San Angelo City Council 8-6-13 Part 1

[0:00:00] good morning it is time to get this meeting of the San Angelo city council started and we welcome you here it's good to see everyone uh let's start this morning with a prayer and I'll ask Michael Pfeiffer of the Catholic Diocese to come forward and if you would please her come start us in prayer and then we'll have our pledge your answer good morning sir same here sir let us pray kind gracious and loving God our Father as your people as your creatures we give you praise worship and glory and adoration which is our main responsibility here on Earth we thank you for the countless blessings that you bestow upon us that we take so much for granted and knowing that sometimes perhaps we've failed we seek your mercy your forgiveness and the new direction of the Holy Spirit so that we can accomplish your will and all that we do so we ask in the name of your son that you would pour out the spirit upon us today especially upon our mayor our Council all of our leaders fill them with wisdom with light inspiration guide them always with the spirit of Truth and Justice in all that they do and father as we pray for blessings upon them we pray for all the people of our beautiful community thank you for the blessings and we ask renewed blessings and especially help us to be conscious of our members our citizens who are less fortunate and especially we ask that you would blessed a good efforts of the United Way as we honor this Sunday praying for that

[0:02:04] special intention and the many many people that they serve especially the poor and the needy and father you know we need rain send down upon us those heavenly showers and we offer everything we do today in the name of your savior and ask that you fill us with your love and help us to share always that love with our neighbor we ask this in the name of Jesus Christ Our Lord amen and now as Paris Conley to come forward Paris is 12 years old and the daughter of employee Stephen Conley in the irrigation Horticulture supervisor supervisor in the Parks operation division and Paris is a seventh grader at Lee Middle School she's going to help us with the pledge this morning you ready one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all now the Texas the Texas flag I pledge allegiance today Texas one State under God one and indivisible thank you so much and now I am looking for Ricardo cartiho are you in the crowd sir I have a proclamation to read to you or is there anyone that is here to accept this Proclamation I'll just go ahead and read it and hand it to you and you can get it to him what this is is a proclamation and it's Joy to the city it's a back to school bash no Dropout Zone and it says Proclamation Joy to the city

[0:04:08] will host a back to school bash on Saturday August 17 213 at the river stage in San Angelo Texas and whereas Joy to the city's vision is to provide safe place for the Children and Youth of San Angelo so that they can grow healthy and have a bright future and to encourage our children to finish school and not end up in gangs and in a lifestyle of crime and extreme poverty and whereas in partnering with various organizations and local churches Joy to the city's back to school bash we'll let our communities Children and Youth know that their lives their future and education is important to us and we will be promoting San Angelo to be a no Dropout Zone and whereas the purpose of these Partnerships will provide a Grassroots support for local schools by encouraging local members of the community to make a commitment to support education Improvement throughout the year and whereas at the back to school bash event up to 1500 children will receive backpacks and with their families will enjoy a day of games Inflatables food music and lots of fun now therefore I Dwayne Morrison mayor of the city of San Angelo Texas on behalf of the city council do proclaim the 17th day of August 213 as back to school bash no Dropout Zone in San Angelo Texas and invite all caring individuals to join together to make their local schools better and to support this charitable effort thank you and you've already preached you've already spoken about United Way if you come forward I'll read you a proclamation sir I'm sorry I get out of line let's do the United Day of Prayer since you're here that's the one I had anyway I had the wrong one this is a United Day of Prayer it's to be accepted by Michael Pfeiffer the San Angelo diocese and the proclamation reads whereas the United Way of the Concho Valley's mission is to increase the organized capacity of people to care for one another and

[0:06:10] whereas the United Way of the Concho Valley has shown great initiative and enhanced the quality of life in the Concho Valley and whereas the United Way of the Concho Valley Works tirelessly to increased awareness of the needs of people in this community and strives to assist them through the services of its 17 member agencies that provide 17 programs now therefore I Dwayne Morrison mayor of the city of San Angelo Texas on behalf of the city council to hereby to clear Sunday August 11 213 as the day of community prayer for the success of this year's United Way campaign in the Concho Valley and urge all citizens to participate in this extra ordinary humanitarian effort well thank you good mayor and council members for this Proclamation the past 20 years I've asked the Mayors to Proclaim a day of prayer Sunday to ask God's protection and care and blessing upon our United Way efforts you mentioned the many agencies that benefit from this great effort so we thank you very much encourage all of our citizens to take part in this wonderful United effort that involves all of us uh I'm great I'm sure I speak for the United Way members when we say thank you and ask all people to pray I learned something years ago in theology we must work like everything depends on us but pray like everything depends on God because it does so God bless the United Way and thank you very much mayor I think thank you sir appreciate it and now it's time for the other United Way Proclamation and our last Petty

[0:08:14] bright Rider and Donna Bross to come forward to accept this one good morning have you been hi John this Proclamation is to the United Way and it reads the United Way of the Concho Valley's mission is to increase the organized capacity of people to care for one another and whereas the United Way of the Concho Valley believes that children hold a special place in our lives and that raising healthy happy children is the greatest accomplishment any Community can hope to achieve and whereas the United Way of the Concho Valley invokes all of the citizens of San Angelo to commit to ensuring that every child grows up in a safe and a nurturing environment inclusive of opportunity love and laughter now therefore I Dwayne Morrison mayor of the city of San Angelo Texas on behalf of the city council do hereby declare Saturday August 10 2013 as the United Way of the country Valley's children's day and urge all citizens to participate in this celebration of children and who would like to speak or both of you go ma'am we would like to thank the city council for this Proclamation it means the world to us it really does we would also like to invite everyone and encourage everyone to come out to the river stage this Saturday from nine o'clock until noon and join us for our kick off and for the children's talent show thank you Donna you on top I always want to talk I just ask you uh support the United Way at your workplaces this year and support the campaign and do come out to the talent show we're also going to have children's games and it's all free of charge again at the river stage from 9 to noon on Saturday thank you thank you

[0:10:42] for public comment the council takes public comment on all items in the regular agenda public input on a regular agenda item will be taken at its appropriate discussion public input on an item not on the agenda or consent agenda may be identified and requested for consideration by the council at this time the council May request an item to be placed on a future agenda or for a consent agenda to be moved to the regular agenda for public comment is there anyone in the public that would like it this time to come forward and speak about anything that is not on our agenda come on here Terry uh this is not the time this is on the agenda okay this is I'm just going to well let me introduce I am at first I'm Terry Campbell most of you know me I'm a retired senior citizen I'm a retired senior scientist and I am the uh a tax paying citizen of San Angelo in District 1 for Rodney over here is my German now I would like to just make a little short statement San Angelo has a major shortage of water but it's not due to the drought propaganda uh right now we have uh 12.4 percent of our capacity on all of our reservoirs and it's funny because we have had close to normal rainfall for the last year and a half but yet we only have 16 months of water left now after studying the text of the West Texas rainfall since 1940 to present we really should not have a shortage of water because we have had a gradual increase of rainfall but we have a a reduction in the inflow into our reservoirs and now this is because of many reasons one is well it's

[0:12:48] it's because of all of our farmers and agriculture people have become very efficient in their farmings where they're now terracing and stuff and retaining water and preventing it from running into our reservoirs along with we've got a salt Cedar and Mesquite that are sucking up water all over the place plus we've got an increased increasing Mandate of Soil and Water Conservation programs and mandated storm water management projects on any one of these by themselves is not a big deal but all of them together that is the reason why we are now short on water it's not because we're short on rain because if you go back for the last 40 years we actually have a little more rain it's been gradually increasing if you take a 10-year sliding average we've gradually increased but well normal what it says is our normal rainfall is not going to solve our problem we must find water elsewhere and if you like on I would like to speak on number 14 15 25 and 32 on the agenda when it comes up and if I could have your permission I've got I've got it on PowerPoint so what people can read it as I'm speaking thank you and God bless this proceeding and the city of San Angelo thank you anyone else care to speak something that is not on the agenda if you would come forward state your name and you've got five minutes sir five minutes good morning uh my name is Bill Pritchard an honored and privileged to be here today I just want to express my thanks to everyone on the June some of you probably remember on the June 18th meeting the Rio Vista Park project was uh approved to be renamed for the Jaime padron Memorial Park at that meeting Mr Silvis said that I spearheaded that and that's somewhat correct but that wouldn't have been

[0:14:52] possible without ever everyone's support here and I just want to say thank you first and foremost Mr Silvis without his assistance this this clearly would not have been possible Mr Valenzuela was very supportive of this thank you for that Mr White I spoke with him there he is thank you for your support on that and also also the Matt Baldwin with San Angelo Police Department he was a very assistant uh supportive and assisted me greatly in this project I don't live here anymore I'm assigned overseas due to my employment so it's very difficult to uh see a project like this through when you're not in the country much less in San Angelo so everybody came together and did the right thing and again I appreciate that I want to say thank you thank you Mr Patriot we appreciate that thank you anyone else care to speak to anything that is not on the agenda this is your opportunity if there's no one in the public is there anyone on the council that has anything that they want to add or pull or say yes ma'am want to give to our city manager and make a report on ports Plains annual board meeting that took place in Sonora recently and the annual meetings coming up in Amarillo October 1st and 2nd the ports to Plains Financial record was given it is in good report good form good shape and we had a report from the Texas Freight mobility plan protects us and it was a good conversation Duane if you'll give that to him to have a copy of that board report in what I call the manager's boardroom thank you Mr war dog I would like to pull an item or two later on but uh not not until we get to it okay I'll wait till we get to it very well later any other council members have anything they need to pull or talk

[0:16:55] about or state or this is your opportunity if not then it's time to consider the consent agenda if there if there are no problems with the consent agenda and the consent agenda would be items I will say that number 2A on the consent agenda has been moved to the regular agenda that's moved to number 11. so we have the consent agenda which will take us all the way through items nine one through nine with the exception of 2A if no one has a problem with the consent agenda I will entertain a motion to accept it Mr Mayor yes sir I did have one quick question on item uh 2B I assume that was a but a budgeted item we're talking about nine hundred thousand plus wanted to clarify you want to pull that one and talk about it if you could briefly just tell somebody tell me that it was a budgeted item Mr Dixon was that a budgeted item I'm happy if there be no other questions on the consent agenda I will entertain a motion to accept it I'll make a motion to accept the consent agenda as is with the exception of 2A that is to move to 11. Marty did you second yes sir Johnny made the motion Marty Essex has seconded any counsel any public input on the consent if not I'll call for the vote all of those in favor say aye aye any opposed said nay sent agenda passes by 7-0 vote which takes us to the public well the regular agenda starts with the executive and of course we will take care of the executive at lunch and I will read those at the time that we go into executive so we are ready for public hearing and comment this will be item number 10. this is a presentation on the friends of Fairmont master plan and consideration of the approval of any matters related there too this will be by the friends of the Fairmont board members and parks and direct creation director Mr Carl white yes sir good morning

