San Angelo City Council 5-14-13

[0:00:00] go ahead and call the meeting to order this morning. Let me start us off uh with a prayer and then I'll have some help uh on the pledges. Okay, want bow your heads and join me in prayer, please. Lord God, we thank you for this day and we're especially appreciative of the recent rains and Lord, we ask that you send us abundant rains to fill our reservoirs and to take care of our city and to take care of the surrounding communities and area. God, thank you for those who uh chose to run for office and for the vote this last Saturday. Uh God, we ask your blessing on those and guidance for those who were elected and and Lord, we ask even more for your blessing and and guidance for those who are still running. And and uh God, we um we truly appreciate them and and ask your your u your oversight for what they do and how they conduct themselves the next six weeks while they work their way through a runoff election. Lord, I pray that you will guide all of us on this council to do the right things and the best that we can during the transition as we watch players come and go the next few weeks and ask God that we do u your will as we move forward. Lord, thank you for all those who protect us and thank you for all the blessings that you provide us. Help us to see the good in all that we do and and to see the good in all around us. We ask all of this in your son's name. Amen. Excuse me. I'm being joined this morning by Hi Carlson who's a sixth grader and Hayden Carlson who's a third grader and they're representing today Angelo Catholic

[0:02:01] School and they're helping me with the pledges to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Honor the Texas flag. I aliance to the Texas. One state under God. One and indivisible. Great job. [Applause] Thank you. Still learning. I'm still learning how to walk. You participating in the wellness program I see there. Yeah. Nice, nice sprint. Good job. Okay. Um, the first thing I have this morning is a employee health and fitness month. And I I noticed that some of the folks that are going to join me up here came running in just now from a previous meeting. So, if if I can get the group up here. I'm looking for Eric Becker, Cheryl Fluger, uh, and are Janet I don't see is Janet around? I didn't see her. And Mary. Is Mary here? Do you know? Okay. Outstanding. Y'all come over here with me. How are you this morning? Hi, Cheryl. How are you? How are you doing? I'm well. Let me read the proclamation. There we go. The proclamation. Whereas global employee health and fitness month began in 2011 and is a national and international invitation to workplace wellness. And whereas global health global employee health and fitness month is celebrated annually during the month of May. And whereas the

[0:04:03] goal of global employee health and fitness month is to promote the benefits of a healthy lifestyle to employers and their employees through work site health promotion activities and environments. And whereas work site health and wellness programs improve the overall health and productivity of a workforce. And whereas employee health and fitness promotion provides a good return on investment. And whereas the city of St. Angelo has a significant and rising number of work sites including major employers offering opportunities for employee health and fitness enhancement. And whereas the employers in the city of St. Angelo are joining thousands of others across the United States in holding employee health and fitness events during the month of May 2013. Now therefore, I Alvin New, mayor of the city of St. Angelo, Texas, on behalf of the city council, do hereby proclaim the month of May as employee health and fitness month. You guys like to speak? I just want to say thank you to the council and the mayor. uh you know certainly we're in the business of health care and and really we take that in terms of the total amount of health care not just you know treating someone when they're sick. It's easier to catch them on the front end and do things that can prevent any kinds of episodes of sickness. So uh we do appreciate you guys uh giving this proclamation today and just bringing the awareness of fitness and and healthy lifestyle to the community. Outstanding. Thank you very much. Thank you. [Applause] Um, let me ask um Joe Estrada. Is Joe here? No. You know of anything? Okay. Okay. I'm going to go ahead and read this proclamation and then we'll we'll hold it for the the folks. This is a proclamation today concerning

[0:06:05] the motorcycle safety and awareness month which is also May of 2013. the proclamation. Whereas today's society is finding more citizens involved in motorcycleycling on the roads of our country and whereas motorcyclists are roughly unprotected and therefore more prone to injury or death in a crash than other vehicle drivers. And whereas campaigns have helped inform riders and motorists alike on motorcycle safety issues to reduce motorcycle related risks, injuries, and most of all fatalities through a comprehensive approach to motorcycle safety. And whereas it is the responsibility of all who put themselves behind the wheel to become aware of motorcyclists, regarding them with the same respect as any other vehicle traveling the highways of this country. And it is the responsibility of riders and motorists alike to obey all traffic laws and safety rules. and whereas urging all citizens of our community to become aware of the inherent danger involved in operating a motorcycle and for riders and motorists alike to give each other the mutual respect they deserve. Now therefore, I, Alvin Newu, mayor of the city of St. Angelo, Texas, on behalf of the city council, do hereby proclaim the month of May is motorcycle safety and awareness month. Joe, well, come on up. I'm sorry. It's all right. He couldn't be here today. He had some doctor's appointments. Okay. So, he asked me to show up and uh Outstanding. Would you like to say anything or would you like just to accept the proclamation? I just like to thank everybody for Well, come on. We'd like to thank y'all for being aware that motorcycles are out there and we're littleer than y'all are. So, you know, if you could just look for us. It hurts a little more when you hit us than if you hit a car. But god forbid you eat anybody, but just look for us a little bit. We appreciate it. Thank you. Outstanding. [Applause] I'm messing you up today, aren't I,

[0:08:09] Brian? All right. Uh, finally today, I'd like to uh invite Chief. Are you bringing other others with you? I see an assistant or three outstanding. How are you, man? Oh, my life's good. We are um in the middle well in the early mid part of police week which is May the 12th through May the 18th 2013 and we have peace officers memorials day May the 15th. Uh and so I'd like to read a proclamation to you. Whereas in 1962, President John F. Kennedy signed a proclamation which designated May the 15th as Peace Officers Memorial Day and the week in which it falls as police week. And whereas this week is dedicated to pay tribute to those officers who have died in the line of duty. And the St. Angelo Police Department will have a number of planned events to honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice. And whereas the members of the law enforcement agencies of St. Angelo and Tom Green County unceasingly provide vital public services and play an essential role in safeguarding the rights and freedoms of the citizens of St. Angelo and Tom Green County. And whereas it is important all citizens know and understand the problems, duties, and responsibilities of their law enforcement agencies, and that members of our law enforcement agencies recognize their duty to serve the people by safeguarding life and property by protecting them against violence and disorder, and by protecting the innocent against deception and the weak against oppression or intimidation. And now, therefore, I, Alvin New, mayor of the city of St. Angelo, Texas, on behalf of the city council, do hereby proclaim May the 12th through May the

[0:10:12] 18th, 2013 as police week. Okay. Sure. Thank you. Just to say few words. Uh first off, we're very appreciative of the support that we're receiving from the community. Uh it seems to be coming more and more, especially, I think, with everybody seeing what's uh ahead of us. Uh we've had uh yesterday was our flag raising ceremony and uh you know in that we we I discussed a little bit about some of the officers that have died through in the state of Texas and where Texas ranks. Uh but one thing that I wanted to point out that uh we're not immune as our community. We're not immune uh to that potentially happening happening here. Uh considering we've had officer involved shootings in the last few years. Um today is a quiet day for us at the station. We're going to have a luncheon just for officers. Tomorrow afternoon's our ecumenical where we'll have an actual church service uh to remember the officers in the state of Texas that died in the last year. And then Thursday night we have another private event for officers and their families. Uh but again, thank you for your support. [Applause] Well, before they run off, these guys uh are terrific about how they handle things for the mayor and and particularly uh Chief Martinez. Thank you very much for what you've done helping me over the last three and a half years. I wanted to say that before you went back. All of them bring invaluable uh experience and and direction to the council and do great things. But uh when you're dealing with certain activities that happen in the in the city, uh uh assistant chief Martinez has always been the one that would call me and tell me what was going on and make sure I was up to speed. And they're they're taking care of everything from the perspective of on the ground. They're taking care of everything from the perspective of what the public needs to know and just on and on. These guys are very thorough, do a great job from the top to the bottom. So, I'm very appreciative of you guys. Thank you very much. [Applause] Okay.

[0:12:30] Public comment. The council takes public comment on all items in the regular agenda. Public input on a regular agenda item will be taken at its appropriate discussion. Public input on an item not on the agenda or consent agenda may be identified and requested for consideration by the council at this time. The council may request an item to be placed on a future agenda and uh or for the consent agenda or for a consent agenda item to be moved to the regular agenda for public comment. Uh before I open that up, let me walk through uh uh what's going on here today and just kind of do my best to explain how this process is going to work. There are there may be some who uh because there was an election Saturday are wondering why a meeting on the 14th after the 11th involves exactly the same council members uh that were here before the 11th. And so I I want to try to walk you through that right quick. Okay. The way the election works, uh the election is held. The the votes are then counted, but then there is a legal process called the canvasing of the votes. And the canvasing of the votes for May the 11th will be handled in our meeting next week on May the 21st. So the council is currently still the council until the legal process of canvasing that vote takes place. The canvasing will take place uh on the 21st. The members that won clearly uh in the election will be seated at that time. So single member district 2 will have a new person sitting at the at the days uh a week from now after we do the canvasing. Uh the that was uh Marty Self and uh the single member district 4 uh election was also clearly won and so single member district 4 will have a new uh sitting councilman after the canvasing next week

[0:14:32] and that will be uh Don Vaman. So those two gentlemen will take their seats uh on the 21st. those who were involved in a runoff who did not win 50% or more that runoff election takes place on June the 15th. So under the charter or under the rules uh those folks who are representing those seats will remain sitting council members and in fact the sitting mayor uh until that runoff election is held on June the 15th. Uh we will then have a canvasing of that election which will likely be around the 25th. Uh I think is a Tuesday if we hold to Tuesdays, but we have until I think the 26th under the law, Wednesday the 26th. Uh so we'll have some type of meeting and and canvas the votes from the runoff election. And so at that time you'll see a new mayor. You'll see a new person in single member district 1 and a new person in single member district five. So oh and I I'm sorry I left it out because it's it didn't jump off the page at me. We will also during next week's uh meeting canvas the votes for single member district 6 and and councilwoman Farmer won that clearly and so she will be receated formally next week uh during that meeting. So we will have um Mr. Self, Mr. Vardman, and Miss Farmer uh seated during the canvasing of the election next week. And then June 15th, we'll be we will have a runoff. Until that time, until around June the 26th, the council members are Mr. Alexander, uh Mr. Hersshfeld, and the mayor is is yours truly. So that'll hold until we have the runoff on June 15th and the canvasing of that election. And then then the players will change uh at that time. So back to the prayer earlier that we all get through the different

[0:16:33] transitions and looks of this body over the next few weeks and do our business. Um uh then then that's what we're, you know, that's what we're supposed to do and the duty we have and so we'll move forward. I hope I explained that appropriately, but so you're going to see this group today. You're going to see a different group next week and then you're going to see even a different group after sometime after June the 15th. That's just the way this deal works. So, okay. Uh, so now let me open this up. Is there anything on the consent agenda or or so forth that someone on the council would like to move? Yes. Okay. Mr. Mayor, I'd like to move item number two, 4, six, and seven to the regular agenda, please. Okay. Okay. So, I have a request to move items 2 4 6 and 7 to the regular agenda from the consent agenda. I also uh would like to ask that we take item 20 and move it to a future agenda. So, just take it off the agenda completely and move it to a future agenda. Thank you. Okay. And I'll make a motion to approve the agenda minus 247 720. Okay. All right, I have a motion and a second. Any further uh points by councel? All right, let me call for that vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. I. Okay. Uh any opposed? Okay, that motion carries. Now, let me see if there's any public comment at this time. Come on up. Mr. Ryan, I see one coming in front of you. Craig Myers with WTOS and uh good morning. Address U council members, those who will be council members, those who may be mayor, whoever's here that might have anything to do with anything. Um I was uh privileged to sit in on the housing meetings thinking about what was going to occur in terms of the impact of the oil boom etc. It seems to me that there you have a full agenda. you've got things in your plate, you've got water

[0:18:38] uh issues. Uh on the other hand, it would be very economically foolish to forget about the things that are ongoing that need some maintenance. And as we've mentioned several times here, about eight years ago, we had four neighborhoods representing a high proportion of our city that were blighted. And they aren't anymore because of the work that's been done with very little tax money that has really transformed them in ways that doesn't occur anywhere else. It just doesn't occur that way. But there's some things that are going to have to be done and some that are going to have to be maintained in order to after we get through dealing with the oil boom impact uh find that we're back where we were eight years ago. Uh one of these is 19th Street. Uh I'd like to refer you to the fact that uh 19th Street is the only thoroughare by which the two sides of Blackshere the residents get to go back and forth and the people on the west side it's their only means of access uh with a street light that allows them to get across 87 to go to the bank to recreation in the park to uh arrive at uh places where they can get social services or the only grocery store that's within walking distance. If you might have noticed in the article by Casey Jones and Ken Stewart, looking at all the different areas, uh, we've already known that the highest proportion of lowincome people in St. Angelo live in the Blackshere area. But I think that it was kind of startling to realize that 40% of the elderly in the Black Shear area live at or below the poverty level. Uh, those are largely people that have grown up there. they've lived there and they'll probably die there. With the revitalization in the new houses, there's a significant number of younger families that have moved into those new houses and the apartment complex that has been renovated and they

[0:20:40] have a lot of kids. But being low income, that's the highest population of people who depend on foot traffic to get where they need to go. And the only way to get there is 19th Street. And there are no sidewalks on 19th Street. and uh it's very very busy. Six years ago or so, city of St. Angelo recognized that and planned to put sidewalks on the north side of 19th Street. A grant was achieved. Uh the work was done because WTOS had been doing volunteer work and survey work and were a bridge to that community. Uh city staff asked that we canvas the people on one side and solit solicit their participation because when they widened 19th Street, the city gave up its rights to easement there and there was no land. They were going to have to give up their u land for sidewalks. We did that and almost unanimously the people were in favor of it, but the time consumed caused the grant time to run out so that there was no possibility of completing it. So the money was uh given over to other sidewalks which were important but not critical north and south on Brown and east and west on 17th and 16th. Right now traffic is increasing. Our elderly people have to walk on the sidewalks I mean on the street or else they wind up uh on somebody's lawn and it's back and forth. It's just not safe at all. A lot of things that the city is doing are important. uh they're correcting inconveniences, but this is crisis to the people who live there. They don't have any other alternatives. There are 15 churches either side of 19th people walk to walk across whatever. So, we'd ask two things of you. One is if you would refer to the appropriate departments a study of this again with an eye toward coming up with the money to reestablish the process of getting a sidewalk on 19th Street. um and if there is not grant money to raise it up on the

[0:22:47] capital improvement fund so that it gets done before somebody's seriously hurt. And secondly, as you look at traffic flow and you're talking about what streets will carry it, would you please uh take into consideration exempting 19th Street from any of the heavy truck traffic from the oil field because that residential area just can't handle it. So, I'd answer any questions you have, but I appreciate your time and consideration. Anything? Um, okay. Some somewhere near we need clarity. Uh, and there's a possible issue. We'll make sure that city staff is up to speed with Mr. Bailey leaving, but the fact is there's a mill and overlay project that is approved and scheduled on 19th Street from the railroad tracks to Highway 87. uh which which when we put that in place we uh instructed that there be curb and gutter uh and that we look at the sidewalk issue. So my perspective uh Mr. Meyer is that this is supposed to be a project that is approved and supposed to be happening. So I think what we need is followup and so let me ask that we get that follow with Mr. Bailey leaving. I think that sometimes things get lost in the process. Let's make sure we get the followup and that because I think that we're supposed to be moving forward on this pro on this uh particular issue right now. The only thing you said that I'm not sure what the what the needs are uh you know there's a yard or two that are west of the railroad tracks that probably already have heavy equipment uh and trucks coming and going and so forth. So I not I'm not so much problem problem that doesn't that's not problematic. That's that's something that exists. But if you try to go from 67, you know, or So you're talking about if someone cuts off of Glenna Road, goes through Junius and 19th that that that's what or they or they go down to uh like Van Beerren and just cut over to the bypass. You know that that

[0:24:48] I wanted to understand what you were saying. Okay. Thanks. Okay. Mr. Ryan, did you want to speak? Uh, good morning, Jim Ryan. Um, in case anyone is concerned, I intend not to endorse or advise or even mention anyone by name. But having followed local affairs as long as I have, I know what a commitment it takes to run for office. And there were moments when it seemed like we were going to have 16% of the registered voters file and run uh let alone vote. I do wish we had had a better turnout. But on the other hand, we beat the heck out of San Antonio, which had less than 7%. Uh, I guess what I'm here for is, uh, I want to thank each and every one of you, all of you there and some behind me and everyone who took the trouble to file and run. I sincerely thank you and I think it is splendid that we have that sort of participation in St. Angelo. Me too. Thanks. Thank you. Okay, come on up. Good morning. Good morning. My name is Jim Turner. Just a couple quick things. Uh first off, uh I am very concerned about the process that's going through on some of the changes to the city's website. Uh there is a domain name San Angelo texas us. That's been used pretty much from the beginning at least for the last several years and that's in everybody's address book. It

[0:26:52] is also on all the outside links that people have to content within the page. I have heard that they are getting ready to replace that with Kosatx US something about it being more userfriendly etc etc well the reality is there are two problems with that first off San Angelo texas US is a very descriptive name that's easy to remember and is very user friendly in its own right coast of Texas you kind of have to think a lot about in order to make the connection between KOSA and city of San Angelo, even though it's a very common abbreviation. There's a lot of places that use that. The second thing is there's nothing that prevents a website from having more than one address that goes directly to the same content. And the cost of maintaining a second domain name is almost negligible. It is less than the cost of a Happy Meal per year. And it makes no sense to cause the external costs and external burden on the people that deal with San Angelo to change everything when the cost of maintaining that extra domain name is probably going to be nothing because of the domain names and the business you already have. And I'm very concerned about the procedure that was done when staff didn't consult anybody outside of staff to reach this decision also. And I really think this should be brought forward at a future meeting and explain how the public is going to be involved in the city's website online connections and having a two-way communications channel between the city and the citizens online. Thank you. Thank you. Come on up. Good morning.

[0:29:01] Good morning. I'm Sally Ayana, a recent candidate for single member district 4 city council. I wanted to thank you all for the opportunity of giving me this uh chance to run for the office. And at this time, I want to congratulate Mr. Don Vman, I know that you've just said that there's still some other uh things that you need to do uh in the future, but at this time I wanted to say it. And um I want to thank all of the voters and my um treasurer, Mr. Jesse Martinez, my public relation manager, my campaign advisors, the many supporters who donated uh to my campaign, and the tireless work from my volunteers who includes my family, the children, my uh mother and my siblings. And to Mr. Vardman, I am looking forward to your representing and meeting the needs of the other can the other taxpaying voters uh in district 4 and within the whole city and I want to say best wishes and thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Sally. Okay, other public comment. Outstanding. Let me move us on then to item number two on the consent agenda. Morning, mayor, council, good morning. This is the consideration of awarding a bid and it was uh requested that we talk about it by Miss Farmer. So, Miss Farmer, how about if uh uh we we walk through what you're needing and let Mr. Dixon try to help us. Works for me. Go ahead. Uh I simply um since it has to do with water treatment plant, uh it wasn't clear in the way it appeared on the

[0:31:04] agenda that uh this is the existing plant or re rehab of work that's being done there or if this is on the new building. I would just like for you to start and explain what it is we're doing and what you're requesting. This is on the existing water treatment plant. This is just a one of the chemicals that um we're using for the water treatment. This polymer works with the other coagulants that we use in the water treatment plant to help uh get rid of the suspended solids in the water as it comes in in the raw water. Um this helps with the organic compound removals which helps us with the trial of methane removal that's required by the state. So it is u just routine routine maintenance of the existing plant. Existing plant. Yes ma'am. Is this amount of money in the budget? Yes. It's already in the budget. Okay. Motion to approve as presented. Second. Okay. I have a motion and a second to take on item two as presented. Any other comment? Call for this vote. All those in favor please say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Let's move on to item number four. Miss Farmer. the uh consideration of approving the renewal of residential leases for the following properties. This these are out at the lake. Correct. Yes, ma'am. And we had had a meeting a few months ago plus I had requested meeting before last that this be discussed the wording in the leases with reference to the percentage points in their the proper rate. Uh, and to my knowledge, this has not come back to council to correct any past items in the least. And I don't want to continue just approving and renewing at the same old item that was in there before we clarify that interest rate in there that has been of question. That's the reason I brought it up at this time. And Mr. Mayor, I know that you're aware of that meeting and what I'm referring to and possibly you can guide us as to how we should handle these renewals before we get that clarification.

