 and what was it 800 and something then i'm not sure that was right though rodney i need to see i need to see some numbers and see the number i saw up there that we were in we were negative 800 and something thousand dollars of getting to budget and get it balanced is that an item b sure we if if it's a pleasure we can certainly move on to item b this is public the the section number a was simply to discuss the levy if we get into b then we can have the the discussion johnny yeah on a uh i'm in favor of just leaving it where it is after we're done with the budget after we finalize everything if then we

[2:37:48] can if then and only then can we then lower it then i'm okay with it i'd rather just keep it where it is right now until we we analyze and look at everything and if there's proposed cuts so be it but then i think we wait till then because by by law we can still lower it afterwards so i propose we leave it for right now i grew johnny i i think we have to make sure we got all the budget items first and and when we got the budget set then we can look at what we want to do you have any feelings done no we can always lower it we can't raise it but we can always lower it and if we decide at the end that we can lower it and still make our budget then by all means we can lower it at that time and that's what that's what i was saying mr mayor i wasn't intending to make a motion or we can take care of that after we realize what we need to spend and what we have to spend does that take care of a yes sir okay public hearing is over item b of item b of number 12 is the first public hearing consideration of introducing an ordinance of the city of san angelo approving and adopting the f fiscal year 214 budget related matter no need to read the rest of this no yes i'm sorry i do an ordinance of the city of san angelo approving and adopting the budget for the fiscal year beginning october 1 213 ending september 30 to 14 adopting employee compensation schedules providing for the general appropriation of funds reserving under the city council the authority to transfer appropriations budgeted ratifying transfers of appropriations occurring in the 212-13 fiscal year and amending that budget ordinance accordingly reserving reserving unto the city council of power only as permitted by law to amend or make changes in the budget for municipal purposes providing authority for the

[2:39:50] city manager or is designated to make certain adjustments from time to time in or between budgeted allocations authorizing the city manager or is designated to apply for certain grants and execute any related documents and providing for filing of the budget thus read yes sir that's a mouthful i appreciate that the budget you have before you the budget ordinance and the financial summaries supporting that ordinance include basically four items changed from what we've added in from what we've discussed in the past the first item would be the meet and confer contract 465 thousand dollars for the police meeting to confer negotiations the next item is a fire training center debt service these are items these top three items are items that have been previously approved by city council that need to be added to the budget and so that's what's before you and the third item there is the contractually obligated target increase request uh this is specifically the water lily there's an escalation clause in that contract and so uh what's before you is a a budget that balances the general fund budget in particular balances exactly at zero and of course last week we had talked about an 800 000 shortfall we had talked about needs and target increase requests uh what we have proposed right now since there is still certainly a lot of policy decision to be made a lot of priorities and and key items to be funded what's before you today is one million three hundred and eight thousand dollars currently in contingency we ask that you adopt that in the original budget so that it's available for use for employee raises strategic priorities and any item there and so that's what's before you today and to show you in a similar format that we talked about last meeting is you know we began our budget discussions with uh one million nine hundred seventy six thousand dollars revenues in excess of expenditures uh certainly we had projects eight hundred thousand dollars

[2:41:53] in excess of that and so uh just another way of reporting it that meet and confer was subtracted out of that 1.9 million fire debt service uh the the water lily contract uh leaving a remainder of one million three hundred and eight thousand that's currently budgeted contingency and will not be released without city council or city management directive and so that money is 100 percent available for discussion um for the for the council's pleasure of how we would like to to utilize those dollars mayor and council members i'd like to as far as the contingency the 1.3 million dollars i definitely want to recommend a a budget workshop to take a look at that contingency and look at again expenditures that councilman ward i mentioned a while ago again i would like to dedicate time at least four hours that we can actually sit down and go through this the contingency or the uh this this workshop and my recommendation is again like we did it last time let's consider a date monday or tuesday or wednesday of next week whenever in the morning in the afternoon but i need at least four hours of your time if i could this method allows you to be introduced the budget ordinance to move ahead on the state prescribed time timeline and it holds the 1.3 million subject to your allocation at this future budget workshop so we need to set a date yes sir yeah i'll move that we set a date on either monday or tuesday afternoon for the budget workshop because that's what we need that'll work when's convenient i'm i'm open either day two o'clock two o'clock two o'clock monday tuesday before we get too far along let me understand now michael we're we're strictly talking about the the million three we're not talking about any other changes to the budget because