[0:18:58] we'll give some background for this item but first I want to introduce three members who are present with the Fairmount Cemetery board and the friends of Fairmount they would like to speak first first of all Mrs Eva Horton president of the Fairmount Cemetery board next is Mrs Corey McGowan president of the friends of Fairmount and then Mrs Ann West vice president of the friends of Fairmont they have asked to uh speak first so I'll follow up with some more details after they speak very well and we welcome you ma'am thank you good morning my name is Eva Horton I'm the chairman of the board of directors at Fairmount Cemetery the governing board if I may I'd like to take a few minutes just to tell you a little bit about the cemetery's history while we're here today the many kinds of people who are buried there which to us reflect the character of the city that we live in today um in 1892 two councilmen just like you actually they were called aldermen then were instructed to find another place for a cemetery because the old Cemetery was already closed in by houses by residential area these two gentlemen found 22 Acres outside of town which is now Avenue N and that's where Fairmount Cemetery began sadly one of the Fairmont one of the councilman's wives was the first person buried in that Cemetery she died March of 1893 Elise Bond in 1897 when the city was unable to govern the cemetery any longer a organization called the San Angelo Cemetery Association took over 30 years later in 1930 that same Association deeded back to the city the

[0:21:02] the uh the Cemetery grounds the as they called it all real property which at that point was Now 52 Acres which is what it is today Fairmount serves as the final resting place for a cross-section of San Angelo of of residents who have lived here Cattlemen oilmen including the first driller the driller of the Santa Rita number one Ira Yates of the famous Yates oil field is buried there Architects contractors Builders of our city Oscar raffini is buried there benefactors of our town whose money now still supports the hospital and college scholarships The Shannons are buried there Robert known a car buried there Great Cooks great Caterers Saloon Keepers narcisse Stokes is buried there the famous caterer the statue in the middle of the cemetery the tall elegant gentleman is Tom McCloskey who owned the ArcLight Saloon why not the woman who thoughts Fort Concho should be preserved Genevieve Carson is buried there editors and Publishers Houston Hart and his wife are buried on the west side of the cemetery men who went to Washington to press for goodfella for our dams our reservoirs for highways MD Bryant and his wife are buried on the west side other notables would include Robert Massey as you know the names I'm saying are all just household names here in San Angelo and I think most of our newcomers don't realize that these were real people John nasworthy Lake nasworthy College Hills Bentwood or are all built on the original nasworthy Ranch Jack Mathis we brought they were able to bring his body back from Europe when he was killed in World War II and of course that's what our Airport's named after John rust who brought the telephone to

[0:23:05] San Angelo Edith grierson who's the first child born at Fort Concho and died at age 13 of typhoon typhoid fever is buried there Jack Jack Ingram who is a veteran of the battle of San Jacinto is buried there as a matter of fact we have veterans from every single War buried in at Fairmount Cemetery merch James Mills ball MD MB Pulliam John Arden Jonathan miles the streets and towns we drive through those have a reason for the name they are um a city exists because of its past its present and his future Fairmount in Fort Concho represent the past but we want to join the future Fairmont needs some attention I think it's past due I looked in the records of our history and first I thought the Gazebo which was built in 1911 was the last time Fairmont Cemetery got some serious attention but actually it was 1984. and that's when we move the the board move the exist the original front gate which was designed by the same person who designed the cactus hotel in a manual Episcopal church we had the board had that move to create a rear entrance so that was 1984 which was the last time any serious Improvement was made that doesn't count a new parking lot across the street by the office I know there are many many other issues that you're dealing with and that are demanding your attention but we the board the governing board of Fort Concho hope you'll give Fairmont Cemetery some thought addressing our requests especially the columbarium that they're going to talk about in a few minutes will give us an opportunity to take a huge step forward thank you thank you ma'am welcome ma'am

[0:25:09] good morning I am Cora McGowan and I am president of the friends of Fairmount I appreciate you giving us the time to speak today at this time I would like to read a statement prepared by Garen height who is a member of friends of Fairmount who could not be here today due to a family illness Garen is a registered architect specializing in the restoration of historic buildings for the past 40 years in 1997 Mr hike created and directed The Historic Texas Cemetery designation program at the Texas historical Commission in Austin Fairmount Cemetery received its historic designation in 1998. Mr Hite was involved in the restoration of over 1500 historic cemeteries before retiring to San Angelo in 2009. cemeteries are windows into the past places that are sacred and significant they are an important part of the individual and Collective history of a community and should be treated with reverence respect and care Benjamin Franklin once said show me your cemeteries and I will tell you what kind of people you have a community that does not care for protect and preserve the city's dead is diminished as a place for the living Fairmount is a unique historic outdoor resource for Tom Green County Citizens as well as tourists searching for information about their ancestors or individuals with an interest in learning about the past Tombstone tourists or Cemetery enthusiasts are a growing category of people interested in visiting burial sites because of their cultural and historical value people are realizing that cemeteries are not only historical Parks but are also archaeological lessons plus genealogical tours no visit to Mount Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge Massachusetts

[0:27:12] the first garden-like landscape cemetery in the United States provides their tourists with guides maps and audio tours they highlight the history people plants art and Wildlife found in the 175-acre cemetery in 2011 over 200 million people traveled to experience Texas spending 6.3 billion dollars in the process 70 percent of domestic visitation to Texas is for leisure visiting historical sites was a major tourist activity and certainly cemeteries contributed to this figure including Fairmount Cemetery continued efforts to preserve and enhance historic Fairmount Cemetery will certainly contribute to the increased visitation for future Generations in conclusion and on behalf of friends of Fairmount I thank you for your time and consideration today our organization feels strongly that Fairmount Cemetery is a real treasure hidden in San Angelo and belongs to all of San Angelo we ask that you recognize its value to our community Revere its history and help us to continue to honor those buried there thank you thank you Ms McGann welcome Ms West good morning my name is Anne West and I am here today representing friends of Fairmount more importantly I am part of friends of Fairmount because of fairmount's history and importance to our community actually that's why we're all here today friends of Fairmount was founded in 2005 because of a need the need to preserve Fairmount Cemetery however we are here today because of an opportunity the that being to create something special for our community an expanded role while

[0:29:15] preserving an important piece of our history our mission at friends of Fairmount is to enhance the Beauty and the role of Fairmount Cemetery its historic significance and strategic location within our community it is a piece of history and lore of our city a place of beauty rest and a place to learn who we were and Who We Are so our mission also includes developing an educational role for friends of Fairmount I mean for Fairmount Cemetery you have seen the vision in the past of our master plan you've heard of the history that is inextricably connected to our city let me give you just a little glimpse of the future by highlighting some of the things that are happening now I hope you will see the benefit of this proposal recently Duncan Knox an honor student at ASU engaged in a research project highlighting the lives and contributions of many of those buried at Fairmount Cemetery we hope to expand our scholarship funding research in the future in 2014 we are planning a walking historical tour in the cemetery with volunteers from several organizations in the community it will offer insight into a day in the life of our founders on November the 11th at 11 A.M over 1600 Flags will fly in Fairmount in honor of those who sacrificed for our country our annual Veterans Day celebration throughout the holiday season Christmas trees will be placed on grave sites and throughout the cemetery honoring those we have loved and lost this year we had 75 fifth graders from Port Canto Elementary that were treated to a walking historical tour Stone rubbings a scavenger hunt and a picnic lunch in the cemetery they were all they also learned Cemetery etiquette symbolism headstone symbolism and became acquainted with recognizable names of

[0:31:20] those buried in Fairmount our stones and Bones program is growing considerably we have numerous requests from other schools to be active in that also large American flags line the the entrance of Fairmount in observant of Memorial Day and saving our trees most important and dear to all of us luckily we are armed with knowledge from our landscape inventory plan and our master plan so that we can replant Fairmount with suitable more drought resistant trees and plants that will maintain and enhance the beauty of Fairmount we hope to make Fairmount a more active part in the lives of current Generations those who someday will stand here telling your history this is the future of Fairmount that we see we are committed to substantial fundraising for landscaping and visual enhancements within the cemetery and we feel through that and the support of phase one of our master plan we can ensure the lifespan and the future of historic Fairmount cemetery and we hope you support this Vision thank you very much thank you Miss West foreign moving forward I promise to move move fairly quickly but I want to touch on a few items to bring us into context particularly with a little bit of history of the master plan as was mentioned the friends of Fairmount was formed in 2005 in 2007 the friends of Fairmount held a charette which is basically bringing together folks who have different skills design skills landscape skills some good Vision to think about and brainstorm what the secretary could be and look like in the future that design charette was presented to City Council in the summer of 2009 a city council at that time directed staff and the friends of Fairmount to go back and develop a

[0:33:22] master plan for the cemetery at that time in 2009 we were in a recession the city couldn't afford to help fund the master plan so the friends of Fairmount on their own raised funds through grants and donations to hire Komatsu Architects to do the master plan that Master Plan was completed in June of 2012 and we presented that to City Council in July of 2012 which that plan was adopted so that brings us into context to why we're here today I'd like to talk about just basically generally the main improvements that are proposed in the master plan and in basically reverse order and Time in reverse order of kind of the timeline when these improvements could be done the the first is a Heritage Center here it's listed as a new multi-use building but we're at this point we're calling it a Heritage Center it could be used for receptions Services educational purposes it's a rental facility or folks can come together and uh do have different functions also that will include the Reconstruction of a maintenance facility our maintenance facility currently is located here in order to build the Heritage Center we would have to build a new maintenance facility to accommodate that space that is a long-term vision for the cemetery in terms of that Improvement other improvements that we think would enhance the cemetery are landscape improvements to the primary drives north and south and east and west including perhaps good drip irrigation for replanted trees to grow new trees new attractive trees and sustain those trees into the future that Landscaping also includes highlighting some different areas like a memorial triangle at this location which is near a good concentration of the veterans burials enhanced landscaping around the Saint Francis statue perhaps with a a water

[0:35:27] smart water feature also enhancing the existing gazebo which is a central feature of the cemetery perhaps with a grave locator so folks can come there to that Center at the Gazebo find a grave that they're looking for and go seek it at the cemetery new restrooms currently there's an old original storage shed at this location here we see the need to have some restrooms at this the cemetery to support services and folks who visit the cemetery we currently don't have that and then the two items that we would ask Council to consider moving forward with sooner rather than later are the main entrants re-establishing the main entrance and funding the column barrier we think the columb area is really the most important item we need to move forward with the columbarium is basically and I'll show some closer pictures here in a second but it's basically establishing a six separate structures where folks who have cremations in urns could be placed in those niches each space is called the niche with what we're proposing we would close this section of this road it's one of the nicest sections of the road it's not needed for transportation throughout the cemetery the central feature is a tree that's in the middle of the road we would the first phase would add two columbarium so that would give us the space I think 432 niches and then we could expand on that by adding two other sets of columbarium in that closed section of the road looking closer the first two items like I mentioned is a new entrance and the columbarium this is what the entrance looks like right now it's not real attractive and to be honest it's not real safe folks when they're exiting the cemetery they have to approach basically the road to be able to see both directions to Exit the cemetery