[0:33:07] Okay. Did uh I guess the question first off is is is it uh the renewal as as the lease has been uh operated under for some period of time or is there any kind of update toward the the deadline of leasing and selling and all the things that are involved out there at the lake? The main we have not um proceeded with an overall revision. We're working on that of the rates, but under this lease, the amendment is appropriate as it stands. Okay. Let me But here we're just under the existing terms of the lease prior to renewal. Same. Yes. The same. So there's not been any clarification or Okay. So, uh, would you like to make a motion that we pull this item and look at it again and give them a little time to Yes, I would. I I do want to pull the item and I would like to I know that I had suggested that I work with uh Alicia Alisia, excuse me, and I'm available now to work with you and to bring you up to date on the meeting as as I don't know about the mayor, but uh I have my notes and I'd like to meet with you this week if it's possible in the meeting. I will look forward to that. Thank you. Okay, that's a good idea. Okay. Um, I have a motion to pull this item and consider it at a future agenda item. I'll second it. All right. I have a motion and a second to pull this and consider it at another time. Uh, any further comment? Let me call for that vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Item has been removed from the agenda. Will be considered again at a future agenda. Uh, let's go to item number six. Miss Farmer. Yes. the consideration of adopting a lease authorizing the use out at Foster Communication Coliseum parking lot. Uh, I really would like some more information about this and and I'm going to explain to you what has brought this up. Saturday being election day, I my phone rang off the hook with complaints from the existing permit or whatever was going on downtown. And uh as I was

[0:35:13] looking at this, I thought I really need to know what we're leasing the parking lot out for. What kind of entertainment? What kind of business? How does it affect the neighborhoods out there since it's open open air? So I'd like some explanation. ACT partners with Howard College and actually provides a professional truck driving course. So they would be using the coliseum, a portion of the coliseum strictly for parking and for pre-truck inspection. So, primarily they're they've parked their semi-truck there and they look under the hood, do their pre it's a course. It's a class that they're required to take for Howard through Howard College. Okay. And we would be leasing this parking lot to them at a rate of $50 a day, but they don't have the same parking lot capability at Howard. I I'm just worried about that kind of traffic in that particular area. You know, the very narrow street right there in front of the coliseum and traffic. I mean, uh, I'm sure that Mr. Morrison can, uh, provide information as to you're talking big 18-wheelers. Yes, ma'am. And it it's one at a time. It's not that there's several at once. Um, we, uh, we have worked with Howard College. They currently don't have a facility to do that. They're building one at the time. And this is a short-term lease contract. It's 6 months. So, we're that's giving them enough time to complete the parking lot that they're currently constructing. Okay. They also conduct those things when it's not during our activity hours. Correct. We get the schedule ahead of time to make sure it doesn't conflict with anything we have going on at the double up on any activities, arts and craft fairs or anything that is going on out there. And and it does meet a need for the CDL uh driving um at this point that there is a shortage and and right now the closest uh place they can go is Abene. Is that correct? That's correct. Motion to approve as presented. Okay. I have a motion to approve as presented and a second uh for Mr. Hzville. Do I have any other points on this before I call for the vote? Okay, call for the vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Item number seven, Miss Farmer. Mayor. Yes. This is Jamie Rainey with Howard

[0:37:14] College. And thank you very much. Um, we do have new construction that will hopefully start this summer at Howard College. And part of those plans will be a driving range. But you have been you have made it possible for us to train over hundred people over the last 12 months by allowing us to use the parking lot and we definitely coordinate with Anel Helico about what's happening there. We don't do it in and major event times. Um and and we are very courteous. Um our we know that we have to be that this is really a godsend to us for y'all to allow us to do this and we thank you very much. And so do the businesses that are hiring all those drivers. They also thank you. Thank you, Jamie. Item number seven. Seven. Uh, executing a supplemental lease uh out at the U airport uh between the city of St. Angelo and the United States of America. I just wanted some clarification to the public of stuff that's going on. Is this indeed the hanger that we visited um as a work group um where okay by what was it by Mecom or whoever was out there? of what among thank you. It's the quimi hanger um that one of the two hangers that amcom uh was renting and yeah they're they're executing their uh their right inside of the agreement to relinquish that that hanger. Who is USA? Um I wish I could give you more background. I've been at the airport for about six weeks so far. Um um Amcom I'm not I'm not I don't have a whole lot of uh information on that. I apologize. Lou uh is out of town uh right now. Um it's a branch of the government is MCOM is basically the kind of is the army it and this is essentially run out of Fort Hood. Okay. Is who administers Yamcom contract out there. And so it's it they're it's

[0:39:20] essentially the maintenance, the management facilities management type thing. I guess that's the best words. Okay. We're just not leasing to a foreign individual that's going to use the hanger for No. I just wanted to make it clear what it was. Yes, ma'am. Um motion to approve as presented. Second. Okay. I have a motion and a second to approve item seven as presented. Any further uh points by councel? Call for this vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Let's move then to item number eight in the regular agenda. This is the consideration of adopting a resolution implementing the drought level two of for the city of St. Angelo uh along uh following the guidelines of the water conservation and drought contingency plan. Presentation by our water utilities director Ricky Dixon. Morning mayor and council. I was hopeful after the recent rains that I could come this morning and pull this item, but unfortunately that's not the case. So, um, as stated in the memo, when I did this memo, we had 17.6 months of water supply currently available. As of yesterday, we're down to 17.2 months. So, the trigger point for drought level two, which is less than 18 months supply, has been reached. And we bringing this resolution this morning to adopt drop uh level two this morning. If adopted, it will be enforcable uh June the 1st and we will include the search charge billing beginning with the July billing of this year. So that's kind of where we stand. That would be readings effective June 1st. Right. That will be enforceable June 1st and with the July start that's when we will start charging with the July readings. Um so any reading again I want to make sure people are clear any reading that

[0:41:23] that happens on June 1st or after we get the search charges. No, those won't start till July to make sure that we have a clean month with without the usage charges if if there's any rollover because we read meters every day still. So, we want to give them a month. I I stand corrected. I I I got exactly what you're saying. It would be a meter reading effective July 1st. That's correct. But so, the period would start June 1st. I got you. I apologize. Billing would be August. I'm a little slow today. Right. Okay. Mr. Alexander, uh Ricky, I spoke with the water department several months ago and looked at programming and and I've said it to the council here at council. The on the water bill, we need to be able to see how much the search charge was. I know there's some technicalities within us that say, "Well, that's not a search charge. It's an overage fee and etc." And but I I want when I open up my bill to see that I was charged $42.83. 83 cents sir charge for the extra water I used over 10,000 gallons because all it all it appears is my bill went up and I don't know how much I was charged for search charge. I can't I can't see that. And I think when I can see that it explains why my bill is up and also it's going to encourage me to save water that I was over. You were definitely over. Here you go. Here's how much we charged you for it and that was extra I spent. Well, I don't want to do that again. So, I'm going to start lowering my usage. Uh so being clear like that is is part of transparency. Everything over the minimum on the drought level stage two that's a searchcharge cost is what you want broken out on the bill. The extra that they wouldn't have been charged if we weren't in a drought level. That's what I want to be shown. And and it can be done. Uh there's a comment box that can be programmed so that it looks at the extra charges, adds them up, sticks them in there, and then you put the verbiage in with it

[0:43:24] that you were charged this much extra because of drought level restrictions and and lower usage maximums. I don't know how you explain that simply, but you can do it if you have the time to think it out. Okay, we'll look and see if we can get it implemented by then. Thank you. Certainly will, Mr. Silvas. So Ricky, a couple of things. And first of all, let me say, Mr. Herszfield, I'm even slower than you this morning because now the drought level two starts June 1. That's correct. We're going to start enforcing the portions of drought level two beginning June 1. Those charges for drought level one will not start until we start reading July 1st. That's where I'm confused. It would only be for usage that start all any of your usage starting June the 1st. Here's where I here's where I think this is trying to go. And let me see if I'm if I'm if I help or hurt, but let's say you get your meter read on June the 3. That's reading usage from sometime in May. May, okay, up until June the 3. And so what they're saying is we're not going to charge you June 1st, 2nd, and 3 on this new rate and May, the 20 days or 30 days of May. So what they're saying is when that meter is read in June, it's really covering a May bill. When they read that meter the first part of July or the middle of July, that for sure is covering time that you were using water in June. So then what he's saying is we're going to put this thing in effect on June the 1st. So, whatever you do with your water on June the 1st, you're going to be operating under this new set of rules based on the new drought level. And we will read the meter July the 1st and and we know that water was used in June. So, you're going to pay the new higher fees. That's what he's trying to say. Now, tell the public what dry level two quickly what what it means because I know people have slept since then. So, just very brief. outside watering. How many days?

[0:45:31] Okay, just a minute. I brought it with me. God, we're going to be here till 2:30. At least at least 2:30. Am I correct that you can go to kosatx uswater to get this information? Not saying I'm just saying to the public, I think you can do that. I'm going to try it up. The use of treated or raw city water for watering lawns gardens, landscape areas, trees, shrubs, golf courses, or other plants being grown outdoors, not in nurse, shall be prohibited at all times except once every 7 days from the period of April 1st through October 31st and once every 14 days during the period of November 1 through March 31st, except during the preempted watering hours, which is from noon to 6. That's that's the big part of dry level two. And then there's the fees for different usages. But mainly just the the outside watering is what I wanted people to hear. Mr. Wilson. Yes. And and that website that I just mentioned. Hang on. Mr. Wilson is Mr. Wilson. There you go. He's asking a question about the website and how you will inform the public about what drought stage level two. Um, so do you have some guidance for how the public can look up what the look up what the rules are going to be? Yes, sir. Absolutely. Well, first of all, uh, as Councilman Alexander said, we always post this sort of information very prominently on the homepage of our website. In fact, we have a link there that says water information where hopefully you can learn anything and everything that you need to know about uh, our water situation here in St. Angelo. But in addition to that, we've already got a draft press release uh ready to send out after the council acts today so that we'll alert our uh media immediately. We'll obviously use all the other avenues at our disposal, which is our Facebook, our Twitter pages, and we'll post something on uh SATV, cable channel 17, and we'll look to do some sort of uh video that we can post on

[0:47:34] YouTube and on our cable channel as well. So, we'll simply use all of the avenues at our disposal to uh to alert the uh public here in the next couple of weeks. so that they'll know that effective June 1st that these are what the restrictions are. Okay. Thank you. Further questions or comments on this motion to approve? I have a motion to approve and a second. Do I have any further comment from council? Do I have public comment on this item before I call for the vote? Call for the vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. We are now uh entering drought level two. It'll be effective June the 1st. The readings in July will show what you used in June and any appropriate search charges will take care uh take place at that time. Uh next item is item number nine. This is the discussion and possible action on matters related to the city of St. Angelo animal shelter spay neuter assistance and adoption subsidy programs. There are items A, B, and C. We have a presentation by our health services director, Sandra Sandra Vieal. Good morning, Mayor Council. Again, good morning. Um, we are here to present and to hopefully get approval of a couple of programs that are designed to basically increase the number of live releases through an adoption subsidy program and hopefully decrease the number of animals euthanized at the shelter through a spayneuter assistance program. Uh hopefully we can get them spayed and neutered out there. There'll be less coming into the shelter and hopefully that will bring our euthanasia rates down. First of all, um I want to kind of go through some statistics. Um the first couple of slides are for um last calendar year 2012. Here are intake numbers, owner surrendered and stray, excuse me, which brings us a total of 9857

[0:49:36] abandoned or wanted animals, but the total intake was actually 10,113. includes wildlife and any of those that are um we had to seize for whatever reason cruelty and things like that. So that's our total intake for last year. Excuse me. And I just want to point out that this does include adoptable and unadoptable animals. We don't really have a grouping for these are not adoptable. So we don't they're just all together. Just wanted to point that out. Our outcome numbers, as you can see there, adoptions, euthanasia, owner redemptions, um the owners went back to to get their animals dead on arrival, died in custody, and miscellaneous wildlife. We got transferred out or, you know, we basically take wildlife elsewhere, but a total outcome of 9806. Now, that will not match your intake because this basically months are overlapping. So they just kind of overlap and so we may have some that we had to put down that were from December and vice versa. So and all of these are from our pet point shelter management system. It's a software that we started um using probably in the last year and a half. So it's been really relatively good for us. Now here's just a snapshot. The next three slides are snapshot of um a month and I just took March uh numbers. Um I started doing this in January so we get a little bit more detailed information. Our intake for March was 641 and you can see the breakup cats and dogs miscellaneous others dog pigs and horses and all of that. And um now this is just kind of something that we can we can give and the next three slides and I want to point out that these statistics have been offered to rescues because they believe that if we can give them a little bit more numbers they might be able to use them for educational purposes and for funding and all of that. So this is just a breakup and uh

[0:51:40] we were able to do that and basically you know we can try to use this to target you know either uh compliant or you know target ordinance violations or any kind of educational programs or anything like that based on zip codes. So that just kind of gives you a breakdown there. And also I was going to ask do you get the exact address of the dog where it came from? Sometimes sometimes we will there there is a program that's free as long as you don't go over 2500 locations called batch geo and you can load that in. It just uploads and bam, it shows you the location of everything. You know, you make orange dogs and blue cats and and it'll show you just real quick just looking where where everything's coming from. Even more accurate. That would be good, too. And I mean, I didn't think about that, but even our GIS might be able to do something like that. So, I mean, if we wanted to maps and things like that, colors. Yeah, we could probably do that. So, and this is just another something that we can get. Um, breed specifics. And this kind of gives you an idea. Um, of course, we get a whole lot more, but these are basically 10 and over. And you can definitely Chihuahua and pits interiors are our highest numbers. And those are really a typical month and almost every month is you see about the same things. So um I know one of the rescues pointed out that there's funding that it's breed specific. So you know we can make this available to anybody if they need that if you know some of the rescues want to go out for funding for themselves. So that's just something that um we can also do for them. And here is our youth in Asia history for March. Um, and I just want to point out that it's actually not all due to time and space. A lot of that is really medical or more feral and adoptable animals that we cannot I mean or it just might anyway they just are not as adoptable as you know regular fluffies and you know nice

[0:53:44] temperament dogs. But you can see that cats and dogs um aggression obviously your feral cats and medical needs. URI is an upper respiratory infection. Um, gets really bad, nose, eyes, and things like that. And so, um, that's just a snapshot of March. Excuse me. Yes, ma'am. What is time, space? The time and space. Basically, we just needed to make space and they had been there long, too long. And so, we have more animals than we can. Yeah. So basically that's actually the number that we we might really want to target um for our adoption subsidy program. Some of these others maybe not or if maybe somebody uh wants to adopt one that's not necessarily that medically, you know, they're just not that bad, they might need some vet care, but we can't afford to do that. they might be able to adopt them, but um the great majority are for sickness and stuff, but that time and space is the one that we really should target more so than anything because those are the ones that they could have found a home and they're adoptable, but we just don't have the space. And so that's what that is, time and space. Sandra, couple of couple of questions. One, uh explain the two I know what too young means, but explain that. And then also, how close are you working with some of these other organizations as far as getting pets? Too young is probably a litter of kittens that came in with no mother and they're like itty bitty and they just cannot survive. I mean, it's just very hard to keep them alive unless I mean you're manually feeding and all of that and you know that's also going to take a lot of staff time. So people just drop them off and you don't even know where they come from. A lot of times no. We've got those side cages and those are full every morning. We fill, you know, we clean them up at night and they're full every morning and and people just drop them off from the front. I found these and whether they are theirs or not, it's like, well, here they are. So, we have animals coming from the front, through

[0:55:47] the garage, through the guys, the officers, the side cages. Sometimes is dropping them off outside at night or something and so they're just roaming out there. So, I mean, we've seen somebody just drop them out of a car and just throw them out. Where are your numbers on the the animals that are killed on out on the road? You know, are there dead on arrival? That's not here. That's actually on the monthly report, but that's a high number if I remember the last time. Dead on arrival. Typically, gosh, I can't remember. It was on the previous slide. I remember something like 300 a month. Yeah, it's typically two to three. Yeah, but it's not here. It's It's a monthly report and it's not this one. It's the monthly report that we send out. Um but yeah, it's between two or 300 dead on arrivals and or take it back. It's 25 there now. 20 dead on arrivals. The guys basically picked them up and then they just kind of died in route or something like that or they had been hit by the car or something. Now 1045 cats meaning dead pickups. They're just on the side of the road. That's a different story. That's not actually in the report. Yeah. Okay. You know, one of the saddest things I s I experienced on my first trip out there was seeing Julie euthanize one of those. It was a big beautiful collie and it was just it was sad and just it's sad. It goes limp and it's gone. So it is very sad. So we want to try to um bring that number down. Thank you. And so we are proposing and hopefully um you know get your blessing on a couple of programs. Our first one is the Spain assistance program. Now we do have a current spaner assistance program. Um we have no funds in there but our current program I'm I'm kind of revising this. So, let's just go through this and then

[0:57:48] I can kind of tell you what um is changing from what we currently are doing on the program. Um on this one, the Spain need assistance program is actually including people not receiving public assistance. Our current one says you have to be receiving public assistance. So in this uh case I have two different um eligibility basically requirements either on public assistance or someone who just qualifies based on their income not necessarily receiving public assistance. So we're adding that um instead of just the the one eligibility. Also we are limiting the number of vouchers to two. oftentimes people would take 10 or 20 just because and so they would they would hold them and hold them and hold them and then all of a sudden we're thinking that you know they've all been and that's what happened. we basically had to pay someone and we ran out of money because they had been holding vouchers for a long time and so we want to limit them and that also gives um more people the opportunity to also you know go ahead and take advantage of the program and we're going to um basically the program right now what we're thinking is u we're going to sell them the last second to the last week of the month and then they will be good for two months only and that way that does allow um a lot of time for people to go ahead and get their animals spayed or neutered. And of course, of course, it's subject to funds. Now, do you do a an accounting of the vouchers redeemed? Meaning, if somebody takes two and they actually don't use them, do you do an accounting that you let out a hundred of them and only 80 of them were were utilized, so then that leaves a balance of 20? I don't believe that was being done before and we're going to have to up our accounting system. What we were doing is how much how many funds do we have? But there was never a this is how much we sold and a

[0:59:51] lot of them were even done before we even got there and they were just you know I still have this voucher I still have this voucher. There was no there was no end date to it basically. The plan in the new formula was to put an end date. You have to use this voucher between this time period or it's no longer good. And my my point on that is that that uh if you you know if we're allocating you know X dollars for this for a hundred vouchers or whatever that is then and in there's only been so many redeem then we have a balance that we could you know put into the next one or something and our accounting system will definitely be better and it will be improved. Um yeah those vouchers themselves as we talked about will have that date. it is valid between this state and this state if you don't use it. You you get my point of what I would like to see. Yeah. No, we do need better accounting and I I I we do realize that. We do realize that and in this particular case um we actually have five participating vets that have um they've offered to to go ahead and be on the program where currently we only have two. So that's really a good thing. You we've got three more that are willing to go ahead and honor the prices. And so that's a good thing. Um, now the cost and you've got two two different levels there. If someone um actually there will be no cost for the surgery itself, the cost will be if the person needs a rabies and a city tag. And so that's the difference there on that number one. Um, and 25 with no proof of current rabies and city tag. So, it just all depends on what you know what the need is of of the client and and who would uh administer the $0 or $25, the city or the vet? The vet bills us for the So, the vet would either the vet bills us for the surgery or the surgery, the city tag and the rabies and we pay the vet. Okay. But my question is when if somebody gets a voucher and the the cost

[1:01:58] the cost for the uh for the voucher is nothing. Mhm. Correct. Okay. And but if I don't have you know current rabies or city tags then it will cost me 25. Correct. Who who gets who administers the $25 or the zero dollars? We do. the city. Okay. So, again, you go in and you pay me 25. The city, my my question comes in and again, I'm just trying to find I I think it's a great program. I just don't want to have loopholes on this where I've got one dog and I keep showing up with that one that's got that and you know, then it's now the application actually asks for a name. So, I mean, there's got to be a name of your pet and so I mean the application itself, you know, there's questions. So, we want to actually make sure that yes, it's it's a different dog and even the vet should know that it's a different dog. So, yeah, if those come to if the animals adopted at the shelter, we currently usually transport that animal. So, the the money changes. So, if they come in and and they want an animal that's at the city, they're going to have to pay that. If they don't have tags and all that front, they'll have to pay the $25 upfront so that we'll have that in hand. We won't be out of those dollars. If it's a scenario where they already own the pet and uh they aren't currently licensed or those kind of things, then in my opinion, it would be up to the vet uh to receive those dollars because he's the one doing those things or they come and pay the city. Okay. And then then maybe one caveat on that is to ensure that for a vet to redeem this that they have to show proof they got show proof that it is that they have rabies current rabies and a city tag. Well, we actually will we will ask for proof. So you ask for that up front. I understand. But when the when when the vet does the procedure, we'll put a note Kindle to make sure

[1:03:59] that we clarify to make sure that those things are in place before we issue or redeem for it's just an an accountability to ensure that the vouchers are used properly. We want them to be used. I think it's a great program. Just want it to be used appropriately and properly. Okay. Okay. Now, this particular case and this is different from the current is that the current one states you have to um live in the city limits. So, this one based on population, we want to open it up to the county. There's a lot of county folks that go and drop off animals as well. And so, um, we want to open up 15% of whatever funds to county based on population. Since it's 15 and 85%, you know, population breakup, we want to also do that for uh the funds. And so that's the difference between this this particular um amended SNAP and the current one that we are using right now. And based on that, you're suggesting that is the percentage of animals that we get in from the county. As you know, we take them from anywhere. So the goal is those animals are affecting us regardless of whether they're in the city or not. We have not approached the county yet at this point to see whether they want to participate or not. That's something we can do. and where she's proposing these f funds come from are through donation dollars. So, it's not necessarily at this point a request of city dollars. So, that's why she's including the county at this point, but we may want to approach them to see if they want to contribute as well. Yeah. And I do want to point out that the SNAP program is for someone who already owns their animal. It's not for an animal that's in the shelter. It's not a for an adoption or redemption. It's someone who owns an animal out there. So, do do you want to point that out? So anyway, um that's the spayneuter assistance program. Wh why is why do we sell the SNAP vouchers on the second to the last week of the month?

[1:06:01] Let me tell you what that sounds like. Sounds just like city government or government. Throw something in and you go what? So you got to got to wait. What it is really though when somebody wants to spay their animal, it's a it's a impulse decision. In in marketing we talk about that. I mean cars are impulse buyers. you just decide to do it because we need to get it done and so you just go do it and if it's not the second to last week of the month the city well come back this what people don't do that yeah we're trying to make it easier as all but I mean the real concern in that regard was that our sta we're not overstaffed out there to begin with so we have a lot of traffic come in and out all the time phone so forth additionally and in order to do what Kendall is saying where you have a set time we've issued x number of vouchers this month and those are good for whatever period of time, you know, a two-month period. It sets clear end and start dates. So, that the effort was not, and I hear what you're saying, it was not designed at making it the easiest for the public coming in to get the voucher. It was designed at trying to make their traffic load and their end and start of vouchers to be easier. But we can review that. Why not say we have 200 vouchers a month starting the first day of the month. We're going to give these vouchers out first come first serve and when they're out they're out and then say hey first of next month come back there's 200 that's so easy to remember second to the last week seems like we're going to try to make this as difficult as possible to memorize. We'll put a note on that and we'll review it and see if there's a way to make and I'm just saying that from a person out there just who could almost care less but they just got this little thought in their head that they might do it and so they call and then they got to memorize you know first of the month. You know it's just people don't do that stuff. They don't go through all those hoops and you know we we know they don't point we'll see what we can do. Okay. Yeah, we can fix that. Okay. The next one is an adoption subsidy program. brand new. It's just something, you know, we're thinking that maybe that

[1:08:02] will encourage um people to go out to the shelter and adopt if we give some kind of subsidy and um some financial assistance and of course again to decrease the number of euthanasia. And this one basically is open to anybody because what we're doing is we're trying to get some of these animals out. And so, um, again, you can see those five. I mean, and and this is just an example, um, for this particular program, but we can always add something else later. Um, anyway, we want to try to adopt maybe senior special needs animals. Someone wants a puppy, but maybe there's an older animal that's really a good dog. And so, we say, you know, we'll give you 50% off of this animal. Would you be willing to? So, that that's the intent of that bonded pair. A lot of times animals come in pairs. you know, they're they're together and you know, they've been running around together, so we want to try to keep them together. So, um you know, we give again an incentive for someone to take both of them instead of one an extended day uh stay 20 if an animal's been there 20 days or more and it's still a good that's that time and space one. So, if it's been there for a long time and it's still a good adoptable animal, say we'll give you, you know, we'll give you an incentive to to take this one. um feline cats. Oftent times we have a lot of cats and so we say, "Okay, we want to offer this month, you know, something like that." And so Senator, help me help me with what 50% off would be. Well, I'm just saying 50% off the adoption rates. $85 for dog, 50 for cats. It'd be half. So it'd be half. Yeah. It's basically entering a retail approach to some of these things. What I was trying to understand is how much there's a there's a fine line. There's different things to think through there. And there's a fine line going on where you want to adopt out as many pets as you can. That's a good idea. You at the same time you want to pay for the processes that are going on uh to the best of your ability. And uh and also you need to charge enough that you don't

[1:10:08] get the animal back. Uh I mean there's got to be some real buy in. the way I, you know, if you give me something, it doesn't mean as much to me as as it does if I've got skin in the game. So that's why I was asking how much and it doesn't have to be 50%. And your number wasn't terrible. That's that's fine. That's why I wanted to hear what it was. Okay. But, you know, I I think in a way you could say on Thursdays, the second to the last week of the month, between 1:30 and 60, we're going to we're going to give away pets, you know, but you'll get a bunch of them back. And that's that's where I'm coming from. You somebody's got to got to have some skin in the game the way I would and I've done a fair amount of the foster adopting over the years and so forth. and and uh when when we go get an animal and then find a home for it, I find that if we don't get some kind of skin in the game, we get the animal back uh as a foster uh adopter. So, so all I'm saying is I have some sensitivity to that while you're thinking through what you're going to do. What is y'all's feel? I mean, this is part us getting information back from y'all. This is an item. So, do you like 50? Do you like Well, I'm a re I like retail, so I like the idea of trying to do some things. you know, this one's been here 20 days. I I don't want to euthanize it. You know, I I like things that have real guidelines to them, though, because, you know, this one's uh red and white spots and and cute, and so I'm going to treat it one way, and this one's, you know, not cute to me. I'm going to treat it a different way is something I think we need to be careful about. So, I I like the idea that you would come up with a framework that you go by is all I'm saying. But and again I as long as there's real skin in the game so you don't end up with the animal back. Uh that's part of what was on my mind. I I have one question Sandra. I think that's this is definitely a step in the right direction but my question is what qualifies me as an unapproved applicant?