[2:43:57] once we're we're approving this ordinance then this budget is locked in except for the million three is that correct well you'll have more flexibility than that for example the 1.3 is undecided but absent further action by council the other items are approved however the council can still direct the city manager to move items or to re-prioritize other items that authority still exists so the key is to get the total amounts approved and then work the details out our understanding is that these definitely are details that need to be worked out there may be trade-offs some cuts while other items get funded but that can that can occur in other areas also not just this general fund okay so we can we can do the or discuss the the cuts that winky has has talked about here at that time even though we're adopting this ordinance yes sir okay if we uh we'll be talking about the tax rate again here in a minute but we'll introduce the tax levy ordinance at the next regular council meeting and so at this work session we'll have an opportunity to get direction to staff about what what that tax rate should be if it needs to be lower than the current rate i do i do have appointments on on monday afternoon that must be kept so if tuesday would be possible that would be much better if council doesn't mind tuesday i do have one thing i'd like to say yes sir i i notice there are some people that over here on the left side i'm gonna preference the left side that in the back that that

[2:46:00] have gray hair and and they had a blue shirt blue shirt yeah both of them blue shirts uh and they had there was a question lisa about the retirees and and i think the email was sent to you we do have that covered right now okay i just wanted to make sure they were aware of that so they wouldn't have to come tuesday looking out there sometimes just hurts me okay we've got a budget workshop set up two o'clock tuesday you all right charlotte as long as we can cover everything in the budget in the workshop uh you know i'm accustomed to doing the light item and we've not done that and i've got lots of questions especially for incentive pay and what this means and etc and so forth okay we'll cover it all okay okay that was a publication we still need to take comments from the public so if anyone wishes to speak to this from the public this is your opportunity especially those in the blue shirts mayor while the public makes their way forward yes i'll suggest that this is an this one is an action item this is introdu introduction of the ordinance so staff does seek an action on this so we we are proving it generally but yet we're not locking anything in we can make some adjustments especially with our contingency and if we choose to prior re-prioritize next week we can do this yes sir and we're introducing the ordinance we are introducing an introduction of the ordinance how long do you have from the introduction until you have to do something isn't there a time frame well we'll have the second reading of the ordinance at the first meeting in september and we are anticipating uh that is also the meeting where we will

[2:48:02] introduce introduce the tax levy ordinance which we will pass on its second reading at the second meeting in september which gets us in before that september 30 deadline the state sets what we're hoping for is complete guidance from council at this next work session do you want to approach russell i mean if you if you've got something you need us to know this is your time your comment has to stay pertaining to the ordinance and you have to state your name too russell smith and uh i think most of our concerns have been met today just in basics but the main thing is the retirees as y'all as some of you know and some of you may not for a number of years have started to take a very real interest in the proceedings here mr mayor and city council especially because prior to 1999 so many of the retirees retired under a very uncompetitive pay plan in 99 they started implementing a pay plan that averaged many of the city's other city salaries against san angelo and the raises started rising the problem with those other retirees is is they retired under that whole system of 40 to 50 percent below with an annuity that was 40 to 50 percent below their counterparts at the same time that this was happening there came about a day where the city council under a different city manager took away our pharmacy they took away our cost of living raises and they dramatically hurt the retirees by starting to charge them for health

[2:50:04] care and to make the dependent coverage in many cases as high as 10 times higher than it was the year before in our employee handbook it said prior to 99 that we would receive our health care and so we've come and for any of you that are not aware of these situations i actually have figures that show at one point where about i believe 20 percent of the employees retired less than 500 a month as your police chief i retired it taken home about 1800 a month and it looks like now when i turn 65 it'll take about a third of that to pay the taxes on my house so that's our concern and and we're we're just aware and and uh i did email a few of you because of something that we heard and and i don't know if this is the time or the place we were kind of discussing it before uh the invitation and thank you very much and i i some of these guys knew me when i had black hair but anyway we're here we're here to help inform you if you need it to understand the situation of the retirees we do have facts and figures that we got from the texas municipal retirement system in the past one of our greatest concerns and i don't know if i should say this under this but and i will and then i'll shut up and go sit down but is it recently where they took away the cost of living raised for your retirees people that retire today get across the living raise and have been getting them and now back to about the people at 2002 that retired from 2002 on have gotten them but we as many of us that retired in a lot of your water department and street and bridge people they get hardly anything so even a 10 or 15 20 increase on them is a tremendous amount of money