[0:37:30] the new new entrance is important for lots of different reasons one it would open up the the sight lines make it more safe to exit the cemetery but it also makes a statement it says this is Fairmont Cemetery the cemetery is important it is a place that we were that we Revere and that is important to visit and it's basically lets folks know that Fairmount cemetery is open for business the the common barrier we think is really significant for lots of reasons right now we are missing out on a good business opportunity to be a place for to to have cremations in our Cemetery right now if folks want to have cremations placed in our Cemetery they have to utilize a burial space we can put up to four urns into a burial space it's not an efficient use of space at all and really the general public can't participate in this unless they purchase a burial space building the column very creates the niches which makes it more economical for us and we could actually make money on the sale sale and the services of those Cremations right now the trend is is increasing quite rapidly in terms of cremations it's becoming more popular more acceptable to be cremated up to a 50 increase since 1996. right now we are not taking advantage of this opportunity here's a closer look of the columbarium each each structure would it as we've proposed here would have be nine spaces wide and four tall in three sections double-sided and then six structures as you notice we've we've got walkways around the columbarium benches seating for folks to visit here's a closer bird's eye view this is

[0:39:33] the first set of of the columbarium we would propose to construct and then this is a look at what what it would look like from the side now these are cost estimates to build all the different improvements that have been proposed in the master plan this shows all of those improvements but we want to focus in on the first two which we think are most important to proceed with first is the main entrance feature based on the cost designs Market contractors markups and just rounding it up we estimate that the cost of the main feature to be 250 000 dollars now the friends of Fairmount have committed to helping to fundraise for some of these improvements this would be one of the improvements that they could help fundraise for we believe it be more difficult to fundraiser for the columbarium because that is a revenue generating Improvement so they have committed to help raise funds primarily for this first phase it would be for the main entrance the column barrier the first set the first set of two we estimated it cost about three hundred sixteen thousand dollars so the first phase of the improvements where our targeted budget for those expenses is about six hundred thousand dollars that's our our fundraising goal now this shows you what some of the anticipated costs would be for these improvements and it's important to note the revenue we could generate from the sale of the niches the main entrance would have it's not a revenue producer it would it cost us a little bit in terms of replacement of light bulbs replacement landscape plants the columbarium would also have a maintenance cost again light bulbs and some landscaping materials but the revenue is significant we're not currently in the business of selling niches so we had to kind of do some good guesstimates on what how many we thought we could sell each year we believe we could sell an average of 24 niches a year and we

[0:41:37] surveyed lots of different cities in our surrounding area the price ranges four niches vary widely but if we compare ourselves to uh more importantly the older more traditional more important cemeteries in the cities and specifically are direct competition in San Angelo We believe We Could generate twenty five hundred dollars on average per Niche that includes the sale of the space the niche it also includes the service the opening closing of the niche as well as the sale of the plate that would go on the niche and its installation we would net on average twenty five hundred dollars so we would we estimate we would generate about sixty thousand dollars each year on average from the sale and services of those niches so we with that Revenue sixty thousand dollars we could do a lot of good at the cemetery we could increase the water budget for the cemetery we could put money aside for future improvements so we think it is important to consider these two improvements and I believe that is the basic part of the presentation I'd like to see something done on that Carl could you just flip back one slide please cost just leave it there Carl how much are the each spot going to sell for you show on here that you're going to make 2500 but how much is each spot going to sell for it really depends on the location we could have different rates for the placement of those niches and also we would uh perhaps through policy allow for more than one to be in there so if you had it's really just an average because if you put more than one in there it would be a reduced cost for the second ones but you're making more money on a single

[0:43:40] Niche so we averaged it out to um let's see about 1500 per space and then there's a cost for the services as well as for profit on the sale of the plates that go on them I'm not sure if I understood that is 1500 Above This 2500 well 1500 would be the average per space per Niche and then we would also make Revenue off the service of the opening closing of the niche and as well as uh from the the plate that would go on the niche so it's it's a three-part Revenue the sale of the niche the service and the the plate that would go on the niche and our closest competition in town this is right in line with what they're charging on average they're charging 2500 total for the niche the service and the plate but what I'm saying is you're saying we're going to make we're your words were that we're going to net 2500 but that's not net 2500 if you're saying you're going to have to create a plate you're going to have to pay someone to open and close it and then you're gonna have to service it that would be net what what I showed you 2500 would be the net okay so it's more than that each spot is going to sell right the fifteen hundred dollars is potentially for purchasing it but then you pay just like now you then you pay to open and close then you pay to so it's it's a three-part fee so you have to Clump all that together so okay which one once it builds upon it's a good bit above 2500 then the gross yes yes yes I just I just showed you the net okay and like I said it's right in line with our main competition town which is actually a little bit more than this what we show right right uh go ahead Yeah Carl if uh this Council chooses to approve stage one of the column area uh have you focused in on any money that would be available for us to utilize for this project do we have money to put towards this is that what you're identified some money

[0:45:43] that could be used not not City money the friends of Fairmont have committed to raise some monies to help support this as well I'm talking about City money no sir I have not identified that that's something that I have to be looked at through the budget or capital items Johnny yeah Carly I was just going to say that uh you know it sounds like it's been many many years that you know have gone by before any kind of improvements have been made to this Cemetery I'm all in favor I love the idea if if the folks want to contribute to the entrance the entry part of it that's great I just have uh I'm trying to educate myself on I'm looking at the draft budget for this uh coming year but what what does it mean when we're talking about 277 thousand dollars charges for service what what is that oh in terms of Revenue right well in terms of yeah revenues yes uh if you're looking at the budget that's it's probably Revenue we generate from the services the actual services that we facilitate and support so you average about 270 a year that come in right in terms of right Revenue and how many personnel do we have out there because we're looking at 200 and almost 30 000 for personnel six total okay yeah and that's something that we have actually reduced in the past few years if if you recall there were there were some combining that we did with operations department and then also in the office we had a reduction of staff you did say that the friends of Fairmont might be able to contribute money towards the entry part only the main entrance do you have any idea how much uh anybody it's really a question for them to answer but okay I think they've talked about maybe up to a hundred thousand dollars again I'm I'm all in favor on upgrades I think this is

[0:47:45] uh a a jewel for the city you know I know that it it is like going back in the Dark Ages when you drive up there and see the lab and all uh I don't know if we're jumping the gun because we we're we will be talking about Capital Improvement uh ideas later on but you know I think uh I I applaud the folks who are for bringing it up you know and I think it's been it's been long overdue and uh I certainly have your support on what you're trying to do and and look forward to to seeing if we can at least uh plant the seed whether it's the main interest or the the columbaria now we're talking about I saw on the slide is one of three is it three different ones or is it one or is it two a total of six okay six of them okay this is a bird's eye view and we're looking at putting putting them in in sets sets of two this would be the first set and then these would be for future so the phase one would be the main entrance and then one of these is that's correct yes one or two one set of two one set one set okay and then and then as you sell those I think the concept too was that you know those future ones then could be funded potentially by dollars set aside from this initial startup that gets us going for the next ones when is the last time any type of upgrade was done out there when is the yeah 1984. wow with the exception of a small parking area parking area irrigation improvements um and I think years ago we did some over seal coating of the streets but it's been very minor things friends of family may want to speak to this but I think they're ready to have some serious consideration of some improvements at the cemetery okay in the near future that's fair enough yes anyone else Charlotte uh when they presented this in July I

[0:49:49] believe of last year I was all for it then and in favor and we're at the same percent point and position that we were last year it needs to find the funds to fund it so I would like to see us in a our very first budget Workshop see if we could find some funds out of increased revenue from sales tax to start this phase one and move forward do we need a motion or something to give to tell you to make we don't need emotions any any further Council comment do we have a comment from the public anyone wish to comment on the Fairmont Fairmount then I suppose that this pretty well covers it I appreciate the presentation very professionally done and I I'm hope for you here I'd love to get these especially especially this Colin Berry I think it'll pay for itself so I suppose then with the approval we just need to talk about it at budget yes sir that is correct Johnny I just want to make sure the entrance the the picture that interest would it look pretty much like that is that this is conceptual it doesn't have to look exactly like this but it's pretty close it's what it would I mean I think that's fantastic so that's all I have thank you very much we appreciate it thank you Carl yes sir all right let's move on what time is it Anyway anybody want to take a break you want to keep rolling take a break let's take let's take about 10. 10 after 10. 1016 the meetings call back to order all right we're ready now for number 11. and this is the item that was on the consent that was pulled forward this is consideration awarding bid eso313 for the 13 Sealcoat project Brandon Paving Company out of Victoria in the amount of one million 710 000 authorizing city manager to execute a

[0:51:52] contract related documents substantially the attached form 20 city of San Angelo and Brandon Paving Company Mr Wolf Would You Walk us through this please sir well sir thank you good morning mayor and Council this is to award a bid for our annual Sealcoat project we do this every year this year we're actually doing more streets it's over 900 000 square yards of of asphalt what involves is spraying some oil or asphalt down the street and then laying a course of rock on top of that it's a preventative maintenance project whatever to keep the the lifespan of the streets increased this one we had advertised for bid in May 30th and June 6th and received bids into June um Brandon Paving was the lowest bid their bid came in at 1.787 million dollars we have also taken out a portion of that the pavement markings that was all bid out together with pavement markings but we have found that it's cheaper to do that in-house so we're taking out paper markings all together that still keeps them as the lower the lowest bidder anyway we've mailed bids out to several uh prospective bidders one of them was local Reese Albert of San Angelo and one in Bernard Mr T's asphalt paving neither one of them submitted bids for this project brain and Paving is out of Victoria and we recommend awarding the bid to them they are also the company that did the seal coating last year and we had great work from them great working relationship and expect nothing different this year too any Council consideration sure if they don't work for the city before this company they did last year and I think many many years ago they did a long time ago it's not the one that we had trouble with a couple of years ago thank you and that was that was about to be my question that was actually the