[1:12:12] What how do I not Julie could probably answer that more or Julie? How you says approved uh adoption application, but what what makes me un an unapproved? We have we have an adoption application. Now, we there's several pages on it. There's various questions that ask questions such as what is your address? Do you own or do you rent? Do you live in an apartment complex? All those are valid questions. What kind of fence do you have? Do you have a chainlink fence or do you have a wooden privacy fence? If so, how tall is it? For one, if you live in an apartment complex, some of complexes don't allow certain breeds or any dog that's over 25 pounds, so on and so forth. We do call on those. We check and make sure that they really do own if they say they own and all that kind of thing. If we see that they have five dogs at home and none of them are spayed or neutered and they ask me, "Well, why can't I get this dog out unaltered?" Those are red flags. Okay. So, just good just one, you know, good question. Good good answers to good questions. It's a if they're want to adopt a husky and they have a 4ft chain link fence, that's a ladder. That's not a fence. That dog is just going to scale it. So, we counsel on those kind of things and tell them, "Okay, you're going to need an electric fence at the top and bottom and go through all that stuff." Okay. Hey, Mr. Morrison and then Mr. Alexander. How long do we keep an animal before we euthanize them? There's not a set number of days. It all depends on the temperament of the animal, how much space we have, availability, whether that animal is sick, whether it's injured, whether it becomes kind of agitated that it's in a cage. Um, that kind of thing. There's just different scenarios that come up. Some dogs, um, we have to keep them there longer and then they become nice after they've been there a while. They come in really nasty and then they turn nice, so then they become adoptable. Others, not so much. I've heard the horror stories of these dogs that are brought in and then 72 hours later. No sir, that's incorrect. I've heard the horror stories. People

[1:14:15] have called me. Who's correct or not, I don't know, but that's I understand. I deal with those phone calls every day. But no, it's not an automatic 72 hours and you're out the back door. We hang on to them as long as we can. What I'm thinking about is that 20 days. If you've got a dog that you're going to or cat you're going to euthanize in a week, then for the lack of a better term, put him on the markdown program and get rid of them. But I I don't like I don't like to see these animals euthanized. That's they're good, healthy animals. We don't either. That's why we're looking for options, trying this. That is one of the problems I had two years ago when we made tremendous increases in the price in the adoption fees. I felt that it would be I didn't feel that it would be good for the animal. I felt that the animal would have too much skin in the game. Euthanize animals that cannot adopt. So this this this concerns me that our adoption rate is so high and we've got it so high we can't adopt them out and now we're having to come up with discount programs. But the data doesn't say that anyway. The data says we adopt out the same number that we always did on a real basis and on a percentage basis. So the raising of the fees didn't do a thing to the number of animals that get adopted. That doesn't mean this is a bad idea. Uh what it said, you know, the data is the data and the data says that we adopt out basically the same number we always did. So raising the fees didn't do a thing to deter people from adopting animals. That doesn't mean though that retail psychology doesn't work. And retail psychology does work. That's why J C Penney just got through letting somebody go that doesn't understand it. And and so I think the idea of, you know, if I've got a pair here, I I want you to if you'll pay full price for this one, I'll give you that one for half price if you'll keep them together. Those kinds of things work. People are psychological beings, Mr. Alexander. Okay. On the retail, the 20 days also, it caught my attention as well. I I don't want to wait 20 days. Here's what I want to do. I want to set

[1:16:17] boundaries and get out of your way so that you guys can be creative. Think about these things. Try things. Some things work, some things don't. You always need to be trying something to see what works, what doesn't. In 20 days, that's quite a time to wait before you can discount a dog. I don't want any discount or days. I don't care about that. What I care about is establishing a limit. And 50% may be a little high. 40% it's just, you know, there's it's a lot of discount. 40% is a lot. It's not 50%. There's a different psychology there, but uh I would say 40% no higher. Doesn't m how does not matter how many days they've been there. Y'all figure that out what works and try lots of things and see what works. Uh because don't what it gives you is a reason to advertise. Hey, today we're going to do this and you have to post it on Facebook or whatever you're doing. If you don't have anything new, people don't pay attention. But when you start posting specials, people start watching closer. they keep watching cuz next time you have a special, they're going to go in there and look. You see what I'm saying? So you if you can play around with that, you'll figure out what works, what doesn't. Okay. And also, I heard what you said differently than than some others up here are hearing it. The extended stay 20 days or more, that was a number drawn out of the air. It's really a time and space issue. What you're saying is when we're full and we've got some adoptable animals that we're about to have to euthanize, we'd like to be able to discount some of those animals that have been there the longest. And so that already gives them, but Paul, that already gives them a lot of flexibility. If you were to have a standard that we're going to discount this dog 30% when he's within two days of us having to euthanize it, people walk in and look for those discounts, that dog's going to be euthanized. It's 30% off. That's the one. That's what they're saying. If you'll be consistent in some things, you're trying things, but be consistent on some things like that and it'll work well. And find out what works and what doesn't and do the things that work again and again until they quit working and and they won't work forever. Miss Farmer, Mr. Mayor, I heard uh somewhere in the conversation that we're euthanizing

[1:18:19] about the same amount as we did two years ago. I mean, that number hasn't changed. It's not more, it's not less. That is correct. Percentage wise, yes. Um I want to say that our highest if I can I remember microphone 2009 speak in the mic. Sorry if I remember correctly it was like 2009 or something. We euthanized like 11,000 but I think we also brought in a few more animals than we did. I wanted to compare that though what you're doing now versus the number of animals you took in two years ago and that you took in five years ago. Where are we running the same all the time? Are we increasing by taking in more animals or are we taking in less? I because that throws me back to an education program. We're taking about roughly we're taking in about the same. I'm saying I'm just going back to that 2009 when I vaguely remember that we had the highest rate one month. It was like really high, but we also had a few more animals and in 2009 was a very tough economical year. So people gave up their animals because they couldn't feed them or take care of them. Now it's kind of like staying relatively and it's very similar to what you see in Abalene in other places. So yes, it's stayed fairly consistent. I went to Abalene last week and they took in like last year took in 13,000. Of course, they have a higher population, so we're roughly about the same. Um they euthanized probably a little bit less because they had a little bit higher adoption, but not by much. Um, now what they do is they have like a 20 20% $20 subsidy off of their voucher. I mean, they have a voucher system, but that 20% is actually paid by a rescue. So, you have to do these things and then you send in the requirements and then the rescue will give you that $20 back. Well, you know, we channel the city for advertising purposes. I I don't see what the problem would be in finding some time on space on an adopt a spot, adopt

[1:20:22] a pet on the spot, have a picture of that animal that's your over your 20day stay, you know, before we euthanize that we and Anthony Wilson and Brian, they did that um we did that about a month or so ago with Julie and you know that animal went like within hours. Would like to see us have a program in there to continue doing that of Yeah. They've been experimenting with those things and that's why we're we're kind of filling you in on those things. Yes. Next. We agree. Oh, sorry, Senator. Let me ask real quick while you go next. I assume our incinerator is still not in operation. Our incinerator is not in operation and it will not be in operation unless we get the ones we euthanize, we're hauling them off to the landfill. Yes. Thank you for bringing that up. Number three. Okay, so the question is potential funding. How can we fund some of these programs? Um, right now we actually have no money in our SNAP program. Um, we have been collecting, which is I'll just that last one down there. Cans for change. Change comes in cans, not cans. Uh, we are collecting aluminum cans out at the shelter. Uh, we've collected since I believe February, like a little over 500, $600. Not a whole lot, but it's in our 601 SNAP account. We do have that donations account. Uh, so public donations are always welcome. Um, I did go through private funding. I did go and speak to Matt Lewis with the ERA Foundation in possibly starting up a fund. Um, I need $10,000 to set up a fund for this shel for the shelter for these programs. Um, I'm making a personal donation to that, but I'm not I can't come up with 10,000. So, that's something that I'll we'll be working on towards doing that. Um, possibly seek general fund transfers through council. Um, and basically that's it. Now, I do want to ask um the seeking council approval

[1:22:24] to per permanently include a request on the water bill. I have spoke with Mary Cleveland um and we can put a small sentence in that little box in our water bill to to basically alert the people that go to our city's website and get some more information. Now, she also um she and I were trying to work this out. We do have a new web system. So, it's a possibility that we at some point might be able to make donations online, but also she said that there might be a possibility um to allow someone to print out like a voucher or something like that, something. And then actually add that to the water bill and she could try to transfer it into a different account. So, we can do something like that on the water bill. And so that's actually approval that I might like um today to get that sentence put into that water bill to just you know just alert the the people that we are taking donations for these and to just um alert them of the or just you know advise them to go to the website for more information. So those are just different options and I do would I would like to get permission to go ahead and seek other funding. um there there grants out there that might not take any um financial commitment from the city but that we might be able to apply for. So I think those are the big two things Sandra would like. One is we'd like to try and start that water bill program where people make it easy for people to have the ability to donate toward this SNAP program and also she has found some grant opportunities that have no matching funds. So allowing council to authorize her to seek those out and if they require no uh grant any matching funds or commitment from the city that she can apply for those. Okay. I'm seeking a motion on the grant writing. Motion to approve the proposal. Okay. I have a motion from Mr. Herszfeld and a second from Mr. uh Silvis to grant you permission to seek grants that require no uh extra

[1:24:28] activity from city or extra funding from the city. So is there any other question on that item? Well, I have a comment. Okay. Um we're not fully in tune with how to get money or do money. We we have city tags that are required, but I heard something like 5% of the dogs or cats that are going in and out of vet offices have a city tag. And so there's something just really wrong there. And I I've brought up several times the city tags could be the microchip. Could be I realize there's some that's owned by a different company, but there's still a number there that we can register on our website that we can take money for uh the city tag online. Uh, and we could do lifetime, we could do yearly, monthly, we could do whatever. We could set it up and start getting funds in return. What we will do is put these little scanners with the Did the Does the dog catcher carry a scanner? We don't. No. Okay. If if they did, they could scan the dog and say, call it in, call the number in, and say, well, that that belongs to Paul Alexander over there on Beverly Street. Give the address and they bring my dog back to me instead of taking to the shelter. That's a service I get for having it, having city tags. Well, I want I want that service and so I'll pay for it and now you're making money. We've got to get into that so that you guys have money to operate, to improve the shelter, to do things like this. We're we are not collecting our fees and that that is a shame because it's paralyzing us from creating uh better services and doing things beneficial to the shelter. Okay. Other comment on the on the motion before I call for a vote on that on the motion. I I'll move us to other things and give you plenty of opportunity to talk about things. Okay. Okay. I'm just trying right now right now. I'm just trying to get a motion pushed through for a vote up or down on the on the grant writing. Grant writing. Okay. Does that include you talking about a

[1:26:32] special box on the water bills? Not yet. Not yet. I think we have to make a motion. All I'm All I'm after is the grant writing. Okay. Do I have public comment on the grant writing? Okay. Call for the vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. The second item that she was asking for a motion on was a motion to allow uh a process of advertising, if you will, on the water bill. And so is there someone with application? I will make that motion to add some kind of uh like you were talking about that one line and and and not only ask for you know it doesn't necessarily have to be a dollar. I can give how however many dollars I want to give. So I I like that idea. You you've got 30 animals. Yeah. 30,000 water meters out there. Whatever it is, including commercial. If I want to give $10, you know, that's so be it. So Okay. I would like to be set up. I want to give $3 a month. I want to call the water department. I want $3 a month tagged to my bill forever until I say otherwise because it's a little amount. Is your motion to permanently do this or is your motion to try this for a while and see what what it what it does? Are you asking me? I'm making the motion just to put a a oneliner with no no set dollar amount. Okay. Just whatever I want to give, I'll give. Right. Mr. Silvous. It says, "Seeking council approval to permanently include an animal shelter donation request on the water bill." Yes. And actually, maybe we're a different wrong because according to Mary, we don't have a lot of space in that little box. So, she's saying, you know, if you would like to donate to the SNAP program or something, go to the website and then we can give them some more information, but we're always seeking um donations for that. Now, she might be able to and we're working and we're going to work out these kinks that at some point we will be able to either do this online or on the water bill by printing out some kind of receipt or something and then

[1:28:36] adding it along with the water bill when you send it in. I think this is a very good idea, but I think there's a whole lot more work that needs to be done typically done is that that they may have different statements that need to go on that bill at different times. There may be some sort of announcement that goes. So, this goes on and off over a period of time. Permanent is probably good, but it doesn't mean it's going to be on there every day. Well, the point I'm making, that's my whole point. I don't think you should it should be permanent. I think you should be given permission to try this and see if it works. You know, you see what I'm saying, Mr. You guys put this on there. See if you get any donation. See if you get any activity. See if you if you don't quit it. You know, if you do, then when you can do it again. So, but anyway, uh so maybe not the permanent, but at least at least tried once every 3 months, every two months or so. You're making a motion to give them the ability to use the water bill to try to raise funds for the shelter donation. Yes. Request program. Okay. I have a motion. I need a second. Are you saying the permanent parts? I need clarification. Hang on just a second. I have a motion and I have a second from Mr. Morrison. So, I have Mr. Silvis, Mr. Morrison. Now, what I'm looking for is comments. Mr. Alex, clarification on the permanence. The ask for the donation is not permanent. Can or do they have the permission to Neither is set up a permanent? Neither is permanent. No. Permanent is being removed. Exactly. Unless they bring it back. I mean, they can He gave them permission to use the water bill as they see fit for marketing. If it works, they keep doing it. If it doesn't work, they quit doing it. That's what he did. They're going to do better if they ask for a permanent. Just saying. We'll bring it back. If it's working, it'll be permanent. Off, but it'll go on a regular basis. Let's do a trial run, then go for it. Okay. I have a motion and a second. Do I have any other comments? Do I have public comment on this item? Call for this vote. All those in favor, please say I. I.

[1:30:36] Any opposed? Opposed. Okay. I have a one, two, three, four, five to one vote, Miss Rmittis. Okay. Uh, you got the two things you asked for. Otherwise, I think you got guidance. I think we're good. Okay. I don't think the rest of these need to come up for a vote today because there was a lot of Why don't you think about this and think about that. Thank you very much. Okay, folks. Let me take you into a break. Okay, it's uh 10:36. I'll try to get us going again around 10:50. Call the meeting to order and then start us with item number 10, please. This is the discussion and consideration of approving a petition requesting annexation. Uh we have a presentation today by our interim director of development services, AJ F. Good morning, mayor, council. Uh this item was presented to you back in April. So it will look familiar to you. Uh due to the changes in the meeting dates, we have had to redraw the schedule for this annexation. So, we're simply asking you today to go ahead and take action on the petition as you've done before, understanding that the schedule does deviate from the original schedule that you approved for us. Uh, this property again is in far southwest uh St. Angelo, just east of the city limits and uh actually just west of an acreage just under nine acres that you annexed to the city back in March. This is a sizable property. It's just under 25 acres. So in the picture that you have here, uh this strip here is the 9 acre section you've already made finalized and this section here is the section with which you uh directed staff to send a letter to the owner of that property um making them aware of the annexation proceedings. So the annexation schedule that has been altered in order to meet the requirements of the local government code is shown on the slide here. uh we would kick off with the first public hearing in June and finish with the second reading of that ordinance if it is approved by the council in August of 2013. So again, we're just asking you to approve this updated schedule and we

[1:32:39] will proceed with the annexation accordingly. Motion to approve the petition and the timetable as presented. Learning you got it. Okay, I have a motion and a second to approve the timetable, the the petition, and the timetable as presented. Any further questions or comments from councel? Any public input on this item? Call for this vote. All those in favor, please say I. Any opposed? Item number 11. This is the first public hearing and consideration of approving uh planning commission's recommendation of a zone change from ranch and estate to light manufacturing. And we have a presentation from our interim senior planner, Jeff Hints. Good morning, mayor and council. Uh, this is a request for a zone change. Originally, the request was for heavy manufacturing. Uh, Mr. Mueller went before the planning commission and stated he would, uh, be agreeable to the light manufacturing and planning commission went ahead and recommended that. Just to familiarize with the area, this is one of the properties that was annexed in December of 2011 and was zoned ranch and estate by default. Uh, per 303 in the zoning ordinance. Uh they're now looking to get this change to manufacturing to encompass several of the activities in the Chapperel Industrial Center. Um six notices were sent for this particular request. Uh none were received back from us. You can see MH Morgan Trail and um UPS is one of the more prominent businesses in this area. There's a tire retailer in this area as well. Um just an aerial photo of it. The National Guard is just to the north. Um the vision plan map is calling for industrial so it is consistent with that goal within the comprehensive plan. Um just some site photos of the area showing some of the businesses on what's around there. Um planning commission did follow uh the recommendation of staff to modify that to light manufacturing from the original request of heavy. Um and if there's any questions on the recommendation, I can certainly elaborate further if you'd like. Motion on this item. Motion to approve. I'll second that. I have a motion for Mr. Morris and a second from Mr. Silvis to approve as presented. Do I have any other questions or or comments from councel?

[1:34:41] Do I have public input on this item? Call for this vote. All those in favor, please say I. Any opposed? Item number 12. This is the first public hearing in consideration of introducing an ordinance amending uh chapter 12, exhibit A. This is item number Z13-13 concerning David and Pam Hilton. And we have a presentation by our interim director of development services, AJ F. This uh request is in fact yes for a historic overlay. I will mention that the property owners actually initiated this request. It was not a city initiated historic overlay request and they've worked uh very closely with our historic preservation officer Barbara Hessie to form the staff recommendation on this. We did send out 25 notifications as required by state law. We did not receive any either in favor or in opposition of the request. Uh the property is in north central St. Angelo and it's just uh southwest of the intersection of Poe and Pser Street. Uh if you know this neighborhood, you know that there are a variety of historical homes throughout this area. Here's an aerial photograph of the site. And here are a couple of pictures looking from North Poe and Prior at the subject property. As you can see, there's been some substantial uh renovations to this home to preserve it in the historic manner that it was built. The planning staff of course does recommend approval. We found that of the criteria outlined in chapter 12 of the zoning ordinance, it does meet all of those criteria. And the design and historic review commission also unanimously recommended approval by a 5 to zero vote back in April. If you have any questions, I can get into those. One question about your map. Could you take a look? Keep going. Would you explain Would you explain that L shape? This is simply drawn based on the uh ownership parcel. So sometimes ownership parcels don't naturally match up with the platted lots. This home here was sold to someone else and historically that was done by meets and bounds, not by a lot and

[1:36:44] block. So what you're seeing is simply that this property owner owns property all the way to the alley whereas this property owner has bought a section of that lot and block for their own personal use. And that again is a historical development. We don't see that so much these days. and they applied for that entire section to be well they're actually applying for it for the structure but we apply it uh through the tax appraisal district by parcel so as the taxes are figured on an annual basis they figure it by the parcel ID number okay but but those are two partials aren't they this is actually one ownership ID one ownership parcel if you owned three lots of property that were all platted separately you could conceivably have one tax ID number for all It makes it a little easier for the uh individual that's paying those taxes. And I think this possibly is where the mayor is going is that what if in the future that uh that homeowner down there that's in that bottom part of the L, they end up buying that small section just to add to their and they make that transaction. Now all of a sudden he can't do anything out there on this vacant piece of land because it's historic. No. No. Actually the historic overlay uh will simply provide protection for that particular home. The reason that we categorize it by parcel ID is because we are not involved in the tax incentives portion of it. That's done by the appraisal district. So they will update the tax ID numbers accordingly. Um but if this were brought into us, we would look at that and say okay this this item was approved for this particular structure pictures of which we have in the file and that is the only structure for which this historic overlay applies. Got it. Okay, other questions or question question AJ, what is the significant uh history of there's a good deal in your background report and I won't go through all of it extensively but this particular uh structure was built in 1903 and it is actually has a sort of a mishmash of two different architectural styles which is not all together common. Um, so that in itself is unique, but the fact that it

[1:38:47] is a heavy Victorian style is something that's also unique and it's something that the historic overlay uh ordinance is meant to preserve. It was also itemized in one of our recent uh historic resource surveys as a property that should be overlaid because of this style. So that's the main uh main thing that you'd want to note for it. There is a good deal I said in your background report talking about this particular style of Victorian and how it's important in American architecture. But as far as St. Angelo, um it also was a home to a professor that was significant in St. Angelo, Rogers William Moore, um who was sort of a pioneer in the educational field in St. Angelo in the early 1900s. So, it's both locally significant and historically significant because of the style. And I know there's another home maybe a couple of blocks away that's that has a historic marker on it. Do you know of that one? We have uh markers in our office available for people that have the historic overlay. They can um obtain one of those to put on the front of their home if they so desire. You also have markers that are available for state and national designations. So it could be any of those. But we do make those available. But I guess what I'm asking is the one that does have the marker on it. I wonder if it's under the historic overlay. verify that when we when we do that as do the state and the national levels. Okay. You have to actually show that you have that. I'll make a a motion to approve this item. Okay. As presented. Second. I have a motion from Mr. Silvas, a second from Miss Farmer to approve as presented. Do I have any other uh comments from uh council? Just would be nice if this area could turn into what is it San Antonio? They have the Joski district. the uh they're like a Dillards, you know, stores and stuff, but they they've named it because that's where the folks live. The Joskies lived. It's all Victorian, not far from South Downtown San Antonio. This uh this has promise, doesn't it? For sure. Yeah. Okay. Do I have any comment from uh the public? Okay. Call for the vote.

