San Angelo City Council 3-1-22

[0:00:00] welcome to our city council meeting this meeting is officially called to order we will start with our chaplain prayer and pledges so i see people here ready to gary and marcela come forward please good morning mayor and members of the council good morning everybody will you please join with me in prayer precious father in heaven in the name of jesus we bow before you the author and finisher of our faith to say thank you for this day we thank you for your grace and your mercy your lone suffering and patience and we thank you for your love and the guidance that you give us i pray for our city council and our mayor that we will conduct the business of this city in a way that will glorify you and that will be beneficial to all of the citizens of this city we pray father for wisdom we pray god for guidance for it is written the powers that be are ordained of you so this governmental body here in san angelo was ordained by you now let every member of this body do that which is pleasing in that site we also ask you father even though it's not in san angelo but we pray for the people of ukraine and that war will cease oh father in jesus name and that the people will be relieved of this great oppression we pray in the name of jesus that you help us to be the people of god you would have us to be in jesus name states amen america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all

[0:02:05] honor the texas one state under god one an individual would brian dunn please come forward and certainly if you have family here also becky and come forward please okay where they belong our chief brian dunn retired from the city of san angelo february 25th 2022 with 32 years of service brian was promoted to fire chief in january 2001 at the age of 33 and has served in the role for 21 years over the years brian has played a critical role in two gulf coast hurricane evacuations the flds crisis of moving approximately 500 women and children to shelter at the coliseum and fort concho in 2008 and the wildcat fire of 2011 that burned approximately 158 000 acres just outside san angelo city limits brian has remained dedicated to the fire department in its mission to provide the community the highest level of life safety and property conservation through training fire prevention emergency medical services fire suppression and emergency management his work ethic enhanced knowledge and unwavering passion have all furthered the city of san angelo brian's work history includes many accomplishments a few examples are establishing mutual aid agreements with

[0:04:09] goodfell air force base for firefighting and hazmat developing a paramedic training program with howard college reducing the city's fire rating from class 4 to class 1 resulting in insurance savings for the citizens in excess of 5 million dollars per year and bringing the texas state firefighter olympics to san angelo in 2009 and 2017. brian will be missed by many we wish to honor him for his service and congratulate him for this well-deserved retirement we are blessed to have had such a dedicated employee committed to the service of our great city for over three decades therefore i brenda gunter mayor the city of san angelo texas on behalf of the city council recognize and applaud brian dunn for his achievement and positive determination to make a difference in san angelo thank you brian [Applause] it's been an absolute pleasure working with chief dunn he does epitomize professionalism integrity and leadership uh in these past my nine and a half years we've worked very closely i feel very blessed to have done so he will be missed he's the he's a big part of the city family and i know brian made a joke about we had a ceremony for him on friday he said all the people that spoke but it seemed like he he was passing away and leaving us right but but that's not the case we know that he'll be around i know that at any time we need to reach out to him for some advice uh he'll be there because that's the kind of man he is

[0:06:11] uh brian i wish you the absolute best in your retirement god bless you i love you thank you thank you and becky's still in his office it's been my pleasure to serve the citizens of san angelo and lead the men and women of the san angelo fire department over the past 21 years i will miss a lot of the people if i don't get to see them and i'm sure i'll be in and out of council meetings with uh depending on what's going on around the city so it's not like i'm disappearing i'm just taking a rest so thank you [Applause] oh there you go yeah we will now open public comment issues or concerns not on the regular agenda may be raised by the public at this time citizens should speak from the podium address all comments to the dias begin by stating their name and address or single member district number and limit their remarks to less than three minutes do we have individuals who would like to add or come forward and offer public comment today

[0:08:19] scene none we will move into our consent agenda i'm going to start by asking each council member if they have an item that they would like to pull from the consent agenda i will start with larry karen lucy no ma'am harry no man tom nothing to pull tommy no ma'am with that me i have a motion for approval of the consent agenda so move so move by harry a second please larry has seconded that motion any public comment concerning the public i mean concerning the consent agenda seeing none we will take a vote all of those in favor of approving the consent agenda say aye with none opposed this motion this consent agenda passes seven zero we will move into the public hearing of an ordinance to outlie a outlaw abortion making san angelo sanctuary city for the unborn pub 6a is a public hearing of an ordinance as presented via petition by the initiating committee to outlaw abortion making san angelo sanctuary city for the unborn an action by the city council to adopt reject or amend the ordinance as presented in the petition julia you're on yes ma'am as outlined in the city charter and the initiating committee has followed the certain steps necessary and it is now time for the city council to hear public comment either for or against the ordinance as presented and then determine how to move forward and after that depending on what the council decides today will determine the next steps in the petition process right so do we start with a motion first or public comment first this is a public comment so um i would probably

[0:10:22] just have everybody speak first and then you could make a motion and are there are there individuals here today who would like to come forward and speak on this ordinance to outlaw outlaw abortion today if so please come forward i remind everyone to please state their name their smd area good morning my name is father lorenzo hatch i'm the rector of the cathedral san angelo texas 20 east beauregard i'm not sure what the smd number is but i rise today to ask that you please consider this initiative that has been brought to you by many of our citizens the right to life is guaranteed in our constitution and what kind of a society would we be if the most vulnerable aren't protected you as the elected officials have been given a sacred charge to see for the welfare of all of citizens and i would say that that the unborn is the the most vulnerable citizen of all and so i encourage you as as men and women who of integrity who have been given a due oath to support the constitution that you really consider well what we are asking you to do today thank you yes larry not the entirety of it just the summary see any problems with it not in this not in what i read in the summary anyone else like to come forward and offer a public comment

[0:12:34] paul sherrow i live at 307 north jackson and i preach for the south gate church of christ i'm also on the initiating committee for this ordinance and i would just like to say we've done everything you've asked us to do and we need to we need you to approve this and let's get on with the rest of our life uh but we're we're going to pursue this as far as it has to go but this is a right thing it's a holy thing it's a good thing and i think it helps a lot of people and you can we ask you humbly and politely please help us with this let's get this settled today thank you i have a question have you read the ordinance and it's entirety yes do you perceive any problems in this no it's been tried in other places and it's a lot of smarter people than me have looked at it studied it and thought about it and i see no problem with it i see a problem with not doing it but i see no problem with it any other thank you further public comment good morning my name is stephanie soha and i live at 3409 silver spur i'm in larry miller's district number six thank you i am from san angelo family from san angelo i love san angelo and its people i'm proud of san angelo and i just ask you to please keep us keep us a good city we love people we love babies we have a wonderful pregnancy help center we have wonderful churches that help and support pregnant girls we

[0:14:37] do anything we can for people we're very generous people we're loving people christian people please vote for this ordinance and yes i've read it and no problem no thank you question can a female get an abortion in this city today i don't believe so i don't believe so i don't know about chemical i just think that it sends a message that we support life and we need to stand for life thank you good morning good morning my name is jerry peters i am actually from martin not here in san angelo i'm the pro-life director for the diocese one of the human faults is procrastination now take for example pearl harbor was a lot of people lost because of procrastination there wasn't people didn't didn't look at the problems that were being caused there was a lot of bureaucracy and everything going on so lives were lost 9 11. there was a lot of things going on people weren't paying attention fbi and the ucia they weren't looking they weren't paying attention so there was a lot of lives lost now today things are going on there's a lot of political things going on lives can be lost because we're not

[0:16:41] paying attention we're saying oh well we can just put this off again procrastination one life being lost is one too many procrastination is not a good thing let's let's get this thing done and yes i've read this don't see a problem with it but let's get it passed one life lost is too many no we don't have an abortion here but that child can go somewhere else let's get this law passed so it they can't go anywhere else they can't get this we can get some laws passed let's get it done no more procrastination please thank you my name is lou mclemore and i live at 5702 grape creek road i've been a post abortion counselor in this city for almost a little bit more than 10 years and i can tell you firsthand of the devastation and destruction abortion will bring to women women and men we and you as the city city council members and mayor have a moral obligation to protect the defenseless and the innocent i assume you rather you rent for office to make this town a better place and make this better town for everybody but bring in opening the door for planned parenthood or any other abortion clinic to come in here is not making san angelo better there was no problem voting to make san angelo no kill zone for animals but why is it so hard to vote for life for little babies

[0:18:44] innocent defenseless ronald reagan said i've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born my prayer is for you guys i pray that god will soften your hearts and you make the right decision thank you good morning madam mayor council my name is john barrio i live at 2323 wilson street here in san angelo i've been asked by the petitioning committee to read an excerpt from a letter from the state attorney general ken paxton dated may 31st 2021 this is for the sake not only of the whole council city staff but also for the public who may not be privy to this letter it is addressed to the honorable james wesley hendricks united states district court for the northern district of texas relating to a query he had to the attorney general specifically it's addressing lubbock's ordinance which is the same ordinance with exception of city specificity that we seek to have passed today uh the paragraph is headed sb8 clarifies that lubbock's ordinance is not preempted specifically the quote from the attorney general and this is to address if i will i'll take attention here um this is to address some concerns that the state law did preempt what the uh cities were trying to do and vice versa specifically it is stated a statute may not be construed let me emphasize not be construed to restrict a political subdivision from relating from

[0:20:46] regulating or prohibiting abortion in any manner that is at least as stringent as the laws of this state unless the statute exp statute explicitly states that political subdivisions are prohibited from regulating or prohibiting abortion in the manner described by the statute essentially the attorney general was saying lubbock did just fine and they took theirs to the voters to pass is that correct that is correct that is correct and i was asked to read this on behalf of the petitioning committee and now i will set it aside and speak as a private citizen not related to the fact that i do hold a city board position you know from my previous public comments that i am certainly a pro-life individual before you is uh let me see i realize time is short but if you will indulge me wrap up your sentence please yes ma'am uh you have three options as a matter of public record and transparency i believe most of us would like to see you first vote on a motion for the adoption of the ordinance and if it fails then proceed with your other options thank you hi i'm kathy brown i reside at 35 west beauregard i just want to thank you all for serving i know it's not easy uh in your job um but um as before i've said in the word god tells us that he blesses and he curses and has a lot to do with our own actions and if the shedding of innocent blood brings a curse on this land

[0:22:48] i live here i don't want to curse on this land and we also have the option of that is the blessing and that blessing comes from the protection of the most innocent and so i just urge you um to allow god to touch your heart and [Music] to be a blessing to those who you represent there are so many christians this is a this is a christian city and we want you all to be a blessing to us and i do speak a blessing over each one of you that god would touch all thank you for what you do good morning um my name is daniel martinez i live in uh district three um try to keep this concise but uh i just wanna speak to three things y'all first off this morning is there was an article about this beforehand that labeled this as a showdown set for tuesday this isn't a showdown this is us starting wanting to work with y'all this is us being a city this is us coming together i hope that this ordinance is not a an end goal i hope that this ordinance is a starting point where we can come together we can work as a community as citizens as officials and that we can we can work together on this we can be a team secondly is that i look at this ordinance as preventative i work on vehicles so i'm going to speak from that aspect all of us here came in a vehicle today all of us here take those vehicles in for preventative maintenance because we take care of it we care about it it's useful to us how much more important is a life us being preventative we all know the heartbeat act has already been passed in texas and that gives men's coverage

[0:24:51] but how much more important is us as a city to be preventative already if something was to happen to that that our city can stand up and say listen we we are taking a step against this and the last thing that i really want to speak on is a challenge to you guys and to us i'm on the committee i'm part of this group i'm also part of the churches here in san angelo hold us accountable um this isn't just that we want this ordinance passed and we want our way this is a challenge to you guys if we say that we want this past and we want this to happen in our city hold us accountable hold us accountable as churches to come beside these women these families these babies to help to be a source of help i've seen the comments made you know what about the kids that are already here what about the kids it will be me as a father if i could take them all in and i could provide i would and i know countless people in this room that would and our churches are here for that our communities are here for that so i just asked that y'all consider all of those things when thinking about this ordinance and considering passing it that this is not again an end goal this is a step for us to work together and to come together and be a city that takes a stand thank you how you guys doing scott ferriss 106 east 42nd street here in san angelo i'm retired fireman had the privilege of serving san angelo for 24 years here and i enjoyed every minute of it i still miss you guys mr faces uh i just wanted to share a letter that was written from our state uh senators and representatives supporting this movement charles perry senator charles prairie led the way on this letter and it was given to the city council and it was addressed to the city mayors the city council members and the local officials how many city cities and mayors was that sent to