[0:53:54] next bidder so Johnny Tim and looking at the different areas of town the green and the red just for educational purposes is that what what area are you doing the the green streets were just the ones to differentiate those as ones that had striping on them which we've pulled out of that at all all of the striping out the temporary striping that's you can imagine them all being read now so a lot of these are residential or neighborhood streets correct uh are we not concentrating on the more travel the bigger Avenues the bigger last year we did primarily collector streets Sunset Jackson Street streets like that were collector streets this year we focused on the residential side there is Red Bluff Road which is more of a collector but uh Oxford maybe a collector too but other than that it's mostly residential yes sir Marty how do we pick the streets that receive it the uh a lot of it is just from experience personal experience division experience and then input from the public as people call in and they complain about certain streets that need sealcoating or need some type of Maintenance we go out and look at those and we have a large spreadsheet of a prioritized list if you will of all the streets that need a certain type of Maintenance and these were on the list for Sealcoat there was there were still quite a few more streets that we may be able to include with some of the contingency money in this but it's right now it's more a subjective approach to it we're looking at trying to implement a pavement assessment payment evaluation program whereas we'll have an objective assessment of all the streets in town and uh so even if somebody wants a street because they drive on it every day if it doesn't need maintenance we won't be spending dollars on that but right now it's it's more or less a subjective approach to it I do want to mention that Clinton Bailey

[0:55:57] uh of course before he left was looking at a seven year process basically for all the streets to make sure that we evaluate to determine which one of these seal code which ones needed asphalt overlay which ones need to be reconstructed and that's something that we do want to implement in the coming years at this point when we look at Sealcoat projects we want to make sure that we address those projects that are on the verge of perhaps needing extra help if assistance as far as repairs that we let them go too long so right now Sealcoat is just very preventative for those treats that really aren't in that bed of shape but it could be and we need to address them immediately all right we're also doing a Mill and overlay project which has already been awarded we just have not started construction yet that's doing a more heavily more heavy maintenance on certain streets too you know one one street that was brought to my attention afterward this came out was uh East Harris Avenue from Maine to Bell because a lot of the emergency Personnel used that road to cut across town and it is rough so it not being on the list is kind of you know disheartening but uh it is what it is but certainly keep in mind that that are that are our own folks use you know to to go and and help other folks so and and we do have some contingency money in this award too that if we find other streets along the way that we need to we can have them as necessary and I get all I I've gotten calls after he calls about Bell Street of course it's always right it's always there and uh you know when they talk about folks from out of town even making comments about that road it doesn't make us look good from what I understand Bell Street is on the uh Capital Improvements project list so it's up for Capital Money well keep in mind on the contingency on East Harris from Maine to uh to Bell Street so we'll do the Sealcoat process won't actually smooth anything out it's more of a preventative measure to keep water and

[0:57:58] moisture from penetrating the ground and the sub and the substructure so it really won't do anything to help smooth anything out and I believe East Harris was actually seal coated about three or four years ago so it's actually got probably a better seal on it right now than most of the roads in town so it won't the Sealcoat process won't make anything smoother so I just wanted to bring so you're just seeing the cracks on the roads is what that yeah it's basically just instead of us crack sealing in an individual crack we're actually coming over and doing the entire roadway at once so it's it's more of a sealing process not a smoothie so is gravel involved yes okay any other Council do we have comments from the public on this did you Terry okay if not I'll entertain a motion make a motion then we approve it we'll have a second Don okay we've we've got a motion and we've got a second and we've had discussion so all of those in favor please say aye aye any opposed nay motion passes that's a 7-0 vote that takes care of our seal coating let's go on now to Mr silvas's request this is number 12. this is discussion of residential water consumption on number of accounts using more than 50 000 gallons a month and Mr Dixon you have the floor sir all right let me find my presentation hmm Mr Mayor why he I think he does it let me just preface by saying that I know this was brought to my attention a number of months ago and I'm glad it we put it off from the last time because now we're a neighbor even more Dire Straits so it's pretty much to educate not only the public but ourselves as to what usage is happening out there and uh

[1:00:00] there's a concern you know whether we're taking some folks are taking advantage of a situation and uh you know I understand that they're trying to keep their properties uh looking the way they're looking but uh just to get a bigger picture of what truly is what type of com conservation mode are we in or are we not in oh we got the technical part out of the way anyway so we're good to go now I wanted to as request by Miss silver sweet I have some information went back through all of 2012 and and uh through June of 2013 where we're at right now on this and this is just a combined residential uh breakdown of information request of 50 000 gallons a month or more so we're just going to start through these slides and kind of go through these pretty quick won't take a whole lot of your time it's important to know as we go through these um January 2012 this is information we were in drought level one this is broke down 51 to 60 and on up through 91 to 100 and over 101 000 gallons a month this is just a the customer account that associated with these these volumes so I'm going to go through these pretty quick so if somebody has a question stop me and we'll go from there January um February winter time you don't expect too much we're still in in drought level one in the March it it picks up some but not anything real loud ordinary I don't think April's it may same thing we're still in drought level one

[1:02:01] June of 2012 you start getting in the summer you see more usage you know these these number of accounts may look alarm but have some more information that we'll get to a little bit later on in the in the presentation July 2012 now we're into drought level two not a lot of change going from drought level to Drought level August is still up and it starts going back down when you get in September and start getting back into in the winter months and the one I want to look at is is the total of of 2012. you get to 2012 you look at everything 51 to 6 000 you got 561 customers that used um that much on up through 61 73 24. a lot of that information when you look at kind of what that means overall in 2012 you know you think that's people are taking advantage of the system but if you look at in 2012 those people those 143 customers used above a hundred and one thousand gallons of water that's point zero four percent of our customer count it's a very minute number of people and all of 2012 um from 0 to 20 000 we have about 96 percent of the residential population that's the amount of water they use from zero to twenty thousand everything above that is is in you know single digit percentage and stuff like that you know you get the same thing when you when you get to 2013 we're still in let me get caught up here we're back to Drought level one in this January and February we we stay in

[1:04:04] drought level one until we get to June is when we Implement it's going on the July bills is when the building started you know and it's and it's even more when you get into the the amount of water that people are using our customers are doing everything that we've asked them to do as far as conservation goes you know we we couldn't be more pleased with that they are they are actually doing their part yeah we have some of these that or more than that you know that that might could help us but when you look at 2013 you look at the June totals it's even more you know we're up into the 98 range from people from zero to um to 20 000 you know that 101 000 and above for June is .01 percent of the customer account so um I'm real proud of the of the consumers of what they're doing for us and are trying to conserve our water yeah it's hurting revenues but we still have to have something to drink when the when this is all over with so that's kind of all I have on this this part of the presentation if if anybody has any questions on beating glad to try to answer that Johnny I I don't know if that kind of got what you were after a dozen and I was hoping to see the low numbers like that and sure enough it's there uh what about folks uh are we ticketing folks that are there any folks watering outside our our time zones that we're not allowed to water do you have any idea I'm I don't know Johnny code enforcement takes care of that and I'm sure there is I mean I see it everybody sees it you know that goes on that happened so I'm I'm quite sure that there's some people that are still stretching the ordinance and you know there's a lot of homes and a lot of very for them guys to cover so you know we're doing the best we can and I want to tell you that code enforcement

[1:06:06] has been addressing those type of issues over watering uh water 150 feet down the uh uh off the curb all those issues have been addressed and people are calling in and Reporting those situations of course we send code enforcement out there and they have been doing their job and they told me that more so than any time in the past they're doing more of that this year there's a lot of people really monitoring and even watching The Neighbors making sure that they're doing what's right everybody's reporting everybody so so surely we're seeing revenues go up as far as some of these 50 000 plus gallons users revenues are still going down but aren't they paying a certain yes they're they're paying they're paying a surcharge for the water that they use I mean it's broke down on that tiered right deal so yeah so if they use it they're going to pay for it they'd have to be an increase there that's what I'm saying if they're going past the 25 000 or whatever tier level is out there there's about to be some kind of a increase in in Revenue there is but it's such a small number of people that everybody else is is doing going above and beyond so okay it's affecting fair enough so any other comment from Council comment from the public this is just a discussion item but if anyone wants to weigh in on this this is your this is your opportunity thank you Miss Dixon let's move on to item number 13. this is discussion and possible action on awarding BMW u0613 for the 213 water line improvement contract number one to one of the following companies based on bids received from Darnell Construction LLC in the amount of one million 964 955.69 Housley Communications in San Angelo in the amount of one million three ninety nine two seven six forty and qro Max construction company out of Granite Shoals Texas in the amount of one

[1:08:09] million 344 648 and authorizing the city manager to execute said contract and substantially the attached form and any related document uh Mr Dixon and I believe this is one that we have brought back that's correct we are we are bringing this back for y'all's discussion and and action that y'all choose to do this we are still remake recommending the accepting a low bid from curro Mex Construction in the amount of 1 million 344 648 part of the capital uh Improvement program and is funded as such approximately 13 369 feet if cast iron Mains were replaced under the contract so that's kind of where we're at and I believe the discussion we had last time is that we wanted a local company and there was there was a problem there's not enough variants or what was the deal there Chief had to be within three percent of the actual um when we started looking at going with the local there are certain criteria that has to be met and has to be within three percent of the lowest bidder and this one is actually above that percentage which is actually at I believe a four percent a little bit higher than that yes um I was I was the one that brought that up and you know I I still think if there's any way that we can send can keep a million three plus in San Angelo that it's not going to do anything but help all of us um I'd like to make a motion to to kick all these out and and have them rebate hmm and you can definitely do that we have that Authority yes can we can we require that they have an office here I mean it's when someone is taking this amount of money out of San Angelo it would be nice that they have an office here that at least we could contact them if there was a problem good morning hi I did a legal opinion to city council through the city manager that talked

[1:10:12] about the requirements under the competitive bidding process and actually the major issue is the amount of the contract which doesn't allow us to afford local preference under the competitive bidding statute Roger Banks can certainly address an alternate bidding type of scenario which would allow local factors to be considered and so my recommendation and my legal opinion was if it would be to withdraw the bids if indeed you wish to go to an alternate method which would allow local factors to be considered Mr Banks yes sir uh there is an alternate method that has basically been changed in the last legislation that will allow a competitive seal proposal process for construction uh projects over a hundred thousand dollars uh that's a little different than what we're accustomed to we're accustomed to looking at a low bid in the validity of the company uh and their references and their quality of work so the competitive still probe process is almost identical for Public Works is what we use for the BRC when we did the remodeling there we are allowed to set different criteria for the selection including price and other relevant factors for the project which could be their experience in working in San Angelo as far as them actually being having a business in San Angelo I would discourage that part but you could weight some of the criteria so that we could select contractors that had done previous work uh in our city so that's a different process that would be new to us on the on the public work side of the house we've never used it for that but it is an option that we have a matter of fact now with the last changes like seven different options depending on the type of the project so you kind of have to look at the project of which ones we think would fit traditionally we've used the lowest responsible bitter approach and we can certainly make that change to