[1:40:50] All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Now, we're looking at item number 13. This is the consideration of approving an amendment to the vision plan component of the St. Angelo comprehensive plan. This was last updated in 2009. We have a presentation by our interim senior planner, Jeff Hints. Uh good morning again, mayor and council. Um to skip, you know, some of the long lengthy description of this, this is uh encompassing the area that was annexed in 2011. Uh whenever an annexation takes place, staff will take a look at, you know, the land use and vision for the future there. as part of the comprehensive plan and see if it's appropriate, if some changes are necessary. Um, so this was a result of that. Um, it hasn't taken us actually this long to do it, but several delays at planning commission and trying to time it with the next item on the agenda. The thoroughare amendment resulted in it being on the agenda today. Um, so that kind of goes together. So be familiar with this area of town. We'll be um, visiting it again shortly. Um, the black line on here is the existing city limits line. Uh, this is the current vision plan map of the area. Uh the gray is industrial type development uh which we've you know seen several uh the case we just heard uh 1311 for Mr. Mueller was in this area. Um moving on for what um you know staff has recommended in terms of the options the council has you can approve uh these amendments that planning commission and staff have remand them back to planning commission or uh staff or deny them entirely. Um, we did recommend approving this as staff and the planning commission recommended approval of the amendment which I'll show you here shortly unanimously on March 18th. Um, as I'd mentioned, this was annexed in December of 2011. There's several contrasting land uses with like industrial type development next to neighborhood before this area really takes off. We should, you know, get this set up so that we're not going to have conflicts later on where staff gets calls of, you know, this is happening and, you know, my property's values are going to go down and things like that. So we went through and did a parcel by parcel analysis of this area in town and took a more proactive approach instead of a reactive approach to avoid issues before they happen. And with that, this

[1:42:52] is what we'd come up with. Um the dump is here. Um you can see um we've encoded it. The dump is this property here, excuse me, within the city limits. You can see we've buffered it with industrial and open space use referred to as the landfill. Yeah, I'm the only one that calls it a dump. I was thinking, man, he is caught on. Um, I've got nailed for calling it the dump. Well, so go ahead and rephrase yourself. You spend all this time asking staff to just be clear and factual. He comes forth, he says it's the dump, and now you say, "Don't be so clear. Back up a little bit. Give him some room here." All right. So, the landfill or dump as some folks like to refer to it is this property. Um, rewinding there. U we've tried to buffer these more intense uses as best we could given the current development patterns and anticipated development of the area. There's a you notice there's a rail line running through here. Um we noticed there was a real missed opportunity to not have industrial development around it. So we'd went ahead and added industrial development while buffering it with uh transitional zoning which is intended in this case to buffer the ranching estate you know residential lower intensity zoning from the more high intense zoning as well as adding uh neighborhood center to serve the budding neighborhood in Paul here as well as some other commercial type developments that will go ahead and um you know serve the area moving forward. Um, so with that, I can, you know, try to explain any other, you know, how we came to what we did. If you've got any questions, I have some questions. Okay, Mr. Hzfeld. Uh, I I guess just one of the things that I noticed is that I'm looking down at the current industrial park that was you had changed that is correct. There was a in the old one there was the whole thing was red and then which was commercial and then you changed the back portion of it and I know we reszoneed some of that. Now I want to go back up to Mr. Mueller's section up here. He had originally requested heavy manufacturing. Um now is that not the red portion right

[1:44:55] there? Uh that's the south Mr. Mueller's property. Mr. Miller's property is um the this property right in here I believe is a shack that we just reszone that we'd reszone to light manufacturing. Yes, sir. And then the the red portion um this is Howard College here. This industrial area, there's a tract there. I believe Mr. Mueller does own it. He's talked with staff about it, but it's currently zoned general commercial, but the vision plan for that area is calling for commercial. So, in terms of being zoned in kind of that vision, yeah, it is maybe a a switch to a different type of commercial would work in the future. And and I guess the really the point on where I'm going is that that I I understand the point of having light manufacturing along 67, but to me as we step back further uh having allowing heavy manufacturing to occur in that area, just my opinion is that I think that you you know you we cut this one down at the industrial part yet we actually I think made this one bigger. Show us show us the colors where heavy manufacturing could be. Uh Sure. The gray the gray calls for industrial and what that would mean in terms of if someone comes in to apply for a zone hinge, it would mean either heavy manufacturing, light manufacturing or potentially office warehouses and other industrial use category that would be out that would work in the vision for that. And then the red the red would be commercial. That could be neighborhood center or neighborhood commercial, office commercial, general commercial, uh heavy commercial and Okay. of them in this area that's not developed and and I'm I'm just picking on this one spot and I just because there's nothing there and and that's a it's a fantastic area and location that why would we have that little red area right there coming off of uh Pauland is that Pauland Boulevard yeah right right through here yeah in terms of just diversifying the area and maybe adding some more options like if someone wanted to run and I'll just throw this out there because we already have several but there's not one in this area you know what if some if they came to us and said we want to run Walmart there. There's if we coded it for

[1:46:56] industrial, the retail component really isn't consistent with that vision. So, in terms of diversifying the area, we've tried to add nodes of activity. In this case, the highway coming through here, you know, the commercial aesthetics are much, you know, a little bit better than industrial in some cases. And it also serves kind of a dual feature to kind of buffer uh the Howard College area from, you know, maybe the more intense uses. And as well as it's it's a gateway into the neighborhood as well. So, in terms of, you know, keeping some of the folks that live in this envisioned neighborhood area, you know, away from those more intense uses as they drive into their home. Okay, that's a a good explanation. Walk me through the one that's on the old Ballinger Highway that's in the middle. In other words, there's gray everywhere and then there's a red island. What is that red island? Um, this one was originally in the current vision plan envisioned as a neighborhood center. Um, given there was really no neighborhood in that area for it to serve. Um, we'd felt that, you know, maybe some type of retail in that area might be good and commercial would would fit that. It could certainly, you know, if the council wishes it to be industrial, you could certainly have us make these changes and and modify that. But at the original one, uh, let me back up for a second. Oops. The original one, it was intended for a neighborhood center in that area. There's really, you know, a neighborhood center surrounded by industrial really, you know, there's not really a neighborhood for it to serve in that area. Uh there's a little bit of rural development called for here that u we you know felt that industrial might be a better choice and some commercial in this area um given the how the area is developing and how we anticipate it to grow. Um so we went ahead and just added some commercial to diversify that as you know those industrial opportunities flourish and grow. Um theoretically some of those folks may want to go somewhere for lunch or they may want to go somewhere to you know buy general goods which the industrial vision and the the vision plan doesn't really cover that per se. if someone came to us with a zone change for something if that does that answer your question or not? Yes, sir. Not really. Well, Jeff, along that same question, uh that little island that the mayor talked about is where is that uh in adjacent to or where is that close to

[1:48:59] as far as it used to be called martyr? What is it? I don't know what it's called now. But where is the martyr area is just south of here. Um the city landfill as I've been constructed uh is just north of it. If you when you get to the edge of that, this property is right across the street from it. Now, there's um an old restaurant or some type of bar there. Dance hall. Yeah, there's an old hall there. Boots and saddles. Yeah. So, there's, you know, there's some chance for someone to come in and maybe reinvent that property as more of a commercial type of use to service the folks, you know, doing industrial activities in the area. But if you classified it as industrial, it would not uh preclude someone from applying to change that to a neighbor to some type of restaurant or whatever. It would it would require a conditional use. U right now it's zoned ranch and estate by default, but in terms of eliminating maybe steps for them, you know, ranch and estate probably isn't what they're looking to do with that property. So, as they look to develop it, um, as they come in for a zone change, you know, they we could just code it for industrial and they could say, "Oh, I want to get, you know, light manufacturing there." They'd have to then come back to the planning commission and, um, you know, generally we don't allow retail sales in the industrial areas. They're intended for, you know, manufacturing of goods and maybe the wholesale trade thing, but a restaurant wouldn't really fit in. I guess my only concern when I see this again is and I and I look at at at how we've planned and done in in businesses in the in the past and locations is having as much flexibility as possible. That's that was is really what what bothers me. And and I guess my preference would be that that little pocket right there is is industrial and then also north of of uh Pauline Boulevard that that also be in that gray. That's my preference and then that provides as much flexibility and then if somebody wants to come in and provide and do something different, you know, let it kind of be defined. You're not going to build a small retail and then build all these big businesses around it. You're going to build a big businesses and the small retail is going

[1:51:01] to kind of pocket around the type thing. That is kind of how I see things. Sure. Yeah. The only thing I would I would add, I don't disagree with you or anything. Um, in terms of, you know, options for choices for a landowner moving forward, the commercial, they get um neighborhood commercial, office commercial, general commercial, and heavy commercial. So, they've really got four choices where in terms of the industrial, it's really just the um light manufacturing, heavy manufacturing, and the office warehouse. And then none of which allow for like if you said, I want to run a restaurant or I'm going to run a convenience store. None of none of those choices in the industrial would work for that. But you they could go the conditional use route if they got its own zone changed. This is a guideline, right? Right. This isn't in stone. Right. Right. No, it can't it can't be changed at a later date if someone comes to us and says, you know, I really want to do but changing the vision is relatively tedious. Correct. it it requires uh there's no notification required with this because it doesn't actually zone anyone's property but it's you know really important because at the same time when people come in and apply for zone change this is what the recommendations are based upon and um state law mandates we follow and and then I guess my last question is to the right of two of uh 67 you to the right there you go all that light blue over there is that all county land yeah county and there's some city land back in there as well um you some type of phased, you know, development or whatever. Um, might may work back there through a plan development route. Um, you know, there is some planned phasing in the industrial park, it maybe could be achieved through a planned development at that time or, you know, if the council envisions, um, you know, really expanding the industrial park, it could be, you know, changed to industrial if that's the desire. Um, right now though, given the the current status of the industrial park, you we felt it would be best to preserve it as institutional for now in case there's some other type of development the city has in mind with it that would work out there that wouldn't just be solely industrial. Okay, Mr. Silvas,

[1:53:04] Jeff, I want to be clear on going again to that little pocket commercial area. If I am the land owner of that place, you you can't change my zoning to industrial without can you not? Right. There's there's a notification required. Um you know, if council directs us to, we certainly can send out the notices and they would be notified at that time, but we're not changing anyone's zoning with this at all. No, sir. Because then you would have theatas and the Henry's Diners out here, you know, because they own that property. It's a bar, I guess. Right. Right. They'd have to approach us to say, you know, I want to get a a zone change. And at that point, but nothing changes, right? Nothing changes because of what you're going to do with this today. Well, the vision plan changes, but in terms of what the property is actually zoned, nothing changes today. Mr. Morrison, I really don't see the possibility of a restaurant right there across the street from the landfield. I mean, when the landfill when it came off of 50th Street, the Boots and Saddles Club was still there and working. But when we moved the entrance to the landfill on the old Ballinger Highway and took it away from 50th is when we that's when the Boots and Saddles no longer existed. I really don't see a real popular restaurant right across the street from the landfield entrance. So, I I really don't understand why we're doing this. Right. I just I just threw out one possibility for what commercial would cover. uh it covers, you know, offices, um general retail, filling stations, things like that. I don't see anything being there but manufacturing. Yeah, we just wanted to diversify the area in terms of that, but it could certainly I'm looking for the other way. I'm looking for a motion to remand this back to the planning committee to Sir, I'll remand it. I think we ought to remand it. I'll make the motion to do so. Okay, I have the motion. I'll second. I have a second. Okay. I have a motion and a second to remand this back to the planning commission to ask them to take a look particularly at the commercial designation inside the

[1:55:09] basically the red uh inside the gray. Okay. Is there any further comment from council on this? Okay. Do I have comment from the public on this? Call for the vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. We'd like to to see them take another look at that. If let's go ahead and take a look then at item number 14. This is the discussion and possible action regarding an amendment to the thoroughare thoroughfare plan component of San Angelo's comprehensive plan. Uh again we have a presentation by our interim sen senior planner Jeff Hints. All right. Uh in an area that was uh just presented uh the northeastern area of town. This is the current um thoroughfare plan which when folks do subdivisions uh kind of guides you know where those planned major thoroughfares are going to be. The lighter blue indicates a collector street. Uh the dashed lines indicate proposed locations. Uh the red will be a minor arterial and the purple would be a major arterial. Uh the the green on here is a freeway. You can see through the city-owned properties. Um the the industrial area runs through here. The current industrial park. Uh you can see there's some collector streets planned and there's not really much in terms of access for these properties that were annexed uh to the city limits in December of 2011. Um so moving forward, we do have an amendment to show you. You can uh similarly approve the proposed amendment as uh recommended by MO and the planning commission. I'll remand that back to either of those boards or deny any of the proposed amendments. Um, city staff did recommend approval of an initial request, which I will show you that planning commission recommended approval of, uh, in April 11th that was further modified by the MO board with a couple of changes that were then forwarded to this, uh, this council for final approval. Um, this was with the original initial one that was um, presented to planning commission. You can see Smith Boulevard um, connecting back up with 50th Street. Again, some type of access for the folks that own properties in here. There's really no major planned street through there to connect those back up and help those properties develop. Right now, there's a lot of landlock tracks that without a a major

[1:57:13] thoroughfare running through them may have a hard time developing. There's also a lack of an east west uh thoroughfare crossing the highway over to the city industrial park and other properties in this area. Uh this would be an extension of Pauland Boulevard across 27767. And then uh staff had worked up a proposed arterial in an extension of uh 21105 uh kind of in a similar fashion. Um we'd learned um you know through the MO board that there was some things going on with Texad in that area that I'll discuss a little bit later on, but um these are just a couple things I discussed already. Um the current efforts by Texad in the area um where the changes are and I should show you what we've recommended. Um we've recommended um per the MO board uh just leaving the area uh over here alone for now. Text is doing some studies on this area right now and is still working on you know what they're going to be doing. They've got a long range kind of vision for the area. Um at the MO board at their most recent meeting did recommend extending Paul and Smith Boulevard to link up with 50th 50th Street again as a major collector for Smith and a minor collector for Paul Anne. um those those extensions now it was determined at that meeting make the most sense um in the map that I go back to is this is what the MO board um had modified from planning commissioner originally that council go ahead and approve and I'll try to explain and we've got uh the city interim city engineer Tim Wolf here as well to answer any kind of traffic management sort of questions that may arise as well. So, what you're asking for specifically is that we um agree with or or what's the right way to say this? It's not really certify or whatever, but but uh stamp what the MO said concerning the two streets, Paul and Smith. uh what he's talking about when he talks about the light blue, not those two, but the one that Tex's looking at, that's related to the work they're doing right now on that bridge and interchange system that you see when you drive out there. And it's related to that bypass for trucks on the where

[1:59:18] north running east and west north of 21105 uh for so the long-term plan for the for the truck bypass. And so all they're saying is let's not, you know, let's not do something here uh and then have that plan uh conflict. So let's put that part off is what they were asking for. So that's the reason for concentrating on the dark blue line, Smith Boulevard, and then the light blue on Paul, but not really worrying about right now adopting the rest of what you see on there. So anyway, is there any other question for the on the presentation? I'm still uh not clear on the Smith Boulevard. The light blue going across. What is that? 67. Uh 67 is the purple running through here. Smith Boulevard. That's old Ballinger Highway. Old Ballinger Highway is right through here with the Smith would would cut across. Right. And then link up with 50th to provide some sort of linkage across town and then out again on uh North Chill. Cut across. Show me where the light blue Smith. Okay, that light blue is Paul coming over to that overpass where we're working with uh Mr. Silvis. That's where we're working with Howard College to do that drop down toward Howard College. Yeah, the Howard College Howard College. Okay. And that's what they're asking for approval of. It's Smith Boulevard North. There you go. Or northeast or whatever. And then uh the Pauland Boulevard. I was a little turned around. I got it down. That's what they're asking for. So, Mr. for Alexander 50th Street didn't do what I thought it was going to do. It didn't link up with 67 and 277. It just didn't. It has not. 277 hasn't yet. It never Well, no, it never. In the older plan, in the older plan or in this plan, ne in neither case has it been put all the way through to 67 or 277. The that's what I would have expected and that's that that would be nice. the the original

[2:01:20] to get traffic from all the way to the coliseum pretty quick. You know, Coliseum is kind of out of the way. It needs to be part of our city more centrally and and the way you do that is you put connections in and and we just didn't do it here. The original um this is what the thorough fire plan says right now. If it were to not be amended or nothing were to happen to it, it it was um the current one had it ending at Old Ballinger Highway, then Old Ballinger Highway, of course, there on its current route. That's not a new update. That's the way it's been. That's better. But that is the way it is. This is the current one. That's the current plan. So So why would we put a new plan in place that doesn't do that? Oh, that's Oh, you're extending it down. It's I got you. So there is a way to do it. There you go. Boy, that that's getting complicated, huh? It's not simple. It's not the same. It's the same. Everything above the red line is what's already in place. The only thing that they're adding is the dark blue and the light blue. Is that a Okay. There there are a couple removals I can go over um just real quickly. Um there's a couple of thorough thoroughares planned currently um through the landfill. We went ahead and u took those out given that we probably don't want major traffic running through the landfill. Those have been erased as well. This is just a guide. Motion to approve. Second. Got a motion and a second to approve as presented. Do I have any further questions or comments from councel? Do I have public input on the item? Call for the vote. All those in favor, please say I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay. I'm now looking at item number 15. This is consideration of approving an amendment to the vision plan component of the St. Angelo comprehensive plan update. And again, we have a presentation by our in inram senior planner, Jeff Hints. Uh this is in the far uh southeast part of town or southern part of town, not the far southeast I guess. Um let's show you a

[2:03:23] map. It's a little bit easier to explain, but this is in the Grand Canal Highway um 277 area. This is the current vision plan map of the area. You can see again similar to the northeast part of town we just looked at. There's several areas of neighborhood envisioned development directly adjacent to industrial um which you know can can lead to problems. Doesn't always, but can lead to problems. We've been approached by Mr. Bernett who's here as well um about a pe about this lot 17 here which really um he'd requested staff and planning commission take a look at this vision plan for a type of development he was working on in the area. Uh as with the other ones you approve this vision plan amendment uh remand it back to the planning commission or deny you know part or all of it um and approve it like that if you choose to. Um planning staff did recommend approval of this and planning commission recommended approval of this proposed amendment 6 to zero on April 15th. Uh this is what staff has uh drawn up with the approval of the planning commission. We've added um where the Grand Canal sits uh you know development in the area is very unlikely. We went ahead and just added it as open space to preserve that as open for the future given that um you know the lack you know there's going to be really hard to build anything given that it's a drainage canal. So we went ahead and preserved that as open space to go ahead and be a nice buffer for some of the other uses in the area. We tried to do is node the industrial areas in a way that it buffers the neighborhood from those more intense zoning districts. Um so in a way um there's some commercial opportunities that didn't exist before uh in this area that can certainly uh benefit um given the the difficulty of the intersection here and crossing it. there's, you know, several accidents there and text is is well aware of that. But the lack of a real commercial opportunity to serve this neighborhood in an easily accessible manner just, you know, wasn't there right now. So, we went ahead and and added that provision as well as well as added in a neighborhood center um intended for lower intensity commercial development or maybe higher density residential development that'll go ahead and serve the neighborhood. Um, and then

[2:05:25] added in some transition zones to go ahead and act as buffers from the neighborhood. um given the intense development that is present in this area now and likely to to continue on in the future. Good question. Well, this this doesn't I mean there's businesses there today, right, that wouldn't comply with this, right? And it's in terms of the future down Danland or No, we're not we're not going to shut anybody down. Their their current zoning stays the way that it is. And in terms of future growth, if someone decides to come in there and and maybe change their mind, that vision plan really guides that. So, we're not, you know, certainly looking to remove anyone. But in terms of the property here is where the the factory or the the container that you're talking about now is um you know, in terms of moving forward, the property owner has has discussed this with me briefly and assured him, you know, we're not doing anything with his zoning. It's already zoned light manufacturing. That will remain unless someone decides to do something different. And if someone decides to do something different, then that's what the vision plan for the growth really, um, takes a look at. It's not ideal now, um, given the, you know, the current layout of it. We, we're buffering industrial areas with neighborhoods in some cases here. Pop forward to where you are now. Here's the question. He wants to sell that to someone else that wants to do the same thing he's already doing. What happens? No problem. The zoning stays the same. If if that person comes to us and says, you know, I want to get a zone change, that's when the vision plan map really becomes a thing. So that um the light manufacturing zoning present on the property now is is going to remain unless the property owner wants to do something different with it. But there are no trigger events. You see what I'm asking? The trigger event is the owner saying, "I'd like to talk about doing something different with this." Right? Okay. That's the trigger event. The the main he can he can modify. He can adapt. He can do whatever he wants on his property currently. that's zone light manufacturing. He wants to add a building or whatever. Yeah. Anything that is allowed in light manufacturing through a conditional use

[2:07:27] or allowed by right through the owner ordinance, he's allowed you to stew and and have at it. This won't have any impact on that. Um the main thing that brought it up was the property here, lot 17, um which is the next item on the agenda. There's a zone change a gentleman is looking to do. Um could you speak closer in the microphone, please? Uh the one that really brought this up is lot 17 here. Um the gentleman came forward to go ahead and do a zone change to industrial or an industrial use on that property. It was currently envisioned to be neighborhood which you know wasn't really a good fit. So in doing the vision plan map we really take a look at the whole area and how it functions as a whole. Uh this neighborhood center was relocated from actually the highway here where it wouldn't really serve anybody in the neighborhood to here for the future. But again, if the property owner doesn't want to do anything with it, they're not forced to. Uh it's just if they come in and want to do something, this is kind of what we would use to, you know, guide any zone change. Um and I just went ahead and added the thoroughares to the area. You can see uh there's an arterial street which is 277 the major arterial and then a couple of collector streets that run through here as well. Um is this better? Yes, thank you. I I'm trying to find You're on Grand Canal right there where your arrow. Yeah, Grand Canal runs through here. And then there's a planned uh collector or an existing collector through here as well. Um and that's right down the blue line you're just doing is one side's the golf course. Yeah, this is the golf course here. This is uh Country Club Road and then it eventually turns into Ben Ficklin as you work work north. Um and of course outside over here is all outside of the city limits at this time as well. Um well on the other side that's outside of the city limits also in right there. Yeah, right here. Yeah, this side is the other side over here. Yes, this is in the city limits actually. The city limits down here. Um right there the city limits cuts off about down here. Yes, ma'am. Road. Uh Templan Road runs right through here and then back up to Grand Canal. Where's Ratliff Road? I can't It's not on there, I think.