[0:26:53] i i cannot answer that i cannot answer that i'm just saying who it's addressed to yes ma'am uh the sanctuary city for the unborn ordinance outlaws abortion within city limits it declares abortion to be murder and protects municipalities from abortion providers setting up shop within their city's jurisdiction the ordinance does not defy federal law but enables cities to take bold action for life while remaining within the existent legal framework of roe versus wade the ordinance does not contradict the united states constitution rather the language is intentionally and carefully drafted to protect both tiny texans from abortion and cities from costly lawsuits since there is some immediate enforcement through civil liabilities the ordinance serves as an important deterrent to the abortion industry from moving into their jurisdictions importantly the ordinance does not penalize women who seek or undergo abortion but places the penalty on the party who deserves it most the abortionists and the industry profiting from the unjust procedures i thank y'all for what you do you got a hard job you got decisions to make you know and that's that's only in your heart that you can make those decisions i can't stand here and change your mind change your heart all we can do is plant those seeds and i hope and pray for each one of you thank you greetings my name is markley dixon director with right to life of east texas founder of the sanctuary cities for the unborn initiative been involved in all 44 cities in the united states have passed this ordinance to 40 in texas the two in nebraska and the two in ohio i'm also the only non-government actor that was sued in the lawsuit with the

[0:28:56] texas heartbeat act that went before the supreme court as you guys know by now that the sanctuary cities for the unborn ordinances paved the way for the texas heartbeat act we have seen great victories with the texas heartbeat act and the sanctuary cities for the unborn ordinances there are currently there's currently no litigation that's open regarding the sanctuary cities for the unborn ordinances planned parenthood's lawsuit is over they withdrew before the fifth circuit court of appeals in this ordinance it has the support it has the support of representatives and senators across the state of texas and the city of san angelo has received that letter what letter is that a letter from senators and representatives across the state of texas in support of these ordinances and who sent it i did and we did do an open records request we did not get the email that i sent you and so i decided to bring that email today it has documented here that i sent you this letter it says i sent you the letter it says i sent you the attorney general opinion and i do hope that you guys have read these letters that have the support of those that have passed the texas heartbeat act i hope that you guys have read the texas heartbeat act that supports cities passing these ordinances and i will go ahead and hand this over to you guys at this point there's also a letter here from jonathan f mitchell who represented me before the supreme court united states and uh he is saying that if he'll pass this

[0:30:58] ordinance that has been given to you guys he's willing to represent the city of san angelo at no cost city and taxpayers this is a matter of that yes ma'am i know that last year y'all passed you made a decision to pass a resolution in support of the right to life in the texas heartbeat act but even in that proclamation that was made there's no reference to the texas heartbeat act if you really believe the texas heartbeat act which i do not believe you have made a proclamation support of and i encourage you pass this ordinance and not go against the state of texas representatives senators and the attorney general and everyone in support of this ordinance thank you very much oh yes just a minute larry has a question or comment i know you've read this thing so i won't even ask you that do you see any problems with it not at all in fact this ordinance that you all have before y'all is virtually identical to several ordinances throughout the state of texas and the other cities that are doing that went to initiative process it's virtually identical to those the reason why there's some changes from like the lubbock ordinance is that the texas heartbeat act has been passed since then and that's something that really needs to be taken into consideration i was disappointed that at texas municipal league pointed to a opinion from olsen and olsen a law firm with ties to planned parenthood that was entertained in lubbock but the thing is the attorney general letter from paxton addresses of concerns in the texas heartbeat act really makes it clear that cities are on good solid ground for doing this i have a couple questions i have problems with on this ordinance first of all it says that the mother who would who aborts a child cannot be held liable in court i find that just an incredible leap

[0:33:02] [Music] well according to the laws of the state of texas and if you have a problem with that part of the ordinance you'd also have a problem with the texas heartbeat act and the prero statutes which criminalize abortion unless the life of the mother is in danger so the prero abortion statutes which have been on the books since before row [Music] they'd never penalized the woman seeking the abortion so this ordinance and the texas heartbeat act is completely consistent with not penalizing the mother that's just the way that our laws are in the state of texas next there's a essentially a bounty for people who identify folks as having a criminal abortion of ten thousand dollars i i personally don't like that that's reminds me of kgb quite frankly that uh you're identifying somebody and i think this could be problematic in even prosecuting anybody so i don't see any value in that one of the biggest problems i see with this is that you've outlined certain chemicals that are banned from use because they specifically abort a child but you allow a morning after pill i believe that's splitting hairs quite frankly because the intent of that just by the nature of its name is to deny a human life well i'd love to address those concerns one the ordinance does not have a bounty on the the mother who has the abortion she's exempt from from that so we're talking about the abortionists and the ones who are aiding and embedding the abortionists now the texas heartbeat act has the exact same provisions as the sanctuary cities for the unborn ordinances and so really this issue has already been addressed in the november 1st hearing before the supreme court united states

[0:35:05] and in fact many thought that the supreme court justices were going to take a stand against the texas heartbeat act because of some of their questioning about the enforcement mechanism and this is a very enforceable ordinance the aclu has said that this is enforceable and they're talking about this enforcement mechanism that we've seen at work here in texas the the way that's laid out that's how it works here in the state of texas so right now no abortions are taking place on a child with detectable heartbeat and it's because there's that private enforcement mechanism we saw the same thing in lubbock in lubbock abortions were taking place and that was in part because the city council when they first addressed the issue november 17th they had no abortions were taken place in lubbock and they chose not to pass the ordinance abortion started in that time period between when they voted and the election so april 15th planned parenthood started killing babies in lubbock april 19th was early voting may 1st was the election june 1st was when the ordinance went into effect since june 1st no abortions have taken place in the city of lubbock is that because the heartbeat act was passed during that time frame the heartbeat act went into effect september 1st and so what did that do to planned parenthood well no planned parenthood in the state of texas can perform abortions on a child with a textbook heartbeat but life begins at conception and so while the heartbeat act has cut down about half of the abortions in texas there's only one place that had an abortion facility where no abortions are taking place and that's lubbock that lubbock ordnance was successful

[0:37:09] in shutting down abortion entirely now the question that you had regarding the the abortion pill there's a lot of misunderstandings about the differences between ru 486 and the morning after pill emergency contraception plan b sometimes people lump all those together now plan b is what you get at walgreens walmart cvs the ordinance does not prohibit plan b merge contraception morning after bill what it prohibits is re-486 the abortion pill now i do believe that plan b could cause an abortion but the way that plan b is packaged marketed it says that it does not harm an existing pregnancy but on the back of the package it says that it could cause cause the fertilized egg to fail to implant to the wall which would be an abortion now plan b is not addressed by the ordinance we don't know when it causes an abortion when it doesn't that's very different from ru-486 so plan b could it cause an abortion yes but it's like shooting in a dark alley we don't know if it took a life or not with the abortion pill ru-486 we know for sure it causes an abortion and here in texas if you have a problem with that part of the ordinance then you'd have a problem with the ban on medication abortion by mail that we have and so this is an issue that the sanctuary city ordinance before you it's in line with the most recently passed laws in the state of texas and you guys have passed a resolution saying

[0:39:11] that you all support representatives and senators passing pro-life legislation so this is something that they have done and how much on board are y'all really with the governor the attorney general and the senators and representatives in the state of texas i disagree with it quite frankly i believe that life begins at that moment of conception whenever that occurs and in any steps you take to possibly abort that is criminal and i believe most of the people in this room will agree with that too but what you're suggesting in this ordinance is fine and dandy to do that and i think that is incredibly incorrect heinous unethical immoral yeah we do not support i personally do not support plan b i'm just saying we do not know when someone uses plan b we don't know when a murder has a cause that's caught has come effect or not just because we don't know when an abortion's caused by plan b and when it's not caused the abortion pill is completely different story the abortion pill is what is given in abortion facilities it's what's uh now we're seeing abortion pill by mail all across the united states and the biden administration's desire to make abortion access in every zip code it really does boil down to the deregulation of ru-486 and so that's what this ordinance addresses it addresses abortion pill by mail it addresses re-486 and the the possession of that the discretion of that completely criminal let's take a little different direction i notice in here that some therapeutic things could be deemed illegal and immoral in the case of what's uh nicknamed the dnc

[0:41:15] you don't know if the person is pregnant at that particular moment but you and this ordinance say that that's specifically illegal could you explain that to me please well at dnc when that is performed that is performed knowing that there is a child there and so that is necessarily so in the case of a rape a young lady going into the hospital here who's undergone two of the most egregious things that can be done to a human being the rape and then being pawed over by policemen trying to get evidence and the third thing is you can't have a dnc even though there's there's uh i mean it's up in the air only god knows whether his conception has actually occurred and yet you're denying that to that victim this ordinance does not outlaw plan b and plan b is what's in a rape kit and so we're not addressing this doesn't address plan b and so i just don't see the relevancy of that that question this when when someone is raped and there's a rape kit uh they go to the hospital to get a ripe kit that plan b is in there and so even though i do not support plan b plan b is in there and so that's for those who do support the idea of using plan b that's not something that's addressed by this ordinance so if someone has is pregnant and the baby has no heartbeat basically dead this abortion pill is as a choice given to the mother well

[0:43:17] the way that abortion is defined in the ordinance is that it is the intentional killing of an unborn child if the unborn child is dead then that doesn't prevent that child being removed that the the dead child being removed from the body that's not a crime that standard procedure this is about not killing unborn children made in the image of god but if the ordinance makes it negative if you do that it doesn't make exceptions for that yeah is that correct or not correct if you'd rephrase that question just make sure so my my question is does the ordinance outlaw if you will use of the abortion pill the abortion pill when you go to an abortion facility and they give you ru-486 it's two drugs when they give you that it's because there is a a child there that they're trying to end that child's life and flush that child out and so if that child is already passed then the way that child's removed and even though some of that medication may be used for that that medication's not being used on a child that is alive that medications being used on child which has passed and that this ordinance is clear that we're not talking about the removal of a child that has passed away in fact specify that in terms of use of that pill absolutely so ordinance is very clear

[0:45:20] even talks about how we're not talking about miscarriages we're not talking about any of that kind of stuff and so it is not removing a child that has passed away in the mother's womb that's not a crime according to this disordence what the crime is is killing an unborn child made in the image of god yes tom so let me ask some questions here mr jason talk to me about the enforcement i'd love to so let me let me just go there can this be enforced if roe and roe versus wade is not overturned technically it could um the way that the ordinance is written it says that this can there's a public enforcement and there's a private enforcement the public enforcement is and that's by the the city government the city cannot enforce this unless certain things take place now the overturning of roe v wade is just one of those possibilities if a court were to issue a judgment that says that this the implement implementing the fines the penalties of this ordinance would not create an undue burden for the woman seeking the abortion then the city we don't penalize the woman getting abortion right the penalty would be for the abortionists of those aiding and betting the abortionists but it still goes back to the uh so pardon interruption right on this ordinance this takes it down to a ten thousand i mean a two thousand dollar fine instead of the state regulated ten thousand dollar fine in that correct so this ordinance is in line with all the laws of the state of texas the most that a city government can do for violation of health and safety is two thousand dollars so that's the state

[0:47:22] fine right now is what ten thousand thousand so there's a big change or a discount going from the existing law to this ordinance correct well the way this is written this is written for city according to city law now so the penalties of the city is what we're talking about there now as far as the enforcement goes the private enforcement is immediate and the aclu has admitted to this in a little fund versus the city of wasco and they said that this this ordinance the wasco ordinance is immediately enforceable and so if the aclu is saying that this ordinance is immediately enforceable specifically seeking speaking of the private enforcement mechanism then you can you know bet that it's immediately enforceable and so the way what's the private i mean i'm getting lost so what's the private enforcement mechanism and teresa i'm going to need your help here so the private enforcement mechanism is the city is creating a private cause of action which allows these citizens to if an abortion is performed in the city of san angelo then the citizens can file a lawsuit on the abortionists and anyone who aids and abets the abortionist for the death of the unborn child that citizen would have to have proof of the abortion through either here's i mean so here i mean is this thing not 20 years retroactive versus roe versus white i mean from the overturned does it not go back and say for a period of up to 20 years so this ordinance the way it's written is there's no statute of limitations so if this ordinance were to be passed today and abortion was performed tomorrow even so the citizens could file a lawsuit against the abortionists but the city later on if roe v wade's overturned could file a lawsuit as well because the