[1:12:15] do that it is a longer process because it uh it goes to a selection committee and you have to ask for a lot of documents to evaluate the biz the company and all that stuff so all those it is a longer process uh so that is one is as far as I'm concerned I'm sure the project managers were concerned that's not necessarily a benefit to the project if it takes us longer to get it to you for award uh the other downside of it might be that if you're looking at only folks that have done work in our community you're dealing with only contractors that you may have dealt with in the pasture not bringing in new newer contractors and that might be hungry for our work so that's kind of the pros and the cons as a purchasing manager I like wide open competition and save as many dollars as we can but that's certainly your prerogative if you'd like to see us rebuild this project under that ultimate method we can certainly give it give it a try and see how we come out thank you Mr Banks we do have a motion on the floor that we do away for these contracts and go out and rebid was that your motion is there a second Ole Miss anywhere okay we have a motion and we have a second that we throw these bibs out and that we go back and start over again mayor yes sir if I might I'd just like to add that a lot of times I've seen this happen in the past that you know you throw out bids and you go back and this may be the best bit that you're going to get so that's always a possibility I think when you look at it also I'm not going to say restricting to local bidders but I think you're limiting your ability to get competitive bids for the city and the citizen of San Angelo so I just that's my concern also I just wanted y'all to know that I like to see both sides of it Ricky excuse me mayor I have a question yes sir Ricky on the the approximate almost 14 000 feet of cast iron Mains being replaced where is that going to put us in uh as far as completing com completely renovating all the water

[1:14:17] lines where where would that have years and years and years and years down the road there's I can't remember I don't have that information available right now Johnny but there is still miles and miles and miles of cast iron Mains in town you know we deal with those daily and I can I'll be glad to provide you that information but I want to say 30 something thousand feet wow kind of is what comes back to my poor little brain but there's a bunch it won't get us anywhere close okay any other Marty I would just like to go on records saying I'm I'm very much in support of keeping everything we can local but uh System since a Project's bid it's it's uh to me would be pretty hard to rebid it because the numbers have been made public now so I I just don't see how you can do it in in come out with a with a fair Equitable bid to everyone now so anyone else shut up I too would like to keep the business in San Angelo certainly this amount of money in San Angelo for us however when you put something out for bid in good faith and you have people who submit a bid and there's work to Preparing a bid and you have folks that submit a bid and you're just going to throw them out that to me we take a risk in getting people to even want to work with this or do bids for us if we're going to treat them in that manner I do want to add also um we were fortunate this time around actually we started looking at the next closest bidder was about four percent off um again there's sometimes bits are just they they're very I mean you you could have had it about six hundred thousand dollars off of the next lowest you know and that's just the risk that we do run when we uh get away from actually the competitive process and focus more on uh

[1:16:20] the locals which I support 100 but we also have to be really cautious that we may lose out in the future of some of those better deals also better bids it might be that we could look at that process that Roger described for future bids and and award this one as submitted just an option I agree with that anyone else is there any is there any input from the public on this we'll take public comment at this time I've got a comment yes sir are we uh turning this down are we going to look at Maybe taking new bids but are we looking at another bit coming in say a dollar less than the lowest are we gonna look for that or is it gonna do you stand a chance of it being over at uh 1.9 million or what what is the idea there is what I'm trying to get there is a possibility of that where the amount actually comes in higher than the any of the bits that we currently received if we re-bid if we turn down these bids at this point and we rebid we could set the criteria as far as what we're looking for but again we always run that risk that it could come in higher than what we've seen at this point and kind of leaning towards Marty because he's he's definitely right now that even competition out there Don now knows numbers that's where I'm kind of iffy about well by the same token they could come in lower because those are out also and you know I I think with the uh approach that that Roger was talking about as far as is going through and and having some different criteria on this thing you know it it could help you know and if if it comes back the the same way it's the same way and and our local bidder didn't get the the price right but I just you know like I said before I just take to to see us send a million three outside of San Angelo if there's any way that we can can legally and logically keep it in San Angelo

[1:18:28] the motion has been made and seconded that we kick all three of these bids out and start all over again so that will be the that will be the vote so if you are interested in kicking these bids out and starting over again say aye all right hold up let's raise some hands we have two then those that are not willing to kick these beds say nay nay nay so we have one two three four five against two so it is nay now I need a second motion to approve this if someone so chooses move to approve I'll second that we have a motion and a second which one I'm sorry uh qro Max construction yes for one million three forty four six forty eight yes we have a motion and a second to approve qromax one million three forty four six forty eight any more discussion any public discussion all of those in favor of awarding the bid the qro max say aye aye aye any opposed name so we have two Nays and five five A's and two Nays so it does pass QR Max will have the have the award you know we're now the number 14 which is the Hickory whale field expansion I wonder if possibly we should not do 15 first and see where we come up with that because if 15 the outcome of 15 could affect the outcome of 14. so if does the council agree that maybe we ought to do 15 first does anybody care yes sir well uh excuse me I plan to make a motion to uh pull 14 from this agenda on the basis said it's premature and so I don't know if that makes any difference to anybody but give me directions you want to go 15

[1:20:33] first I'm fine with it Marty yes there's four let's go with 15 first and then depended upon what happens in 15 we can either pull 14 or go ahead with 14 at that time so let's go with number 15. this is discussion and possible action on the location of groundwater treatment facility for the Hickory water supply project and council member former has requested this be placed back on the agenda because we voted last meeting that it would be put on the at the at the water plant as planned so it's up to you man well where the discrepancy is as planned I maintain that the location was never approved or voted on uh it was pulled for discussion several times so there's two I've gone back and looked there's two meetings where it was on the agenda in the last four years and uh what was recommended there were two different locations that could be done and there were some of us that were opposed to having it in town what I have asked because I'm unclear I do not believe that it was ever presented by the tapes that I have reviewed and the minutes that I have reviewed the motion did not include the location the motion was minus the location and I just want to get it clear in there is if that motion is general that was made and covers everything that was in that packet when there were two locations that were discussed and talked about but that's what's unclear to me it is nothing to do with my wanting to slow down the project or stop the project I know we need water but if we had the option there in the locations that's what I wanted to look at and talk about and also that uh as was directed at last meeting it was

[1:22:35] stated that I'm the one who made the motion to put it there and I've gone back and looked at all of the records and I can assure you I did not make the motion and I did not second the motion that was made but it wasn't inclusive of the location of the plant it had everything else but the motion that was stated did not include the location of the plant now what I've asked Mr Dixon to do ask him what window he has while he can still get out there and get this done and hopefully we'll have water what I've asked him to do is if he could come up with approximately what it would cost to make it self-contained if you go back and you look at the corello report the folks in Farmington Missouri who have 12 of these Wells their units are self-contained meaning their need of the sewer Waters is built right in one location I wanted to put it in one location just outside the loop to have it self-contained the sewer for the water that is needed for the radioactive material therefore we would not bring radioactive hot water across the loop and into the city limits and in looking at what they do in Farmington Missouri they have it self-contained they have a little mini sewer plant right there at each well and I'm not an engineer and I don't understand this but I've asked Mr Dixon if he could take some time to come up with some numbers is to possibly what it would cost to self-contain e and I have talked to our Engineers about this and I'm not sure what all of them constituents that Farmington Missouri had in their Wastewater the main thing that we need so far is a disposal to the iron backwash off the iron filters so that's the issue I've talked to them they don't feel like a package plant so to speak or we relocated it um outside of the city limits would take

[1:24:37] care of that situation we'd still have to pump it to the wastewater treatment plant on that end now there are several things that uh we get into here when we when you talk about relocating this plant I'm not going to say it's it's not possible I'm just going to say there's going to be a tremendous delay in what's going on um some of the things that we came up with when looking at just on the deal of outside the loop it's not that far and it's still you know on the site where the transmission main would be you know we still have land Acquisitions easement survey geotechnically investigations all the environmental um right now we're bringing that water from the Hickory from the ground storage tank just this side of Eden by gravity and if we put a plant in line before it gets to town we're going to break the head on that system and then we're going to have to redevelop that to pump it the rest of the way into town so we're going to have to have another ground storage tank another burping facility to take care of that um we've got a problem the Wastewater off of the filters to the sewer plant from somewhere the loop location it's about four and a half miles we didn't have time in no exact location to get specific with dollar amounts and I know there's going to be dollar amounts associated with with this but of all the things that we come up with in in the scheduling and redoing and some redesign um best one come up with is two and a half years delay on this project if we move it and I don't I don't think that's specific to outside the loop or moving back to the well field um mayor Morrison is asking we moved out the Wastewater Plant would I have to pump it out there well

[1:26:39] we don't we don't have to pump the sewer out there it's out there but we now we've got to pump the water out there coming from the 30 then pump it back to town again so there's at this point in this in the game we're way too far down the road I can assure you that this we're on such a tight time frame right now with a little under 16 months of water that if everything goes perfect at a couple of months window to get this on and get water to the city any delays in this project the drought persists we're going to run out of water I don't know any other way to put it that's that's where we're at if we don't have the treatment plant we don't have the additional Wells we can't complete this on time the citizens of San Angelo are going to run out of water yeah there's risk associated with this project I think those risks were known from the very beginning when the water Advisory board and the city staff and everybody started looking at options for long-term water back in 2008 the city council presentation after the advice or at the advice of the water Advisory Board in 2008 we had looked and drilled Wells for looking for salt water out west to town there's some out there the Sands are so tight that the development of those Wells for municipal production there's it's not adequate you can't produce enough water the water water Advisory Board in 2008 said we highly recommend that we develop the Hickory as our long-term water supply Source in 2008. at that during that presentation they told everybody the radium levels in this water between 35 and 50 pikachuries per liter I mean those risks were known you know when we talk about the location the groundwater treatment plant or where it's at and how it got there I

[1:28:41] I'm not blaming anybody or pointing fingers or whatever but that decision although yes you're right I can't find it either Miss former I've got it but I've got it here also it's all those in favor of locating a plan in town say ah I can't find that anywhere but there's enough decisions made back then that I think the intent was clear okay what I'm saying is in the presentation that was given to us it suggests that there are two sites two locations and depending on whether we went with the ion exchange for the reverse I suppose this all of that was given to us and on page 11 it says two locations are considered for the groundwater treatment plant the Hickory Wells site or the city of San Angelo water treatment plant those are the two locations that were given several factors should be considered when evaluating the locations of the gwtf and the decision should be based on what is best for the city of San Angelo what I'm my argument has been is in the motion on that date the motion to approve the reverse osmosis test process as an alternative to the single-use ion exchange process a motion was made by councilman Alexander and seconded by Mr Silvis and motion carried 6-1 there was no mention in the motion period about which location we were going to take since two were presented that's correct that's what I want to get straight I'm not trying to sabotage slow anything down I'm just trying to get the records to reflect what actually happened and that is what actually happened and we need to get it in the records where we decide to go that's my point okay and and I agree that that that was the vote was never taken a fish down where it goes but same presentation you know our Engineers say we recommend the groundwater treatment place to be located surface water treatment plant had the pros and the cons of an operation cost Capital chemical Personnel all of those things in that