[2:09:28] So it's further to the west. Yeah, I think it's maybe further south or perhaps um No. Is that the private street? It It is private to the west. Ratliff Road may be right there. Running north and south. It runs up and down. Jeff, let go. Keep going other way there. Well, that could be Rat Lift Road right there. That's it. This Yeah, this is a This is a property right through here. I think this is a property line. I don't think that is. I think that's not right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think it's west. It's further than off the map. This is a property line. quite a few homes that are at on Ratliff and at the end there's a but there that's west and then south so it's not on the map. Yeah, the city limit line cuts off um about it does something like that if you can follow the path of the mouse here. Again, Ratliff is not on there. Yeah, I think Ratliff is it's not showing up unfortunately. My apologies for that. Um, in terms of the basis for a recommendation, um, you know, I'd kind of mentioned before and with other ones, it's best to try and avoid having the industrial uses directly adjacent to the neighborhoods to be more proactive in terms of moving forward. You know, a lot of industrial uses are good good stewards of the neighbors moving forward. Um, you know, some folks aren't always, so that's what we try to avoid and those are the calls we get. You know, they're doing this and I've got all this on my property now. So, we're going to try to be proactive and, you know, limit those to nodes where um the industrial activities are buffered by some commercial activities and transition zones so the neighborhoods can be as peaceful as possible and quiet so they can maintain those property values without being subjected to, you know, piles of things that are allowed in manufacturing zones and certainly appropriate for manufacturing zones just not right next to a neighborhood. Um, so with that, uh, I can try to answer any questions or concerns that you have. Can you go back to your picture? Uh the proposed Yes. or the or the the current the proposed

[2:11:32] look 2009 and I'm just trying to find my get my bearings here on what you got here. I again the the part that I struggle with is you've got a fair amount of existing businesses already there. You know in the one section um you've got West Texas Steel right there where right across from where it says starts the H on the highway. I mean there were across there and you no down right there that's West Texas Steel right in there and you know would that comply with what you've got there? I believe um there's they're already zoned again for heavy manufacturing or light manufacturing. Uh if someone came in and said we want to manufacture it generally, you know, wouldn't work with commercial zoning. Uh heavy commercial is the option they have and it allows for some limited manufacturing and production opportunities in some cases. Um, in terms of how this parcel is divided up now, we tried to go through and do this on a parcel by parcel basis to avoid folks coming into us with, well, you know, half of my property is coded for industrial and half is neighborhood. You know, what am I going to do with it? So, in terms of the way it's divided out now, um, certainly, uh, a future street could maybe be added through here to make that a little bit easier and, you know, make industrial a little more palatable for the the property on the front or in terms of adverse effect on the neighborhood. But in terms of really trying to buffer that neighborhood, um we felt that commercial would be a much less intense impact than an industrial thing would be. Um in terms of the development of this area, all these houses currently or all these lots currently have houses on them with the exception of this lot um 16K here, which is kind of buffered on two sides by those more intense uses. So in terms of development of that property moving forward and maintaining the value if someone does choose to invest there, we felt that commercial would be a little bit better impact on the neighbors than an industrial could be. What is the brown?

[2:13:34] The brown is transitional and that's intended for um it it really serves kind of a double purpose. Uh the the actual plan says it's for opportunities less dense than a neighborhood center but maybe more dense than a neighborhood. But it also serves a dual purpose in the fact that if someone came to us and proposed, you know, if this guy um, you know, zoned it light manufacturing or what have you, someone could come in there and say, you know, I'm going to buffer that light manufacturing and use an office commercial zone. We'd take a look at that and see, you know, that office commercial would be a suitable buffer into the neighborhood along those lines. Does that answer your question? Yes, sir. I mean, the fact is this is kind of in an ideal world. Uh but the but but instead of an ideal world, someone uh built a bunch of homes next to industrial, right? And this this area was annexed in 1997 and there was a lot of this industrial development along the highway. The West Steel you'd mentioned was, you know, was there probably well before the houses were is what I'd found. And then, you know, these houses have been successful despite that. Um but, you know, moving forward, you know, not everyone's going to treat their manufacturing zones the same. someone could go in there and do something much worse than what West Texas Steel is doing. So, in terms of, you know, buffering and protecting the investment these folks have, we went ahead and recommend these changes. Okay. I I'm looking for a motion. The motion is either to accept this uh as guidelines and move forward or to remand it back with some some specificity for the staff and and others to take a look at planning commission or to deny it uh straight away. So what what's the pleasure and let's get something to move us forward? I make a motion to approve as presented because it is a guideline. I've studied and studied. I've been out there. I've looked at it. I I understand there's some build I'm the commercial or the neighborhood purple zone. I'm not so sure that's what's going to actually work there. Part of it will, the left side will. The right side might be residential, but they can come back for

[2:15:36] a zone change. We'll approve it immediately. It makes sense. I don't I just don't know what's going to happen to that piece. So, I wonder about some of these things like Kendall's doing, but I'm not sure that we can figure it out what to do with it. Okay. A motion. A motion to approve. a motion to approve because it's a guideline. Do I have a second on his motion? Okay, I think a motion died. What do What motion do I have? I'll make a motion to send it back. Second. I have a motion to remand it back to the planning commission and to staff because we're concerned about because we're concerned. I think that you It's too colored. Okay. Okay. I I think you've got you've got existing businesses that that it it doesn't fit with what is there. Okay. So, because we would like to have something a little more consistent with what is there. Is that your second, Miss Farmer? Yes. and and my concern is is the number of complaints that we've had in the motion that was filed in the past from the residents in the area which we had to explain to them that the industrial and the commercial that is along 277 was there long before they bought their house there and I Okay. So, Mr. Hint, I have a motion to remand it back because we'd like to see it be a little more consistent, the vision to be a little more consistent with the actual. Okay. And and so I got a motion and a second for that. Now, let me open up for comments from council. Okay. So, I still don't think and as a designer, I'm sitting here thinking, what are they going to do? Because if you look at West Texas Steel, that is commercial. If it gets switched to industrial, you can have industrial applications next to a residential area. It's not going to work. They can purchase the farm to the south of them, the gray area, and they can go to uh manufacturing, some kind of industrial manufacturing there, and it's attached to the current property, and they can make that work. I I'm not sure what they're going to do different. Give an example of something they could do

[2:17:38] different. I went down into the purple zone. I said that could be residential, but it's the same thing. I mean, they may not want it to be. Whoever buys that may not want that. So, this goes to the get a zone change. So, it doesn't matter which way it is. Give an example. Give them something to go on. Show them where we have a problem. Exactly. What he I mean, he did. He said that where it's red, I'd like to see more of that stay gray. I mean, that's what he said. Gray area residential. So, But and you've got this one track where Trace Amigo's offices are right there in the brown right up up right there. That's Trace Amigos. They're currently right there. Right. And you're going to make that a transitional area with Well, the offices probably warehouse office would offices and warehouse would work in a transitional vision. Theirs would probably be okay. But but again, the issue what he's saying though, Paul or Mr. Alexander, what he's saying is that, you know, he'd like to see more of the red become gray and he's concerned about the the the way it's done in an ideal state and really the position start becoming well, this is about the future, but how is it going to practically impact people who are already running a business? That's his concern and that's your your I'm looking at the residential around it and and I don't want industrial against residential if we're going to help it. But the industrial was there first. That's the question. What we're doing is keeping it from proliferating against the residential is what we're doing. Am I right on this? Well, how are you guys thinking? That's Yeah, I mean terms in terms of the the current businesses that are there, they can say, well, you know, we're not going to do anything with our property and it's going to continue on. It's only if someone comes in and says, well, I want to get a zone change that this is really going to come into play. So, new So, the new new request new request new request for zoning. the current zoning this there's a few light manufacturing tracks scattered. Uh I think there's one here and maybe one here. Um the rest is already zoned heavy commercial. So it it allows a few folks in this area to actually be a little more intense in terms of their zoning. The heavy commercial is consistent with the commercial vision already and it

[2:19:40] actually allows some folks in this area to maybe you know we haven't really changed it. It was already coded for industrial. It allows them to go and summarize. So our communication to somebody coming in is don't put industrial against a residential area. We we don't want that for somebody coming in, not not an existing business, right? And it it is just a vision for the future. You know, there's a lot of things that are out there now and they may continue on. A lot of them certainly will. Um some of them may not and that's really what the vision tries to, you know, get a a mix of uses in an area so the area can reinvent itself. Like if you've got kind of the similar situation in the north where there was in the northeast part of town that we just annexed a lot of industrial areas, there's not really any opportunity except for conditional uses to go ahead and add retail components, whether it be a restaurant or a tire shop or an auto repair place. Uh they don't always necessarily work in industrial all the time. The auto repair one might, but other, you know, more general retail opportunities wouldn't work in industrial. Um the one the one thing I would say is um there is a gentleman here um with this lot here. If you do remand this back to planning commission, you may consider um just this portion in here because his request is in um to follow state law in terms of what's mandated to follow this comprehensive plan. Uh his request is um hinging upon this becoming industrially envisioned instead of neighborhood due to what he's proposed. Could you go back to the what is current and currently it's envisioned for neighborhood right now it's in yellow res isn't a good fit for that can I make my motion to remand it back with can I can I do that yeah I mean you could you could make a motion to accept that portion you can make a motion to accept that portion you could also make a motion to go ahead and if you want this parcel turned to gray you could approve it you know everything else and just tell staff have to make this as gray and send it through like that if you wanted to then and leave the rest. You could you

[2:21:42] could do it on a parcel by parcel basis or send it back to planning commission for further discussion as well. Okay. I don't have a problem with that. Right there up up brown the brown and right there. I don't have a problem with that. So, you could make a motion to approve that and send the rust back, I believe. Is that correct, AJ? Street north. Okay. Uh yeah, what what AJ suggested was maybe make a motion to approve everything maybe from the street north and then remand the rest back to planning commission. Um that street being Clarice Court. Um or you know you could certainly do it in a different way and just do it on this property and remand the rest back as well. Um it's really you know really up to the council in terms of what they what you guys would like to do. Okay. I I think for us to stay in accordance with state law, we should probably not single out that property. If you're okay with a certain segment of this plan, let's identify that segment by street boundaries, vote on that and send the remainder back. That way we're very clear. This is Clarice Court. State law's concern is with spot zoning and and also just the principles out something. Yeah. So the idea that you're saying just that one property I want to do X. That's that's what they're kind of zeroing in on. So they're wanting you to do something that's larger than that one one property. Is this part of it too? So you could say the area bounded by Clarice Court to the southwest, US Highway 277 to the east, um so forth. Describe that particular section and treat that section separately from the rest of the plan which you'd like to have a little more

[2:23:44] work done on. Okay. Uh, I I guess I could amend it to the thing is the only section in there that I really like is that gray section and that little brown. That's the transition. I don't have a problem with that. But you got the red below it and you got the red north. Let me ask you a couple of questions. What about turning the you see the little red triangle go that one? You have any concern there? We just stay gray or be red. I'm talking to Mr. Hers. I I think it should all be uh the gray. But you made a motion. Do you want to keep your motion and take a vote? Do you want to uh withdraw your motion and see if I get another one? Well, Kendall, what are we doing? Trying to protect somebody. Uh I'm not protect totally. I'm just want to protect the businesses that are there today right now that are operating. I don't want to hinder hurt hamper their efforts in the in what they're doing today right now. I I thought they were grandfathered, right? Not even not even grandfathering. If in terms of, you know, it's it's more it's more than grandfathered because grandfathered would mean you're okay, but if you quit doing it, the next guy can't. Okay? More than grandfathered because what it's saying is you could sell your business to somebody that wants to keep doing what you're doing. Okay? So, so it's more than grandfathered. Uh, that's why I was

[2:25:46] asking earlier about, you know, the can you make the guy in the purple area do something? You said the only trigger was if somebody comes in and says, "I want to." Correct. You've got three different groups of people. You've got people that are legally non-conforming, grandfathered, people that are legal and allowed by right, which is what we have here. And so those are two groups are the groups that you seem principally concerned with. But understand that if our planning process becomes zone it what it's zoned, we don't plan ahead any further. So we try to make sure that we make you aware of when we're bringing these and we have areas that they're their their clock is ticking so to speak. But in this case the only trigger is if they themselves okay bring a request in. All right. So if if if I could clarify my to to give some meats and bounds of what it would be and inclusive of certain tracks. Can I do that? That'd be ideal. Meats and bounds of between Grand Canal Road and US Highway 277 including I can't read all those. 17 181 19. I guess that's one two three and four tracks. Mhm. Can you show approving that as presented? Okay. Second. That's what I would change. And remanding the rest back to back to planning. Planning and staff. Perfect. Okay. Okay. You good with that? It makes a lot of sense. When AJ's happy, then I'm all right. I have a motion and a second. You mean the area you with the mouse, correct? just to visually show the brown, the gray and red, but not the red and going not there down. Okay, perfect. So, he's he is saying he'd like to approve the brown, the top gray, and the top red as presented and remand the red down all of that back to planning uh for another

[2:27:50] run at it. Uh a little more consistent with what it already is. Correct. Yes. Correct. Okay. And I have a second from Miss Farmer. Now again, do I have uh further discussion? Mr. Silver, that's more clarification. I'm I'm ready to vote. Okay. Do I have public input on this item before I call for a vote? 20. Okay. Okay. Call for the vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Sorry to make that so confusing. That's right. Okay. Okay. This item has moved forward. Let's go to item number 16. This is the first public hearing in consideration of introduction of an ordinance amending chapter 12 exhibit A PD13-02 uh re refer or um u regarding Luke Bernett and a presentation by interim senior planner Jeff Hints. Uh this is the the last you'll hear from me today. Um unless something random comes up so some of you might be glad for that. Anyway, um this is at 1245 Grand Canal Road. The the property we just specifically talked about the vision plan map 4. Um eight notifications were sent uh for this particular request. Uh we received numerous responses that were from outside that area as well. Um this is a map of all those notifications we'd received. I will say um the minute record that was included in the background report um a representative of the neighborhood that uh is indicated by the yellow here uh did come forward and felt that with that vision amendment to kind of buffer the neighborhood from those industrial uses and the strict guidelines of the plan development um she said that the she didn't voice any opposition at that point at the meeting to this particular request. Um I can get into the details of the ordinance later on but this is the area we just uh took a look at so we're all very familiar with it. So, I'll just kind of breeze through these. This is that gray and then the remainder would be the brown from the vision plan map as the buffer into the neighborhood. Um, that being passed now, um, this request is consistent with the comprehensive plan at this point. So, you can legally, uh,

[2:29:53] consider this request. Um, so this map is now outdated as of a couple minutes ago. Um, looking southwest from the subject property, you can see several of those homes that are already there. Um, you can see those more industrial uses that, um, you know, buffer this area. There's a telecommunications tower. Um several oil field businesses in this area as well as some light manufacturing activities in this area. Um looking at the remainder of the property, this is what would be preserved as that um that brown area from before the transitional. It would retain its office warehouse zoning which works as a buffer in this case. Uh the applicant is here and can certainly elaborate more on uh the type of plans they've got for this property moving forward. Um considering the application, the council may approve the zone change. uh remand it back to planning commission approved subject to modification of the proposed conditions of this plan development or deny it alto together. Um staff does recommend approving this zone change and planning commission recommended approval of it with the conditions on April 15th. Um we've gone through a lot of the history and the background and the criteria for approval. Um I can get into um the rationale for the recommendation if you'd like me to. Okay. Would you like him to go further or do motion to approve? I have a mot I have a motion from Mr. Alexander to approve, a second from Mr. Morrison. Do I have other questions concerning the presentation? Do I have other questions concerning the vote or the the motion? Do I have public input on this item? Okay, I'll call for this vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay, item number 16 is is uh passed. He didn't go over the oppositions. There were more oppositions than in favor. I just Would you like Okay. Normally we hear them, right? Item 17. This is a consideration of approving a change order uh number 15 to include the repair of the pedestrian bridge west of Abe Street under the agreement with Templeton Construction.

[2:31:57] Didn't you kind of like just get this approved? What am I missing? It does need council's approval because of the amount. We talked about the item before, but this is actual change order into because of the dollar amount. Okay. I'm like motion to approve. Second. All right. This is the change order uh in the amount of $167,128 uh funded in equal parts by the river project contingency funds and the city self-insured fund. Nice presentation. You got a motion and a second to approve. Uh now I'm looking for questions on the presentation or on the motion. Mr. How are you going to enhance it? What what are you doing? It's basically replacement of the uh metal supporting structures underneath it. U some of them have rusted out and uh basically replace those as well as the uh all the wooden parts of the bridge, the the floor and the railing. So are you getting away from metal or steel? because that seems to be a real problem. No, you just had to go. It was just poorly designed. What's the protocol that it's not wood, but it looks like wood. Uh tracks. TX. Yeah. Recycled lumber. But the option that we have with repair is a very excellent hardwood. Um that it's going to last at least about 20 years. Excellent. Just I guess one comment. Who's doing the design work on this? Excuse me. Who's doing the design work? the uh we had an engineer that did the design work and working with Templeton we've got the and so it'll be properly designed with weepholes and andor sealed or whatever it may be. Yeah. And just so you know, Councilman Hersfield had asked us to look into other options. We did look at pricing a new one. Basically got this same thing. We're rebuilding the whole thing and it's cheaper to rebuild. So that that reminds me of my question. Um how old is it now? was installed in 8182. 8182 and the price of a new one is 220

[2:34:00] to to or two something I saw in there. But then Yes, ma'am. How many years for just repairing do you get for 167 versus a new one at 220? That's what I was looking at. Do we going to get more years with the new one then? We estimate that the lifespan either replacement or repair would be about the same. Correct. Okay. And we hope this will even last longer. That one had a a fault in the design. So, this one we're correcting that uh to make sure it doesn't happen again. And I don't I don't imagine that'll be ready before the river fest. Well, if we went with the replacement option, we probably wouldn't be, but with the repair option, we should be uh extended three three to four weeks till middle of September with the repair option. Middle of October with the replacement option. So, are you just you just replacing or upgrading the the structure? What about the foundation or what's in the roof in the water? The supporting elements stay the same with the repair. Okay. And or the replacement. Okay. Mr. Silvas, you go ahead. Any other questions before I call for a vote? Any public input on this item? Call for this vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Item number 18. This is the discussion and possible action on matters related to the establishment of new landscape plantings for some development projects. So on the river corridor, Rio Vista Park, Love Municipal Pool, and City Hall Plaza. We have a presentation by our parks and recreation director, Carl White. Sure. As you know, in beginning June 1st, we'll be in drought uh stage two. Drought stage two does not allow for the watering of new landscapes other than the once every seven days watering one inch a week until November 1st and of course once every 14 days out past that point. Uh we have we're about to finish some projects Rio Vista the river uh the love municipal pool and the city hall plaza. Uh because we're going into drought stage two, uh we're recommending that we don't uh follow up and do the the

[2:36:01] landscaping of those projects. We did take this to the parks recreation advisory board and they did concur with that recommendation. And with that said, Carl, I'll cover it, but that's just the plantings. We're going to put in mulch. We're going to make it look nice, but it's just the plantings, right? Okay, we'll take measures to make sure that we protect the the ground either through hydromulching or um mulching itself or weed weed fabric to keep the ground in place. Folks, you have a a presentation to have a motion to approve their their judgment or recommendation. I don't guess. You said discussion and possible action. I didn't know if you were waiting for someone to say, "Yep, that's what we want you to do or not." Well, unless you wanted to give us other direction. Yeah. Nope. I think you're good to go. Okay. Item number 19. This is the discussion and possible action on matters related to fiscal year 2012 2013 budget uh cash flow. Mayor, I'm sorry. Can I just step back one minute, Carl? So, if we put this off once we're out at the drought level, then we can bring it back and then Yes, sir. And of course planting turf, much of the landscaping is planting turf and we have a a window of opportunity to do that usually in May through August at the latest. Uh but the planting of trees typically we do that in the fall. So it depends on what we're planting and when we hit that opportunity when the conditions are better. And the reason I ask and again as you well know the dead trees along the river and we get those replaced. I hope that doesn't go away. So that's what I wanted to totally agree with you. Okay. Okay. Okay, this is number 19. Uh, discussion and possible action on matters related to the fiscal year 2012 2013 budget. Presentation by our manager, budget manager, Morgan Check Whiten. Correct. Thank you. All right. I want to be sure I came close. So, today before you I have several

[2:38:03] items. Uh, you'll see, of course, on your agenda that there are three items I have before you for discussion. there were some uh lingering issues coming out of the fiscal year 13 budget preparation uh that we all wanted to discuss midyear. Uh so here we are and and I have those before you for discussion today. Uh the first item is uh recall that we started a tradition of setting aside about $1.7 million every year to cash flow some muchneeded capital projects. uh we adopted the budget with those funds in place uh but did not quite make um decisions about where those funds should be allocated. I do have a staff recommendation for um how those funds should be used. Uh recall that these are funds that we generally set aside for uh street reconstruction, drainage remediation. Uh we're setting aside a an amount towards a fire truck every year and any other capital needs. And so, uh, I do have, uh, engineering staff with, uh, to turn it over to them for this section to talk about some much needed needs, uh, to utilize those funds. Okay. Good morning. Tim Wolf, interim city engineer. Uh, for the Avenue P project, that is one of the capital projects, um, vying for this money. Uh, we did have a bid opening on that project in March, and the low bid on that was about 2.6 6 million council had approved 1.8 million for the project. Um 755,000 of that was a carryover from and that's incorrect. It should be fiscal year 2011 2012. Um but a total of $1.8 million which leaves us a difference of almost 800,000. Uh working with the contractor to try to reduce that and get any possible savings we can get out of that. We've worked down to about $640,000 that we still need to fund this project. Um, with that project, just as y'all probably already know, but for everybody else, it is a concrete box cover culvert underneath West Avenue P all the way from South Bryant Boulevard past South Chadurn

[2:40:06] Street to the Red Aoyo. Uh, it collects runoff from about 400 acres, which generally is from the Nickerbacher Road to Jackson Street, Avenue in to Bryant Boulevard. That that general area is what runs here. Um, this project is designed to contain the five-year storm event underground, maybe a little bit more than that. Um, what that means is, well, the five-year storm event will be underground probably about the 10-year event in the street and a little bit more than that up in the yards before it floods any houses. Um, this kind of just a little bit of history of rainfall events. Um, these numbers are from the National Weather Service. may be a little bit low just because of the the way the data is collected, but uh as you can see since 1950, we've had about 32 two-year events and only seven five-year events. Um, prior to 1950, we even had 200-year events. That was probably in the early 30s. Um, it just kind of gives you an idea of how often you're going to expect to see flooding issues in here. So, um, a five-year event does not mean it's only going to happen once every five years. That's not how it's calculated. There's just a one in one in 20% chance that uh you'll have that event in any given year. Um this this project has been in design for quite a while. Um I know there are a lot of people counting on this. Um it is a high-profile project and uh it will give quite a bit of relief to a lot of people in this area. Um that's for the Avenue P project. But you so you have a 10% chance a one in 10 year event. Yes sir. That what would happen if this is in place and you have a 10-year event. What's what's the likely outcome? The 10-year event it would the all the drainage should be captured within the street. Then the the five-year event the 10-ear event is about double the fiveyear. So, if we have the five-year underground 10-year event would be up in the in the street and and some in the

[2:42:09] yards above that, it may get into some of the houses, but of course, not near the frequency that it is now. Okay. Um, thank you. Other questions on the presentation? Okay. Does anyone want to take a piece of this or do you want to hear all of it and then So, what are we what are we approving that that you we we can raise the budget from the 1.8 8 to the 1 to 2.4 2.44 $640,000 of the 1.7 million. The the staff recommendation is that this 1.7 million is budgeted. Uh we would like the direction from council to utilize it for Avenue P project which was over bid and the mill and overlay projects which uh Mr. Mr. Wolf also has some information on that be because the projects came in over bid uh the totality of that 1.7 million would be this is just general fund money that we'll be spending correct already budgeted no not not the extra 640 right we're what's before you today is to approve the 1.7 million of general fund dollars to be utilized but there will be an extra component uh needed to satisfy the Avenue P project uh which we're still researching the exact amount to charge to eligible funding sources. For example, mayor, can I can I answer your question about should we take this a piece at a time? I don't think that we've presented enough information to know what the consequence is of approving this. So, I would like Morgan to cover more of her data uh more of her presentation before you bless this this. So, so let's not take it a piece of the time. Fine. But now let's go back though to the specific question you're you're struggling with just a little bit here. Where is the $1.7 million? Do you want that? There is $1.7 million budgeted of general fund capital. A portion of it will be needed to use to satisfy the Avenue P project to get it blessed and give notice to proceed. The remaining portion will be needed to give into the mill and overlay projects.