[0:49:24] law would be broken during a time in which the ordinance was enacted so if a woman left this city in the state of texas to have an abortion then what well it would be against the law for an abortion to be performed on a san angelo resident so if that citizen goes to new mexico and has an abortion then this ordinance would penalize her or if someone claimed wouldn't penalize her it would penalize the one who killed her innocent child but if that doctor is in new mexico where abortion is legal how do you do that well abortion here you know we have laws all across our state um councilman uh if you were to order ammo and you were in new orleans louisiana and you were trying to get ammo shipped to you couldn't happen because it's against the law to ship ammo into new orleans louisiana same thing applies with the abortion pill if this ordinance passes it's against the law for the abortion pill to be shipped here and likewise it would be against the law for an abortion to be performed on a san angelo resident wherever they are whether that be san angelo texas or dallas texas or washington dc or new york new york that the killing of an innocent child made in the image of god is not something that should be allowed on any san angelo resident that's what this ordinance says isn't that already in effect right now with the heartbeat law not at all explain that to me that this is better than the existing law so the texas heartbeat act and i'm fond of both i'm very fond of both right have a relationship with both of them so right now what's happened

[0:51:26] abortion rates have dropped dramatically in texas but people are going outside the state of texas to get an abortion the abortion facility in shreveport louisiana so how many lawsuits have been filed based off of that based on abortions have dropped in texas by 60 percent but in oklahoma they've picked up by 70 percent has there been any lawsuits filed on any individual based off of that information so the texas heartbeat act does not penalize those who are leaving the state of texas for an abortion and so those who are going to louisiana right now the texas heartbeat act does not address that issue it only addresses within the boundaries of texas so in essence this ordinance would be an ordinance that you as a citizen if you left the state of texas it still follows you wherever you go it's about san angelo residents so no san angelo resident could have an abortion could not be performed on a san angelo resident and it's really specific to those are unborn children made in the image of god and we've got to protect those lives if you live in mertzen or crustoval or grape creek or eden it doesn't apply it's bound by the city limits correct the city ordinance it's a city ordinance however the private enforcement mechanism so if an abortion was performed on a san angelo resident in eden then i'm asking about an eden resident oh yeah in eden residents this is very specific as tom said to our city limits yeah so so eden residents are not bound by this ordinance you all only have the ability to pass laws for at yale city and those who live within

[0:53:31] yell city limits it goes back to jurisdiction now if i went to arizona and i killed a person who was from texas the jurisdiction would be the folks in arizona would prosecute me i don't see how how this fits in with a logical sense of judicionary power to prosecute somebody for an act that happened in another another area i just don't get that so if we have an american citizen killed by a terrorist overseas we have the jurisdiction to go over there and take care of that situation and so the similar rule would apply here would you like to talk yes teresa would you like to add comment yeah i mean i want to point to um well there's a couple of sections actually that are kind of relevant the first section under the abortion prohibited does say the section does not prohibit referring a patient to have an abortion which takes place outside the city limits so you can still refer someone to have an abortion outside the city limits there's also a provision that says neither the city of san angelo nor any officers or employees nor any district or county attorney or any executive or administrative officer or employee of any state or local government entity may impose or threaten to impose a penalty unless roe v wade or those other things we talked about happen so as of today those things haven't happened so there's nobody including the district attorney who could prosecute this this is a significantly different ordinance from what was passed in lubbock and i do believe it's in response to the heartbeat act but i think there's also been changes from what was proposed to us in the fall that you guys decided not to pass one of those things is the original ordinance allowed us to have some ability to enforce this this particular version of the ordinance takes all ability of city officials to enforce this ordinance away our only

[0:55:34] recourse is to refer it to the district attorney to enforce and again that provision says she doesn't have the authority to enforce it either unless those things happen and then as far as jurisdiction i mean i understand the federal government has long arms of jurisdiction but city's arms really reach only to the ends of our city limits so i know of absolutely no authority that would allow us to prosecute somebody for happening in new mexico and there's a provision in the ordinance that does say the section may not be construed to prohibit conduct that the city of san angelo is forbidden to prohibit or regulate under state or federal law so i think under both and state and federal law we are prohibited from regulating activity that takes place in another city outside our city limits or in another state so i think on its face the ordinance contradicts what was said regarding our ability to prosecute somebody for something that doesn't happen here i have a question yes karen and it's an easy one after all of the legal debate i'm curious you you said this uh has passed in 44 cities is that correct so the sanctuary city for the onboard ordinance has passed in 44 cities i would like to know how many of those were passed by proclamation from a city council and how many went to a public vote i would love to let you know that information so all the cities except for lubbock passed by their mayor and city council and he said proclamation not ordinance oh are you talking about an ordinance or like an ordinance outlaw abortion are you talking about our statutes by ordinance and most cities do as well okay my mistake language so 43 cities have passed through their mayor and city council and only one lubbock has passed through a vote of the people and the reason that they were passed through mayor and council

[0:57:36] the majority that we have heard as far as the reason reasoning is that they were elected to represent the people and that they wanted to they saw this as a no-brainer issue just like any other issue that they were addressing how many of these cities um passed a sanctuary city thing before the heartbeat gap was passed actually the uh quite a bit we had um over half so so lubbock was number 26 and the heartbeat act had not uh had not been enacted at that point and so uh it was it was it went into effect to believe that month if i'm not mistaken i mean it when it was passed that month i believe but it didn't go to effect until september 1. so most of these cities passed the sanctuary law before the heartbeat act was passed absolutely in fact as i said earlier that the sanctuary city ordinances paved the way for the texas heartbeat act for the questions from council for mark another thing too on something that she had mentioned the severability clauses it they're they're in there for a reason and if there is one part of this that the court disagreed with it wouldn't um annihilate the rest of the the ordinance it would just annihilate that one one part and so and that that gives a lot of of cover for the ordinance as well for the public comment if so please come forward thank you everybody but uh uh mrs smith name please and ryan buck i live at one zero zero four two uh floyd lane in san

[0:59:40] angelo texas i'm very grateful all the council members are here today i am also grateful for your inquiries and questions today um i i wish we would have had those inquiries and questions months ago we began to come i also hope you've all read the ordinance i've read it on more than one occasion and i do not have any problems with it personally but i i just have a couple quick things to say we came to you with thousands of individuals from across the county not just the city who were wanting this ordinance we came to you and asked for you to pass it it was sent to you back in the summer [Music] i did file the open records request and there was a lot of information that we didn't receive from that i think there were probably less than two or three hundred documents we did the same thing in abilene i didn't they did and they got over four thousand documents i'm curious why that was the case but we came to you and asked you to pass it but you said no you said you weren't going to do it you had the opportunity to put it on the ballot but you said you weren't going to do that our mayor said more than once we're going to do it the way of lubbock and said we said okay we'll go the way of lubbock we did the referendum and we got the signatures uh whenever lubbock got their signatures certified the city council had a public hearing schedule within 14 days the city of san angelo city council and the mayor have drugged their feet over a month i don't understand why i saw a memo and that open records request saying there'd be more voters in november and i think there probably will be we just asked uh on behalf of the thousands of citizens of this of san angelo texas uh that know about the ordinance have read the summaries many have read the actual ordinance we ask that you vote on this ordinance today vote for what you think is best for san angelo if you've got problems with it don't vote for it but don't think the

[1:01:43] vote is just to send it to the ballot you're making a statement yourselves our representative san angelo on where you stand on this issue of life and i know that might feel uncomfortable for me to say or for you to hear from me to say but that's just where we are the citizens that have been working this process feel like there's been pushback that's why we haven't got questions you know months ago when we were coming inquiries ask those inquiries no no and i've never had any inquiry of me i've never had anyone reach out to the initiating committee with these questions or even at the public council meetings so we just ask that you please take this vote it up and down thank you very much my name is denise barber and i live in single member district 5. i believe we have an obligation to examine all aspects of the ordinance the sanctuary city for the unborn initiative or sometimes called movement is the reason for this ordinance i believe that there are citizens that support life but at the same time they have concerns with the development of the ordinance ordinance the concerns that i have about the ordinance development is that past public statements that do not reflect our city our diverse population and our diverse religious churches and i've had um time that i've discussed this with my own bishop most notably um is the referencing of abortion to the holocaust

[1:03:48] and i have the article as sanctuary city for the unborn movements for us to west texas in it it is stated abortion is comparable to the holocaust it is the civil rights of our day i am so thankful for the chaplain that prayed for ukraine and i hope that we never use ukraine as as an example with abortion they are two separate things we are asked to honor the atrocities of the past and i think you minimize when you use your own language and another example that references abortion to the holocaust in the dallas observer newspaper fed up with legislative moderation we shouldn't be frivolous about the throwing away of of human life offering a nazi analogy we have seen cultures like in world war ii the nazis again this is offensive and it's insensitive to the population of our community furthermore there's another reference about comparing abortion with slavery there's no right to abortion in the constitution so it's just like the issue of slavery the federal court was wrong on that and the supreme court is wrong on abortion i have a problem with this because again you're you're minimizing what happened in our country you could wrap it up with your last sentence please i just would like to close saying that if we know what's been said and we do nothing then what does that say about

[1:05:53] us are we not held accountable to the language that we use that's my concern thank you very much may i leave this or well good morning and uh we appreciate you being here with us today i'm bobby roger i'm in the uh councilwoman lucy's district and appreciate all what y'all do uh i've been asked to give these to you uh i didn't do these but uh i think mark gave me to put a gift to you about the cities who have passed this this uh ordinance a couple weeks ago our big room across here to the right was filled with hundreds of san angelo citizens for the prayer breakfast and it was wonderful and some of you may have been there dr tony evans spoke and he mentioned some things about what we use as the basis for our decisions and they talked about in a church we use the bible and families you know well he said i would use the bible to counsel a family and individuals i would use the bible to counsel an individual and things like that but it said it's an amazing thing when it comes to government we throw out uh often the bible and use another playbook and uh you know if we really are a christian city and a christian nation uh i hold dear to the word of god as to our playbook and yeah i think it's pretty simple uh what it says about this and i know there's we're going to debate the language for a long long time to come but before the lord i think if we if we claim to be christians and you claim to be christians and bible believers and uh you know it's pretty plain in the ten commandments thou shalt not kill however you want to water that down or

[1:07:55] the word it that's it's okay i guess but god didn't didn't he meant what he said so i would encourage you that you know let's let's make this decision based on the bible if we claim to leave the bible you know but i appreciate what you do we pray for you i know it's a tough decision and you need wisdom and appreciate a new councilwoman here with us that's your first time so this is probably a real fun time for you but anyway uh we appreciate what you're doing but we ask you to consider let's not go to november we don't have to be like lubbock you know let's we can be like the other ones and do it that way but god bless you thank you for hearing me out good morning my name is greg breedlove i live at 614 avondale i'm sure one of you fine citizens is my representative i look forward to getting to meet you i'm the preacher at first baptist church but today i stand before you just as a citizen i'd like to speak as a father i have four children that we adopted out of the foster system when we used to live in california and i'd like to just speak to that very briefly all four of them have very interesting backstories all four of them had all sorts of what we might call challenges when they were brought into this world but i'd like to talk about my daughter katie she's a third grader at cornerstone she's a superb student she's an ab student when i drove her to school earlier today she said i'm so excited to go to school today and i was so excited to drop her off and i didn't really come here intending to talk about her but i'd like to talk about her for just a minute when we were going through the process of fostering her in california out of sonoma county just north of san francisco we would have to take her every couple weeks for a visitation with her birth mother and through that process we got to know the birth mother a little bit and i noticed that she was a little bit older and i thought well i wonder how many other birth siblings katie might have and so i asked the social worker one day does katie have any other brothers and sisters that may have been adopted out and she says no you want to know what the mom told us i said yeah i'd be very interested to know that

[1:09:57] katie was actually her first child to actually be born up until that point every other time she had become pregnant as soon as she found out that it was a boy she would have an abortion and so the only reason that katie is alive today is simply because she's a girl i think that that's unfortunate i know that we talk about all of these we talk about all of these times when people have abortion and all these really challenging circumstances but there's a whole lot of frivolous abortion that goes on as well and so i think anything that a city or municipality can do to stand up for the right of life is a good thing to do so i've read this i agree with it i hope that you guys will take some action on it thank you very much good morning mayor council my name is lacan mariano i i actually live on edinburgh in in at highland range i use i'm pastor at college hills baptist church and um i just want to say i know we you've heard a lot of things today uh like greg i want to say something about my family we we have two children we had we have two children when we came here two boys and we wanted to have more than that in fact i used to tell my wife that my goal in life was was was uh five by 35 and uh but for after our second child josh our second son we had mike and then josh and they were six and four when we moved to san angelo and we couldn't get pregnant or she couldn't get pregnant and we we prayed and we prayed and my wife would cry and there were many times when we knelt by our bedside asking god to to give us another child and in fact i remember praying one one night is it is it if this child is not going