[1:30:45] same presentation there's I'm on August the 2nd I believe it was yes that and and my point being that Engineers recommended it the advisory water board recommended it well they're not elected as we are and if the record is needs to be reflect correctly what the council wanted out of that and it is it hasn't been okay okay Ricky very good yes sir let me ask you a couple of questions I understand that the treatment facility Can't Be Moved we don't want to close the gate after the cows out and and what from what what I understand is wrt uh in Missouri they actually treat uh the radium tank the radium out at each Wellhead versus one one large facility like we're we're shooting for okay is there any way that that we can use it that way and so the the treatment of the radium is done before it ever enters the the main pipeline coming to San Angelo and then we leave the the iron portion of it like you're talking about the treatment of that where it is no we need to take the iron out prior to the radium treatment the Iron Will Fail the media in the radium treatment process so we can't take the radium out and deal with iron when we get to town okay we need to take the iron out first and then deal with the radium okay that's great so I guess that the treatment that they have in Missouri they probably don't have the iron to do they may not I'm not familiar with their constituents and their water okay I know they're dealing with radium and so are a lot of other places I mean wrt has lots of these options out there I would like to add Charlotte red page

[1:32:49] 11 of the presentation that was made to us but on page 12 it said the results of the groundwater treatment facility location evaluation based on the following factors Capital cost o m cost operational efficiency treatment options we recommend that the groundwater treatment plant be located at the San Angelo water treatment plant that was the recommendation that was the the motion that was made that we go with the recommendation that was what was voted on and it was a 6-1 vote because I'm the one that voted against it I'm the one that brought it up because I wanted it at the whale field and I was knocked down by a 6-1 vote and I accept that because we work on a four vote we work on a four vote majority I didn't want it in San Angelo and I tried to get it I tried to get it somewhere else but Johnny I thought you went with me on one of those votes you're just refreshing my memory I think you were the soul okay one against it but I was the only one that was against putting it on the river and all six members of this Council voted to put it on the river just exactly as it was recommended by our facility that's on page 12 of a presentation that was made that every one of us watched and it's too late to back up it was a previous canceled but that previous Capital but I made that real clear it was a it was a it was a council it was a majority Council vote of the then setting Council and we've been dealing with this since 2008. you're exactly right and we've got a hundred million dollars worth of pipeline in the ground that if we don't build a treatment facility that is a hundred million dollars we have thrown away Mr Morrison respectfully I am not disagreeing or saying that we should move it that's not what the newspaper is not what I said that's what this item says it says action on the location of the groundwater treatment the Motions but the motion was to approve the reverse osmosis test as an alternate to single-use ion exchange

[1:34:53] process it doesn't specifically mention today we could simply someone could make a post motion that it stayed at the water treatment plant and that covers my objection well I could read what you said in that meeting but I'm not going to because it would serve no purpose but I've got your exact words of what you said in that meeting I'm not going to read it but we approved this by a 6-1 vote we did it in 2012 the decision is made the trigger has been pulled and there is no way to put the bullet back in the gun that's my opinion could I ask legal counsel if emotions that you would make should they be specific to the subject right they should be as presented and I'm looking at the minutes from the August 2nd meeting if um if relevant that um let me just read that to you and it was on the process while you're reading I decided the break we took a break that is when the discussion that totally against it but we could move forward and decide on the location at a later date when we never got back to it I'm just trying to clean up the record and I don't want the the statement that's in Emotion is that what's it is counseling tends to pass is that what you're asking I'm asking the motion that was made that was not specific to the location since two were presented and Council needed to make the decision there's nothing in the motion that says that the water treatment location was decided or voted on I'm not advocating at this date to move it I just want it straight I didn't make the motion I didn't second the motions and if any of you read Sunday's paper I

[1:36:55] got beat up for doing it and I didn't do that I'm trying to get the record straight that the location was not even in the motion the recommendation was in the presentation which said that we recommend that the gwtf be located at the treatment plan that was the recommendation in the background materials you're correct it's not in the motion and I do if I may miss mayor I do remember the vote now it's yeah I did second the motion and I remember the reason you voted against it was because specifically of the location now even though it's not in the wording I agree with you I agree with both of you it's it wasn't specific but I think in the conversation at the moment on August 2nd it was to place it there it it just happens it's not in the minutes specifically but that that is the main reason that Mr Morrison voted against it it was a six to one vote uh was because in the conversation we talked location it's not specific in the wording but that's exactly what happened and you're right Miss farmer it's not it doesn't say that well and the reason being is because of the erroneous accusation I have received tons of calls from several constituents of mine and in other locations that I had been talking campaigned voting against the location but you did vote for it you did make the motion no I didn't make the motion but yes I voted for it in my mind because we were going to discuss the location at a later date and it wasn't specific all I'm asking is that the record be correct and set straight if this Council wants to say make a motion today and put the location as Mr Morrison feels that it was intended I don't have a problem with that Mr Mayor is it really is there really a need to make a motion on this this is a done deal I mean we did it we did it last meeting the motion was made last meeting that we would put it at the

[1:38:57] water treatment plant and it was voted on and it took a 5-2 majority to put it there it's already been done now none of us liked this Charlotte none of us none of us agree the correction made that I did not make or make the second most fair enough back in August of that 11 and not last week okay well I think they can correct him let's move on yeah we got a lot of items let's go yeah I think we can beat this horse whatever okay now we're going back to item 14. uh Mr wardlaw has asked that we pull this I would like to discuss it I think it's pertinent I don't know that I'm going to vote for it but I would like to discuss it and have an opportunity and I need the rest of the council Fleming do you want to do you want to talk about it I want to hear what he's going to say about it Mr Marty Johnny I'd like to hear that that's four let's go number 14 is discussion and possible action including but not limited to awarding Via wu-0813 Hickory whale field expansion package number one to all say Incorporated Houston Texas for the construction of five six or seven whales be it amounts ranging from 6 million four twenty three seven hundred thirty thousand for five Wells to eight million seven twenty nine thousand for seven Wells authorizing staff to negotiate a contract and substantially the attached form and authorizing the city manager to execute said contract and any related documents Mr Dixon okay okay we did pretty good all right as mayor Morrison just read this is um discussion of possible action for the award of the expansion of the whale Fields right now we have nine existing um Wells on the Hickory and this proposal that we have bid out attached you'll see a map on the screen the base bid there is located

[1:41:01] on those with the two alternates that were bid as I stated earlier the nine Wells that we have are capable of delivering six million gallons a day if the drought does persist and and continues we are well there's not many guarantees in life but I guarantee we're going to run out of water if this keeps on and we don't have anything else the base bid is for the five there's alternative one which is well number 16 alternative two which is well number 22. it's also important to note and and you may not can see it real well on the screen but these yellow circles with the on the ground are kind of the location of wells and those little red boxes are nesting areas in areas that assessment have shown the presence of black cap vario our friendly little bird up there that's endangered species um kind of the way we have this laid out right now and like I say and I wish that was some other way but this has been a push push push push push since this thing started right now the nesting season ends mid-september if we can get this awarded we can possibly get the Drillers on site and start this process shortly thereafter in the September time frame um base bid is 365 days for substantial completion and then another 60 days after that if we drill six another 60 after that if we drill seven whales and I've taken this proposal to the water Advisory Board and on this proposal we are recommending that we drill six which is a base bid and add alternate one the reason one was chosen is because also in part of this bed is the improvements that will be necessary after the welds are completed

[1:43:04] which is all the piping and the roads and the power transmission to these sites to get it back to the distribution system that's already in place and well number 16 fits in with this real well because we're going to be piping from well 20 to well 12. so this is the most likely scenario I want to go over whoops well it seemed to be missing a slide but let me just let me go over it for you Ricky I think you have it in one of the other one of the other PowerPoints you had two of them that were submitted so that's all the one with the values on it there was there was two of them there was a bit there's a new elves right there there you go ah let's try this one okay that looks better kind of give you an update of where we're at on the budget to date we have spent 50s 57.5 million give or take committed on the projects as a reminder of the funds on the contracts that we now have in place for the engineering booster Pump Station the wellfield pipe I'm sorry the 30-inch transmission project in Sharyland um if you add on to that uh the award of the groundwater treatment facility as was awarded at the last council meeting where 103 901

[1:45:08] if we select the base bid of the five Wells and additional ad alternate one that's a total of seven million five hundred seventy one thousand when we estimated this in the beginning we had estimated um the base bit of five at seven point five million dollars so this gets us our base you know one additional well it's important to note that at 13 Wells you know we're still right in that nine million gallons a day number that we do if we do these 15 Wells that we're recommending that give us a couple extras if something happens we don't know we're just trying to build in some comfort that we we know if worst comes the worst nine million gallons a day will not be pretty in San Angelo but we think we can get by that's kind of the winter average we won't be doing uh any activities outside or watering or washing or or any of those things but we think we'll we'll just have something to drink for a limited time frame you know if we have to go to nine we can do that for about five years and we'll use up all our banked water but maybe in during that five years you know the good Lord will bless us with some rain or we can come up with some other alternatives so if we do that we still have one other project that's out on the ground or will be shortly we get a little further down and we start drilling Wells and kind of know what we're up against we have this 6.9 million dollar estimate to equip five of those Wells you know depending on bids come back maybe we can equip the sixth one too we don't have to you know that'll give us another backup something happens to well we have to go down that gives us some options thank you so estimated total at the Wells drill E6 and equip fives 14 a little over 14 million dollars and basically the that gets us to 118 million three hundred seventy three thousand dollars and some change we got about a million six left in the project

[1:47:13] of the 120 million dollars that we have borrowed from the Texas water development board out of this money that's left we still have some right-of-ways easement construction activities and damages to the Ford Ranch according to our water conveyance documents that we have with them we're also going to be if y'all so choose to award these Wells today and we start in September we're going to be right in the middle of their hunting season and it's a big deal in West Texas as everybody knows so we're not sure what that's going to boil down to but I have a letter in to that tries to see what impairment we're going to have on their ranching activity so Ricky the initial 120 million dollars was uh earmarked for six million gallons per per day that's correct and then again we had bids that came in much lower than we had anticipated so we had some savings there which that's right allowed us to go ahead and address a possible 9 million gallons per day then that's cool I'm very fortunate in the bids that we've received that we can go above and beyond the Six Million to nine million a day uh Charlotte's first okay Rodney Ricky can you tell me of the nine Wells that we currently have out there how many gallons per minute as each one of them tested out to be um no I can't but I have uh Mr seiford with LBG Guyton that's here with us today that can address some of those concerns and answer some of those questions if you would have allowed me to bring him up okay we don't know how many gallons per minute that that we each welcome yeah we have that information back from 1980 then when they were tested it at 500 and over 500 gallons a minute we have information on two of the whales in 2010 that were bumped at uh 500 and I think one of them was a little over 600 gallons a minute but we have not got all the pumps installed and done the 36 hour