[2:52:07] so anyway we appreciate what you do we know you face many challenges but we also know that you're living in a in about a five or ten year window where you're going to have some growth and little by little we're dying off they did away with this in 2000 no it's the truth because in 2000 they stopped the health care for incoming employees and so those of us that are left while we're here so and we're very much part of the city and always going to be appreciate y'all and y'all have a real challenge so thank you entertain a motion to approve this so moved so we've got a motion we've got a second we've had comments is there any further comment from either the council or the public if not i will ask for a for approval all of those in favor say aye aye any opposed nay okay we have one nay that would be mr farmer we would have six eyes six to one miss alicia all righty we've got one other section of this and that would be c which is consideration of conducting a separate record vote to ratify the property tax increase of 2.52 percent as reflected in the newly adopted budget in place the adoption of this tax rate increase on the agenda for the september 3 213 regular meeting of the city council as an action item and any action in connection there too so this is just public hearing as well we are required to hold as a separate record vote we've already met the public hearing requirement this is just to ratify that the budget that's been introduced has greater property tax revenue than last year's budget to the tune of 2.52 percent and the state law is very clear and a big stickler that what they would prefer is that when you make when you move to

[2:54:09] adopt this item that you move and read exactly what's in quotes here on your screen okay let me make it i move that we ratify the property tax increase of 2.52 percent as reflected in the newly adopted budget and place the adoption of this tax rate increase on the agenda for the september 3-13 regular meeting of the city council as an action item second comment counsel yes sir what if we what if we reduce the property tax rate will require an amendment to the budget and the 2.52 will change yes sir is that going to be a problem no no sir no it's it's perfectly acceptable to adopt a lower tax rate later uh the state is just because of their deadlines of we have to adopt the budget before we adopt a tax rate that's what's in the budget right now is the the flat tax rate which would yield a 2.52 which as we've discussed in previous meetings individual meetings and public meetings any other questions public comment i've got a motion i've got a second all of those in favor say aye any opposed nay this is another 6-1 vote ms farmer is nay and that takes us we've taken care of all the rest of them haven't we this takes us to follow-up and administrative issues number 18 is consideration of and possible action on matters discussed an executive closed session if needed and we do discuss several items in executive but there was no decisions arrived at so at this time there is nothing to to talk about from the executive session which leads us to number 19 which is consideration of approving

[2:56:12] various board nominations by council and designated council members a is the fort concho museum board darren fentress smd 3 to a full first term january 216 water advisory board paul alexander from single member district 3 to an unexpired term september 2013. can i ask a question yes ma'am on the water advisory board now i need to ask on other consolidations of boards that we'd been doing and cutting down the number of boards and adding two there was some prior discussion about the water advisory board since they hadn't met since january of 2012 the need for that board and i don't remember the outcome so i need to ask somebody at the time when they were all reviewed yes they had not met but that was not one of the boards that they decided to consolidate so it was left as is looking for a motion i'll move to approve these two gentlemen second i have a motion i have a second do we have comment from counsel do we have public comment if not i'll call for the vote all of those in favor of approving darren fentress and paul alexander signify by saying aye aye all opposed nay that's a 7-0 elisha all right now we're announcements and considerations of future items that kind of got out of spot didn't it it did let's go to 21. consideration of october 21 213 city council meeting and any action in connection thereto and i suppose consideration of what does that mean i think i had two um either council members and the city manager that we're going to be out on that date and i need to make sure that this meeting would be held as is or as scheduled or do we need to reschedule it i think you had a conference