[1:12:00] to receive christ as her save as his or her savior is that the reason then we're okay but we are asking you lord to give us well seven years later we had rachel and fast forward to when she was in college in new mexico and uh she had she was having female problems and the doctor told her that chances are you'll never have any children and so she cried and we cried with her because i know what she's seen in our family she got married after college they serve as missionaries in in belize while the in belize guess what she got pregnant and i still remember when nehemiah was born she painted a uh on a frame on a she was she's a painter and she said the the prayer from first samuel chapter one and it says i prayed for this child and the lord answered my prayer she just had another baby last july and it's their fourth child and it's so exciting i have right now 10 grandchildren and we have one that's coming next month no in two months and and i want to say this that life is so precious uh david in psalm 139 he said you search me and you know me oh lord before a word is on my lips you already know him oh lord where can i go when your spirit is not there if i go into the far into the into the far side of the sea your spirit is waiting there for me if i go to the heights or to the depths there's nowhere that i can go where your spirit is not there and then in verse 14 he says i praise you because i'm fearfully and wonderfully made and he was it was god who created this baby jeremiah chapter one he says before i created you in your mother's womb i already knew you and i have appointed you to be a prophet to the nations not not only to to to israel but to the nations and so i just please yes ma'am and let me just say this if i understand all the the legal

[1:14:03] jurisdiction that y'all were talking about and i agree with you yes it's at conception and i understand that but we cannot worry about what is not going to happen what we have no jurisdiction over here in san angelo let's make a decision i want to encourage you all let's make a decision to say life is precious and let's stand on that we are praying for you all thank you very much for the public comment my name is susie smith and i'm in district six larry is my councilman and as all this has been going on things have been going through my mind and i remember back in the 70s when we were sold that abortion was a solution and i remember the words no child an unwanted child and what is it wrought today there have been four ordinances on the front page four ordinances that were passed 7-0 we didn't vote on those we didn't read anything no i haven't read it but i trust the people who wrote it just like we have to trust you as a city council i was just sick to my stomach when i think about how this has been addressed and yet the pride

[1:16:06] that this city had the city council expressed that we don't kill trees here in san angelo oh we just don't want to kill trees we're going to take a stand on not killing trees and the pride that we don't kill dogs we're a no kill dog i was sickened to my stomach and yet all of this because we want to save the life of children in the womb abortion is the killing of a child in the womb are you against the killing of a child in the womb or are you for the killing of a child in the womb it's that simple roe v wade was passed saying we don't know when life begins y'all remember that we don't know when life begins but if we find out when life begins of course doctors knew but if we find out we'll have to revisit roe please please let's value the life of babies in the womb at least as much as trees and dogs thank you marcie kappa sir 11650 line robe um there's an article or an essay here um why uh freedom lovers should be pro-life uh and i believe a lot of what is said and i'll quote some of it there are two and only two possible sources of our freedoms either they come from the state's generosity in which case the state can rightfully confiscate them or they can are naturally assigned to each of us through being human

[1:18:08] in which case they are inalienable and cannot rightfully be confiscated by the state it not only means that government cannot rightfully deprive us of certain liberties but also that it cannot treat individuals differently the government does not have the authority to give these rights to someone while withholding them from others abortion supporters uphold a different foundation for the endowment of rights to them the rights of life and liberty aren't inalienable these rights are assigned to each of us by our mother father grandparents abortionists or anyone else who has influence into the decision to abort or not abort us because those people assign those rights to us they can rightly deprive the right us of the right to life and liberty this fundamental difference is a direct threat to liberty because it is attempting to shift the foundation of where our rights come from abortion undermines the very principle of inalienable rights which should scare all lovers of liberty along with anyone who claims to be an advocate of human rights declaring san angelo a sanctuary city for the unborn is a much needed move towards reclaiming our natural individual rights it will give the citizens of the city the moral authority upon which to make future decisions based on the common good the common good is something that is that each individual shares a benefit in is defined as always being oriented towards the progress of each individual texas passed the heartbeat act and the council has stated that it's good enough for san angelo in my opinion the heartbeat act is yet another attempt at government to claim the authority at which stage of life we can claim our natural rights if we as a city can boldly claim that the right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness is granted to all humans born and unborn then we can truly start to live free with love and respect for ourselves and each other thank you good morning um my name is trevor hanson

[1:20:20] with uh district four mrs gonzalez uh just come come to you uh this morning as a father uh we're gonna have our fourth child in may a baby girl after three boys um and uh just want to encourage you i know we've talked about the legality of some of this and what it does and does not address and and i understand that those are important things and we shouldn't just breeze by them but i just want to encourage you that when we all stand before god one day we are not going to be held to the standard of what our culture said was right we're not going to be held to the standard of what was popular at the time that we lived we're going to be held to the standard of god's perfect character and we know that he values life he is the arbiter of life and death we are not when we allow abortion when we take part of that in that and when we are um associated with that we are taking part in an activity that god despises only he is sovereign and only he is the arbiter of life and death he he gives it and he takes it we need to we need to leave that in his hands and so i encourage you to to support this and take a stand for what is true and what is right and what is according to god's character and just knowing that we will all stand before god one day and give an account for the life that we've lived and i hope most of all that you stand before god in christ thank you good morning my name is sharla in estrosa and i live at 113 las lomas drive i'm here today to say that i pray that you will pass this

[1:22:25] i was blessed to have been adopted in 1963 before roe v wade not only was i adopted but in my family my cousin was adopted my aunt was adopted and i have a sister-in-law who was adopted and i think what it comes down to is you have to ask yourself this or you have to say this planned or unplanned a crisis pregnancy or a much preg or a much prayed for pregnancy a baby is a baby and we have to value their life and i think back i don't know the circumstances for my adoption but psalm 22 11 from my mother's womb you have been my god and i am so thankful i am so thankful for my life and the lives of my children and my grandchildren because adoption gives generations whereas abortion ends generations so please please think about this as she said are we why are we so concerned about trees and and animals i mean yes those are important but my goodness is it really that hard to say that an unborn baby's life matters please pass this ordinance thank you brian angle single member district five i know you guys are gonna have a very tough boat here in just a little bit and there may be some divisions between you all and the board and all of that and i wish to offer a compromise because we've got this this thing that must that's very weighty for us to decide clearly um if there's people who would

[1:24:27] vote against that or want to push it onto the ballot in november that gives a voice to the people and that allows them to say whether they want it or not some would call that procrastination some would call that due diligence if that's the message that you want to portray then there ought to be a compromise to help people who are concerned about what happened in lubbock that as soon as that ordinance was passed that they had an abortion clinic that set up and the city council can act to deny permits and zoning in such a way that no new ones can be set up and could deny any uh to action on any uh any property that's previously zoned for that use until after this election is done and that gives everybody a chance to do the due diligence and it kind of takes the risk that lubbock brought to us been a lot of misinformation from people who are presenting different sides of this questions from people who maybe were not as informed about medical procedures or the legal portion of the of jurisdiction extending beyond the city limits and into the state of new mexico but that's really not the k that's really not the issue at hand the issue at hand is are we going to allow abortion in san angelo or not and that's something that i would i would advocate that we not do but i think that there's a way that we can let the people have their own voice not just people in the audience here but the people at at the ballot because that's how we how you all got elected is by the people at the ballot and so i you know and if the delay costs money to a certain portion of the population who advocate for this i would say their god owns a cattle on a thousand hills so money is should not be an issue i think that the council needs to use use he needs to use wisdom but also listen to the voices of the people who elected you further public comment

[1:26:32] if you've spoken once already you can't come before us again good morning madam mayor and dsd members of the city council my name is amanda mason i live in city council district four um i am a i consider myself a native saint angeland i grew up here i graduated from lakeview high school um i went off to texas tech i'm currently going through a career change i attend nursing school at howard which is why i am dressed like this today i had a test this morning over the endocrine system and the urinary i did i got a 90. so congratulations i am here this morning um to be kind of unpopular but i'm here to speak out against this i uh while i personally would never have an abortion what i have heard this morning sounds a lot like vigilante justice and we talk about if we're following somebody to new mexico and saying they can't do something else in new mexico that's not right i'm sorry like i one of the things that i have learned working in healthcare i actually used to work at the rape crisis center here i've been with women in their worst moments the absolute shame of having to have people take pictures of you and take swabs it's it it's very invasive and one of the things that we talk about in school is we always go for the least invasive treatment i believe san angelo does a wonderful job of discouraging abortion as it is we've got pregnancy crisis centers we've got wonderful churches here that step up and help people make that decision for themselves i don't i believe this making it telling people what they can and cannot do in the city of san angelo they can't do with their bodies is just it's very invasive it's the most invasive so the least invasive would be to do things like encourage um

[1:28:37] you know provide supplies like my stepmother does she works in readosa and they provide supplies to crisis pregnancies but unfortunately like i said this is um we talk about how we want to let the free market decide things and things like that you know what let's let a person make that decision between her and god and you know i would like to give one example is we have patients i mean not i haven't had a patient personally but there are patients out there who have decorated their nurseries they're ready for their baby but they found out that their baby is going to suffer when it's born so are we going to force this woman to carry that baby and deal with that until she has it like are we saying we she cannot have that baby taken out of her womb we're going to terminate that pregnancy before the baby's born where it's not going to suffer that's not our decision to make thank you see no one else come forward and if there is someone else who wants to come forward right now please do so else we will move into i'll stop talking uh i'm actually really impressed it's amazing that so many conservative voices your name and your district sorry spencer matthews smd5 uh thank you all for doing this and i'm amazed at all the conservative voices and and i'm actually i moved back to san angelo to be around conservatives so it's really nice to see everybody show up i would further kind of stress and maybe challenge everybody to to step back and think about that we live in a republic and people have elected people to represent certain parts of their life and and i was in part of the smd-5 race and i never heard this came up come up nobody ran on the right to life or abortion or

[1:30:40] anything like that and i kind of find the process a little bit backwards i think and we have a congress and we have a veto power of a president we don't see that in this situation and so i challenge the process that the people need that aren't aware of this need to be able to take this to a ballot and hear that i don't want to delay the process i think the heartbeat bill is a great thing in pro-life but at the same time there's a process and i think this is kind of circumnavigating that on some member districts that didn't you didn't campaign on this you ran on sidewalks and infrastructure and i think this kind of goes beyond that and i think it i think it puts too much pressure on a city council i think it needs to go to a ballot and do something a little bit different that would be my personal opinion thanks any further public comment with none then we will i guess ask for emotion is that what we do so what we also need to make clear is that i believe well i'm going to ask for a motion to accept this as an ordinance to be voted on by the city council is that the correct language if you want to do that it would just be a motion to approve the ordinance as presented that would be what i just said all right i'll start with um tommy hebert so what are we voting on nobody nobody made a motion nobody made a motion okay so is there a motion hearing no motion

[1:32:49] now what do i do you need a motion either to approve the ordinance with some amendments or a motion to deny the ordinance actually let me correct that it's either adopted the way it is at this point adopt it with some amendments or rejected okay do i have anything from counsel tommy mayor i have long since this issue started i have long said that this is an issue that needs to go to the voters um this this this this to me is we can see from the the conversation this morning that it's it's complex it's got many layers to it um the i have had um as many people say to me i want to vote on this as have not said that to me so i would make a motion um to deny the ordinance and send it to the ballot do i have a second second by lucy we will ask for further public comment yes sir does this motion allow any amendments to the current ordinance we would vote on this as it is and if it is passed or rejected then we take up something else just what is sorry just one point of clarification with the motion on the table to reject the ordinance that does not automatically send this to the voters the initiating committee then has to send a letter a statement saying that they want it to go to the voters and in what format so this does not automatically send it to the voters it's you're just taking action on the ordinance not on the next steps okay so there's a motion there is a second we will take a vote i'll start with tommy

[1:34:54] hi tom aye harry i want to make a statement first and then i'll first of all and i've said this since the beginning i am pro-life always have been always will be of course at 76 how long that will be i don't know if the good lord will have to let me know but the bottom line is is that we've got 50 people in the room today give or take a few 50 people should not make the decision of a hundred thousand people in san angelo so i larry i think we've discovered in this process that there are significant flaws in this proposed ordinance that i i cannot accept as it is do i believe there is a reason for this ordinance yes and in an amended form i can agree with it but with some of the portions of this that just make no sense to me and are probably extra legal in some respects i would choose to reject but allow for amendments to it and afford to move on erin i have a comment as well and it's very personal so bear with me i'm a survivor of a violent sexual assault and i'm also the parent of an adopted child i'm also pro-life but i'm going to vote in accordance with the other council members i want it to go to the public and i think there are good reasons for that and i think there needs to be some careful amendments considered before we go there lucy i'd like to make a statement please um i just want to say thank you to the committee that went and did all their hard work their research brought it back to us and everything thank you very much um