[1:49:16] pumps test as required by the TCEQ so only two welds out of the nine have been tested recently yes ma'am John would you like to address it yes ma'am excuse me I'm John Seifer with LBG Guyton Associates for groundwater hydrologists and Engineers we are working as a subconsultant to Corolla in this effort and this type work is what we do every day okay in terms of the the wells all of the wells were tested when they were constructed in either between 1971 and 1975 they were pumped for at least 24 hours a standard test then there were six of the wells that were retested in 1980 and one of those Wells was pumped for 14 days all of those pumpings were at greater than 500 gallons a minute then it's somewhat of a check of the data the work that was done in 1980 if we had the map up we selected well six on the very East Side well nine on the very west side and pumped each one of those one at 500 gallons per minute the other one at 600 gallons per minute the performance of those wells in 19 and 2010 was just as good or a little better than it was in 1980. so they're capable of 500 gallons per minute for each one of the wells they can be equipped with 500 gallon per minute pumps and provide water at those rates um you're asking us to spend eight million dollars on Wells that have been out there for 40 years and not tested all of them tested that we know for sure that those are going to produce because I'm not real crazy about spending more

[1:51:18] money for more Wells if the ones we've got are not going to produce and you don't even have the test on them well we have the tests on them we have the tests from 1971 to 1975 when they were new and they ran tests we have the test from 1980 when six of the wells were retested and like I say one was tested for 14 days pumped for 14 days straight and the others were pumped each for 24 hours and then some that was repeated on Wells six and nine in 2010. with pumping at 500 GPM and at 600 GPM what's the significance of testing those two Wells why those two Wells the the test of those two Wells one was for water quality just to recheck the water quality in the well field radiological constituents General mineral constituents and so we tried to span the well field from the East side to the west side and selected those Wells and so they were tested and then there was also somewhat of a recheck of some of the testing that was done in 1980 and to see if there had been any change and there wasn't any change note noted I mean the aquifer was just as productive we got the same transmissivity results which is a measure of an aquifer's ability to transmit water those same results the performance of the wells in terms of drawdown were the same or a little less than what was measured in 1980. where was the water pumped well this this water was pumped and it was when they were originally tested in 1980 it was pumped and discharged to the ground and percolated into the ground for the test in 2010 the same thing was done Rodney I've got a totally different question

[1:53:21] from for Ricky is what is the capacity of that pipeline a day and with our wells that we have in place now that we're going to use how full will that will that place them without doing these Wells well I think full is is maybe not the right term but I know where you're coming from it's it's weld capable of over 10.7 million gallons a day because that's the maximum that we can produce off that whale field and it was sized accordingly for if we drill them on you see all these little blips on this deal all of these are wells there's 22 if we drill them all puff them all 500 gallons a minute it's a 30 inch transmission manual handling it will yes sir okay Don of my concerns is is the filtration process so we can get the water here can we take the radioactive isotopes out of it can we take the iron out of it can we get it to where it's it's good to go through our system yes sir what's the capability or the capacity of our infiltration system right now with with what's awarded is I think it's a little over 8 million gallons a day right now and there is a additional space in the facility to add additional trains to get to the full capacity of the wellfield Ricky one last question sorry go ahead um this has been asked to me before and some people have said that um why don't we use this money for some other things this money cannot be used for other things can it no sir project on specific okay thank you any other Council Johnny are we looking for a motion for this I'm to the point where I am for let me ask a quick question first before I make the motion but the 120

[1:55:25] million dollar loan are we already making payments on it or where are we on that that's correct we are uh and we will make those for the next 20 years that started right after it was awarded or when did it we start making payments on it last year last year it's the first payment okay well what one question Ricky if I may okay what if we just drilled three additional Wheels instead of six would there be a would there be a dramatic would there be a real savings would it be half of that if we went three instead of six and I understand the need for a backup but I don't want to get greedy with this either well it all comes down I don't know that there would be a significant savings I I just I can't answer that question you know they're they're coming here they're mobilizing we know there's going to be some savings so there should be some but we we get into a a quantity issue you know that's that's the main thing that I'm I'm dealing with I'm still looking at and I have to worst case scenario six million gallons so I mean I do want to add a course that we that started of course the uh as far as the dead service payments on that even if we don't drill these walls at this point we are going to continue the same level of Debt Service payment for the next 18 years and maybe at the tail end is when we uh we end up seeing those savings as far as years right anything that's left is reverse comes off the tail end going so regardless we'll have the same uh payment for the next it was only my pay 18 instead of 20 years Charlotte how much more money is it going to cost to get those other seven Wells cleaned brushed fixed and tested we have completed all of the requirements that the TCU given us right

[1:57:29] now except for the 36 hour pump test and the water quality analysis that they are requiring that is required on if it's a well it's 40 years old or if it's one of these that we're going to drill in the future we're setting the pumps right now and running electrical and that has to be done before we can do the 36 hour pump test we have done we have cleaned and reclaimed casings in Wells on that well field we've done everything that is we can do that anybody that could recommend we've done it to try to clean them and tests haven't been done sent to TCEQ test results we're all going to be submitted in one package we've re-videoed with all the narratives and all of that is submitted when the 36 hour pump test and the water quality data goes with it public comment I know the Public's got something to say this is your opportunity to go here I had a present I had a presentation here ago but there was one thing I didn't didn't realize that they had to filter the iron out first before they put it in okay so that kind of mutes that I've got some questions basically what is the cost item for item see us in the general public here we don't know and before San Angelo commits to pay one more Cent on this Hickory water deal we need some answers US general public guys or taxpayers that's paying all of this and I'd like to know what the cost is per acre I mean per thousand gallon uh what it's going to cost is coming all the way from the Hickory field to my spigot what

[1:59:32] is it we just don't know because everybody's been kind of keeping this a secret from US general public people uh another problem thing I've got is okay we have a judgment that was a 1997 judgment that restricts the amount of water we're allowed to take out of the Hickory now from if they have all nine Wells currently we have now if they can pump at 500 gallons a minute which must be tested at 750 gallons a minute per the teq regulations uh okay if they pump all nine at 500 gallons a minute within less than four years we are going to eat up our banked water and once we do that we're going to have to reduce the amount of water we can pump otherwise we're going to violate this 1997 judgment so my question is why should we drill more welds when we're not allowed to pump it to San Angelo it to me it just doesn't make sense to spend the money I'm sorry and that's basically all I have to say on it thank you Terry can you give us an answer on that Mr Dixon yes I can um let's start with um we have to pump it at a 750 gallon a minute rate same judgment that he talked about Hickory underground water district restricts us to 500 gallons per minute the tcq understands that and are okay with it so we can't pump at 750 we can only Pump It 500. if we pump the existing nine Wells six million gallons a day all we can get out

[2:01:35] of them we are good till 2026 we still have 850 acre feet of banked water at that point our allotted acre feet goes up to 10 000 acre feet so then we can go to 9 million gallons and then finally in 2036 go to 10.7 million gallons a day with another allotment that goes to 12 000 acre feet right now we're at 2750 acre feet a lot allowable water and we can Bank all of that that we don't use that changes in 2021 to 5 000 acre feet a year and and we can still we don't get to bank any water when we get to the maximum in 2036 or 12 000 acre feet a year our banking privileges are gone we can't Bank any more water after that so I think that answers that question um I'm sorry Mr Campbell what was the other question how much it costs per thousand yeah how much is a water coming from the Hickory okay f is going through all of the process moving the iron aluminum radium and putting it through the processary everybody's sticking at my house I don't I'm gonna have to go back from a previous Council presentation that we discussed this I know um the long-term service agreement with wrt's 59 cents a thousand that takes care of the the radium removal if you add in the capital and uh Michael can you help me what that number was if you tell this capital and everything five something five twenty nines 29. I think is what was previously spoken but that I mean I need to correct that right now I was working off of a capital Debt

[2:03:39] Service payment of 8.3 million dollars and that is actually 6.85 million I believe so that's going to come down a little bit but I don't have that right in front of me what that is working from the other way around the tree Mr Campbell when we passed we passed a rate increase to fund the Hickory project uh and its estimated operational costs that that number was a Debt Service component and a operational component the operational component provided by Mr Wilde at that time was two million dollars per year and so the total until that operational element changes we have built into the rates the 6.85 billion associated with Debt Service plus the two million dollars per year for operation which is pumping treatment pumping and treatment primarily maintenance and that kind of thing operational expenses yes sir well is that going to stay every month I'm not sure I understand the question so we can so we can record all this please thank you mayor good good point no my my uh my uh question was before because I remember off my bill all of a sudden went up for 14 and my question was is that 14 is going to stay there forever until we pay off the payoff the debt the 120 million that we currently have accrued for this project and you said we're paying I thought we were paying like uh eight and a half million a year is it seven point

[2:05:42] something instead now a million a year we're pregnant service The Debt Service portion is approximately 6.85 million 6.85 approximately 1.5 million of that is contributed by the Development Corporation okay so the net amount that the rate payers pay is 5.3 million in change plus the operational expense estimated operational expense of two million dollars which would bring us to 7.3 million and change that the rate payers pay through their water bill plus 1.5 million which comes from the Development Corporation which many of those rate payers pay through sales tax through sales tax okay so the so how much per thousand gallons wholesale is the water costing us here by by the time it gets through and it gets put into our distribution system to the uh to all of us customers out here and us taxpayers well that's a great question I'm going to ask Ricky to start around the the other way around the tree to answer that question if you don't mind okay thank you I can't give you an answer for that right now until I re-figure The Debt Service payment it was like 529 I think is what it was is 8.3 million so I might have to back some of that out but I'll be glad to provide that certainly one of the things that we've talked about is the capacity of the project affects the per thousand amount so uh when you take uh the the significant uh hurdles of the treatment plant and the pipeline and put those behind you then you have one cost per thousand at six million six million gallons per day when you take the marginal cost of those Wells and expand the capacity to 9 million gallons per day the cost of that extra 3 million on a per thousand basis is going to going to be dramatically lower than the cost of that first 6 billion because of the cost