[2:44:12] But they are general fund dollars. That's my question. There is I believe listed here that there is going to be some part that needs to be charged to the storm water an allowable amount to charge to storm water because there is a quality component not but the bulk of the project is quantity which is why it's in general fund. Okay. Thank you very much. Let's let you keep presenting then and we'll we'll um between the two of you keep presenting and then we'll get to what a vote on a bigger part of it. Okay. for the mill and overlay project. Uh we bid that out in March also and that came in over budget by about $320,000. Um and so that's that's what we're needing for the mill and overlay budget to do the entire project which consists of So is this why Clinton left so you would have to come and present all this stuff about here's what this is going to cost and now it really is going to cost this much. Is that okay? No comment there. We we are here. You ought to run you ought to run for office. You get questions like that all the time. Go ahead. U the Millan overlay project. It is Main Street from Houston to 18th Street. Uh 14th Street from Main Street to Chadburn Street, 19th Street from Bryant Boulevard west to the railroad. And to clarify some earlier maybe discussion, this is just milling of the existing asphalt and resurfacing the street. It's It's not including even any reconstructive base repair or sidewalks or anything else. Um and then also Oak Street from 11th Street to 14th Street. That's what I got money. You did a $640,000 request for Avenue P and 320 for Milan Overlay. But 320 covers all of those projects, right? The 320 covers all of the Milan overlay street. Yes, sir. There were four mill and overlay projects and the 320 covers all four, not any given one.

[2:46:14] Correct. Okay. Correct. And and so that's a total of $960,000. A portion, like Morgan said, a portion of the 640 requested. Yeah. Some of that came from storm water. Storm water because it was quality oriented. Okay. What else do you have? That's what we have on item A. Are we going to talk about Are you going to lead us through how to pay for those? That'd be good. I'm sorry if I'm asking something I shouldn't. Is that a Well, she's I mean, I think what she said was there's $1.7 million in general fund capital funds that are non designated. She wants to take that much of it and designate it, correct? to these two projects so that we could move forward with these two projects. They're projects that we had begun and we needed to to add infuse additional funds to continue. I Okay. And then when you go to B and it's revenues and excessive expenditures, that's telling us where money can come from. That this is an opportunity that when we adopted the budget, uh we adopted revenues and excessive expenditures and wanted to discuss it midyear. So we're not re recommending this as a funding source for So A stands on its own. It can. Yes, absolutely. So can we So A stands on its own, you guys. Okay. So you've you've been asked to come up with 960,000 out of the general fund out of a fund of roughly 1.7 million. And it would take care of the four million lay mill and overlay projects because of the the fact that the bid came in higher than they expected. And it would take care of uh the Avenue P uh drainage improvement with some of that money, a large portion of the 640,000 coming out of the 1.7 million, but some of it coming from uh storm water, the 2.5 million.

[2:48:18] And and remind me where the money where the the funds are. We have $1.7 million dollars from the fiscical year 12 budget that we budgeted set aside for some projects but couldn't proceed. That was just partial funding. Then we have an additional $1.7 million in the fiscical year 13 budget that we have not yet allocated to any project. So there is a large portion of general fund dollars set aside for these projects and a small portion of uh storm water fee used to Okay. This won't take away from any other project or any it's unallocated. Correct. Okay. I was just going to say I thought and that's the way I remembered that 1.7 was allocated to Avenue P. You're well. going on here is that you're you are correct, but you're for whatever reason the numbers are the same, Mr. Silvis, but they're not the same dollars. Okay. What happened when we in 2011 and 12, we said we want we will spend 1.7 million on the Avenue P project and you can come up with some of that money in 2011 and 12 and the rest of that money in 2012 and 13. But it is coincidental that the 1.7. Okay. So, we did say that, but now what they're saying is it didn't come in at 1.7. It came in at 2.6. It was always our intent to set aside some money in fiscal year 12 to fund. We called it phase 1, but to fund the first portion of payment towards. So now what they're, you know, what they're saying now is look that 1.7 or one in this case they say 1.8 isn't going to cover it. 755 is carried forward from 11 and 12, not 12 and 13. Okay. Okay. Seven. That's where we said initially what we would. So, how much of that $640,000 different or the 640 request? How much of that is coming from storm water? Do you know the number? I believe. Michael, do you know? No.

[2:50:19] You don't know? We had the engineers working on a a a recommendation of what was appropriate to charge, how much of the project could be estimated for quality. Okay. So it wasn't it was there there was some science behind exactly what should be charged to storm water and exactly so under the under the votes that put the storm water fee in play Mr. Silvis the the under the unfunded mandate there are rules about quantity of water storm water handling and quality of water storm water handling and the money that's that's raised in that fund can be can be used on quality enhancements but like Avenue P is in many ways a quantity problem right it's flooding houses so they can't spend much of that they can't spend that money to control the flooding of houses. But what they can do is go in and say, "Well, but when we put that water underground and and channel it this way, we're going to improve the quality. Less sediment is washed in, less less uh chemical off the street is washed in, less what?" So, he's going to try to assess what he thinks the quality impact is and then say, "I can come up with some money here for you out of storm water based on the the quality improvements." Gotcha. Involved with this and and he doesn't know the number yet. That's what I'm saying, right? Yes, sir. That's a good deal. Now, the importance of timing on this is that these projects are kind of waiting to happen because they don't have fun. Because they don't have enough funds. So, that's the importance of doing these. That's right. now. Okay. Is am I correct? Correct. And and as we speak I'm sorry. No, that's Go ahead. As we speak about a timeline in issuing notices to proceed and getting these projects uh executed, any any discussion from today or any direction we get today will need to come back in a amendment to the budget ordinance which of course requires two readings. So we have that slotted for the 21st. So there will still be more discussion uh to actually

[2:52:22] adopt this these this action uh and take action on it today. And mayor, Mr. I was I was going to go ahead and I would love to uh just take this A by itself. I mean, I would like to make the motion to approve item A because what what you know, if we get a 5year flood or 10-year flood, it's not only going to affect this area, it's going to affect the city as a whole. I mean, we're all going to feel the effect. So, uh I understand the numbers there, but uh it's a All right. Before you make your motion, let me ask the council to consider something here. Okay. We when we talked about the 19th Street, the bid came back just now with mill and overlay only. But when we talked about this some months back, we talked about putting those sidewalks in and making that part of this bid and that did not happen. And so I don't really you don't no we were strapped for money and we just barely had any and we went the if I'm the one that remembers it that way and I don't have consensus then then I don't have consensus. It's okay. I remember the discussion about let's get those sidewalks in while we're there. So it's here or there. If we don't we don't. So you're saying no. You don't remember it. You don't remember it. Yes. She says she recalls it. But anyway, I you know, I remember bringing up we we've been talking about getting sidewalks there for three years now. Let's get that done while we're doing the mill and overlay. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It it now needs to be something separate. Uh but I'm going to ask that we that we consider that funding out of these dollars while we're funding these things. I want that done. Uh, every time you walk over there trying to, you know, mine was a long time ago, but you walk over there uh asking people to put a sign in their yard and vote for you, you're taking your life in your hands, and you see that they are taking their lives in their hands every day. And so that sidewalk ought to be done as part

[2:54:24] of getting this middle and overlay project done. And I have no problem in my motion adding that, mayor. uh whatever is going to be the easiest transition into getting you guys to move forward. I think the problem is that it's not in the it's not in the okay it's not in the agenda item. So, but what I'm was trying to do is get us to thinking about that because I think I should ask I want to ask them later to bring it back for our consideration. Okay. So that we can so that we can try to handle this all at once. Then let me go ahead and make the motion for us to approve item A as presented with the four streets that mill and overlay and the Avenue P project. I mean may I ask a question first? Okay, you got a motion and now what's the question? In our packet along with this subject you have provided us with August 21st, September 4th and October 16th minutes meetings. Was there a particular purpose? I've been reading through them those three items but in the packet with this subject those minutes of the meeting were in there. Sure. Just to remind that it's an unusual occurrence that we are allocating funds in May for a budget adopted adopted October 1st. So just a reminder of of last direction since it was some time ago. Item B is is an unusual item also to to bring back. So just a reminder of where we were since it has been some time. Pretty much a carryover into this. Well, we're still talking about fiscal year 13 budget budget cuts. During that during that time, council had made a decision on a new city manager. And some of those final decisions they wanted reviewed by the new city manager. The fiscal impact, the fiscal consequences reviewed by the new city manager. And so that's why some of those some of these items were put off. they because uh you wanted uh Daniel involved when it became time to uh develop options and make the final decisions and so that's why we're revisiting some issues which we traditionally would have revisited in a

[2:56:28] quick we were pretty thoroughly we went through the P project as a matter of fact I talked to Councilman Seas about that also I had some initial concerns and we did some more research to determine how much of an impact that would have to actually invest in that project and um I got the information that I needed and I felt more comfortable now with the information that we have. Okay, other questions, Miss Farmer? Any other questions? Mr. Morrison? Second. Okay, I have a motion and a second to approve item A. Do I have further questions on the motion or on the presentation concerning item A? Do I have public input on this item? Okay, let me call for this vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? Okay, item B. So item B as we've alluded to it is uh recall that when we adopted the the budget ordinance of all funds the general fund in particular we adopted u with revenue in excess of expenditures. Those are funds that are available for use certainly and uh again we had direction to discuss it midyear and and and let Mr. Valenuela look at that. We had an update to give you as a result of of budgeting certain revenues at certain levels that didn't come into play. uh primarily the user fees. Uh recall that we had uh had budget discussion about raising the user fees to a level that would be effective October 1st and the budget was built that way that if when those the planning fees for example were delayed to be implemented till January 1st. So there were three months where we budgeted at a certain level but did not execute at that level and the remaining fees uh were not uh have not yet been adopted. Recall that that you want Mr. for Venuela to work through those and and make recommendations on those. So, as a result of of not adopting those fees, our revenues actually need to be decreased by $297,000, which means that the remaining revenue over expenditure is really only $321,000. And I included the minutes on this item because we specifically uh um made some reference to perhaps if we were still in in dire drought states that this revenue

[2:58:30] and excessive expenditures could potentially be used uh to to talk about uh that satisfying that drought. So uh it's here before you today as requested um but certainly available for whatever discussion or direction we from the council question. Okay, Mr. ers felt what's the urgency in dealing with this today. There there is no urgency. Uh we just wanted to to be diligent in that it was discuss discuss to discuss midyear. So then my opinion would be that I would prefer for this just to lead into our budget discussions and even have a carryover carryover of $321,000 that goes into the budget discussions. Correct. That's my opinion. Okay. So there's a decision here really to say look this money is sitting out there and it'll be just fine to let it sit out there until budget time and discuss what to do with it. Then you have consensus. Let's move to item C. Absolutely. We wanted to reminder that um October 16th the city council did adopt uh uh changing the ambulance fees. There was much discussion and background uh included there. I'll very briefly touch on it since since all of y'all are aware of the issue. uh we adopted the fees but didn't budget for that revenue or budget for any use of that revenue at that time. And so uh we do have some some pressing needs that need to be addressed and I do have uh the fire chief available to speak to that. But recall at that October 16th discussion that we noted for example uh these five needs uh the training center uh which we have the grant for but of course there's a a general fund local match required. Uh the need to fund two ambulances per year. uh a dire need for updated software uh and uh money set aside every year for firet truck and then of course uh issues with the salaries uh there at the fire department and actually I'd like to kind of make sure that we understand the salaries portion of it. Uh we're not talking about just doing increases right now for

[3:00:32] one certain segment as far as our staff. We're looking at making sure that the pay grade uh the steps and so forth are addressed and make sure that uh compression issues are addressed also. I would ask my same question. Should this be So your question is should this be part of an upcoming budget discussion or does this need to be dealt with today? Staff's recommendation is that we do discuss taking some action today because of the needs. Um there is a phil philosophical discussion to have about should we dedicate or reinvest or do we want to use it for any use? It's certainly available for that. the pressing needs I'll get to here on this this last slide is that um the software is no longer being supported by the company and I I'm kind of getting out of my comfort zone here but the the fire chief can speak to that the software is is is a dire need and and and our uh staff running on hot calls is is in danger of needing that software and uh we have a fire truck that's in dire needs of being replaced at this time this year. Okay. I'm also in that in the camp that we need to deal with this one today. My reason for that is that the ongoing discussions with the previous city manager and Michael Dayne and so forth. This is a this is kind of a processdriven decision that they've been trying to implement where they say, "Look, let's put a certain amount of money aside every year so that these fire trucks are paid for when they come along and we don't have to do that." If you guys remember the ladder truck debac, not really debacle, but you remember that all of a sudden you feel like you have to come up with a million bucks to buy a a ladder truck. You remember that? And so this is this is an effort to say, "Look, let's do so much a year all the time." And uh and so I think good planning has gone in here and that we ought to approve this uh with with uh following their recommendations here of updating the software and doing the firetruck uh allowance or not allowance but set aside so that when it's time to buy our firet trucks there the money's there and it's been planned and and so forth. So, in in

[3:02:36] this case, I'd prefer that we not wait until budget time to deal with this, but that we do approve uh this. And so, in the un unusual uh but and almost abnormal for me, I'm going to go ahead and make a motion that we approve item C as recommended by staff. Okay. So now let's see if So you're you're making a motion for all three years of Yeah, I'm I'm recommending I'm I'm I am making a motion that we approve this as it is recommended by staff. This has been dealt with for several years, been planned on for several years. This is just them trying to do what they've been putting in place and I want to support that and move it forward. So but I have a a question that you know also what there's been meetings and whatnot is it's not salaries as a salary increase. It's an adjustment uh in their ratings of of how they're currently rated. Admittedly, there is more work to be done that that staff's plan does address the training center, updated software, and firetruck, which are more our most urgent critical need. Go back to what what I'm saying about the recommendation doesn't have anything about salaries. Okay. But there the we still are going to consider the adjustment in their but not the way it's recommended right now is the years one, two, and three. the way it's it's presented. Now, the compression as far as those adjustments and so forth will be actually reviewed for our budget cycle coming up this this year. That just that's not just to address the fire department, but other departments also are going to have some issues. But, uh again, that's where uh the recommendation is coming from. I know what she's thinking. The the item that that Charlotte and that's you're exactly right. The the salaries were discussed when we presented this item, we brought up the various things. We had salaries, we had fire trucks, we had ambulances, we had software issues. At the end of the day, all of those dollars come from somewhere. So, you can take all this money and put it in the general fund and, you know, distribute it to salaries or whatever. But the end of the day decision you all have to decide is uh all of those things have to happen in

[3:04:37] some form or fashion. Where we pay for them, you know, it all washes out. But go back to the recommendation page for a second. What I'm describing today is saying, look, the money that that they've been setting aside, I want it to be applied as staff has recommended it. I want any salary discussions to be done as part of the major budget discussions because I don't want it to just be about the fire. I want those discussions to be held when you're talking about what do you want to do with the police, what do you want to do with the fire, what do you want to do with the rest of the staff, street and bridge, and and on and on and on. So, I would not want to support this personally if salaries were there because I don't like compartmentalizing salaries for different groups. I would rather that be part of a broader bigger discussion. But, but I would like to be setting money aside for firet trucks so that it just is set aside and when you need a firetruck, you buy one instead of it coming in as a special need like the last one did. So, that's the reason you're asking. What I feel like you're asking is let's approve this for the next three years, but I'm not having any warm and fuzzy feeling on a new sitting council to do the adjustments that we have been working on and looking at in the future for the firemen and for other departments. I I just don't have a warm fuzzy feeling that a new city council will carry that through. And I I do believe that adjustments need to be made so that we don't continue to have these problems in the salary. if you want to call it that. Well, that's fine except for I can't support that today by any stretch because because they're not prepared to tell you what the salary needs are. Wait a minute. Now we're skipping over a November meeting that Charlotte was at, Kendall was at, I was at. I don't know if Rick was there. I can't remember what city I know Lisa Marley was there. Chief Dunn was there. And we hammered away and hammered away until we had a win-win-win solution in which we saved money. We raised money for the fire training

[3:06:38] center and we save money for the taxpayers. Win-winwin taxpayers fireman decompression issues and our taxpayers. So win-winwin. We walked out of the meeting and now we're presented this. So our meeting wasn't is not being considered here. And so we we also us three were able to meet and and come up with a plan and I just don't see it. There is the the figures are there as far as Brian and and he has worked with the association as well as far as what it would cost to to fix the compression. So that information is is done. We have worked on that. Um like the mayor said, there's other salaries to be looked at. So whether you want to look at this in this particular compartment or you want to look at salaries as a whole, you know, I agree. when you should look at salaries. I agree they should be adjusted. They need to be adjusted where you choose to pay for those. And what I think I hear Charlotte saying is if we take care of salaries now, the fire truck will get taken care of during the budget. It it will because we will. I mean, we won't I don't I I'm with her. We I don't get the warm fuzzies either. This has been going on for years and years. Well, you didn't take care of the firetruck in the last year's budget either or you wouldn't be talking about it in near in mid year. We didn't vote this through. We voted to wait and look at it again. Mr. Morrison and technology you've been asking to be acknowledged. Well, I guess the first thing I want to ask about is when did this meeting with Paul and Kendall and Charlotte take place when the rest of the council was not involved. But we It wasn't a public meeting. It was a meeting to to sort out ideas to pitch things back and all of us at one time. No, it's just three of us. We can do three. We can't do four. Yeah, but the decisions that we make on budget and everything else is supposed to be done right here in the public and not done at a meeting somewhere else. And then and that I've got a real serious problem with that. I think all this needs to be set back until budget time and when budget time comes up then we'll worry about it. We don't need to mess with this today. And I don't think we ought to be having meetings with three of us making all these decisions with win-winwin when the rest of council and the public not even knowing anything

[3:08:41] about it. Okay. Decision. I'm going to back up. I made a motion. It looks like it is dying for lack of a second to take staff's recommendation. Okay. Now, having said that, let's move forward then. What are you you know, Mr. Morrison, are you going to make a motion that we do nothing with this today? I'll make a motion we do nothing with it. Put it into the regular budget cycle, and then we'll all work it out. It can all be worked out in the budget cycle. Okay. So, I have a motion not to deal with this today, but to deal with it at another time as part of the budget decisions. for the for the sake of discussion, I'm going to second that. But I've got a couple of questions for Brian and I'm all for you guys and your department, but sell me a little bit more on the software and then tell me what kind of condition of the fire truck is in today that will it make it till the next budget cycle or four months probably. Uh the software uh we have not been supported. I was in I had it in last year's budget. It was cut. I believe I had it in the previous year's budget. There's been no money for there. um they haven't supported. This is what we do all our data reporting, all our ambulance runs, our fire runs in, we report to emp which is a national fire incident reporting system. All our uh ambulance run data that we send to uh the billing company. This is a system that I'm talking about that is unsupported by our current company. What they want us to do is upgrade which is either this cost or more or we find a different system. That's our two choices. So we're behind the times as far as the software. behind the times and basically he left out. If it goes down right now, we're Yeah, we're going to have a problem. We're out of business. Uh the fire truck uh is 18 years old. The recommended replacement for firet trucks is at 12 years. We usually I usually I have a capital plan that I have at 15 years. We buy good trucks. We take good care of them. They'll last 15 years and then we roll them into reserve. This truck is now 18 years old, will be over 19 before it gets replaced. So, it's not only used up its life, but

[3:10:43] used up my reserve time, too. So, that that's and we're having some major mechanical issues with that truck also. I have another truck that's older than that, but at least it's not having quite as many issues. So, then what what is the difference in the truck, the $200,000 truck versus the next year's 310,000? Is it's because they're getting trying to get to an annual number right now. A regular fire pumper costs just over 400,000. I add about 50,000 for equipment that we replace on it. The air packs, uh, all the other stuff that we replace cuz they're on there for 15 years. And that's how we replace our air packs through our system is when we get trucks, we replace our air packs. The 300,000 we need to buy a truck, buy a truck off a year. That's about 900,000 in present value cost. That's where the 300,000 on the 300,000 I put up on that PowerPoint back in October. That was present value cost for that. And that's two trucks. The other part of the fire truck is if this uh funding source is dedicated for the replacement of fire trucks in this fashion, the 300, 300, 300 for two trucks. What that does is the 250 per year that we're funding out of the 1.75 million we talked about in item A is freed up. So you're dedicating this funding source and covering the full need of the firetruck which is a little higher than we're funding now. It frees that money up to be used um as you see fit during the normal budget process. also fully funds it at 250 per year which is what the current commitment is. We're not getting that fully funded. So that was that was the basis between behind the 310 and that is we set an equal amount aside each year in a three-year cycle and two of those years we're going to buy new trucks.

[3:12:47] So that that was really Brian kind of put that together. He you know he said this is what my needs are and we tried to smooth the impact over all years rather than just hitting certain years. And so we like the idea that from a year-to-year basis our commitment is relatively stable. It's not 450 this year 450 next year and then nothing the year after that. So we we try to smooth that burden. And uh the debt service on the training center, we have a grant. Rick, do you remember how much that grant was? 1.2 million. 1.2 million. We're going to need to come up with some local match. Uh initial ideas included uh a debt issue where we service that debt over 10 years. Is that what you plan, Brian? that would be that was the one I submitted in October which was this about 170,000 170 would cover that debt service. Uh and so those are that's those are the two main parts of that recommendation. Chief, would you also please address the training center and why why now why it's needed? the the training center as I when I came to y'all. Right now, TCQ uh has issued me letters basically forbidding me to burn or do those kind of activities down at the training center. So, we've got around it this last year. Um but if we get um out where we cannot train firefighters and rep replace the ones that are leaving, this will cause uh our overtime to go through the roof. I know most of y'all probably weren't here in 2003, but I lost through retirement and what we gained. Our overtime bill went up to $800,000 that year. So, I mean that which was two and a half times what we normally ran at the time. Uh, so it takes 14 months to get these people through training. Um, and if we cannot replace in a timely manner, not only is that going to happen, we will have huge bills on the operational side. Also, uh

[3:14:51] the training center is a component of the ISO rate. It is worth several points from what we have to do out there. Um GoodFellow Air Force Base, we do a little bit of training out there. Last week I talked to three of them because uh I know in the past people have talked to them about stuff we do out there. We can do a little bit of training with Goodfellow. Most of it is on a few hours or maybe a day basis. I talked to Chief Foot, Ken Johnson, and uh I had a meeting scheduled with Colonel Furlam, which is over the fire mission out there. He had to leave, but I talked to his chief master, I believe he's a chief master sergeant, uh about the possibility if we did could do broader scope training out there. It's not possible to run a 4 and a half month rookie training school out there. right now they are working on their fiscal year 2015 um classes that they're putting together and they are over I believe the words they use was over taxed uh they have more requests than they actually have slots for to fill for the military needs right now. So uh and we explore that option as an opportunity perhaps forgoing the purchase of a training center to see if perhaps you can come up sometime of agreement with Goodfellow Air Force Base that would allow for that. But um as the chief mentioned, that's not really a uh an option. No. Well, and that process is in play out at Howard College. Okay. Listen, I have a motion in a second. Uh they said for sake of discussion, but I mean, but I don't you know, my perspective again, we went through this process kind of October, November, and said we're we didn't make a decision. We're going to let uh the new city manager review. He's reviewing and he's approving of the stack re staff recommendation. you have the fire chief sitting here saying this is what I need to do with this money. Uh so I'm I'm I'm kind of at a loss. I think we should be supporting this. Anyway, I have a a motion and a second to push this until budget time and so I'm going to take a vote on that. Is there anything else related to uh this item before I call for that vote? Okay.