[1:36:55] at the same time like that's been said we do have a room full of people but there's a lot of people out there that should have the chance to express their vote and the way that they can do that is by going and voting either way but have let their voice be heard also i too am pro-life and i strongly believe that abortion is something that should not be allowed but i'm also a big proponent of allowing the public to choose and to vote i strongly support taking this to the voters for their opinion on it we are a very conservative city and i believe the citizens will do the right thing but i do believe it needs to go to the sit-ins so i say i with that harry's i mean tommy's motion is past 7-0 i believe i suggested that i would vote for it if it was amended so i believe okay so thank you for that clarification so it is a six to one vote did i say i or did i just finish my statement and i didn't vote yes ma'am all right with that what's the next step the next step would be for a letter to come from the initiating committee stating how they want to move it forward i believe we may have that here [Applause] would you like me to read it into the record yes but let me ask another question no go ahead okay it just says in light of the san angelo city council's decision to not adopt the ordinance for the sanctuary city for the unborn we the undersigned committee do hereby demand that the

[1:38:59] ordinance be placed on the november ballot of 2022 please allow this letter to service such notice from the initiating committee all right with that let me ask the question so with larry's comment is do we first of all consider changing some of the language before it's put on the november ballot um based on their letter they did not indicate that they would be open to any amendments so i don't believe that would be allowed okay ma'am yes larry that's where i was coming from on this is i would like to present the best possible product to the people out there in a referendum i do not believe that that the ordinance as it stands is the best possible product to convince people that this is the way we should go give me direction there's really no further direction for the council to take if the initiating committee wished to withdraw this letter and wish to do something more they can send us a revised version but it's really in their hands at this point they've fulfilled all of their duties as outlined in the charter and you guys have taken a vote so we're just on to the next item now on the agenda very much i think it's time for a break back to finish up this meeting we appreciate that tremendously and with that we will move on to our regular agenda and the first item on our regular agenda is a presentation of the destination marketing organization and year end report and our pres vice president of the destination marketing organization diane bayes will be making the presentation today welcome well thank you good morning mayor city council leadership and citizens glad to be here to share some great news about our year end of 2021

[1:41:05] first why the name change we were a convention and visitors bureau that's what we've always been known as in our industry that is a confused statement for a lot of people they don't know what that means and so what we really do in our organization is market the destination therefore we change the name to destination marketing organization we promote and market local attractions accommodations transportation retail stores restaurants events and meetings and conventions as well as offering tourism services is there anything you don't promote not we don't promote the bad news okay and that's you know that i say we are really the luckiest people in the world we get to only talk about the good things happening in a community and that is a great thing to do our mission is to enhance quality of life for the citizens of san angelo through destination marketing and promotion so we do promote usually through our social media you will see our um our activities and our promotions locally but the majority of our locally our our marketing is done outside of the city limits we want to bring visitors here and here's the reason why we are fully funded by hotel tax so visitors pay for everything we do so visitors are extremely important to our organization you hear the phrase heads in beds that is part of who we are but that's not all just to give you an idea we're fully funded by the portion of the seven percent local hotel tax dollars the rest of those funds are distributed throughout the city by this council to make sure that they are meeting the criteria that the the law for hotel tax is based on it is a designated fund criteria number one first every expenditure must directly enhance and promote tourism and the convention and hotel industry and number two every expenditure of the hotel occupancy tax must clearly fit into one of nine statutory

[1:43:07] provided categories for expenditure of local hotel occupancy tax revenues we do not get any of the retail sales tax that those visitors pay so keep that in mind that those tax dollars go into the general fund so thank you visitors we appreciate you helping pay for police and fire and other opportunities i want to talk a little bit about our bookings that we had through our sales team last year uh it while it was a slower year we were we were doing well we in 2020 we cancelled 100 meetings and events in march right after covid and then unfortunately we got delta dealt to us if you will in 2021 and we were still able to have 47 meetings on the books so that while that is about a little under half of what we normally would get the meetings are coming back however they've changed they've become more of a combination of a hybrid meeting so they will have some virtual and some in person with the virtual also components so we're having to readjust to what that looks like these are just a few oh go ahead go ahead no i'll ask these are just a few samples of the definite bookings we had in 2021 i share this because i want you to see the variety of hats our staff has to wear in order to get bookings into our community we have the earth moving contractors association the southern rolling plains cotton growers the associated press managing editors the south southwest council of agribusiness veterinary medical water utilities catholic women's conference association of school administrators business women's state conference and the state park promotions team summer meeting those are just a few of the examples what was the largest one of that group the largest oh gosh um got to be the school administrators i would i would think it would have been i

[1:45:11] do unfortunately i don't have that data in front of me we also have of course the visitor center so we manage the visitor center and i wanted to share this information now these are strictly the people who actually sign in and come into our visitor center so this absolutely does not represent all of those people but last year 4 275 people came into our visitor center those top texas cities san antonio austin abilene houston midland odessa dallas fort worth el paso and lubbock and then you see the other states and we even had some international visitors normally that is a bigger number uh the 77 we had we normally do good fellow tours unfortunately we put those on pause for a couple of years we shot a video instead so that they at least have a place uh something to see to show what there is to see and do when they're here but we uh expect that number will increase in the next few years they we do know that they want to bring it back and so we hope we can get those tours back so that we can help educate the good fellow uh people while they're here print and digital and i know i put pandora in here so also sound i recognize that pandora is not a print or digital but in 2021 we were in 31 print publications and 10 on 10 tourism websites so our print went down a bit from last year or from 2020 but we were more present digitally and we felt that was really important to do that we've seen those trends and so we want to continue to make sure we're we're everywhere when we're when we're on our marketing some of those include austin monthly and i've shared the distribution as well as uh the frequency austin monthly authentic texas magazine which is done through the the heritage trail system it's a program they offer and it's a quarterly publication brand usa global inspiration program you may think why would we be in that that

[1:47:15] is the us travels marketing magazine it is in 15 countries and nine languages so we work with brand usa through travel texas which is a part of the office of the governor we want to make sure that we are getting that message out we do go to both mexico and canada on sales calls with travel texas so the next step would be to make sure that we are in those magazines when those planners see that information certified folder rack card distribution last year we distributed 123 120 000 rack cards majority of those are in texas this year we just printed and delivered 150 000 rack cards that will be not only in texas but also in the shoulder states because we felt it was really important that that information was going into new mexico louisiana oklahoma and those those other states pandora we are on a uh an austin blues channel on pandora so we are we're marketing the fact that our bottlenecks are better than theirs you're not stuck in traffic in san angelo you can get anywhere in just about 15 minutes it's gone very very well on that that station ride texas that is strictly a motorcycle magazine but we want we like the idea of taking the cyclist off of 20 and 10 and bringing them down the middle when they're coming east especially out of that austin san antonio area through the hill country san antonio magazine shop across texas if you saw recently i sent out a press release that eight stores were named best of by the readers of shop across texas we are very active with that organization in getting those stores added to uh to their inventory for votes by their readers texas country reporter everybody knows bob phillips and kelly phillips everybody loves them and so we have been a top texas town through them that is also carried on rfdtv nationally and then of course the texas sports trail region website

[1:49:18] texas meeting planner guide we have to get that information out to those planners so that our sales team can sell meetings and they will know who we are so we are also in that mid texas midwest community network annual guide that is mostly in this region uh but we work with at that time kathy keene uh to to get in their their publication texas monthly texas parks and wildlife annual guide with a state park in our community is important that we're in there the texas sports facility guide with the facilities that we have to offer for sports teams yet another market for us we want to make sure they know about them the texas state travel guide is distributed by the governor's office of travel tourism and through economic development and tourism 700 000 copies of that are distributed and when travel texas goes outside of the state in the nation they take that guy with them travel host west texas travel texas which is actually a website that is the governor's office website to promote texas travel true west magazine and we'll talk a little bit about more about that success in a bit visit the usa global inspiration guide again this is part of brand usa and and promoting through u.s travel they give you the details in terms of who subscribes to them and where they have the biggest impact from their guide what are their results yes we get those results and we can see pockets of where that is distributed throughout so we get those reports you see that we get an impact here in san angelo from the visit the usa.com and visit the usa global inspiration guide yes that is something it's actually a really interesting thing to talk about it and i'll tell you where we get most of the commentary from the media and part of that is because we also attend an event called ipw we will be in orlando this year it will be in san

[1:51:20] antonio for the first time in 22 years next year so we're going to have a big presence there but that that brings in 600 media from around the world so we want to be there we want them when they are touring texas and talking about coming to texas we want san angelo to be front center for that the number one thing they look for the number one it depends on who they are and where they're from uh you know the the german market the the asian market they're all different depending on what they want some want the arts somewhat the the cowboy culture some want the nature and and and we have all of that so we're pretty well-rounded for what the international traveler is looking for now this is something i like to talk about and and a lot of people might not be familiar with earned media so i did put a definition earned media is defined as the unpaid coverage or mention of you or your brand or organization by third party entities such as media publications custom customers or influencers and our earned media we had some role in every one of these articles we were either interviewed or provided me provided photography or they they just talked to us about our community to write these these stories so they cost us nothing and you know we get more of that we will we will get more of that we get a pretty pretty good amount every year so true west magazine was best of the best um in uh 20 20 21. true us magazine top western towns we were number two in last year now magazine it was an artful inspiration talked about our arts uh here in our community small market meetings i was interviewed by their writers there to add some texas flair to your meeting so we talked about meetings texas town and city san angelo embraces the designation visual arts capital of texas got to be interviewed for that texas monthly we talked about air race coming texas highways the perfect pair i

[1:53:25] can't remember what that article was texas highways bean to barn that was about cowboy up chocolates i'll go back when is the air air race one coming back we are not sure now that has been on hold and there were sponsorship challenges just simply because of covid so we are still kind of waiting so not this year and not that we are aware the austin american statesman i'm going to point this out you'll see a number of austin american statesman's statement articles that was for the press editors when they came here he he loves san angelo out of austin and so he wrote teasers before he got here and teasers when he was here and then and then he wrote articles afterwards so we got a lot of press just for hosting a meeting so that's really important for for the citizens to know we hosted a meeting and they wrote about it that's always a good thing a lot of these are are about art about what we have to offer abilene reporter texas highways again travel awaits how to spend a gorgeous weekend in beautiful san angelo what's not to love about that the hotel guide named us one of the top 10 texas cities and so that that earned media is really important to us because we didn't again have to pay for it and coming from an outside audience it's always good for someone to talk about it and let's uh have another meeting and invite the austin american statesman guy if he's going to write that there you go well i just say that you ought to interview each and every one up here on this council and hear from us what we think are the greatest things about san angelo and see how much press we get from that there we go i can do that public relations we submitted the application for consideration for top 10 western town for 2021 please know that you will not be considered if an application is not sent to them so we have to put the application out in order for us to be considered last year we were ranked number two i know we're talking about

[1:55:27] 2021 but this year we brought back the title of number one and this is the past four years we've submitted the applications and we've been either the number one or the number two city four years in a row so that is a great uh feather in the cap of our community and those businesses who embrace the western heritage we created the paperwork submission and testified to legislators to have saint angela named the visual arts capital of texas through 2031. governor abbott as in through 31 so for 10 years correct that's correct that's correct so we are playing off of that pretty well and we're going to continue to do that i'd like to know how we make sure we use that to draw people in october when they go to marfa for their annual trip to see how great the art is in marfa when we have a much bigger art community here well they're all coming from the east or majority of them are so we can draw them in that way we submitted paperwork for the inaugural travel awards uh texas travel awards to consider san angelo as destination of the year and we won uh beating other large cities some of those big five or big six cities and we're proud of that fact and then of course we have the creation of a san angelo savings pass we offer a san angelo visitor savings pass and we created a coffee trail savings pass that launched in january there are six businesses who participate in that savings pass and we've already seen a couple of dozen at least uh people who've used it and so we're still working on it and we're creating a mini mini art gallery trail as well so those are going to continue we want to work with the businesses who have something we can get them in the door with and so we want to of course always have the visitor use them and even the the locals use them so that they can frequent them more media more pr uh efforts i was interviewed for state national magazines i was interviewed for true west magazine for our top western town article texas town and city for