[2:07:44] of the first six million includes the the hurdles of the the pipeline the storage tank and the treatment capacity and so the marginal cost of the the additional three million gallons per day is going to be lower on a per thousand basis or any per unit basis than it will be for that first six million I think that's intuitive but probably appropriate Charlotte has another question for you yes ma'am I'm sorry for the Inquisition but I do need to know I ask a question while ago about how much more money it was going to take to repair the seven uh Wells that needed to be done and you said y'all already done all of that you brushed and cleaned but I need to be more specific have we made all of the repairs that was required by TCEQ on all of those Wells that they required in February 2013. the only ones that I'm aware of and John was there for the video and so I might have to get some clarification I think there was some in in a video you know as best you can be in 2000 feet there were some some holes denoted extremely deep and I don't have that in front of me so I'm not real sure how deep they were but that may be impossible to repair just because of the pressure that you're dealing with at that depth did you just say making it impossible to repair I that's my understanding yes ma'am the pressures that you're dealing with are that deep you know you can Swedge a repair and a hole in a casing up closer but the deeper you go the more pressure is developed and tcq is requesting new video of the repairs made has that been sent to them that it will be included in the final package yes ma'am but all of those videos have been completed

[2:09:47] I just feel better about approving more Wells if we had that package completed before we committed more money done Ricky uh I'm a little concerned I guess about about our our treatment on getting the radium out okay so we're at 59 cents a thousand no matter how many thousand we send down down the pipeline that's correct and we have a contract with wrt for how long for that or 10-year contract okay have they ever done a pro project this large this many gallons there are I don't have yeah I do thank you I guess we could say a little prayer for some rain well I lost one I'll be right back just hold on one moment I apologize I got too many folders today and I guess you know to to verbalize my my biggest concern Ricky is you know if if we increase our volume make sure that we've got a good contract of where once we get into this stuff since they they are the only only ones that can do that that all of a sudden they don't say whoa we're doing 75 cents now yeah and I'm I'm trying to to find that as far as these in their proposal they sent a list

[2:11:52] of a hundred different locations where they do this and some of them were were pretty large they were kind of kind of a combined deal on individual Wells but when you look at the total gallons that they're trading that it was above what we're looking at um oh and I I don't have it with me but I'm I'm pretty sure and get it to you Don okay for sure but you've got a written contract that says for 10 years work 59. since and you feel comfortable yeah there's a minimum charge I think on that contract of 90 000 a year plus 59 cents a thousand and it's per however many thousand another thing I just come across you know there's some discussions of fires and explosions and whatever that I have the money material safety data sheets for this media that z88 that wrt provides that it's non-flammable non-explosive whether it's loaded or dry or wet or whatever so but I'll get you that information Don I can't find it in all of this stuff right now that's fine I like I said my main concern is you know it with us increasing I just didn't want them to up to Annie and want to make sure that we can take the radium out of out of more capacity than yeah I think we originally talked about Johnny yes sir I'd like to go ahead and make a motion and and the reason I'm making it is you know when I hear stories of even our neighbors to our West like the barn hearts out there that ran out of water a while back that's the last thing I want for our youth because you know in in 2036 I figured I'd be like 89 years old and I'd be pretty much gone but you know some of these younger folks that are coming behind us I like to go ahead and make a motion to award this bid uh for the five from five Wells to seven Wells if I'm

[2:13:55] saying it right in item 14 to the 8.7 29 million I'm saying that wrong our recommendation is for the base bit of five and add alternate one for the seven million five hundred and president exactly what I meant to say for item number 14. you'll be drinking Metamucil at 89. yes do I have a second we've got a motion I'll second it is there any other public comment no sir okay your turn yes sir got a couple questions state your name please Richard do you Rubble is San Angelo Texas um are there any you other users on the Hickory aquifer that we know about or are planned and since we had all this uh problem with her allotment to begin with do they have priority does anybody have priority on these uh and these uh allotments can we take this one at a time or do you want all the questions Ricky how do you want to handle them sir I'm gonna let John take this one he's more familiar with the permit holders and the other people that are on this so bear with us all right sir yes sir there are other permit holders for a hick water from the Hickory excuse me Hickory aquifer in Mason and McCullough counties most of them are irrigators they use that water for peanut irrigation the town of Brady obviously has a permit towns to the South have permits also so yes there are other permit holders for

[2:15:57] that water but pumping is not it nearly as high today as it was 15 years ago because of the cessation of the peanut Federal peanut program and therefore that usage is is way down also I might add in talking with the Hickory underground Water Conservation District our judgment that was spoke of later our our stuff is set I mean they know they understand it's been through the courts we're good on ours great questions if I may add to his question that was a good question sir but those other permitters they don't tap into our line is that correct no we cannot sell this order to anybody else's citizens of the San Angelo's Creek we're just got holds up her okay next question sir the second part of that question was do they have priority I can't answer that question I just know that ours is said so I don't know the priority dates on any of those permits okay the second what is the historical level of the aquifer has it gone up has it gone down uh based on you know we've had these Wells since 1970 and I guess all this is uh including possible recharge rates if everybody's in a drought it's not going to recharge either do we know that information well the first question has the water

[2:18:03] level declined in the aquifer and water levels have been measured in these wells in the Hickory well Fields since about 1972 73 74. and that water level has declined about 20 or 30 feet since that time realizing the static water level is about 460 or 70 feet below land surface and the aquifer that's being tapped is down at about 2200 feet so there's very significant large Artesian pressure with the water level only 476 feet below land surface in the aquifer much deeper so there's been a I'd call it a small decline 20 or 30 feet in the last approximately 40 years and those water levels are measured periodically by the Hickory underground Water Conservation District as they do for many other Wells within the district recharge to the aquifer it's an aquifer that's under study in that regard but the recharge occurs more to the east than in this immediate area this well field is in What's called the down dip part where it's it's much deeper but the the recharge does occur in that other area then the water moves slowly through the aquifer to areas of pumping and those areas of pumping have been the peanut farming area in The Brady area not so much in this area because there hasn't been pumping so the natural flow rate is very slow doesn't this recharge in the sand area at around Fredonia and the San Saba County area yes sir yes sir and east east of there where the Hickory is at land surface around the What's called

[2:20:07] the Llano uplift now the question Mr Robbins okay um if the level goes down for whatever reason maybe somebody decides that maybe peanuts weren't the good deal but there's a better deal to do something else and everybody starts pumping like crazy using their allotments if the level goes down can the city of San Angelo be cut off from our judgments of the court that I've read I don't believe so I don't uh yeah I don't think so John well and the other thing that's a good question part of that is we talked about water levels measured in 1971 to now and 20 or 30 feet of decline maybe going from 475 to 505 feet during that time period there was a significant irrigation to the East and the southeast and these water levels really didn't show an effect from that irrigation so even if it were to resume there would still be water here that could be pumped so that that existed the other thing that happened when that pumping declined significantly and it was in the range of 25 30 000 acre feet a year the water levels didn't rise in this well field area which shows that it's not you know close it's far enough away where it wasn't being affected by that and therefore this pumping wouldn't affect them when this pumping starts either John let me ask you a quick question Mr Mayor if I may while you're up there on his question of priority are there any other permitters with a 36 inch water

[2:22:09] lines coming out of that Hickory no sir in the the they issue the permits in in the permits are issued not so much on a priority first in time first in line but but what happens if that ever occurs in other districts if there has to be any cut back it's all on an equal basis you don't get cut back if if it's cut back four percent then normally everyone takes four percent it's not your last so you have to be cut back significantly more than anybody else but but this agreement is to my knowledge uh solid that the city has okay uh there's a lot of reports on the Hickory are there any dissenting reports that say that this uh this well field is not going to last until 2036. um are we do we have a a good quote unquote guarantee that this well is going to be these Wells can supply water for 10 years 15 years 20. can somebody give us a guesstimate that that is correct before we drill even more Wells there there haven't been dissenting reports on the viability of the Hickory as an aquifer the other thing I would say is that in these other areas that we talked about where they pumped large quantities for irrigation that was pumped for decades though aquifer continued to

[2:24:16] support that amount of pumping there's no indication that where this well field is that the conditions are any different you know there were studies done in the 70s and 80s about the longevity of this Supply and they were positive we haven't seen anything since then to change our opinion of the longevity of the well field Mr Roberts let's get permission from the council once normally we get five minutes okay and you've already had more than that yeah but I don't cancel one one more question that's one quick approval from the council canceled is it all right for him to keep with the questions is there a backup plan if the project is not approved by it at the TCEQ we have no indications that that we've dealt with or talked to the tcq that they would not have approved this project so okay I I got I can't guarantee it I'm sorry I can't do it any further comment from the public now's your time to speak if you have a question please come forward any further comment from the council what register I thought you were three what what depth are we drawing from or are we planning to draw from you know what the depth of those pumps were I mean it's a range five or six hundred the aquifers down at 2200 to 3000 feet and that's where the permeable Hickory

[2:26:20] Sandstone is located that's where the water comes from it flows laterally toward the well then it goes up the well board with the pump up here is operating and when excuse me the production is down at 2200 to 3 000 feet and it varies through the well field it's a thick sequence of about 300 feet of sandstone then the water will flow up the the cemented well casing to where a pump will be set at a depth of about 700 feet 700 750 feet to allow for future conditions and then it will pump water now from a depth of about 600 feet back to land surface into the pipeline to the pump station and then to the city okay sorry 3700 so if you just said 750 feet does that knock out the wheels that I have that are not that big you mean you've been providing some information that says that the Hickory Wells it'll provide water or 400 feet deep to go in and drill back down well no maybe that was some information where the because 450 feet is close to the static water level that has been measured in a number of the wells so maybe that was the static water level was 450 feet because the depths of all the wells the current Wells are in the 2200 to 2400 foot depth of level thank you sure anyone else all right we have a motion on the floor

[2:28:25] that we approve the additional Wells the motion has been seconded and I guess it's now time to call for the vote all of those in favor say aye aye aye aye Nate Nays or post nay nay okay let's see your show of hands for those it's in favor it's one two three four Nays motion passes four to three for the new wells it is 11 53 council do you want to do you want to go take lunch and get these executive items out of the way and come back or do you want to follow go a little further go to lunch okay we're gonna go to lunch then uh we've got three executive items which I will read and after we read these things we'll talk about a minute and see about how long it's going to take and then we'll give you a time at which we will be back because we've got many items left executive session under the provision of government code Title Five open government ethics subtitle a open government chapter 551 open meeting sub chapter D exceptions to requirements that meetings be open section 551071 to consult with attorney on pendy or contemplated litigation or settlement offer regarding property damage claim number g012154 number two item section 551072 to liberate the purchase exchange lease or value of real property regarding groundwater Supply options for the city including Valverde groundwater business and Industrial Park property and lake nesworthy property number three section 5510 074a1 to liberate the appointment employment evaluation reassignment duties discipline or dismissal of the city manager and I would just say that it's going to take an hour and a half because I think we'll probably talk 30 minutes on each one does anybody disagree you think it'll take longer how about if we say then we will be back in Open session at two o'clock

[2:30:29] everybody agree with that we will be back in Open session at two o'clock if we have not completed our executive after we finish the rest items we will go back into executive and finish then we are now closing the meeting out it's 11 55 to go to executive

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