[2:58:21] i don't have anything going for october 21. when is tml is tml earlier than that that estma no somebody said something about not being at the meeting um there is a ports the plains meeting in in amarillo that is immediately second the third and the fourth it's the first part of that yeah there is a tml meeting in there sometime but i'm not sure when it is yeah it's gonna be uh that may be what it is my calendar shows tml is tuesday october 8th for the rest of that week and the first tuesday of october i think is the first yep so you showed tml on the 8th dml i showed tml on the 8th i showed tuesday the first that ports to planes yes that starts well i've got wednesday i've got wednesday the 2nd thursday the 3rd and friday the 4th for ports of the plains do you know if those sessions start uh first thing in the morning on wednesday i'm sure that's when it'll start that would make tuesday a travel day well we're out of here usually by 6. i don't have a problem with tuesday the first is a meeting date and i don't have a problem with the 21st unless it does coincide with something that we're not seeing we'll come back we'll come back to that okay we'll worry about that later yes okay let's move on then from 21. evening meetings this is item number 22. beginning october 1 213 the city council will conduct an evening meeting at six

[3:00:23] o'clock once per quarter tentative meeting dates october 1 213 january 7 214 april 1 214 july 1 214. this is just a public notice so we don't it doesn't require any action at this time tonight this was based on uh mr vardaman's suggestion that we conduct an evening meeting once per quarter we're going to try one time actually we were going to try one that's it and then if it went well then we would talk about quarters so it's just one meeting and then we'll go over there do we want to go ahead and then lock in this october 1 213 as an evening meeting but if you're going to be traveling actually daniel we have you marked out on tuesday and it says amarillo parts the planes okay so there may be a pre-event issue and that's october 1 isn't it both our calendars show that becky is so it can't be october if the first meeting then october 15th january the 7th meeting in october you want to go to the 8th oh that's when you said tml didn't you yes sir the second meeting october is the 15th the 15th yeah we can do maybe the second october might work out yeah better so in other words the october meeting will be tuesday the 15th the afternoon evening evening seven o'clock okay if someone wants to make a motion then that the first evening meeting will begin october 15 2 13. at 6 00 pm at 6 pm well let let's do five instead of six five o'clock yeah that way we'll get out at midnight instead of one and we'll run over into the next day see those who get off at five yeah those who get off at five will miss the pledge the prayer the you're speaking around why don't we just do it 5 30 yeah 5 30 yes okay 5 30 i'll move for 5 30. okay did you make a motion on that army did

[3:02:28] you move that that be 5 30 on october the 15th is our first evening meeting yes anybody second that i did okay any comment from council any comment from public motion has been made that our first evening city council meeting will be tuesday the 15th at 5 30 that there will not be a meeting on the first because we will be traveling all in favor say aye aye any opposed you did say october but we knew what you meant october tuesday the 15th evening council meeting 5 30 p.m all right i have it straight now okay i knew what you meant dwayne huh and nothing about the first because you mentioned the first yeah i think the first we decided not to have one didn't we no not a neither the evening meeting so it'd just be a regular meeting just our nine to six on the first okay okay okay so the first will remain the same the 15th will be at 5 30 until 2 30. i i think let me hear some eyes on me i think we need notification as to when we're meeting now i think you get all that alicia mayor yes i think it's that little black book that's messing with me messing with my little black book hit you upside down everybody's in favor say aye again if anybody's opposed say may 7-0 okay that takes care of the evening meeting now we have item number 20 which is announcements consideration of future agenda items i don't have a future gin item but and i wish the chief wouldn't have left did the tahoes just hit the hit the streets oh it's going to be a long we've got two batches of tahoes we've got some that were ordered a few months back or received some time back

[3:04:29] and they're probably hitting the streets as they get equipped the ones that you recently approved those orders have just been placed well yeah i knew the new ones weren't and i knew we had some in january because i i'm getting phone calls about them so i was wondering uh i i i saw one uh day before yesterday okay do we have any future agenda items anyone wants to add i'd like to put my asu thing on there maybe we have on the carts the resolution for that maybe we won't have if if we have let's do it this way if if we have more than 18 items then don't put it on there till the next one but anyone else don that's a given well somewhere along there it'll work itself in discussion items there's no other items i will entertain the motion to adjourn move will you adjourn second all in favor say aye aye aye no nays this meeting is adjourned it is 4 15.

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