[1:57:29] embracing the designation for visual arts capital of texas the texas town in city magazine goes to city leadership and elected officials and county officials all over the state so that was good exposure for our community for those those folks as well and then san angelo lifestyles in abilene living magazine as many of you may know i did do a perimeter tour in june 2020 for some reason it keeps making um making the rounds and so uh got to talk about that how we started in san angelo ended in san angelo and then we saw the whole state and then and san angelo was represented at consumer meeting trade shows we go to a number of trade shows christian meetings and conventions association connect texas and destination texas are all association planners as well as southwest showcase the state fair of texas our friends at the texas sports trail represent us there the texas country reporter festival suzanna and i went there and bob and kelly gave us prime real estate right by the stage so we got to see a whole lot of people at that event the u.s travel ipw i talked about that earlier i was in las vegas last year we're going to orlando and then we'll be in san antonio and then the winter texan expo down in mcallen addition additionally we launched four our bottlenecks are better than there's videos we utilized by the stream media here in town uh they did ads print ads for us and they also did videos that have gotten a lot of real real great play and and really are fun to watch two shows aired on texas country reporter uh another the perimeter tour was picked up in january but art and common places was highlighted in may and then the farwell kites an asu professor was interviewed for that and i want to just give you a backdrop background on that when i was doing the texas perimeter tour with bob and his team they they interviewed us in farwell and these kites these birds were jumping all over us we didn't know what they were and they were pretty amazing and it turns out an asu professor knew about the kite so that followed up with

[1:59:31] a new interview from asu so we got double play off of that and then we hosted a travel influencer 18 things to do in san angelo for romantic getaway christina has a large following and we were able to take advantage of that as far as our social media efforts in 2021 we saw 157 increase on our page views on our website a nine percent increase in facebook followers uh three percent increase on twitter 26 increase in instagram 30 in increase in views on youtube unfortunately we had a decrease in pinterest so we're going to beef that right back up and then we had a 74 increase on linkedin we've been more active on linkedin because that is a business location for people to read about us so we're also working now with economic development to share some of their stories on our destination our discover san angelo page in order to get more good news out about our city that's what's posted on linkedin how do we know that that post resulted in any activity within the city we can see the analytics we don't know that we just know that we're sending out pr that is good pr about our community but we don't know if they've come here afterwards unless they actually tell us that in a post so occupancy and average daily rate comparison this is kind of hard to see but and i didn't put it in those blue colors it just did that when i transferred over so i don't i don't know why i did it but i wanted to share what the occupancy looked like in 2021 our occupancy was 57 we strived to have 60 we didn't get there 55 in 2020 and 64 in 2019 so we lost it it's about a 10 percent decrease since 2019 pre-code that said i believe we would have hit that 60 mark uh because one of our hotels which is one of our larger hotels was struck by lightning in august and it has the inventory for that hotel has not come back and will not come back till

[2:01:34] the end of march so those people have an option to stay in one of those other hotels in that same area they did but if they don't have the meeting space and they were you they would be utilizing some of that meeting space in that property as well they did not all stay there and so we did lose a significant amount of dollars for that in occupancy as well so we feel as soon as that property gets back up and we'll see the numbers and we feel confident it will happen and then of course we have american getting ready to open i think at the end of this month and so we'll have another property online which will be helpful that said the other news on that is average daily rate is higher this year than it has been in the past three years it's 79 on average in 2020 it was 70 and in 2019 it was 77 so people are paying to come we just didn't have as many people come so that helps balance it out a little bit i couldn't give you the number uh councilman thomas for 2021 because we don't have those numbers yet we won't know those until probably june however this is why travel and tourism is important to our community and the visitor coming to our community if not for visitor spending in 2020 which i'll give you every household would have to pay an additional 549 dollars in taxes annually you'll notice that we were seeing a big increase in that pre-coven so we're going to see that number come back up and we hope to someday hit at least 700 i will tell you we were recently at the unity dinner for the travel and tourism industry in houston and the number in texas on average is 740. i would love to hit that number someday but i think 549 is pretty respectable so that's it for me i'd be happy to answer any questions do good work diane you do we have questions from councilman i have a question how are we going to maximize the visual capital

[2:03:37] of texas because that's a fantastic effort that you put in getting us that and it's so appreciative of it so how do we maximize that well we're doing a lot of it with our advertising so we're focusing on that we do have a brand for visual arts capital of texas so we're putting that information out in our marketing efforts we are also doing that with our pr efforts suzanna will be going to la next week and then new york at the end of the month and we that those meetings are with media so we are going to be telling that story there so that everyone knows that's who we are because that designation is important these designations as a whole are important for the quality of life to be able to sell to a community this is what you can see and do in this community and if you if you saw my slide if i can get it back whoops i'm not there yet i thought i had another slide it all starts with a visit if they don't visit they won't consider moving they won't consider moving a business here we need to get them here so again we go after those designations like visual arts capital of texas um and also true west number 10 our number one true western town in the u.s we bring that information out there and the more designations we can find the better we look on paper to people looking to move a business or relocate or come here for jobs and so we're going to be doing that more through our pr and our marketing efforts how about the music friendly designation how are we maximizing that we are now in a new process of planning with that and so we are looking at different opportunities to to talk about our music industry one of the things we're looking at doing is creating banners that musicians who play in other communities can take that say san angelo so that when they go to other locations in their backdrop when they're playing san angelo will be on the backdrop so that they will see

[2:05:40] who we are so that is a that's one of our efforts there are there are so many opportunities we have our film friendly designation we did our our first live film festival last year we're working very closely with uh the san angelo uh performing arts center about bringing in more movies so that we can show that we are film friendly and was the attendance last year the attendance was low but that said we had 19 filmmakers from all over the country and they said it was the best venue they've ever actually been to for a film festival and playing their shows this year we are going to offer incentive for those who for the winner of the film festival we're still trying to to market this out but we want to offer incentive for them to come and film in san angelo they would be required to use some of our local actors some of our businesses when they purchase sets or whatever they have to use the locals but we want to be able to say we are going to create a film inventory so that we can say we had films made in san angelo and that that's independent filmmakers and who knows where it will go from there how do we get out to the public in san angelo because we have some very talented people here in san angelo that maybe consider themselves future filmmakers how do we get the message out to them that they could help us in this effort of being a a movie friendly city sure well one of the things we wanted to do last year and we just couldn't do it based on the timing but we wanted the film uh festival coordinator who does the austin revolution film festival the number one film festival on film freeway which is huge um i want to add that we had a thousand films submitted for our festival first year that's a lot so the interest is there and because we're working with james with the austin revolution film festival he has already that market and so we were going to have him and several of

[2:07:42] the filmmakers actually speak to the asu students filmmaking students unfortunately we just couldn't make that happen last year but that is a priority this year to make that happen so that they know we also work closely with the film commission the texas film commission we're constantly talking to them about what opportunities there are to have filmmakers come here so when we get those leads we immediately answer them if they're looking for example for a white church somewhere we will go find a white church within driving distance where they'll stay here and so we we constantly are getting that information out that says we want to have them filmed so if you have opportunities at the state bring them here fantastic i thank you for your being able to answer questions quickly because it tells you you really know your market and really know your information so it says a lot about your professionalism and your leadership and it is greatly appreciated thank you appreciate you any other comments or questions thank you diane [Applause] i'm going to move ahead and do item dne because we have people in the audience for the sidewalk ordinance i'd like to go ahead and move forward on that so you don't have to sit and wait a lot longer if you don't mind everybody is that okay i'll go ahead mayor [Laughter] decker wait a little longer out there john you're on do we need to read the caption yes please i will do that sorry got to get focused again d first reading and public hearing of an ordinance amending chapter 12 planning and development exhibit c land development and subdivision ordinance chapter 9 land development and subdivision design policies replacing it in its entirety section v sidewalks and amending chapter 3 definitions john euron thank you

[2:09:44] john james director planning development services i'm going to go through these first slides pretty quickly but it's just a little bit of background on how we got to this point the city does have a comprehensive plan that lays out the future of the community and it has a number of items referenced in there for making the city more pedestrian and bicycle friendly and talking about walkable communities and sidewalks is one of the ways to do that the city's parks plan also references ensuring that there's sidewalk connectivity in neighborhoods to parks the san angelo housing study that was just done a couple of years ago talks about home buyers preferences for sidewalks and that some in some neighborhoods some folks would prefer sidewalks now you'll notice that when we get to the sidewalk actual the details we've not recommended sidewalks in single family thing i say about people taking these surveys is most surveys are loaded the questions are loaded and they say would you like a sidewalk well the answer is going to be yes would you like a sidewalk if it costs you ten thousand dollars more that question's not asked just to be sure we're clear well and we do in a second we do have a response to a survey that did ask a similar question to that but angelo state and the mpo worked together back in 2013 to ask some similar questions and again the majority of people did want to see more sidewalks in the community they didn't ask a lot of specifics on where they should be and so that was a lot of the details that we've worked out over the past couple of years and similarly the large support for more sidewalks and what does that mean exactly uh is is kind of part of the debate would you like a sidewalk oh yeah would you like to pay more for it oh i didn't know i was going to have to well and here's a question that the mpo did a survey back in 2016 and they did ask that question would the community benefit from new sidewalks and 75 said yes uh would you support taxes to pay for those sidewalks and again that number was 63 percent or would you rather have that money spent on the streets

[2:11:48] that question wasn't asked but 63 did say they would spend money to get more sidewalks they were asked where they wanted to see sidewalks a lot of people just said everywhere some people said neighborhoods and residential areas what i find interesting about that is the number of criticisms and angry mail and angry phone calls i have gotten considering all of those sidewalks that have gone up and down bryant boulevard and knickerbocker and everybody's mad and angry as because those sidewalks were put out there so i'm confused about the messaging here well i would say we do hear from folks who think those sidewalks are helpful and we do see people walking on them so there i think there are elements on both sides that see the benefits but also obviously as you mentioned some people don't think it was a good investment on those streets you would rather we spend it on our streets most of them that i heard from anyway again some of this information is in your background so i'm going to skip through it but there are some national surveys from the aarp that also talks about people's desires for more sidewalks as well as the national association of realtors that found that communities with sidewalks do see higher values and homes sell quicker and just to note that in and around schools you'll notice that that's one of the areas where we've recommended sidewalks somewhere between 10 and 35 percent of students walk to school depending on the school so it some schools it's lower some schools it's it's higher up to a third of students who actually walk to school we did look at other cities as we normally do we looked at the 50 largest cities in in the state uh san angelo and waco are the only two that don't require sidewalks in in most new development um as with many of those cities ordinances we have proposed a number of exceptions to where sidewalks would not be required and you'll see both rural areas industrial areas and existing neighborhoods as well just a brief summary of the ordinance

[2:13:58] sidewalks are already triggered the process that triggers sidewalks are subdivision plats replats and site plans and that will continue to be the case as i noted in most cases new single-family homes won't require sidewalks but in the limited cases they will those can be deferred so they won't have to be built with the road at the subdivision plat they could be delayed until the home is actually built sidewalks would be required on major collectors and arterial streets so the larger streets and this ordinance does establish a process for waivers or deviations so if there are particular unique examples of where sidewalks would be required but for whatever reason may not be appropriate for that area there is basically a variance process to ask for not having to do that is this what we currently have or is this what you're proposing no this is the proposed ordinance so as i mentioned earlier sidewalks would generally not be required on local streets and minor collectors that's something that throughout this process working with the development task force as well as the recommendation of the planning commission that was really one of the big sticking points is do we require sidewalks for new uh single-family home developments and so the ordinance that comes to you today from the planning commission has recommended not requiring sidewalks in those single-family residential areas but it would require sidewalks in some of these other areas the the downtown uh multi-family so apartment areas as well as commercial areas uh any any uh area that's designated on a safe routes to school plan for example in and around schools and in certain areas where sidewalks already exist so we do have some neighborhoods where there are sidewalks if somebody builds something in those areas they would also have to put in a sidewalk but if they take that sidewalk out and just plant a new lawn what happens well under this ordinance they would be required to replace it um and so if you can't you if there's a sidewalk constructed on your property

[2:16:00] you couldn't just take it out without even if it's like this well they also the property owners would have to maintain the sidewalk set on their properties as well moving forward the ordinance does also require sidewalks within 300 feet of commercial areas parks schools and churches and i just included this because the ordinance does make sidewalks required either required or not required based on street classification so these are just some examples of as we went through this process we got questions well what is a major arterial or what's a minor collector um and i've also got a map if there are questions just of the city showing which streets are major arterials which go back to that other screen okay so what we know is on bryant and knickerbocker tech stop paid for those sidewalks that's correct the city didn't no that's correct but if um if there are parts where txdot hasn't constructed a sidewalk and a new developments going in they would also have to put in a sidewalk or on some of the city streets like college hills or southwest boulevard those would also require sidewalks if when new development happens i'll point out that this doesn't require anybody to go out and do anything on their property today unless they're going through a development process for some new development or redevelopment on the property so no one will have to go out tomorrow and put in a sidewalk unless they're developing so staff does recommend this ordinance this before you as did the planning commission by a vote of five to one at their january 24th meeting i don't think i included it on a slide but this has gone through our development task force at least five times and this i believe this recommendation of this ordinance comes to you with the full support of the development community as well questions from council tommy hi tom john you there's one in there tom you're on right thank you tommy