[3:16:55] Public input on this. Come on up. Mayor, council, uh, Bubba Barnett, uh, president of the firefighters association. I just have a few points I want to, uh, mention here. Uh, we've been told by the city, um, over the years that you can, uh, find one-time money easier than ongoing funding sources such as capital funds. Uh, we've not been able to fix our pay scale problems because there's not been ongoing funding source. uh you're sitting and deciding on that funding source right now. Uh money that is being char changed charged from the work our firefighters, paramedics are doing right now as we speak. This is the only opportunity we have seen to fix our problems in in many years if ever. Just want to give a little background on our pay scale stuff. I've been involved with our pay issues for about 10 years. Our pay scale is a disaster. There's no way to see where you are in the pay scale and not many firefighters could tell you where they're at on it. We have not been able to give a fair pay raise across the board to all ranks since I've been involved. The differential between each ranks now is like 8% to 29% between each rank. So there's a so a 3% raise to all firefighters is what the city normally tries to do every year. It's not really fair when the differentials are that far out. The firefighters for the last several years have asked the city staff to tell us the amount you can give us for raises and let us use that money to help fix our pay scale problems and make it more fair. Until last year, that is what we have had. We have done. We took our 3% across the board or whatever the city has allowed that year and tried to fix our problems knowing that many would not get a raise. This is a hard sale to firefighters who would not get a raise that year, but man, it was better for our pay scale and for our department. Last year, we did not do that because we were under the impression that this decision before us today would fix our problems. We have several people in steps right now that will lose money if they

[3:18:57] promote. We worked very hard uh several years back to get us out of that position where guys lost money to promote and last year knowing this was on the verge. We tried to get this implemented last year. It didn't work out quite in a timeline. We were told to work on it, come back and this is where we we were at. We did meet with council and some staff and uh we were under the impression last year that this uh pay scale correction was a goal and that as soon as Chief Dunn and I uh had the numbers worked out, we can implement with council approval. So, we're here to implement this. I'm not sure why staff is all of a sudden going towards recommending uh capital needs. Uh capital needs are are easier to find, but we don't have this ongoing funding source very often. So, uh, firefighters also do not have meet and confer. We try to have a good working relationship with council and staff. We trust that you will listen and consider our concerns and make the decisions that you feel is right. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Other public input. Okay. I've got a motion uh and a second to move this, you know, not to make any action today or take any action today and move this into the future budget discussions. All those in favor of that, please say I. I All those opposed? Nay. I'm a nay. There's one, two, three. One, two, three. I need a new motion. Okay. Okay. And I see I'm some kind of halfway between you and halfway between the where they are down here. I I could go for approving the software and the training center. Uh and then we deal with the fire trucks in the regular budget. And so that will be my motion to approve the recommendation to make a motion to accept the software and training center proposal. Okay, sir. I think the point that Bubba just made is something that I think that needs to

[3:21:00] be discussed. I think I think that staff needs to get I think they need to consider this and I think if we start designating this money right now instead of incorporating what they're asking for I think that's a disservice to them and if we will just put this in line and do it according to the schedule and do this in our budget cycle then we can not only take care of the software and the fire truck and the training center but we also can address our firemen. The money is there. It's just a matter of appropriating it. I don't see why we have to appropriate it today when we need to look at a good total picture and we can do that in our budget cycle. I I I don't see any reason to rush in on this. I would like to just weigh in on Mr. Barnett's comments. We have been working for several years in a way to adjust the salaries so that they don't take a penalty for promotion. Uh we've been trying to get there. We're still not there. To me, this is not to consider a salary increase for that department. They were told by the council to come up with the way that we could adjust these salaries. And you know, when I stop and think of the work that they do, I have to put that man ahead of any capital improvements first. Uh I could go along with a second on uh Mr. Mr. Hirshfield's motion on the software, the training center, but I would like to include in there that adjustments be made accordingly that we have been working on in that area. Okay. I can't I can't support doing anything with a with a designated fund for salaries. That makes no sense to me at all. So, uh, next year ambulance fees go for that. The third year they go for that. My sense of what we should be doing and what you should be doing as a council on salaries is fixing their problem and other problems. That's the you've got real salary issues to deal with. And they're not beginning wage

[3:23:02] issues per se because if you go through they get applications, they get people in school. It's compression problems. It's what he described when he said, "Why would I take a job the next job to make less money?" You got to infuse real dollars in this and it needs to be done uh through the way that you spend your general fund dollars. A much bigger number five 54 million 57 million a year that you're that you have to deal with there. That's what should be part of your annual budget discussion is what are we going to do about salaries? And not just for these guys who who have a problem and need the problem fixed, but the police department has a compression problem. you need to deal with that and fix that. You you have compression problems in multiple departments at the city. And so I don't want to use a designated ambulance fee fund for that kind of thing. I do like the idea of using a designated ambulance fee uh fee fund for firet trucks so you don't have to come with that money out of the general fund when it's time because then you don't have the money to pay them. And so that's, you know, again, if you it's it's looking at it for how do you want to skin the animal? It's not saying they don't need uh money for their compression problem. They do need money for their compression problem, but you guys ought to be tackling that as a as a council during the budget, and you ought to be handling issues related to salaries for the police department, for the fire department, for the street and bridge folks, for anyone else that's got a compression problem. So, I don't understand why we're bringing that up today as something uh to do with with a designated fund. So, that's my concern. Okay. And conceptually, I'll agree with what you're saying. And I guess the the point of the motion of what I made is that it's what it does is it kind of leaves an an excess out there that that we can discuss at budget cycle on what to do with that. That's my only point is that it uh whether it allows a a you know

[3:25:06] potentially $200,000 as a discussion point that brings it up and say okay we are going to do this we and and I'm in agreement we need to deal with fire police parks everybody we need to deal with it across the board that's just my yeah let me let me just add very quickly also and Mike just alluded to this a little while ago is The thing about budgeting right now as far as for the fire truck with the ambulance fees, designating that is it does free up monies as far as the general fund and to address compression issues coming into this next uh as far as the fiscal year and looking at the different u uh departments and so forth, but especially the ambulance I mean the um the fire department. But at this point, you know, we're saying that those monies will be freed up will be used to focus in on that and and and that's that's good. And but my point on that is that if we I I would like to see that and I think that's something we can do in the general fund discussion, but it it's also holding us accountable during the discussion process to say that we're not just going to cut that fund by 200,000 or 250 that we were budgeting in that we're going to do that with do something else with that. That's kind of my point of saying that it's just ensuring that it's there. Okay. Mr. Alexander and and you were talking about how it's just a different way of skinning the cat and I agree with that and Mr. Morrison said, "We need to have a conversation on this." And I'll say that that's why we met in November is to have a conversation and beat this around and bat it around till we come up with something that we can bring to council and say, "Look, this is what we came up with." And that's what I didn't see here. But what I think we're saying here is that we want to some of us here want to prioritize the decompression issue over the firetruck. The fire trucks, we're going to deal with that when the budget comes. We're going to deal with that. But we're trying to say this decompression issue has got it cannot go. We can't keep pushing it off. It's got to be handled and addressed and we have pushed it off and and done that too

[3:27:08] many years. And I think that's what we're seeing here is we got to get to it now. The fire truck, we won't push it off. We won't because the fire truck will break and we'll have to deal with it. But the the firemen, we can push them off for a long time and I don't we don't want to do that anymore. She changed. Okay. Well, there's no second on a motion, so I have no motion as we It's a pretty good motion because it leaves flexibility. But what I'm trying to do is get the message in here that we've got to deal with the firemen and their uh compression issue. We do. So, it's a pretty good motion. Disagree. No one disagrees though. I'll second the motion. Okay. So, now I have a motion in a second. needs to go in the minutes though that some of us at least in the council prior to that the fireless decompression issue. But your motion was the motion train, right? There's a motion and a second to accept staff's recommendation related to the software and training center debt, declining to accept the recommendation on the firetruck to leave that money aside for future discussion at budget time, whether it's for a firetruck or for pay or for whatever. That's what your motion is. Okay. So, what they're saying what they're saying is we want to follow staff's recommendation on the software and in years two and three on the training center debt, but we are declining to support the firetruck. We want to leave that 200,000 in year 1 and 310 in years two and three for discussion at budget time. And we we would then bring up or discuss salaries and other things and whether the firetruck gets that money. So, $20,000 We're just we're just kind of compromising. We're not accomplishing. We We had something before this was a win-win. Now this is a compromise. It's But even that motion, are are we promising or not promising a firet truck or two next year? You're not promising anything about firet trucks. what you're doing is taking that $200,000 and sticking it aside to be discussed at budget time because I'm you know and and I feel for

[3:29:13] Bubba and for chief I I understand salaries but we have a salary issue across the board you know I wish you guys had a meet and confer you know I wish you had some some arm out there that would speak out for you guys and I guess sort of the way you do but if the Your firet truck is falling apart. Your 19-year-old soon tobe firet truck. I have I have an a concern with that software. I could support year one uh salaries. Totally different different animal. Okay. Well, we've got we have a motion and a second for the software and the training centers. Okay. Is there public input on this before I call for that vote? come on up. My name is Fred Barnett and I'm a battalion chief uh with the fire department. And first I guess I got a question. The it was the $180,000 got cut for the for the software software. We're going to approve it. Is the motion to and all the meetings I sat in on, we never could find a program that was compatible. Uh this is the first time I'd heard that the money was it's always been budgeted. We could not as a department find a program that was better than what we had. I asked for the money. It was never. So uh but mayor, you talked about it. This is all in the upper ranks is where this compression deal comes along. And so I brought to you uh because we're going to deal with this. I didn't say that. Well, you you said that it's it's not the guys on the low end. It's when guys are looking at promotions. That's not what I said. Okay, that's not what I said. What I said was it's not a beginning wage issue. It is a compression issue. As soon as someone wants to take a promotion and that promotion is not attractive, wherever that is from level one to level two or from level 9 to level 10, at any point that someone looks at the next job

[3:31:15] and says, "I'm not sure I want to take that job because of pay," then you have a compression problem. And that's that's exactly how I heard it. And but I want to tell you that it does affect people on the in the in the very beginning when they're looking at this job. And it happened just last night. We made a run and when we got done, we stopped at the stripes to fill up with fuel. And a gentleman walked over two pumps, said he works in the oil field. He's a certified firefighter from Midland and also a certified EMT. and he took a job in the oil field because they paid better and he had to look out for his family first and he asked we told him that we just tested and that he wanted to apply here even though he made more money in the oil field right now this is what his calling was and he said well what does a firefighter make so forth and and we talked a little bit about it and he's going to apply what I got here is I just want to show you this is if I can this is a is the pay grid from Austin. And I don't want you to look at the numbers because the numbers are astronomical compared to what we make here. But this is the concept that we've been fighting for for years when we talk about a guy that gets on the fire department and especially now in St. Angelo because of the oil activity that a guy can say I can plan my career by looking at this pay grid. I can say in eight years this is where I could be. I could look at these different promotions and I can just drop down here and I could see roughly what I could make. It can't get any worse than this. And again, don't don't look at these numbers and say, "Wow, you're asking us to pay $81,000 to this to this fire captain." I'm not don't look at those numbers. Look at the concept and what we're this is what we're trying to do so that you can plan out your career. So, when a guy that's got less than 10 years is saying, "hm" and we have this happen and we're going to see it happen more often. guy and guy says, "I've got eight years on the department. Where could I be in 12 or 15 or where could I be out in the oil

[3:33:19] field?" This is the concept that we've been fighting for and trying to fix. And that's the idea. It's not salaries. It's about to take some of that money and try to fix this problem. In order to do that, the way this deal works is you get paid for your experience. The way we do it here, you get promoted. You're a firefighter with 15 years of experience. you get promoted to driver. Now you're just a one-year driver and you go all the way back here. So there is no incentive for a guy with 15 years of experience to ever promote. And guess what? Guy with two years as a firefighter jumps up, makes driver. That's that's what's happened back the first time we tried to do this in about 2006. We made the first attempt to fix this compression problem. All right? And we need to finish this deal. So when it when you look at this scale and the reason it costs money is because when you come down and the guy promotes he comes down he gets he each year he sees an increase or every three years or whatever it is for his experience when he gets promoted if you look at the bottom and again this is Austin I'm not saying these are the numbers we're asking for but look at the bottom rank differentials all rank differentials are 8% except captain to battalian chief which is 9% and then chiefs and so forth. All right. So when he promotes, he gets whatever percentage we come up with, you get that percentage pay raise to take on the next responsibility. And you carry all the years of experience and the pay you get for that with you. That's that's it in a nutshell. And because we've never attempted to fix that, it's going to take some money in the beginning to fix it. But it is not a salary. It is an attempt to fix this pay scale grid, this compression problem so that we can simplify it. So, this would be a great recruiting tech uh tool. This you can get on the Austin Fire Department website. They tested yesterday. They're testing 4,500 to 5,000 every time they test. And I granted it's a much bigger department. We had 73 pass the test after the physical test. We now have 44 left on the list. 44 people. That's all we got out of. Okay. And what do you need?

[3:35:25] Well, he's talking about eight, maybe 10. and after backgrounds. I don't know too what we think. That's my whole point. That is that is proof in a nutshell that you don't have a beginning wage problem. What you have is a compression problem. And all I'm saying is I'm very supportive of fixing the compression problem. Whether it's the way you're describing or something similar is fine with me. I'm very supportive of fixing your compression problem. What I'm not supportive of is using a a designated fee for salaries. Um, I believe that we have a responsibility to fix pay issues wherever they exist. In your world, in the street and bridge world, in the accounting and finance world, wherever it is, we have an ex we have an obligation. And it's to you and to everybody that has a compression problem. And I understand that. And here's the difference to some degree. And that the training that goes in to be a firefighter and a paramedic and as soon as they get that training here, they can go off to greener pastures everywhere else. And so we have to provide them something that says, "Hey, I can look at this and see down the road where I could be, right?" And so that's again it it's uh this is this is the goal. This is what we're trying to to get to in some form or fashion right here. It's something that we can show them the simplicity and say, "Hey, this is where you could be down the road, worst case scenario." And then as as as you give a raise, you start at the bottom and then all the numbers just adjust to fill that in. But even that is if people retire and there's a position open if I mean it's not as simple as as you're describing it. I I I was with Austin. I believe it can be that simple. Okay. I do believe it can be. Very good. Mr. Barnett or even Chief Dunn when we talk about the compression problem. Is there a price tag to that problem? What what is what what are we talking about? And this is not like Chief Barnett's deal because I am by no means a compensation expert. But the one that uh Bubba and I had worked up to fix part of these problems was just under a quarter

[3:37:26] of a million dollars on an annual basis. On an annual basis and in the price of his fire truck. Well, but again, what I'm saying to you is you need to deal with that. You also need to deal with it at the police department where you have the same compression problem. You also need to deal with it in some of your other departments. And and one would think that in a in a time, you know, what happens is when we first started in '09, the problem was the economy goes to hell and what you're really trying to do is figure out what to cut or not cut and those kinds of things. Then you go through a growth. You guys are about those of you that are on this council are about to go through a process where you have money. You have it. You've got income from hotel motel tax increases. You have income from sales tax increases. you have income from property tax increases because you're going to have more properties on the tax roles because of people coming in and buying properties and those kinds of things. So, you're going to your issues are going to be the discipline to know that you plan things appropriately, but you're going to have the money to deal with this compression problem. You're going to have the money to deal with the compression problems in other departments. So, you you're going to have the money. The issue is how do you fix the problem and do you do it in a sustainable way? I'm just not for fixing one of them and not the others. And I'm not for doing it with a designated compression on one hand or buy you a new firetruck on the other. That's what we're No. Buy him a fire truck here with designated funds. Then that frees up money in the general fund so that you can deal with his compression problem. Okay. And even if you put it's going to take money to fix the compression problem, but you're going to have to fundamentally change the way the pay system works or you will be doing this again in 78 years. Yeah. What he's what he described is exactly very clear. What he's saying is if I go out here and I'm a and I'm a fire a frontline fireman for five years and then I get to be a driver, I don't get any any money for the five years I've been on the department. I go back

[3:39:29] to become a level one driver. So if I'm making money, more money as a fifth year fireman, why would I be a a one-year a one-year driver? So that's a compression problem. And it doesn't matter where it is, and it needs to be fixed. What needs to happen? And the way he described they're doing it in Austin, he's saying there's a differential by position. So I'm in here and I'm year one and I go along and now I'm in year five as a fireman and I promote to driver. Well, there's also a 9% differential built in. So, in one of the numbers, you said 9%. So, my pay would go from where I am up 9% because I'm now a driver, but now I just keep moving along the driver scale, year six, year seven. So, I still get 3% or 2% or whatever along. And then I decide, okay, now I'm I'm going to be the next thing. I don't have to go back over here and start as year one. I just keep moving. And I understand that. And I and I do think you have a compression problem. So I I'm just saying y'all ought to be dealing with those compression problems across the board. You and and you talked about it a year a six months ago and said we understand we got issues with salaries and we've got issues with pay. Uh it's it's got to be dealt with. There's got to be a solid plan. You ought to support it when it's time. I don't think this is the time for the record. This is the very same plan that when I was with Austin in '95, it was exactly this. The numbers are a little bit different because of payraises, but it all they do is just plug them in and go. There's no sliding scale. They don't have to reconfigure that stuff. The difference in having a funding source and not having a funding source, and you talk about all the influx of monies, what happens when it goes bust? The amnless fees don't go bust. And so, that problem is fixed. If if if you implement something like this and you base it on a general fund and you don't have that steady funding source, this can't work. You're g you're go you this falls apart. And the street and bridge guys, what about them? Well, this they have their own problems, right? They just have their own problem.

[3:41:32] That was going to be my question. You know, we talk about compression at your end and we talk about compression at even the police department's end, but what what about the staff all the staff members in between? Is there a compression problem there? Well, the difference is in part with because police and fire or civil service, you go through promotions with exams and things like that, whereas in other departments, you don't do that. And I'm not saying that they're not just as important, but it is a unique situation that we deal with all the time. And that uh uh you've got guys with less experience. A supervisor doesn't promote somebody. They don't handpick. You've got the experience, you're promoting. You go through a written exam process. Mhm. How do you get those senior guys with the experience? The chief can't say, "You got 15 years. I'm going to promote you to driver." It has to be a written process. If the guys doesn't sign, if the guy doesn't sign up, the chief can't say, "Well, I'm going to pick you anyway." And I do think in those other areas under civil service, there's certain areas you got to start. At least I believe in the other areas that are non- civil service, they can actually give them a a raise. They're not tied by civil service law. Mrs. farmer. Mr. Mayor, I agree with everything that you said and every concept that you said and that is the smart business way to handle this. What where I have a problem is the compression. The gentleman's exactly right. Since 2006, we have been talking about dealing with our compression problem. Since 2006, we have been talking about dealing with the percentages of a living wage for the rest of the people that aren't firemen or policemen. We have talked. It's kind of reminds me of 1907. They've talked about a permanent water source and we still don't have it. And I guess that's my only hangup is if we could just address and say deal with the compression problem. I can support it. I have May I add I just let me let me let Mr. Baylor recap and

[3:43:37] then let me get us back on this. What what you're talking about right now is a motion that we have in play that said, I want to adopt the software and the two training center debt issues and ignore the firetruck issues for now and let that become part of a discussion at budget time and that discussion would include the compression problem and this these funds could be in play at that time. I mean that because we're not designating these funds. Uh I you know I won't be here to tell you that's the wrong way to do it. uh that you ought to just be using general fund dollars and so forth. You'll decide what you want to do then. But the motion in play is the software and the two training center debt items only. Firetruck being pushed out of it and that money being continued to being uh available for budget talks and what to do with pay at that time. Mr. Alexander, a broken fire truck will force its way into the budget. It will get there. A broken fire truck, you can see you've got a problem. It'll get funded. a broken pay scale won't it it was farmers saying that and and I'm saying the same thing. So somehow we got to force the broken pay scale into the budget coming up and so I think I don't understand this. There's a consensus amongst people that are going to be here that I don't get this at all. If you guys want this to be an important issue in a budget process, you're going to drive it as a and I'm going to try to trying to make sure it gets driven and and that what you have worked out, Chief Bun done with uh Bubba that that scale if it can be if we could if I could see it right now, we could approve it as in concept that we want it brought forward in the budget. That's what we do for months and months and then at the very end we vote yes or no. But if it can make it in there, no firetruck funded today. That that if that comes with the fire truck later at the same time, this will work. It'll come to a head. But the fact is Mr. Silvis will be here. Miss Farmer will be here. One of the two, Mr. Morrison and Mr. Hzfield will be here. There are enough people that

[3:45:39] have heard this discussion today sitting at this table, including the city manager and others. that process is going to move forward if they continue to think that's what really needs to be fixed. So there's no and we can't hold their hands to anything anyway. You can't tell a future council to move forward a recommendation. We can move forward. Uh well, we've already got the motion in a second. I was prepared to make a motion to but a motion in a second. Call for the vote. This will simply fund the software and the training center debt and leave the other money there for the future discussions at budget time. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Nay. Three to three. I'd like to make a motion that we uh accept and approve the software and the training center and at this time put the salary compression on the next council meeting or the first meeting in June. for discussion. I'll second that. So, we' be sending up a re we would send up a recommendation to the next council. This is what we figured out. Now, we've done this in November. So, we're again as a group like Mr. Morrison wants to do it. So, they have a we've worked on this and worked on this and we have thought years. I mean, there's a lot of experience here and this is what we think would be work best. And that's the first I can go for that. That's my motion. and it moves us off of high center off this and keeps it to the compression. Okay, hang on schedule. I've got to understand the motion right quick. Okay, the motion is to accept the software and the training center debt items and to ask for the compression issue to be discussed at a future agenda at the first meeting in June. Is that are we within scope? Are we okay? Future agenda. Is it all for discussion? No, I think we we can ask for first meeting. No, just the compression will all be for

[3:47:41] discussion because in my motion the other is taken care of. Discuss to discuss an agenda item and take action if necessary. It's just discussion or just discussion to make a recommendation to the next council. Well, what her motion is that we talk about compression at the next at either the next or the following June. Uh, yes. Okay. Outstanding. Long as we're okay, I'm okay. I just want to be sure. All right. I have a motion to accept the recommendation for software and the training center debt and uh to put the compression issue on the June 1st agenda. And Mr. Silvas, did you second that motion? You did. Well, she she caught me she caught me off guard. I didn't know she was going to include I wish you would have done the discussion on the compression separate and just done the first two. We can't agenda. I'll second it. That really is the same thing we just voted on. Guys, we have beat this to death. I'm not going to I'm not going to keep debating. I'm going to call for a vote. Okay. You're voting now to accept the software training center debt issues in years 1, two, and three to not fund the firetruck in years 1, two, and three, and to uh have a discussion or asking for an agenda item to talk about the compression issue on June the 1st. Okay. First meeting June. Uh the first meeting in June. Just a com just a comment. I don't know why we are supporting these expenditures. I don't have a problem wonder with compression. I think it ought to be brought forward. I think it ought to be discussed because I didn't even hear about it until today these figures and there's no way we can make a decision on anything this quickly. I don't have a problem with the discussion on the compression issues. I think it all needs to come forward and I think staff needs to look at it and in the budget cycle it can be adopted. But I am not in favor of these expenditures until

[3:49:43] the budget cycle. So, I I will vote against this, but I will make a motion to go with the compression issues at the next meeting. I think that's a wonderful idea. It needs to be out there, but I don't want to tie them together. Okay, they are tied together in this motion. So, remember that in your vote. Okay. Okay. Call for the vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Those opposed? Nay. Nay. Okay. Can I get three and three? I had the second one. Was it Mr. Alexander? Mr. Alexander Alexander with a second. Okay, Alexander said this is Let me try this one more time. Okay, I'm going to make a motion that all of these expenditures be rolled forward because the money is there. It's being collected. It's not being spent. Let's just leave it where it is. Let it continue to come in and then in the budget cycle, we will put it in the appropriate spot that it needs to be for use. But at the next council meeting, I think we ought to discuss the compression issues that the firemen have brought up so the staff can get an idea of what they want and then we can make a decision. Second. Okay. This was to postpone all of this and to have a future agenda item. And so it seems like to me I keep under I keep not understanding why we're allowing a vote on a future agenda item now. But anyway, I got it. Okay. A motion and a second to not fund any of this now and to then talk about u compression on the and it's really a future agenda item as well on the June 1st agenda. Okay. So I call for that vote. All those in favor please say I. I. Those opposed. Nay. All right. Let's table a whole discussion to the next meeting. Put Vamman up here with us. We'll have seven. We won't have ties. And I will second that. I need this needs to be deferred to the next meeting. That's my motion. Excuse me.

[3:51:44] Names. Did you vote? Votes. I or nay. The last vote three eyes. Okay. Too many three votes. Let's wait till you've got seven on the council. That way something can be decided. Okay. I will table item number 19, item 19 C uh for discussion at another council meeting. Move on then to item number 21. Can we not equ Well, we like one item 20. 20 was tabled tabled at the beginning. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. 20 was tabled. All we like is 21. I'll be brief. Although there are two items for item 21, the information is directly relevant to both. So I'll kind of be giving you just a singular presentation um with the background of what we've done. we can get into more detail, but it sounds like a lot of the concern is based upon the um duties before the combination versus after. And so I've um just done a quick chart to show you what some of those things are. I brought this brought this asked this to come forward. So let me really tell you what my issues are. Please do go ahead. And to me when it when we did more further discussion we realized that there was not a problem of uh meeting attendance and and it was that was all resolved and so that was a good topic. Okay. I'm happy on that side. So I'm not not in disagreement with that. The the issue that I had was really I guess it was the boundaries of what was the of the uh yeah boundaries the expansion of the expansion of the boundaries. That's that's really the problem that I've got because I uh the discussion that I'd like to have is having the river corridor one and then you can have the

[3:53:48] historic whatever uh have overview over over the the entire area but I don't want it as river corridor. Okay. It's my point. Okay. So where was the river corridors boundaries before the change? The map that you have here, the area in red with the blue border is the expansion area that you added back in August of 2012. What do we need to do to re to reduce that so that the downtown uh port the historic preservation portion of this has that but the river corridor does not have that pink area. Okay. um the historic preservation part of it is only going to apply even now to properties that have the historic overlay zone. So changing modifying this doesn't affect that anyway in order to um restore I guess would be the best word the original boundaries of the corridor we would need to do that through an ordinance and so we would need to prepare and bring to you um and have upon two readings an ordinance revision that would mimic we would pull out the original ordinance essentially. What would the roles of the design and historic review committee be for it would they would have no role unless the property had a historic overlay designation. So the only thing that what the rules and regulations that we expanded to that territory was via the river corridor. Correct. And this may help a little bit. Um this lays out the before and after of what the duties of this group were. And so the original historic preservation commission had two functions. One was to confer the designation, the historic overlay, and the second was to hear requests for what we call a certificate of appropriateness, which is to take an already designated property and make some changes to the building. After with this combination, that is still the only two powers of a historic nature that

[3:55:51] this group has. So that is consistent and moving these boundaries would not affect that in any way. Now what it would affect would be these other duties. Uh before the river corridor had essentially seven different types of requests that were required to go through them and now uh only two of those remain. And so those requests would only be required to go before this board in the original corridor if you revise the boundaries. And I hope that that makes some sense. Okay. So, it's a question of whether we're basically going to I mean, it sounds like what and forgive me, I don't know what conversation you might have had or thought process you've gone through, but it sounds like you're saying let's just simply undo the expansion, but if I'm not understanding that there's more to it, please please correct me. Well, that that's No, it's really that it's that you can look at the green area that's there now and it's logical that a river corridor commission would have something to say about what happens in that space. Sure, I understand. You can take a look up there where it says East College Avenue crosses South Chadburn and you got to wonder what the River Corridor Commission has to do with that. Well, um, in looking back through and preparing for this, um, there was a resolution, you may remember, from downtown St. Angelo that recom made this recommendation and in their resolution they talk about um these boundaries uh would ensure the consistent application of design standards in the historic district similar to those enjoyed by the river corridor and therefore promote economic development of downtown. Um so that was their suggestion to we think the practical the practical the that the unintended consequence and the practical outcome is that it's doing the opposite. It's making it harder for

[3:57:55] people to do business downtown instead of easier. So honorous. It's more honorous. And so I I would like to see us move forward on okay the ordinance that takes the boundaries back to where they were. So anyway, we need this is a discussion item. U well it says possible action, but I'm not so sure that we really are doing anything except just give us the direction to write that amendment essentially. Are you guys on this? I'm still unclear why I mean what what is the underlying reason for that? I mean is or are they tying these businesses hand? Here's here's the the theory the concept of why expanding that area because you've got all these old buildings. You got to and as far as the development and they're wanting a consistency and where it all kind of blends and matches. So again, in theory, it's a good idea and that's why I think it it went the way it did. In reality, there are some pretty stringent and sticky rules in related to the river corridor. Meaning, and I'll give this example that I can't post this up because now it's a sign. I have to go down to the permits and inspection and get a permit for that, which is under the words ludicrous. Okay. So, that was the first phone call I got was I have to get a permit for a sign this size. So, and and I'm serious. And that that's ownorous on staff also. I mean, when we talk about enforcement and talking about adapting to a what could be a booming economy in a in an uh function that will really bear a lot of the brunt of that enforcement of uh we we want to make sure that this is a priority. Uh if if that's what we want them to enforce because they're already

[3:59:57] under a burden and that burden is growing so it's ownorous for occupants of these facilities. Well, then if if I may be so bold as to make this suggestion, it sounds like the problem is not just the boundaries. It sounds like in addition to that, perhaps that section of the ordinance should be examined some of the rules perhaps, right? And we could do those simultaneous. That's what I wanted to hear because yeah, I'm and of course it doesn't affect me, but now I'm I'm getting this other side of it that hey, maybe those rules need to be looked at even more stringent because if they're tying his hands or anybody else's uh business owners downtown, then I have a I have a concern with it. But I mean, you solve the problem just by restricting them back to their previous spot, too. But you would think they would want to be a part of this historic. Why do you want the river corridor to be part of something they can't even see from the river? I mean, well, again, I I think the intentions were good, which was to create co you know, this happens elsewhere, too. you there are there are issues up on closer to 19th 23rd where you can't do things up there that would be good for the the re revitalization of that area for investment in that area but you have a a a group with a a notion of what things need to look like and they have too much power just fine tuning I could go with that direction of pulling it back I just think you ought to pull it park. AJ, how far south does that river corridor boundary go? This is going to continue around um and it will go as far west as the uh western side of North Bryant. I'm sorry. How far south? Oh, I'm sorry. This section here, it's about two blocks off of the map here. U do we know what that southern boundary is? Is that Washington? Not off of the top of my head. I don't. I believe it was Washington. And I I

[4:02:02] have no problem with pull pulling it back, but I want you AJ, if you would, if there are any other folks that this is affected by, I'm talking about the rules being too stringent, then I I I'd like to know that. Well, I think I think that the rules for this group are not as stringent as everyone makes them out to be. I think the definition of what is assigned and requires permitting is perhaps what is stringent. This commission has guidelines that are already written in the form of the river corridor master plan which anybody can pull up and see if their plans fit into that and it's very easy to do. They're very loosely written. So the the calls that we get are not really about those things. Most people understand and say, "Yeah, this is an important part of town and we need to be mindful of how we blend into the area." But what requires uh consideration as a sign is what we get the calls about. Well, there's a lot more to it than that. You can't build a building without being told from the river. I can see that it's the back of the building. It's not what shows on the street on the other side. But I don't want that made out of metal. I want it to be brick like the front of the building. That's exactly what they've said to some people. So that is that's not surprising. That isn't a document that you can pull up online and you can read through what's encouraged. That's not the group just choosing things. So setting up the purview of where they can say that and restricting it to an area that's close to the river is a hell of a good idea. It doesn't need to be everything they can see and some things they can't see. I mean they're too I know I'm I'm debating up here, not with you. But but I'm pointing out that that's why I feel so strongly about it. They are very controlling about what happens and it keeps people from investing money and I don't like that. Even even they're they're controlling to the point of they'll tell me what the front of my store would look like or can look like. I I I think we have to be accurate about

[4:04:05] this. When you make a an application to this group, you will turn in renderings and and samples of what you're planning to do and staff will look at a plan document and say, "Does this meet or does this not meet what this plan states?" Just like we do to you about the comprehensive plan. You ultimately can now this debating different, Miss Fiverr, because I'm the example I gave you of metal versus brick isn't out of the air. It is a a project. It happened. Well, and I'm not saying it didn't happen. What I'm saying is those fundamental concepts are in a planning document. They shouldn't be any surprise to anyone. We make that available and say correct. But the point is this is the document only. They're associated with the description he's saying is because we expanded the borders. I and I completely understand that. I So that's all we're saying is that bring the borders. To be fair, I need to defend that group as being more than arbitrary. I don't know that they would particularly like that. I'm not really saying they're arbitrary. I'm saying they have too much scope. One thing I'd like to add is this change was made uh late last calendar year and uh we're just now Kendall has been a few weeks since we started getting phone calls. Uh I think that our planning staff and and probably the one who's tagged with enforcement is Al Torres has been working very gently since then. He started with some letters. He made some personal contact and very gently trying to implement the change that was necessary and and of course AJ was very supportive of him but uh I think they did a good job of trying to gently implement the change and ultimately the change has is uh achieved this ownorous uh label and so we're probably looking at another change to roll it back but I do think for uh for it to to uh have been implemented so gently that we didn't get more of this attention sooner. I think is a testament to the the gentleness, the tenderness that staff tried to use

[4:06:09] in Mr. Fabber. Also, let me say let me see if council supports this in consensus or not, but you said you thought there might be problem with another ordinance uh that's causing grief. I I would say that this council at least would support you bringing anything to the council that you think is the reduction of regulation where you're saying, "I think that's causing too much grief. We want we think you guys ought to consider rolling that back, redefining what a sign is so we quit having to permit that." You should feel free to bring that unrelated to this issue, okay? And and bring it bring it in here. I just didn't want you to change this area and and not overlook the fact that you may still get some calls from people specific 702. But but I'm just, you know, I'm just saying to you if there's something that you think, hey, this is causing a lot of grief, we'd like to broaden that language and make it less specific because we're having to enforce something that seems not such a big deal. By golly, bring it to us and let us make your enforcement life easier. And possibly the sign ordinance could be looked at. So there's another one of the problems. Okay. Okay. I think you've got direction. I think so. And you can take all the pins out of the quill or cushion or whatever if you feel like I was throwing them at you. So you're clear. Okay. All right. I didn't mean to kill the messenger if I did. I wondered she got that pin cushion on her desk and it's got Alvin on it. It just occurred to me why it's yeah all the other I have a Michael too. All right. There's a followup and administrative issues uh item. So we are we covered one future agenda item or and then there's a presentation of and possible action on there's nothing for 22 on matters related to the potential runoff election. So would you like to walk us through that? Yes sir. Okay. I what basically what I did is a calendar for the the runoff. It's no longer potential. Let me get there. I wanted to um advise

[4:08:15] the council as well as the public that we will have the runoff election on June 15th. Um early voting will begin on June 3rd through the 11th and there will not be Saturday voting. I want to make that clear. Um on the 21st of June of June, the ballot early voting ballot board will meet to count the ballots received from outside the US as well as provisional ballots. And then um and this is where I need your um information or your uh input as to when to canvas the votes for the runoff election. I have until June 26th, which is a Wednesday. I tenatively scheduled it for June 25th. So your call on this one. I did also include the uh state statutes as regards to the um process and the procedure and the statutory requirements that we have to go through in order for this process. So if you have any questions. Okay. Um I'm available on the 25th which is that Tuesday. Then we have council on the 4th, council on the 18th. Uh the vote is held on the 15th and the canvasing would be done on the 25th is what she's saying. So can the 25th work? Uh Mr. Silvas, June 25th. June 25th is a Tuesday. Yes, Miss Farmer. No. Okay. Can the If it's over with by noon, maybe. Oh, it would be Really? I only need two individuals to canvas. It should be just It should be very quick actually. Okay. On vacation. 25th that morning. Okay. Um Mr. Hzfeld. Yes. Okay. And Mr. Morrison, he won't say when and Okay. Outstanding. Okay. The 25th is the day and 9:00 in the morning so we can

[4:10:18] get done and let Miss Farmer go on vacation. Okay. We'll do. Okay. Okay. Can we do it in the afternoon? What else? About 3:00. Okay. What What else do we have on uh item? What else do you have on 23? Ma'am, that is it. That is the only thing I just wanted to advise as far as the early voting. But I do have another question. June the 3rd through the 11th. Correct. But not on Saturday. Not on Saturday. Um part of this is deciding whether to leave the um early voting branch locations if we council would like to use these locations. Normally the turnout for these locations is generally low. I recommend that we leave things consistent. So because the public is used to having the branch locations, just know that it is an additional cost. It's anywhere between if we use all five of the locations, it's $10,000. If we cut down to one using the main location, it's $2,000. So, the runoff election could cost anywhere between 23 to 33,000. Okay. Did y'all understand her request? Do you want to cut down to Ed Keys only? Is that what I heard? Yes, sir. During early voting on early voting, that's her question. Do you want to do you want to have the five different places like it was Plaza del Soul and some others, but do you want five locations for early voting or just Edby Keys uh for early voting? Five. Just Edby Keys. Five. Ed Keys. Edby Keys. Do you have any sense of the per the percent of the vote that was at Edby Keys this time? Half. I can just tell you that from the phone calls that I received on election day that people had gone to two or three places and had been turned away and they couldn't get a clear idea of where they were supposed to vote. They're quite upset. So Edb Keys has been there forever. Everybody knows that it's

[4:12:20] there. It's an important runoff election and I think the one place would simplify it for most of the citizens. Well, this is not election day, right? This is early voting, right? This is early voting only. Early voting. Early voting. Seven days of early voting. If they showed up at some satellite early voting place, they'll show up and and nothing nobody will be there. And not only that, if if you decide not to use the early voting branch locations, we're going to put, you know, posters on the door or wherever to inform or redirect the voter to go to downtown. What What are the dates for the early voting? June 3rd through the 11th, not including Saturday or Sunday. starts on a Monday, ends on the following Tuesday. Yeah. I used to believe in saving money, but when we had a 58% drop in participation, I don't believe that anymore. Keys, we blew it. We frustrated a lot of voters on this last election. And I'm afraid if we take after using all of the early voting locations, if we go to one this time, then we're getting away from the consistent pattern that we had, and I think we're going to frustrate them even more. Five. Five. Five. Five. Use five locations. Five. Five. One. One. Five. Use 05. Pay $33,000. Let's move on. Okay. Item number 24. I have a vote here uh for a Fort Koncho Museum board member brought forth by single member district 2 uh for Martha King to take over an unexpired term that would end in January of 2014. Uh can I get a motion to accept that? Motion to accept. Second. Okay. I have a motion and a second. Call for that vote. All those in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Now, we need to look at any announcements and consideration of future agenda items. I have three. There isn't uh the item uh

[4:14:24] DJ that AJ uh presented. There was no public comment and I believe there is someone here. Oh, thanks for catching me on that. I think because I uh Miss Favre, you're talking about the river corridor, right? Okay, let me make sure I go. It's not her fault. No, it's my fault. That's it. That's I'm actually what y'all pay me the big dollars for and I dropped the ball. Uh come on up. This is concerning the river corridor commission. Yeah, I just want to make a couple of points. One was that and I wasn't privy to this discussion prior to that. Introduce yourself, D. I'm sorry. D Velasquez, downtown executive director for St. Angelo and uh the the point when the consolidation of those two river corridor and the design was to eliminate uh the two different separate organizations having to or for anyone who was doing business or working in that district. e either one of those districts or either one of those areas of concern was to consolidate them and have one so that they could attend one meeting and get everything done. That was the purpose of that. Uh I'm not sure about the expan well the expansion occurred because you were consolidating two different groups. Um what downtown St. Angelo's mission and goal has been as part of the Texas Historical Commission Main Street program is to help ident uh set standards uh not to make it more difficult but to set standards that will support uh economic development, growth, historic uh cultural uh and that's that was the whole purpose behind that. not not to take over and power. No, no, no, no. And as was said earlier, please understand, as I said, it made sense. Theoretically made sense. We just

[4:16:26] think that the unintended consequence or practical outcome was kind of an it went the opposite direction. It actually well, and you know, I I I'll just bring this up here. Recently, we've had trailers move into the downtown area. And I know that from previous council meetings, there's been discussion because of the client shell uh efforts and what could happen if you bring man camps into certain areas of downtown. Well, we're seeing some of that downtown right now. uh which unfortunately uh the borders weren't wide enough to capture those trailers being moved into into really what is considered the main street downtown uh demographics. So uh I I you know I think there needs to be a review of that. There is a review of that. Um it's on a different track but there's a review about you're talking about a recreational vehicle. No, I'm talking about trainers. I to be more clear. I'm not sure what a trailer a trailer or a portable building an industrial commercialized portable building has been set up on Irving Street between Avenue A and B. Uh which is outside of the his of either one of those commissions if they were two separate ones. Neither one of those were not. I understand you. And so, uh, that's a concern. And, uh, I'm assuming then it was consistent with whatever zoning and consistent with whatever. Sure. Uh, yes, it it is allowed under the zoning. However, it was about half a block outside of the river corridor. Um, which would have required approval to move any of those buildings onto the property by the river corridor. I'm sorry. Okay. The design and historic review commission. Thanks. Okay. Okay. So, I'm that's the point the point I'm making though is that um there are issues that can be resolved through these through this commission through the design and historic and not to breaking them up or

[4:18:28] to decrease. In fact, I'm I'm asking that we increase the overlays so that we are being more diligent in terms of what we're trying to accomplish. Okay. Okay. I suggest you wait until after July. Yeah, I think so. All right. Thanks. But I wanted to just make that comment. Okay. Thank you. Other announcements or consideration of future agenda items? Yes, ma'am. Miss Farmer. Uh I need a follow up with an update from Mr. We still on the river project and also I'd like to have uh for the council to review the custodes and financials that were provided in our packets. I have several questions in those. So I'd like to see that on the next meeting if you don't mind. And then the next thing I would like is an update or to share or possibly they're wanting you closer to your mic. It's not even on. Uh sorry. Do you want me to repeat all that? I I don't know. Mr. I got another um the uh permit process for special events, group events in the downtown area. Uh I received numerous phone calls Saturday about the crowds and uh the amount of alcohol that was flowing from early morning till late at night and the uh I saw for myself the uh highly intoxicated folks trying to maneuver the streets by walking and wasn't even safe. but uh who governs or oversees that alcohol, that drinking that's going on, and if people are bringing their own, I really would like some information. But at last Saturday's event, the number of phone calls because of a an adjoining business, say the Masonic Lodge next door, that's who started calling. Uh their lawn was parked on by various barbecue trailers, several barbecue trailers and trailers and tents and setups and that they even took their water hoses, the bar the people with the

[4:20:30] barbecue pits, and attached it to the building to run their water for their area and the barbecue pits. then this this is not acceptable and the part street being blocked off. I received two complaints for people trying to go down to do early voting and it was two blocks away, you know, from the early voting where the streets were blocked and it just how's the permit process done? Who issues these and who coordinates what all is going on because there was a lot of activity and I saw no police presence. So, are these individuals getting permits? I I want to know are they supposed to provide police presence security? if you could update all of us or at least me. M Farmer, I know that the police have talked in recent years about uh downtown becoming more and more busy and that that's creating an increasing burden for them and they're attempting to adapt to that and I think their input for for the downtown area in general and special events probably is appropriate. They are okay working that issue. Thank you. Other items. Other items. Yes, Mr. Morrison. And Jim Turner brought this up earlier in the meeting about the Kosa TX website in the St. Angelo texas. us and he doesn't agree with that and I agree with him. So, we need to put that on next agenda and let Bman itself worry with it. Mr. So, the last thing I have, and let me preface it by saying it has no kind of, uh, undertone lining of anything, okay? It's just more people interested in jobs, uh, mayor. And I know that, uh, the client shell is coming upon us and folks, sure, they're going out in the oil field and all that, but there's folks interested in what's being brought to the city and folks looking for jobs. So the medhab idea if where we are I asked for it to be on the agenda and it wasn't but folks looking for jobs you know so that you know that's been

[4:22:32] brought up to my attention I didn't see it on here so whatever take a look at the kosa DC paperwork that was sent out and and I did not and I apologize but okay but no that's fine with me I don't mind at all but the uh it's been brought up multiple times in the election and so that you know it is what it is the the issue uh if you look if you look in the paperwork that was handed out there are no dollars uh being spent at this time there are basically four jobs um and I know a lot more than that but let's go by what what what is presented okay jobs being signed is the bottom line great motion to adjurnn second okay I have a motion and a second to adjurnn all those in favor Please say I. I. Any opposed? Okay, here we go.

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