[2:18:05] you'll take a second cool so um you talked about 300 feet within a church i mean churches can pop up anywhere i don't want the developers to put in something then be at risk of a site popping up and i mean we had one on agenda just two weeks ago that popped up how do we deal with that to protect them well the church would have to be there so if a church comes in later uh that wouldn't change anything for the ladies around it again unless they then later come in to develop or redevelop something new that's the only question mommy so this doesn't have anything to do if we wanted to see i'm still fighting to to build the sidewalk from gregory street all the way down we have a game plan yes okay that's this isn't going to matter this isn't going to have anything to do with it then okay okay that's right any sidewalk that the city a city goes out and builds as part of a street project or a separate sidewalk project isn't affected by this okay so with that i would say i need a motion for approval of item d as presented some moved by tom e and seconded by harry e and we will now hear from the public good morning council brian benson owner of clearview custom homes as well as i have the privilege of being president of the homebuilders of san angelo association uh just here wanted to uh just let you guys know that that you know sidewalk ordinance sounds like it's simple but as as john just explained in this uh this has been basically a two-year meeting and collaboration with the building task force planning commission some subcommittees that we have and the

[2:20:07] development community along with city staff and we want to thank city staff for working with us coming together on this as we see san angelo growing and having potential in the future for this this is something we're going to have to do uh hopefully a lot uh work with us and you guys and uh and come together and we did this and i just want to let you guys know that we're full approval of this ordinance what i want you all to know is that we understand that you are our future without more homes and affordable homes at whatever price an affordable home is based off of someone's income we support what you do we have a tax base that is primarily made up of residential tax dollars not commercial or industrial so our hope to grow our tax base is on your shoulders you carry the weight so we need you to keep building and we need you to be able to build homes customers want where they want to live and at the price they can afford so we want you to know that we support your work your efforts and what you bring to the table for economic development because if we don't have homes no one wants to move here if we don't have homes no business wants to come here housing is a primary issue as it relates to our ability to continue to grow as a city so i thank you for what you do thank you and like saying again thank you guys for working with us and hope to keep doing the future and make san angelo a better place thank you good morning russell with skg engineering um thank you for the motion for this however we would would like to kind of ask that that we put something to before you to reconsider this and add maybe to the motion as we've read through this ordinance for the umpteenth time you read it and you read it and you talk to developers and you get their input and you learn and you read it some more and then you go through a planning commission and and so you know there's just a few things really two things i believe that that we would like to have added back in one of those for in a specific and i don't know if this is sidewalk or sidewalk in streets

[2:22:11] that we're really talking about just sidewalks only so so really don't have much specific to the sidewalks but as we get maybe to the street with before and this is the sidewalk ordinance so really discussing street widths right now i don't believe it'll give you that next item here it'd be the next item so on this particular item in this motion and second is with sidewalks only the issues relative to streets is in the next item and you'll be glad we'll be glad to have you come forward and speak at that point okay thank you for that and the clarification there but i do want to just ask that before we have a motion or maybe you can come back and amend your motion on the streets because we want to talk about some specific items there but but we do fully support the sidewalks there's some street stuff that we'll talk about when we get to the streets thank you good morning i'm steve eustis i'm a commercial broker and developer here in san angelo and don't have any comments about the residential part but i did want to ask a couple of questions about the commercial uh john does this every level of commercial does every level of commercial zoning will require sidewalks cn for example what are you asking what's cn neighborhood commercial so the public knows what you're asking i'm sorry uh you know all levels of commercial zoning would manufacturing fall under that yes all levels of commercial zoning including neighborhood commercial would require sidewalks but as i mentioned earlier the uh there is an exemption for uh industrial areas so manufacturing light industrial those kinds of zonings would not require

[2:24:15] sidewalks on local streets or mono collectors all major streets would still require sidewalks yes yes that sure is thank you and just one other question or comment we have always john's always worked with us on deferring sidewalks in commercial planning to the building permit stage and but that's always required a special request for that exemption is this automatic that we can defer putting in sidewalks until the building's being built or do we still have to go for special requests yes as this ordinance is written it would allow for that basically an automatic deferral the only exceptions to that are what we call non-developable areas so uh if you're doing a subdivision for example and there's a detention pond or a um you know something adjacent to a railroad a railroad track is not a good example but if there are areas that won't have subsequent development on them in the future then the sidewalks would have to be constructed with commercial yeah any commercial property would be automatically eligible or automatically deferred there's a development agreement required they would have to sign basically agreeing to do it in the future because uh some elements of state law require certain things to be done at the subdivision plat stage so that's where our authority comes from to require the sidewalks in certain circumstances and so we just require the developer to agree to do it in the future just so we have that we basically extend that authority to the development stage or the building stage but short answer is yes that would be deferred thank you very much and i support the ordinances presented and i also want to say thanks to staff for just always being there to listen there

[2:26:17] was some pretty heated meetings sometimes and i think john always acted like a gentleman and i appreciate it further public comment seeing none we will take a vote all in favor of passing item d as read and presented please say aye aye are there any nays with no nays this passes seven to one i mean seven to zero my my counter's off item e first reading daniel what did you say i said why are you against it daniel item e first reading and public hearing of an ordinance amending chapter 12 planning and development exhibit c land development and subdivision ordnance chapter 10 construction standards and specifications section 3 widths and graphic specifications replacing in its entirety subsection a wits and amending chapter 3 definitions and john you're on again thank you this is kind of a companion piece um a couple of reasons that we're looking at changing the street widths both the pavement width that has to be constructed as well as the right of way width which is the the land including adjacent to the pavement itself we get a lot of variance requests for street widths so especially on existing streets maybe there's an existing street out there that's 32 feet wide but the ordinance says it has to be 36 or 40 feet wide and the developer doesn't want to have to go out and just add two or three feet to the edge of a road and of course a lot of those are approved as well so we wanted to take a look at should we modify the requirements of those and narrow the widths in some cases and that's what this proposal would do this also has been to the development task force a number of times and as

[2:28:19] russell mentioned there's a maybe a couple of tweaks they're going to mention but for the most part this is supported by the development community and as you present this to us can you tell us where the tweets are so we understand them well at least at least the ones i know of so this does basically three major things one is it decreases the pavement width for most street classifications and i won't read through all of these but you can see here as an example for a minor arterial the pavement width would go from 64 uh to 56 feet so that's if a developer is going out and building a brand new road instead of 64 feet it could be constructed at 56 feet i'll note on minor collector and local streets staff had originally recommended narrowing those more as well but the planning commission chose not to follow that recommendation and to keep the streets a little wider and in part that has to do with the decision on sidewalks because part of the reason our streets are so wide is that years ago the city decided we're not going to require sidewalks but to ensure that there's a safe place for people to walk we're going to make the roads a little wider to give that edge of the street where people could walk at least presumably somewhat more safely a little farther away from traffic and so the majority of the planning commission felt that if we're not going to require sidewalks on those local and minor collector streets they wanted to keep them a little wider as well but they also did leave in our current ordinance requirement that you can go narrower on those streets if you provide a sidewalk so sidewalks not required but so for example on a local street it would require a 40-foot wide street which is our current standard but if you're willing to do a sidewalk on at least one side of the street you could go down to 36. again that's our current standard in our current ordinance and that's what the recommendation that's coming to you from the planning commission recommends what happens if you're in lake view and

[2:30:23] most of the streets in lakeview are built at a much narrower width so how do we approach that and does this ordinance address that it does in fact that's i said there were three things this does that's the third one and i'll get to that in just a second uh before i get off of this slide this is the one of the things that um i think russell was was going to come and ask you because we had proposed narrowing the streets we basically eliminated the separate rural street standard that allowed rural streets to be more narrow but with the planning commission saying no we want to keep them a little wider there's a possible need to add back in that separate provision for rural streets and just find a rural street for us it's basically any street in an area where the lots are over an acre so that's largely etj development outside the city limits but it is some areas like like on the north side there are some areas where there are large lots as well so basically north side there's also just the issue of those roads streets were initially created much error or in fact they've even become more narrow because of the overgrowth of weeds and grass onto those streets which if you looked at the street with in terms of the drivable piece of that street would be even narrower yeah and again that's a that's an element that this ordinance does address uh as well so what we're talking about here is just the standard uh for a brand new street developers going out and building it here's what the standard's gonna be so staff staff is recommending adding back in that rural standard and again i guess the when the planning commission made their motion to keep the wider streets that was just an unanticipated impact that that we didn't think of until after the meeting and so staff is supportive of adding that back in and so the proposal keeps most right-of-way widths the same that's the amount of space for the streets but again we get more area than just the pavement width

[2:32:27] because there's there's area for utilities and sometimes sidewalks and street lights and all of that kind of stuff is in that what we call the parkway basically between the edge of pavement and the edge of the right-of-way and in a rural area for example there's a bar ditch or something sometimes but again most of the right-of-way widths will stay the same but we've recommended increasing them in a couple of cases for major arterials and major collectors what we found is in many cases there's just not enough room especially as we see you know some of these underground you know fiber optic we see more cellular those small cellular kinds of things that can go into the right of way you've got street lights sidewalks uh fire what i'm confused about is aren't most of the major and minor streets already built so i'm not sure how many more major miners that we intend to build in this city but we're changing something to increase the width of something that's already built for the most part yes so this would apply largely to new areas but we do have a lot of areas that are growing twin mountain for example as growth continues developers are building twin mountain as that moves towards 67 so that'd be an example of where this might apply but it also applies to redevelopment so if if we if we have a constricted area and somebody's coming in to redevelop a large area we often require them to dedicate an additional like five feet of of right-of-way to get to this new standard so again back into leg view is a good example so we're going to go further and further into someone's lawn to get this land to do this well it could be but again we've we've only recommended increasing the right-of-way for major arterials and major collectors so it's it's there aren't any of those in lakeview there probably are some again those homes are typically built well back from the street so number one we don't see a lot of redevelopment up there that requires replating but when we do if they had to give an additional five feet of the front of their property for an extra space on the roadway that

[2:34:29] typically doesn't create a problem although i will mention what so you say that i want to know does the owner of the land think that well it's easy to say it depends on the circumstances but but there is a variance process to that as well so but then they have to file that their expense they're going through in order for this to apply in any case they're already going through a subdivision plat process anyway and so it's just asking for the variance through that same process all you're doing is two lots on a block and the rest of the houses are developed already and what i was about to mention was that there is a variance process and in those cases where it's just one lot or two lots that are redeveloping those are almost always granted if if you've already got a pavement on a street that's existing you've got the right-of-way that's existing it usually doesn't make sense to ask for five or ten feet from that that property if only one or two are developing on the other hand if it's a major redevelopment in a commercial area it often is a good idea to get that extra right of way because it may be needed for water lines or you know whatever is going in so this typically wouldn't create a problem for uh one of those redevelopment areas um which brings well this brings us to the third element which is existing streets one of the things that our current ordinance doesn't do that this will do is create a minimum width that's smaller than the standard width and that's largely for areas that are already developed and it's exactly the circumstance you mentioned if you've got an already developed area and the street was only built to 30 feet wide under our current ordinance if they come in to redevelop they have to widen that street to 36 or 40 feet wide or ask for a variance from that what this would do is say no if if you've got an existing street out there that's a certain width it can largely stay at that width now i will mention if it's below that

[2:36:30] minimum width which is largely based on fire fire lane requirements which is 26 feet on a local street if you're less than 26 feet then you are going to have to widen it to that 26 largely to meet the fire truck fire code standards but you wouldn't have to widen it to the 40 feet which is an accommodation for that circumstance of already existing developed areas and so here's just a listing again i won't read through all of them but those minimum widths so for example on a local street as i mentioned if you're building a brand new local street it's going to have to be 40 feet but if it's an existing you can go down to as low as 26 feet all new subdivisions would be 40 feet that's correct that's that's the recommendation of planning commission and that's our current ordinance standard as well so for example even a major arterial we get redevelopments on major streets and we're often having to either ask them for more pavement more right of way or they're having to seek a variance from that this would be an automatic process they wouldn't have to even ask for a variance if they meet that minimum width it would just be an automatic approval again this is that same map in case there are questions about well what's an arterial what's a collector which streets does those apply to so this does come with a recommendation from staff for approval as i mentioned the planning commission also recommended approval by a 4-2 vote but as i mentioned at the beginning they did recommend keeping our current width standards for minor collectors in local streets instead of narrowing them because of the not requiring the sidewalk on those streets i think my biggest challenge is on the rural streets when you have a one-acre or larger um plot plots plots lots in a rural area i'm not so sure we would want to maintain the same standard in a rural development

[2:38:33] as defined as a rural development versus a street within their traditional well and as i mentioned that was the thing that russell i think was going to speak to and staff is supportive of that request to cr to put back in the current rural standard which would allow for 30 feet instead of 40 in those rural areas i support that just a note that will need to be part of the motion if that's the feeling of the council they have to answer any questions if you have other questions for john no questions for john um who to approve with the uh addition of the 30 feet for the rural areas thank you harry and may i have a second in a second by tommy public comment please brian benson uh clearview custom homes and president of the home builders association of san angelo uh again just on this note 2 working with uh city staff we appreciate the collaboration and we are full approval of your motion with the adding of the rule keeping that 30 feet thank you thank you for the public comment my name is david jensen i'm a developer um we've developed in the city some and then it's um quite a bit out of the etj um buffalo heights and crustoval and a few other areas i would like to ask the city council to consider going back to that 36 foot width without sidewalks um that extra cost is going to cost the developer

[2:40:37] and the city a lot of money and i really think that 36 feet is is sufficient i think there is maybe some confusion early on a lot of the builders felt like they would prefer to build 40 foot wide rather than 36 and a sidewalk but anyway i'd like for the council to consider that um and also i guess tom james has already talked about putting the 30-foot width in the tj we have probably a large project we'll begin working on um kind of caddycorn for the bluffs on 2288 and our node and you know having to build the city standards in etj is difficult particularly on one acre tracks you know you often have 150 foot road frontage and at the cost of development it just makes it almost impossible to develop one acre tracks and have to comply with the same you know city streets uh requirements or whatever so i'd like you know for sure i want to you know second the putting back in the 30 foot width but um but in the city limits almost also consider that 36 foot rather than the 40 foot on the street with thank you russell gulley with skg i think i'm here on the right time now for for this one so appreciate the motion and adding in the 30 feet we would like to add back in you know not only kind of in hearing from developers but as a taxpayer for the the life cycle maintenance of streets we the developers put these streets in after the year warranty the taxpayers are paying for the maintenance

[2:42:40] of that street for here on out so you know we know the condition of the city streets of san angelo engineering is doing a great job with what they can so so any opportunity we have to narrow a street and and go from 40 to 30 if you know that's that's as san angelo grows and and now we're maintaining narrower streets so from a expenditure for the life of those streets we're saving money there so i think there was a little confusion maybe early on the developers and some people are thinking the requirement was if we go to 36 feet then that triggers automatically we have to do a sidewalk because that was the current that that is the current standard today but we were thinking and understanding uh that maybe it was it's just going to a straight 36 foot wide street without the sidewalks where it qualifies per the sidewalk ordinance as proposed so thank you for your consideration on this would be happy to answer any questions john can you review that information on this that they're referring to i guess i'm not sure what information the things that i if i understand it establishing a 30 a 40 foot standard width of a street without a sidewalk versus 36 inch with us without a sidewalk yes the and that's the current standard so we're really talking about a local street here um the the original proposal uh that staff had recommended the planning commission was that uh the the street be 36 feet wide regardless with or without a sidewalk um the planning commission recommended keeping our current standard of 40 feet if you don't have a sidewalk but then still allowing the 36 with a sidewalk so basically for a local street keeping our current standard instead of the reduced width standard is what the planning commission recommended

[2:44:44] so i will ask carrie if he would like to restate his motion and add that it would be of the local street would be at 36 inches with the sidewalk not the 40 inches let's say feet i said inches i'll correct that to the feet you can't get down on a 36 inch street so sorry i mean that's it's been a long morning that's what the ordinance is today i'd rather keep it at the 40 feet okay so the motion stays at this point as harry presented it as presented with the edition of the rural streets being reduced to 30 inches feet i need more coffee or maybe i've had too much coffee all right with that any further public comment rocky templin single member district 6. my draft of this is dated july 30th of 2018. that's when this began so there is a lot of confusion on street width sidewalks where to where not to when when to when not 2 when to deviate when to defer january 24th the memo stated to the planning commission whether to require sidewalks on minor collectors streets and single-family residential areas the consensus of the commission was to require sidewalks on arterial streets as well as major collector streets in addition the consensus was not to require sidewalks on local streets and single family areas the staff needs direction from the commission on this to resolve the issue was that january of this year it was january 24th of 2022

[2:46:48] and so so i think there was still some confusion that the 1959 code stated that you'd put in a 36-foot street you would put in a sidewalk if not you'd put in a 40-foot street and you did not have to put in a sidewalk that's where that came from was 1959 so i think we're still at consensus we've given and taken for four years and so i think that's where we are on a local street and then a minor collector a major collector's 50 to 48 feet and a minor collector is 50 to 48 feet that's confusing in itself because there are two different collectors and so but you can take a minor collector and go down to 40 foot with a sidewalk so if a local street is now going to be 40 foot then why can't i take it down to 30 foot and put in a sidewalk thank you 30 or 36 thirty well i am confused for the public comment okay so the motion is to accept as presented with the addition of the change of rural street going from uh 40 or 36 or 40 whichever it is down to 30. and with that we'll take a vote all in favor of that motion say aye all right all those uh disagreeing say nay nay okay you want to vote again no joy hands no it's six to one he was going to try to change her mind i haven't

[2:48:50] there was a time in my life where blonde could do that with that we'll move on to item c no item b sorry item b good morning i think it's still morning this is regarding the spring creek marina and the lease property the property that golden enters antlers leases from the city for spring creek marina this is a copy of the current site plan which exists in amendment one and just to clarify things we have the lease with spring creek marina amendment one added this new property that's on the east end of the spring creek marina and this exhibit is part of that lease amendment amendment two uh modified some language in the lease that took out the language regarding special events and it delayed the payment plan based on effects of the pandemic amendment three added a few parcels on the other side of the marina including the restroom so that that's why this would be amendment four if it is approved and i'll go over the site plan changes here in a second on what we're voting on today so amendment four is what just simply the site the general site development plan that exhibit that's the only thing so a handful of years ago this property was rezoned pd and so that required it to go to the planning commission when golden antlers requested the site plan changes it did go to the planning commission they approved it including what you see here a modification of the new restaurant a water tank added for fire suppression and additional parking

[2:50:53] a condition was that the restroom that was located near the cantina on the first site plan was removed and moved to the center of the property by the lift station also golden antlers were required to submit a final general site plan to the planning department for their administrative review which has been done and they reiterated the importance of keeping that southern finger down here as a natural area no development no storage leave it natural so it did go through the planning commission process i'll show the maps here in a second but just going over the adjustments right quick one of the row of rv spaces was shifted away from the water's edge moved more into the center of the property i mentioned the restroom location shifting the splash pad that was down further south has been shifted closer to the north northern part of the tip to create kind of like a recreational area the parking has shifted a little bit the small pavilion location shifted slightly the water tank was added for fire suppression and the dining area the restaurant area was modified now the reason why this is coming to city council for consideration is because our lease does state this any deviations from the site plan requires uh council's written approval which means for me that means a lease amendment i think these request changes are very positive for the development of this property and add value to our property the city's property that's correct here's the cert current site plan [Music] and here is um the proposed one so as you see the one rv row has been

[2:52:56] moved back to here this one still stays the same the restroom that was up here is now down here the splash pad that was down here is that up here the parking up here has been shifted around a little bit it's just it looks different but it's still in the same general area the pavilion that was here is now here this water tank was added and this dining area looks a little different and i'll back up just to show it again the structures are now round as opposed to rectangular so those were well it fits the landscape better i'm sorry it seems to fit into the landscape better it looks more interesting and that's good so again what we're seeking is approval of the site plan adjustments amending the lease amendment which is exhibit a3 again this is just a general site development plan if there are future adjustments and there may be it'll have to go back through the planning commission and back to city council and if you want we could put it on the consent agenda next time if you want to discuss it then you can pull it let's i think it should go back to consent if there's a further development on it but at this point i would like a motion to approve item b with without any public comment okay too slow no public comment we'll take a vote all in favor say aye aye motion passes seven zero we will now move into item c consider awarding f s three fs-03-22 dump trucks to multiple vendors in the amount of 988 997 for the purchase of five units with the option to purchase two additional units utilizing water reclamation

[2:54:59] operating budget and fund balance from stormwater and general funds and authorizing the city managed manager to negotiate and execute all related documents ryan euron good morning i'll be very brief if i may and would be happy to elaborate if needed this item is requesting approval for the bid as as proposed for the purchase of five trucks with the option to purchase two more for multiple vendors which include lone star truck group and roberts truck center here in town this is the breakdown if i may of the trucks proposed two trucks out of general fund four stream bridge one truck from the water reclamation fund for water reclamation and then two trucks once again out of the storm water fund how does the stormwater pay for dump trucks through their general equipment replacement budget i know that but i mean why would the stormwater fund pay for a dump truck they use those trucks for multiple operations material movement debris management some the storm-related debris we often use that department for things like that so they use they don't have a considerable number of trucks we have three trucks in that department right now that are beginning to age three total trucks in the stormwater division dump truck the three total dump trucks in that division uh this is proposing to replace two of those trucks questions for ryan all these local you buying all the trucks local that you can yes sir when we can absolutely okay are these locals these are local yes they're both from a lone star truck group which is the freightliner dealer and robert's truck center which is an international dealer you're going to dispose of the ones they're replacing most of these trucks are replacements there are a few of them and i can elaborate on uh additions that we're adding to our fleet where i'm

[2:57:02] going is when these go back out of argus they go back out you auction them off and you bring that money back in to go to what budget does the one that you get rid of from storm water go back to the storm water budget yes sir all surplus funds go back to the fund in which the unit was purchased i'm good with that move approval a second second second by karen any public comment seeing none we'll take a vote all in favor say aye aye motion passes seven zero we will move on to the last item on the agenda which is item f consider the fine as it relates to the city council's roles through may 2023 one selecting a mayor pro tem two appointing the city council members to boards and committees presentation made by city clerk julia and tilly antholy so the first item is just required by the charter anytime a new council member is sworn in the council is um directed to appoint a mayor pro tem at their next meeting so i ask that tom thompson continue to be mayor pro tem second second second any public comment on that oh here they come i get a vote now i have served that position with honor for the three minutes i've had to do it i'll be more than happy to take it again with all of that we'll take a vote all in favor say aye aye motion passes 7-0 the next item okay the next item and there are many boards and commissions that the city council members are asked to serve on and with the vacancy caused by councilmember carter's resignation we do have an opening on the concho valley council of governments executive committee their general assembly the investment oversight committee and then ports to plains advisory board while not an official role we have in the past had

[2:59:06] backups and so we do have the ability to put somebody in that role if we'd like and they are a non-voting member so if they attend any of the ports to plains meetings they could represent the city's interest but they could not vote first thing i would ask is lane carter was on the executive committee but he had been on city council for some time so the question mark is with karen if someone if lucy you'd rather move up to the executive committee on the council council valley government yeah that'd be fine so you i i would suggest that lucy move up to the executive committee and karen take lucy's position as general assembly okay and and council member gonzalez is currently serving on the general assembly so there would be a second vacancy as well yeah she just well i just said karen would fulfill her position yes and then we'll need one more person to so i see generals and so larry do you want to do that certainly okay all right so then the investment oversight committee the investment oversight committee you want to describe what that is tina might be a better fit for that and then we'll ask karen if she feels comfortable doing it being her first year on the council and if she doesn't we'll discuss a secondary another person instead but i think she needs to understand what that means in terms of the role thank you mayor tina dierski director of finance the investment oversight committee oversees all of the city's investments as well as the development corporation's investments we are governed by the public funds investment act of the state of texas and we meet quarterly usually during the lunch hour to go over our quarterly investment report with our investment advisor as well as our external auditors and two external financial advisors karen does that is that something that

[3:01:10] you feel comfortable doing being your first year on council i noticed that no one is waving their hands around no because let me speak up i have done that in my previous service on the council if karen doesn't want to i am glad to do that since i have a feel for what they do and i think that makes sense someone who's been on council longer being in that position because it is important okay so i'm glad to do it thank you all right and the last one is sports to plane advisory board again it's non-voting i'm the treasurer of ports to planes and at this point i haven't missed anything but um i think it would be fine to continue with that position and i think it would be good to have karen involved in that if there's agreement from everyone yeah okay so what else do you need okay so if we could just get um i have um moving um council member gonzalez to the executive committee and adding both council members karen hessey smith and larry miller to the general assembly then council member hebert for the investment oversight committee and then council member jesse smith for ports to planes in the non-voting role could i get a motion for that i'll make that motion second by larry any public comment with none we'll take a vote all in favor say aye aye motion passes seven zero we will now that completes our regular agenda there is no closed session today there are no follow-up and administrative issues so at this point we will ask for a motion for adjournment may i have one who made the motion tommy did and second by larry any objections from council members with none we are formally adjourned with a 7-0 vote you

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